♪♪ ♪♪ it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, the gaetz keepers. the closed meeting happening now on capitol hill. lawmakers deciding whether to release the house ethics committee report on trump's pick for attorney general, matt gaetz. but will to see the light of day with pushback from the speaker? and back in the ring. donald trump taps former wrestling executive linda mcmahon to lead the department of education. but her choice is bringing publicity to lingering charges that the wwe abused workers, including children. also, girl pow earp.

the exclusive nbc news interview with defense secretary lloyd austin striking back at donald trump's choice to succeed him. he says women should not be in combat zones. austin's forceful response to that. plus, lawyers for georgia election workers ask a judge to hold rudy giuliani in contempt for continuing to defame the women. what he could be facing coming up. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin with the house ethics committee meeting behind closed doors about whether to release that report on matt gaetz. nbc's julie tsirkin is following it for pus. what's the latest on the hill? >> reporter: well, behind me you see a huge group of reporters because we are staking out this closed door house ethics committee meeting where the top democrat on that panel, susan wild, spoke to us briefly saying she wants to see the report see the light of day. take a listen.

>> do you think that it is wrong not to radio lease the report considering the fact he has been nominated for this? does that not act in the interest of the public? >> i am not going to make a comment about that. i previously stated i think the report should be released. that's my entire comment. >> reporter: now, meanwhile the republican chairman of that panel, michael guest, also spoke to reporters upon entering the room. he said he would be inclined not to release or hesitant to release an unfinished report. that's what he is calling this multiyear investigation report from the house ethics committee, one that we reported the house speaker mike johnson strongly suggested to guest over a phone call that the committee not put out into the public space citing the fact that gaetz already resigned from the house. i came from the other side of this where matt gaetz, j.d. vance, the vice president-elect are holding meetings with skeptical senate republicans, most of whom sit on the senate judiciary committee, the first

hill for gaetz to climb in his steep confirmation battle. the reason this meeting behind me is so important is because the members of that committee, five republicans, five democrats, are gathering for the first time in full. remember they had that meeting set for friday they postponed to decide whether or not to elise this report. it's a bit of an unprecedented situation given that gaetz is a former member as of about a week ago, but many senate republicans want to see the information in that report because they will be deciding whether he gets confirmed as the top of department of justice. >> thank you for that. let's go now to donald trump's pick of former wwe executive linda mcmahon to lead the department of education. nbc's vaughn hillyard is covering the trump transition near mar-a-lago. some may not remember she served in the first administration. talk about her marching orders this time around. >> reporter: right. in the first trump administration she oversaw the small business administration and a few months ago was tapped

to be a co-chair of his transition for this go around. that is where the announcement late last night that she would take over and be nominated to be the secretary of education was head turning. number one, in large part, this is the department that donald trump has repeatedly on the campaign trail over the last year vowed to eliminate all together come 2025. of course, he would need congressional authorization to move forward with that. also linda mcmahon has very little educational experience. in 2009 she served on the connecticut board of education and she has been on the board of trustees of the private university in connecticut for a number of years. outside much that her experience has been limited on the education front to working for the american first policy institute which is the think tank organization set up by former trump administration officials. but you noted of course there is also another level of scrutiny into her potential confirmation because of a civil lawsuit filed

against her husband, vince mcmahon, in the wwe over allegations that the mcmahons, that they turned their attention away and ignored the allegations of sexual abuse of minors at wwe by an employee at wwe. and it's not just that civil lawsuit that was filed against vince mcmahon, but there is a department of justice investigation that is still ongoing into mr. mcmahon at this time and there is questions about the extent to which linda mcmahon was aware of the allegations against this employee in the extent to which they continue to employ him despite these allegations of sexual abuse of minors. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. now to an nbc news exclusive. defense secretary lloyd austin defending women in the military after the man pick today replace him questioned women in combat roles. courtney kube, i know you spoke with secretary austin there. what did he say?

