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tonight on "the reidout." >> politics is tough. in many cases not a very nice world. you it is a nice world today. i appreciate it very much, a transition so smooth. it will be as smooth as it can get. >> smooth as in no violent mobs this time. but trump is ignoring all of the rules for the handover of power as he assembles his reality show administration, including dr. oz, the wrestling lady, the guy from the fox comfy couch weekend 'decision, and some other guy from mtv. it's all fine. plus our read out guide to navigating autocracy. how women should start preparing for the very serious challenges that await us. these next four years. but we begin tonight with the house ethics committee which met behind closed doors to discuss

what they will do about the panel's report on former florida representative matt gaetz. president-elect donald trump's pick for attorney general. at the end of the day what seems clear is that we got more republican obfuscation and delay tactics. >> if a report actually is done at this point? >> the report is not. >> it's not? so how could you believe it's not done? >> that is something that we will be talking about today. that's another reason i have reservations about releasing it. >> republicans use that excuse as a premise to delay a decision on releasing the ethics report. while the committee was deliberating, gaetz was working capitol hill to secure the votes for his confirmation. it was a mult-pronged attack from maga world. vice president-elect j.d. vance who was working to secure the

votes from his soon to be former senate colleagues, and president-elect trump was working the phones and twisting arms. co-president elon musk has been working the public via twitter, rousing the maga troll army to galvanize por for gaetz. yesterday musk tweeted that gaetz is supremely qualified because he has a big brain and an axe to grind, which is necessary for the job. and will be our hammer of justice. a number of republicans have expressed concerns about gaetz's nomination, including fox host, former congressman and former federal prosecutor trey gowdy. >> do not use the justice system as a weapon. and the message for republicans is don't do it on other side either with this absurd a.g. pick that you just made. justice is different. it is a combination of policy, law and also morality. you do not use our justice

system as a political weapon. voters rejected it in november and they are going to reject it if republicans try to do it also. some things rise above the den. the justice system is one of those things. >> charming. these past 14 days y'all have felt like trump is casting his administering like it's a reality tv show. but with this amount of effort exerted on individuals who are exceptional in their lack of qualifications you have to openly wonder what they've promised trump and what he promised them in return. what's implied here is a pseudo quid pro quo where you hire individuals who have issues that could only be resolved by a powerful king and then that king, donald trump, gets permanent loyalty and obedience in return which involves destroying any impartial federal system and twisting it in his favor and that of his favored friends and corporations.

with gaetz it's clear that trump just might get the entire republican party to wipe away any trace of a three-year investigation into allegations that gaetz, a grown man, engaged in sexual misconduct involving a 17-year-old girl, used illicit drugs and accepted improper gifts, all of which gaetz denies. but trump gets in return is a loyal soldier with an axe to grind. just yesterday trump selected linda mcmahon to head up the department of education. mcmahon, who is most famous for running the wwe, will be a leading -- will be leading an agency that all maga republicans want axed, which happens to include the end of special needs funding and federally backed student loans among other thins. mcmahon has been doing matically loyal to trump. she ran a super pac on his

behalf and co-chaired his transition team. her husband, vince mcmahon and the wwe, are currently being sued for fostering a culture of sexual abuse within the organization and looking the other way while a long-time ringside announcer preyed on young men he hired. claims they deny. her husband was forced to resign from the wwe because he is accused of sex trafficking by a former wwe staffer that he paid to keep quiet, which he also denies. isn't it interesting? she is in good standing with a guy who has pardon power? like most of you, i tend to think that this looks like an insane reality tv spectacle. but this isn't comical. it's the sort of hair brand comedic look that they want you to focus on. and while you are distracted by the spectacle, they want you to lose sight of the fact that all

of these people will have tremendous power with no actual qualitative experience, which could lead to massive corruption and the destruction of everything we've known for decades about what the federal government actually does. and the only people standing in the way are career civil servants who have no interest in facilitating this unbridled scorched earth vengeance led by incompetent people, which explains why according to multiple sources who spoke with politico and "the washington post" donald trump is expected to announce that russ vought, a key author of project 2025 will once again lead the office of management and budget as he did in trump's first administration. nbc has not confirmed that reporting. vought, who once said he wants, quote, bureaucrats to be traumatically affected is a self-proclaimed christian nationalist pushing a