>> reporter: yeah, this the first time he sat down for an interview since the election and since president-elect donald trump selected pete hegseth to be secretary austin's successor, to take over as secretary of defense. i asked about several of the policy decisions that pete hegseth has been very vocal about. one of those, his pronouncement even just in recent days that women should no longer serve in combat roles. secretary austin had some pretty forceful things to say about that. here's what he had to say. >> do you have any concerns about women in these combat roles like the ones that you mentioned when you were serving in iraq? do you have any concern that women impact readiness of these units? >> they do impact readiness. they make us better. they make us stronger and again what i have seen from our women is quite incredible. and i'm not -- this is not

hyperbole. i'm telling you what i have seen. i think as the years have gone by, our women get better and stronger. >> reporter: chris, i asked him about pete hegseth's comments that the chairman of the joint chiefs should be fired for his support of diversity initiatives in the military. secretary austin praised him saying he knew him for years, he is a competent, capable, one of the best leaders he has known in uniform. he also remember, chris, secretary austin served 40 years in uniform in the army, becoming a four-star general and he said if captain lloyd austin, so going back to his time as a junior officer in the u.s. army, if captain austin had heard an incoming secretary of defense say things like that, he would be very concerned about it. chris. >> courtney kube,

congratulations on that great sbher view and thank you for sharing it with us. now the legal rows for rudy giuliani. the georgia election workers he defamed are asking for him to be held in contempt and sanctioned. msnbc's lisa rubin is following this for us. what are the possibilities here for rudy giuliani? >> reporter: chris, what ruby freeman and shaye moss are asking for from a federal district court in d.c. is that giuliani be held in civil contempt, an appropriate sanction in the amount of a fine. they don't specify what kind of fine they think is appropriate, but they note that giuliani willingly entered into an agreement with them where he agreed he would no longer defame them and yet in two live stream episodes of his show, america's mayor live on november 12 and 14, he continued to make comments, very similar to those that led to the $148 million defamation verdict against him

last december. this is of course separate and apart from the women's enforcement efforts here in new york where they are trying to get rudy giuliani's assets to fulfill that judgment. that includes things like cars and watches, his new york apartment, which has yet to be turned over to him. this is different than that. they are simply asking for him to be fined so that he will do what he said he would, which is to stop talking about them in the ways that they know are false and defamatory, chris. >> lisa rubin, thank you. coming up, do some of trump's key choices add up to an anti-me too cabinet? we will talk about it next on msnbc. the first time you try bounce, it hits you. your laundry feels way fresher, softer. so you start to wonder. if i put a sheet of bounce on the finance guy, will it make him softer? bounce can't do it all but for better laundry, ♪ put a sheet on it with bounce. ♪ (vo) this holiday, verizon will turn your old or broken phone into a gift. anyone can trade in any phone,

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his way to naming the least racially diverse administration in the 21st century, so far at least, largely white and male. there are notable for lack of government experience and defiance of the me too movement. as peter baker points out in "the new york times," matt gaetz is accused of having sex with an underage girl, pete hegseth paid a woman who accused him of sexual assault to stay quiet. rfk jr. was accused of groping a family babysitter, critics say elon musk created a sexually charged workplace and linda mcmahon and her husband are facing a lawsuit charging they failed to stop the abuse of ring boys as young as 12 by a wwe

announcer. now, all of those people i just named deny any wrongdoing. as trump did, even as he was found liable for sexual abuse last year. i want to bring in nbc's dasha burns. also with us "washington post" senior national political correspondent and msnbc political analyst ashley parker. here in studio former communications director and spokesman for congressman hakeem jeffries and a former staffer for senator dick durbin michael hardaway. i wonder if you are hearing anything to suggest that the remaining cabinet will look any different, be any different, or do you hear any concerns about a lack of diversity and in some cases government experience? >> in short, no. that simply hasn't been the focus. it is a striking difference given that president biden's cabinet was historically diverse. here that just has not been a priority. in fact, a lot of the picks that he has made, these are people

who have railed against the idea of dei, want to go away from that as a hiring model in government, and are not really focused on diversity. it's interesting though, chris, because trump did win a larger share of black and brown voters than many republicans have in recent history, but as he was campaigning for those votes he wasn't campaigning on the idea of diversity in the way that democrats have done in the past. he was focused on an economic message and loyalty when it comes to his picks is still number one. diversity is simply not a priority. again, it's actually antithetical to their hiring practices, chris. >> dasha burns, thank you for that. michael, let's look at the numbers. trump announced picks for 16 cabinet positions. 14 are white or 87% in a country

that is about 58% white. 11 are men. that's about 69%, even though women are half of the population. what message does this send? >> he is proving a point. two things. he is proving a point that he can both nominate unqualified people as senate republicans will approve those people in a vote. he is also proving a point that he specifically wants white people in office and there is nothing you can do about it because you just gave me a mandate in his eyes. to so i think that is a point that has proven there. here is the ironic thing about this conversation with dei. most of these people are not qualified. let's have the conversation about dei and qualification because looking at the list, none of these people are qualified. >> could we also talk about what it means in terms of policy making and conversations that you have when you don't have people in the room who have any experience that might mirror the people you are trying to serve?

>> or worked in the industry. if you look at education secretary pick and many other people, they have never actually worked in that industry or done that job. >> and she was on a board, linda mcmahon was on a board and she a mom. >> yes. by the way, here is the other thing. a lot of these people are big donors. there is the stench of the swamp he is bringing in in terms of given donors who don't qualify for the jobs incredibly important positions in his administration. >> donors often get jobs usually. for lack of a better word, cushy. i know ashley you have writ been about trump's view of an america under joe biden as a kind of this dark, dystopian, dangerous place. what does it tell us that the people he is choosing to fix it, because he said he would fix it, don't in fact look like america? >> well, his argument -- first of all, it tells you that he doesn't care. surrounding himself with the cabinet or team of top advisors

who look like america is clearly not a priority for president-elect trump. when it is a priority for someone, whether it's an incoming president or a kennedy, there is certain steps you take, having covered vice president kamala harris, it was interesting to see that she had very deliberately and in a disciplined manner made a point of surrounding herself with people of color, women, women of color. this is just not something that donald trump in any way, shape or form cares about. and it also shows that he prizes loyalty above all else, and in this dark dystopian portrait of america he painted, which is not quite accurate, but that he believes, he is calling for the utmost of disruption. and so a lot of these people, while not qualified and certainly not traditional picks, his argument is that we need to burn it down. we need to drain the swamp, and these are the best people regardless of their

qualifications, regardless of the skeletons in their closet and regardless whether or not they look like the nation that they have been called to represent. >> yeah, and among them are the folks who, i guess we can call them, it defiant of me too choices, right. peter baker quotes, wrote a book about this, the me too effect. the more people he can surround himself with that are not in any way slowed down by rise to power by these kind of allegations normalizes his own behavior. . he is creating a world view. he is shifting norms as he moves. is donald trump -- and we don't know if these folks will be, you know, approved. is he creating a new normal? >> yes. what he is saying is that these people have issues, but it doesn't matter. >> it's not disqualifying. >> it's not. and i can force republicans to confirm all of these people. the point kind of this not that they have issues so they will be

problemic. i will pick them for that reason and make a point. >> do you think he was, like, in your face? >> that's what it is. that's the way that i see it. i think he is making a point where he is saying, not only do do these things not matter, but i am going to pick these people because they have issues and there is nothing you can do about it. >> i guess you could say this is one guy to change, right, you are nominating or hope to formally nominate a bunch of people who in previous administrations would have been a vetting process and i think we can say without fear of contradiction by anyone who understands the previous vetting process they would have been ruled out before it ever got to this point. but again voters did ask him for change, but is this group set up to bring the kind of change necessarily that they were asking for? does he have a different view of what that word means potentially, change? >> well, to play a wlib of devil's advocate, i don't know from my report he is necessarily

going down the list of possible picks and saying, who here has allegations of sexual misconduct against them, i'm going to choose them for that reason. in the case of pete hegseth, for instance, his team didn't know about the settlement and the allegations of this woman in part because they had no vetting process. this is the sort of thing that would come up in a really basic vetting process. while he might not be using those as pluses, these controversies, what remains true he fundamentally doesn't care about them. and when he has someone who he surrounds himself who has a scandal or a controversy, what he wants to see them do is what he has done in the past, which is to be defiant and to fight and that's one of the things he likes about these picks. that's one of the changes he is going to bring to the nation, whether or not that's exactly what voters were choosing. and there is an argument that's

not what they were choosing because a lot of voters who i talked to before they went into the voting booth, you know, talking about who they were going to do vote for, often said i don't like trump's behavior, who he is as a person, i don't like his character, but i like the economy under him, or i believe that we need change. and so some voters were voting for him in spite of that stuff. so it's interesting now that that is going to be front and center in this team that he is putting together. >> ashley parker, michael hardaway, we continue to follow the bouncing ball that is the selections. thank you bothvich. coming up, air raid sirens in the capital of ukraine just hours after the united states closed the embassy there. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. magic er. wow - where has this been my entire life? having to clean with multiple products is a hassle. trying to figure out okay - what am i going to use on the shower, what am i going to use on the bathtub? i don't have to think about that. with magic eraser... i use it on everyday messes.