post-constitutional vision for the second trump administration, which includes this novel theory that congress doesn't have complete control of our spending and that a president can circumvent their power of the purse. vought will now be able to enact key aspects of project 2025, which includes decimating the federal government and bleeding it of any non-partisan civil servants. trump and his deputies will have nobody standing in their way. vought joins folks like "wrestlemania" mcmahon, tv dr. mehmet oz, real world boston cast member and former wisconsin congressman sean duffy, fox regulars pete hegseth and matthew whitaker in a real-life version of an "american horror story." joining me now is congressman eric swalwell of california, ceo of the seneca project and former republican communications director, and the dean of the

columbia university school of journalism and an msnbc contributor. thank you all. i want to a apologize to the congressman. i always start with a member, but i want to come to the table for a moment. this assemblage, i want to put it up, it is part reality show, pete hegseth who comes from tv, matt gaetz who has been entertaining maga in congress, robert f. kennedy jr. an anti-vaxxer sort of, you know, iconoclast who is just out there as a rich kennedy who does his own thing, sean duffy, dr. oz, linda mcmahon, and and on and on. they will be leading departments that include three million people at department of defense, 116,000 people at the department of justice, 4,000 people at the department of education, 55,000 people at the department of transportation, 91,000 people at the department of health and human services, tens of thousands of people, and it strikes me if your goal is to deconstruct the administrative state you want a lot of these people to quit because i'm like

a scientist, i am not reporting to dr. oz or rfk jr. i am a civil servant. i believe in the justice department. i ain't reporting to matt gaetz. maybe pushing people out is a way to start this deconstruction of the administrative state. as journalists we have to deal with this going forward. >> this is possible. i want to give a biographical note. many years ago when i was an undergrad student at howard university i had a work study job at the department of education. and what that did was put me in contact with a lot of people who were career civil servants. i worked there several years while i was an undergrad. and what you get to know about that community is that they serve a very important function. people recognize that you cannot have the entire government change over every four years because you lose basic competency. people don't know where the staplers are, how to get anything done.

so you need a non-partisan group of people who are aligned in interests with that particular agency, that particular bureau, whatever it is that they do, and what they do is provide a kind of transition, whether you are a republican or a democrat. you are going to have a floor level of competent people who understand how to make these things operate. they generally take pride in the fact that they equally serve democratic and republican administrations. >> yeah. >> so when you get rid of that, you not only -- outside of the really alarming possibility of politicizing these agencies in ways that is detrimental, that are detrimental, you also lose the basic ability for these institutions to do what they are supposed to do. that should be the real question that people are asking about this. not simply who is in charge. not simply who is going to exit. who people are going to then

bring in to replace those people. >> if they bring in anyone at all. part of the idea is to make it not function, right. elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, who are going to head -- a made-up agency. usually congress creates agencies. they are just going to do it. rules and regulations promulgated by unelected bureaucrats, tens of thousands each year. most government enforcement discussions and discretionary expenditures aren't made by the president but millions of unelected civil servants in government agencies who view themselves immune. congressman those will be gone and they will now be reporting to someone who in the department of education, let's start there, they get to cut that department, right. these two unelected bureaucrats, two rich guys, two, you know, rich dudes who aren't elected get to cut, because donald trump said so, and the department of education will be led by lipd

lindbergh. she incorrectly claimed into 2009 she had a bachelor's in education. she said she thought she had a degree in education because she did a semester of student teaching. she will be the boss. they cut the budget. is that how congress -- is that how our laws and things are supposed to be made, congressman? >> no. absolutely not. also, quite comical that the department of government efficiency is run by two people, that that's one of my favorite parts of all of this. it will take two people to be more efficient. but stepping back here, this cast of characters, this very, you know, sea level cast of characters very much feels like a tv show. and that's great. when we are done, my wife and i will binge lincoln lawyer and shrinking. but a tv show don't pay my bills, it don't keep me safe in

the neighborhood, fix the issues at our southern border, isn't going to make america strong in the world. for the millions of people who put everything into this candidate and are hoping that he is going to address what they voted on, this isn't going to help them at all. so i actually feel quite bad, you know, for the people that believe donald trump was going to take their issues seriously. but also by putting so much many other multi-millionaires and billionaires in power, one thing is clear. the republicans are for the rich and democrats are for the rest of us and we have to hammer that home every single day. >> tara, i think part of the challenge is that most americans, and, you know, not their fault, we don't teach it well in school, don't know anything about civics. it's easy to say they are a waste of money, we don't need anyone at the department of education until your special needs kid needs help and you find out they eliminated that person because that person is not loyal to donald trump and