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the u.s. last shut down the embassy in kyiv over a specific threat of a significant air attack from russia. ukraine launched the first strike on russian territory using american made long-range weapons just yesterday. raising fears of russian retaliation and reuters reports that vladimir putin is open to discussing a ukraine cease-fire with donald trump, but rules out any major territorial concessions according to five sources with knowledge of kremlin thinking. joining me is michael mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia and msnbc international analyst.

that last part, putin reportedly open to a deal to end the war. i mean, first of all, should we trust that? and how much leverage would ukraine have at this point to get favorable terms? >> well, putin's always been open to a deal as long as he gets everything he wants. you listen to him closely, he is prepared to take everything and get the territory that he already seized. and keep ukraine out of nato. if we capitulate and apiece him and give him everything, of course that's a deal he is willing to take. the problem is on the other side, as you rightly pointed out. will president zelenskyy capitulate. i don't think he will. i think he made very clear that he is also open to negotiations, and everybody understands my world, that there is going to be new attempt by president-elect trump to negotiate a deal, and people applaud it, by the way. they are not skeptical about it. but the devil's in the details.

and what the zelenskyy folks are worried about is that trump will just listen to putin and give him everything he wants and say, zelenskyy, you have accept these terms. >> i want to bring in nbc's keir simmons reporting from dubai. we were mentioning that with the closing of the embassy, president biden also had agreed to give ukraine anti-personnel mines, more commonly known as landmines. we learned that from a u.s. official. that undoes his own policy. so tell us more about these tensions between the u.s. and russia right now and how they are manifesting. >> reporter: well, yeah, you pick out two important signals there really. the landmines are clearly controversial. there has been, as people know, international campaign about landmines. so for the u.s. to send landmines sends a signal. one aspect of landmines, obviously, is that they help a military hold ground. so it's aiding ukraine to try to

maintain its battle lines ahead of the kind of negotiations you were talking about there. there is that aspect. and then i think with the embassy closing down today and openly saying it's because of a risk of an airstrike, they are being very clear, officials, it's not related to the changing of the nuclear doctrine by russia, but i think does show a huge amount of nervousness in washington and other western capitals. back in october 2022, there was real fears among western leaders that putin would use a tactical nuclear weapon. we know that now. we didn't know that then. and so how nervous leaders are, i think you have to read between the lines a little bit. that being said, western officials tell me that the chinese have been leaning on the kremlin not to go the nuclear route, if you want to call it that, and russian diplomats have been indicating it is a last

resort. there is keir starmer, the british prime minister and french president said this just in the past few days. there is a lot of rhetoric here from the russians. they waved the nuclear flag many times since they invaded ukraine, and some of this is to do with the kinds of negotiations we might see coming down the pipe. >> thank you very much for that, keir simmons. so, michael, what would you be watching for in terms of possible retaliation against the west? >> well, first, i have always been skeptical about this nuclear threat even at the highest moment as keir just talked about. i don't have access to secret intelligence anymore, but it's been a very effective deterrent tactic by putin and he rolls it out all the time. we say we have to worry about escalation. nobody ever covers the escalatory things that he continues to do. -that's considered war. and third, i think the idea that he will attack a nato country or

use a nuclear weapon weeks before president trump becomes the new leader of the united states, that's really irrational. why would he alienate the west at this moment when he thinks he will have somebody in the white house that he can negotiate with. so i think everybody's tying to hold their territory, as you were talking about. ukrainians want to hold what they have. the russians want to liberate the territory that the ukrainians are occupying inside russia so when the negotiations start, it's like musical chairs, right. when the music ends, you get to keep where you are sitting and everybody's trying to get ready for those moments. >> yeah, while those two sides hold, michael, i mean, you have president biden with the clock ticking, right, for his administration, and believing firmly that the united states needs to do everything it can to defend democracy and by that it means supporting ukraine. but i wonder what you make of his decisions lately, first allowing ukraine to carry out the long-range strikes and now the mines.

>> i support what the president did. these are hard decisions. with the atacms, long-range missiles, should have done that two years ago in my opinion. this war could have been different had we had a more aggressive strategy of arming the ukrainians. but right now if you are serious about peace, wars end in two ways. one side wins, or there is a stalemate on the battlefield. right now neither of those conditions are in place. so if you really want to help president-elect trump help to negotiate a deal, you need to help the ukrainians to stop russia's offensive forces. they are on the march right now, and, you know, i have known putin a long time. i will be shocked if in the moment when he is on the march, when he is gaining territory and we disarm ukraine, he says, okay, i am going to stop now. he will only stop if he is stopped on the battlefield.

that is a necessary condition for successful negotiations. >> ambassador michael mcfaul, always great to have you on the program. thank you. >> thank you. meantime, vladimir putin is sending a bit more than a message to north korea. russia transferred more than 70 animals, including an african lion, two bears and this white cockatoo to a zoo in the north korean capital of pyongyang according to the russian government today. now, this isn't the first time that putin sent animals as a gift to russia's ally, but it is yet another symbol, a public symbol, of the relationship between the two countries right now. and coming up on "chris jansing reports," the bomb cyclone wreaking havoc on the west coast. tearing down trees and knocking out power. we're live on the scene. first, the catholic church will the first millennial and digital saint. pope francis says he will canonize him in april. he was just 15 years old when he died after a battle with

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right now a once in a decade bomb cyclone is crashing trees

into houses, cars and homeless encampments in the northwest. two people are dead and 500,000 don't have power. the ominous name, bomb cyclone, comes from the speed of the impact and experts say this one escalated three times as fast. that's why some areas of washington state are feeling hurricane-force winds and san francisco's northern suburbs are bracing more for more than a month's worth of rain in four days. if that wasn't enough, the heavy winds and rain collided into whiteout conditions in the cascades, the second time a blizzard warning has been issued there in a decade. chase cain is in eureka, california. what's the scene like on the ground? >> reporter: chris, you are probably noticing a light moderate rainfall. so here in this area you might not be thinking this is going to be a big deal. it's really about the cumulative effect. they will have rain over several days here, 12 to 16 inches of rain. you mentioned a bomb cyclone. a mid latitude cyclone, a storm

we have all the time in the u.s. that intensified really quickly and then add the atmospheric river, which is like a river of moisture in the sky that's kind of dumping moisture into the storm which is what's going to let it dump so much rain over a few days. up in the mountains they are expecting in the sierra potentially more than feet of snow. all these meteorological storm came together. it will be that cumulative effect that could potentially cause mudslides the next few days. could send some rivers closer to flood stage by the time we are into friday and saturday. farther to the north as you mentioned, much greater impacts where they had hurricane-force winds. there was a wind gust offshore last night over 100 miles an hour. so some of those hurricane-force winds brought down trees, brought down power lines. unfortunately, also claimed two lives in the state of washington where they are dealing with widespread power outages from there all the way down here into northern california where there are some folks without power. caltrans is reporting there are a few trees down on roads.

defensively hazardous conditions. you have puddles of water on the road causing crashes in northern california. so california highway patrol, oregon, washington, officials telling people stay home for a few days until the storm passes through, especially into the risk of mudslides by the time we are into later thursday and friday. >> thank you for that. and here on the east coast wildfires are taking advantage of an historic dry spell. in the last 18 days in the new york city area there have been 300 brush fires, more than double the number it would normally see in a year. in that time the city has also gotten less than a 0.25 inch of rain. now it's under the first drought warning in two decades after 90 days without meaningful rainfall. here is some visual proof. this is the before and after of a major new jersey water reservoir that serves more than 1 million residents. currently half empty. joining me john valiant, author of fire weather on the front lines of a burning world.

good to have you here. look, you saw rapid change firsthand when you were living in british columbia or living in british columbia. now people here in the northeast, people i know in the new york city are living it, too. is this the new normal? >> well, it's something we can expect a lot more of, chris. dry conditions are actually nationwide. we are in the middle of or coming to the end of an historic year of drought nationwide. and then if you look at the amazon right now, water levels are historic lows. if you look at the mckenzie river in canada's far north, historic lows. so there is a drying trend driven by climate change, and the heating of the planet that is going to continue. and the northeast is really showcasing that trend at the moment. but it's going to continue, i think, through the decade and into the future. >> there was one example of some of the problems, obviously, that this is causing, the drought,

christmas tree farmer in pennsylvania told our affiliate he thinks record dry conditions this year will cause a shortage of christmas trees for years to come. again just one example. but there are arguments when the whole idea of doing something to address climate change came up, too much money, maybe it didn't even exist. but what are the long-term economic impacts we are facing beyond the destructive power of fires? >> so we need to look at the bills that these disasters cause. the damage in the northeast has been mercifully light thus far, but look at the damage of hurricanes helene and milton. already, you know, a quarter of a $1 billion in damage. the fires in northern canada have, you know, been in the billions also. then valencia, spain, inundated by devastating floods. so the tabs for these repair costs are absolutely colossal.