then your state doesn't have the funding to help your special needs kid or you said we need to get rid of obamacare until you need a doctor and you find out the hospitals all closed. the lesson will be painful for people who voted for donald trump thinking the money tree was going to rain on a them. the money train is going to rain on elon musk, vivek ramaswamy, the bitcoin guy who they replaced tarek brown with in ohio, the money country's gonna rain, let's be clear, just not on trump's voters. your thoughts? >> that's the sad part about this. the people who thought they were voting for change so their affordability would be better and that their life would be better and the change, this isn't what they -- i don't believe this is what they voted for. the magas, this is what they voted for because they get it, that's what they had want, that's part of the cult. the other folks want to be able to afford to put our kids through school and pay our mortgage and hope gas prices come down, i don't think that

they realized that this is what they were empowering when they did it. so unfortunately now the rest of us, the entire country has too pay the price. and when we look at this now there is no going back. we can't change it. this is what we're stuck with. we are stuck with people -- and i have continued to is say this -- it is a cross between "the celebrity apprentice" and "the hunger games" because you are demonizing expertise and dumbing down important really critically important institution like our department of defense and intelligence and the doj doj because donald trump has an axe to grind. this has nothing to go with improving americans' lives, nothing to do with making america great again, whatever that means. this is about donald trump's personal beef. then it's all about enriching his friends. the tech bros, crypto bros and people with sfeefr dreams of reimagine the government in a way that looks nothing like a democracy. it doesn't. and that's the scary part.

like you mentioned, most people, we don't teach civics anymore. you expect them to fight for system of government they don't understand why it matters to them. i think that's our job now as those of us who are fit fighting to preserve this and warning -- we have been warning for years. now we have to live with this reality and we really need to make it clear that donald trump does not have a mandate, okay? they need to stop that. he got less than 50% of the popular vote. there are a lot more people out there who are not okay with what donald trump is trying to do. maybe they weren't engaged before. god knows why not. but they weren't. now they have to pay attention because we are all going to suffer through this together. and what's not let the elected republicans in charge skirt their responsibilities to the constitution. either we are a constitutional republic or we're not. either we are pledging fealty to donald trump and his insanity and his malignant narcissism at

the expense of our detective republic or we are not. so the republican senators who can stop this who can actually advise and consent if they say no, then they should say no. if they know that these people are not qualified, besides the fact that they are morally bankrupt, right? character doesn't matter anymore. that's a dangerous path also. when character doesn't matter. who sexually assaulting women doesn't matter. you know, i mean, matt gaetz, he couldn't get shall de wouldn't be able to qualify to be a bus driver nevermind the attorney general and you have republican senators saying, oh, let me think about it. we need to hold their feet to the fire because as of right now they answer to the american people and long-there are elect coming up for now. >> for now. there will be painful lessons learned. and i would not hold my breath waiting for any of those republicans to do what you just said. we will hold all three of our guests. don't go anywhere because you are particular city counciling

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back with me are congressman eric swalwel; tara and jelani. i want to play for you some sound bide pete hegseth tapped to be the secretary of defense replacing a four-star general he is from tv.

i want you to listen to what he says he would like to do. this is not new sound, something he said he would like to do. here he is. >> actually we draw out in the last part of the book what an educational insurgency would luke like. in afghanistan, the phases that mao wrote about. we are in middle phase one now, effectively a tactical retreat, you regroup, consolidate and reorganize. you build your army underground with the opportunity later on of taking offensive operations in an overt way and, obviously, all of this is metaphorical and all that good stuff. >> this was on monday on a podcast. he is saying this tactical retreat right now, he wants to build an educational insurgency. christian nationalist educational insurgency. that's why you break government. if the government is no longer functioning you can build whatever you want on the ashes.

>> those are a lot of big words that he used which i think are -- and i think he is trying to sound smart. that what he is saying is that he is going to deconstruct government, put in a far-right extreme movement. it's almost not deconstructing. it's anti-government. he is opposed to his own government. there is nothing to me that is a bigger betrayal of our flag, constitution, the fledge of allegiance that we all take. these are the people who this he have put in. and the problem is the service member needs to know that the person who is going to make the call for them to go into battle, to defend our country is putting country first. you don't see that with pete hegseth. the law enforcement officer and the prosecutor when they make a decision to indict somebody that the individual leading the department of justice is credible and putting the country first.