and i think they will prove to be much greater than early efforts and more timely efforts to try to mitigate the impact of co2 by decarbonizing as quickly as possible. those are benefits we will reap into the future if we can seize the moment. >> yeah, and people have to start somewhere, right. more than i heard certainly on our air, people in places where, for example, you see repeatedly weather disasters that have destroyed homes, upended their lives. there are tools and databases out there that insurance companies use, right, if people are looking to move, what the risk assessment is. i wonder if that concept is almost moot now because those numbers of places where you could face that kind of problem, the numbers are growing. and then where you can get insurance, a lot of people say they are being priced out of it. >> what we are seeing now is this kind of terrible

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we're injecting into our atmosphere. >> well, the name of the book is fire weather on the front lines of a burning world, an i want to thank you so much, john, for being with us at a really critical time. we appreciate you being with us. >> thank you. coming up on "chris jansing reports," today's parole hearing 30 years after a mother's murder of her two children. what we just learned about susan smith's future. plus the spacex's echl attempt to catch a rocket while vips were-watching. what happened next. appened next if you have generalized myasthenia gravis, picture what life could look like with... vyvgart hytrulo, a subcutaneous injection that takes about 30 to 90 seconds. for one thing, could it mean more time for you? vyvgart hytrulo can improve daily abilities and reduce muscle weakness with a treatment plan that's personalized to you. do not use vyvgart hytrulo

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susie wiles from prison 30 years after she shock the nation by rolling her car into a lake with her two young children inside and watched them drown. smith and her lawyer appearing virtually argued she is sorry for and what she did and she would not be a danger to anyone if she was released. but her ex-husband, david smith, disagreed in an interview with nbc's craig melvin just before that hearing. >> they can't let her out. 30 years is just not enough. this wasn't an accident. she deliberately killed michael and alex. >> you don't think she has been rehabilitated? >> i don't think she will ever be. to me she has never been sorry for what she did. >> kathy park is in columbia, south carolina, for us. susie wiles told the board today she wishes she could go back and change what happened, but tell us more about that and what else she had to say. >> reporter: yeah.

chris, good afternoon to you. so the hearing has wrapped up. we did see susie wiles virtually. she was remotely joining the hearing today and ultimately in just a matter of minutes after the testimonies and statements the board unanimously denied her parole. as you see, this is images from earlier, is she was extremely remorseful, tear. . she says she wishes should could take everything back. she says she grew up in the prison system. take a listen. >> i know what i did was horrible. and i would give anything if i could go back and change it. and i loved michael and alex with all my heart. >> reporter: and, chris, in addition to susan smith's

testimony, we also heard from her attorney saying that his client has improved during the time that she was in prison, went to through a lot of rehab programs and said she would no longer be a threat to the community. there was a reverend who spoke on her behalf, saying he wrote to her weekly and believes that she holds the grief of her actions 30 years ago. meanwhile, as you mentioned, we heard from victims, including her ex-husband david smith, and you could just see the grief. it's still visible 30 years later. he was surrounded by friends and family, also the original prosecutors in the case. all of that there, they had photos of the young boys pinned to their clothing. so, obviously, very difficult day in the courtroom today, and we should also note that the way that the law is set here in south carolina, susan smith is up for patrol two years from now. >> kathy park, thank you.

well, it's a new man offer that could have won elon musk more admiration from donald trump had it actually worked. starship's booster is supposed to catch, but it didn't. as the pair watched from the mega-rocket launchpad. jesse kirsch is following this story from miami. what happened? >> reporter: hey, yeah, we already saw this once and frankly it's a remarkable sight. last month more than 20 story tall booster from spacex, part of the starship program, was caught at the launch tower that was supposed to happen again when we saw the sixth test flight for starship yesterday. you see the takeoff there. that didn't happen. in the middle of the flight we heard on the broadcast from spacex that they were diverting and instead opted for a controlled landing into the batter. you can see the landing as it unfolds there. and so that wound up happening. they didn't meet all the criteria they needed. we heard from the spacex

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