you don't see that in matt gaetz. that's the issue with many of these nominees is they are not going to have credibility with the people who need to serve under them and they are not going to have credibility from the american people who need to buy into what our defense forces are doing or law enforcement are doing. frankly, joy, if you want to know the truth, when i talk to colleagues at the congressional gym, when i talk in line at the dunkin' donuts in the long worth building they are laughing at these nominees. they think it's a joke. they are embarrassed. i am embarrassed for the american people who thought that bringing donald trump into power was going to serve them. it's just serving him. >> and by the way, i came back from overseas, and i was receiving something that i -- i am not used to receiving as a blue passport person, that is pity. people pitying us. looking at the nominees -- you know finding out sort of when the wifi was working here and there what was happening and people are like, seriously, dr.

oz? seriously? we look to the world like a joke. and i think the congressman is exactly right because i hear the same thing from overseas friends and relatives. we were talking about the idea of breaking government. why do we need government continuity? why would breaking it serve somebody who wants to be an autocrat? >> here is the thing. with government the kind of paradox here is that you don't notice when government works. like, if you drive on a road with our federally funded high highways, drive on the road and there are no potholes, you don't pay attention to that. you only notice when there is a pothole and that becomes the basis of a kind of critique and argument and so on. with government, like most of us don't know that when you go to the super bowl or go to the world series or some huge concert that there are people from the kept of energy scanning to make sure that there isn't a radiation signature that would suggest that someone has a dirty

bomb there, or that we have the fda and, you know, all of the examinations that we have before drugs get to the market. or how rarely people get food-borne illnesses because we have a fairly robust system, federal system of food inspection. >> right. >> all of these things are done. when we kind of say do we want to destroy the administrative state, you know, we want to replace like all the people and bring them in and with our own folk, what you lose is the ability to carry out those essential functions. and so when people say you want to get rid of government, they make a point of not telling you all the things that government does. >> right. and when your social security check doesn't come on time, you needed it, and terra, there is this sort of back and forth, j.d. vance getting in little fights back and forth, deleting tweets about whether or not republicans should be rushing

back to stop president biden's judicial nominees. the expectations i is that the senators may quibble. but whether or not they complain in the senate gym and they are as open about laughing, they are going to confirm these people. so the american people are going to be left with a clown carafe cabinet that can't make the government work and then realize that that is what they voted for. >> yeah. i mean, with all dpu respect, like, this isn't a laughing matter. nobody should be laughing about this. this is deadly serious. >> that's right. >> people are going to lose their lives. people are going to lose their rights. women are suffering under what is looks like when women's rights are taken away. there is nothing funny about this. it's hard for me to respect the people who are like, well, this is a normal transition, we need to be respectful of it. no. because the other side doesn't respect anything about this.

they are making a concerted effort to undermine our democratic institutions. how do democracies die? they die slowly because the masses aren't paying attention to the way when things are being undercut until they notice it's too late. and we are in that posture right now. and it's really important that the people who do know what's going on, who do have levers of power still and those of us who have platforms that we explain this is what's happening and this is the only that we can push back against it, right. what is the first rule of not allowing authoritarianism is do not owe bay in advance. right? do not do that. don't acquiesce. a lot of people are doing that. republican senators are doing that. i mean, they are so craven and cowardly. they know better. they are doing it to save their own asses at the expense of the american experiment. we have to continue to hold their feet to the fire and call

it out. sometimes it's difficult. sometimes people pay a price for it. but somebody has to do that. we can't just roll over and let this corruption destroy our democracy because that's what they are trying to do so donald trump can live his authoritarian dream. people around him are smarter, they have more power, and they know -- last time was a practice run. this time it's the real deal. so we have got to make sure that we don't let -- we don't go down without a fight. >> your reminder that many, many, many of these people making these decisions in the united states senate are already very, very rich. so when the government breaks, it will not affect them at all. but it will affect you. and i can tell you that one of the things we have committed to do on this show is explain how government works so you will understand that when things start breaking, why it's breaking. it's because the government is being broken on purpose. congressman eric swalwell,

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women of america have been forced to witness not only an adjudicated sexual abuser be elected president, but to see him offer some of the highest positions in government to men who have faced accusations of their own. as "the new york times" points out, trump has selected a defense secretary and attorney general, a secretary of health and human services and an efficiency czar all of whom have been accused of variations of sexual misconduct. and like the president-elect, denied them. this is only add to the pain and peer that a lot of women have already been feeling in the aftermath of the election on top of facing online abuse and harassment with phrases like, your body my choice, and get back to the kitchen surging across social media. and with so much unknown, you probably have a lot of questions

about what a second trump administration will mean for women. what it will mean for access to reproductive care, birth control, ivf, even no fault divorce. and how to best protect yourselves through all of it. well, on this show we want to provide you with the best possible information so that you are prepared to navigate whatever comes your way. and to help us do that joining me now is maya wiley, president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. thank you for being here. let's go through these in some sort of order. the first question a lot of people are asking is should women right now be number one deleting that health app that tracks your periods and stockpiling things like plan b and even birth control pills and maybe getting an iud in advance of the trump administration coming into power? >> well, i think one thing, joy, that all women should recognize it depends on what state you're

in, first of all. i mean, we have roughly half the states of this country working and expanding protections for things like reproductive health and freedom and then we have the states that are working very hard not just to take them away and have taken them away, but also even to consider ways to criminalize not just reproductive health, but whether you get to potentially help other people get the reproductive health care they need. so i think it's really important for women to look at where they are and what their laws and protections are, and make those choices for themselves. but certainly to your point, we have so many women and girls, remember it's also young people, who are in states for which it will matter tremendously if the trump administration incoming administration does what project 2025 suggests it does, and we have every reason to believe it will, which is use the power of the executive branch to say we

don't care if it's safe. we don't care if it's tested, what the science says, we don't care that over half of women who have abortions use this medically proven safe pill to help them control their reproductive health and futures, we are we ago to say it's an absentee to mail it to other states. so for women in those places it's incredibly important and a lot much women are figuring out how to get access to it and stockpile it. but i think we have to remember that for all the women who are in states that don't have this fear and there are many, we have to consider ways in which we are providing support networks for those women who do. >> but what are the risks of, you know, the administration not only enforcing the comstock act which you described, making mifepristone illegal to mail, but enforce things like allowing prosecutions state to state. so if you're in texas and you go

to new mexico to get abortion services, when you return home to texas you get prosecuted. what is the risk that women could even if they live in a blue state that is protecting them still wind up prosecuted for helping a woman get an abortion? >> yeah, like this is a place, joy, where we can't stop fighting and women aren't and all our allies are. but here is the thing. you have gone straight to the heart of what's at stake here with weaponizing government against our people and on fundamental rights because right now in the biden administration, for instance, the department of justice said when, you know, we had with two states that have passed laws that say, oh, we're going to call it a crime if you help a minor cross the border to get an abortion without the consent of the parents. now, they are trying very hard in that instance to try to skirt around the fact that we have a lot of recognition in our case

law that you can't criminalize people crossing borders to something they have a legal right to do. they are being cute, but the department of justice said no, no, no, we as the united states government believe that is wrong and unconstitutional and we are going to get involved. so imagine now you've got whoever donald trump ends up with leading the department of justice, which will be someone who will be a yes person to anything that donald trump wants, and this is where it goes, you can imagine the federal government using its weight and resources to support the criminalization of people and women, and that is devastating. >> two other quick questions. number one, what is the risk that clarence thomas will follow through on what he said he would like to to, which is to go after the supreme court ruling that made birth control legal. in other words, returning that to the states so some states could have birth control be legal. and what do you believe is the

risk that no fault divorce will also go away as a legal option for women? >> i think what we can expect is all of the forces that are trying to impose religious belief on the bodies of women and girls to come hard for our rights. but i think here's the thing. whether or not we let them is the question. and there is so many of us who are fighting to say, no, you can't, no, you won't. and remember states matter here. because right now we have a lot of states protecting rights. we need those states to aggressively protect women in those states, but we need women in those states to be protecting the almost half of women who are latina, for example, or black who are in states that do not. and remember it's also coming for health care access, cutting medicaid. this is also about whether get basic health care. so i just think if they keep going for these fundamental rights, these basic things we have all come to expect, things

that some of the people who voted for this incoming administration don't believe is going to happen, we're going to have not just a world of hurt, we are going to have a world of anger and we are going to act. >> we will see. and i think you schaexpect the worst and hope for the best. maya wiley, thank you, my friend. next, a new report reveals that haitian migrants -- immigrants in springfield, ohio, are terrified after trump's win following a campaign where trump openly lied about and stoked violent rhetoric against them. we will talk to that reporter next. make this christmas the year you go all-in on joy. at balsam hill, celebrate with one of our beautifullly crafted, life-like trees. for a limited time during our black friday sale,

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at the tail end of trump's ludicrous campaign he put a target on the backs of haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio, by spreading a racist vicious lie that they had been eating domestic pets in the small ohio city. its residents faced bomb threats and school evacuations. many were afraid to be in public. some felt the need to follow their children to and from school tout of concern for violent retribution. since the election "rolling stone" returned to springfield to meet with members of the haitian community. they are reporting widespread panic and fear about how much trump will follow through on his promise to to deport them.

one haitian man told a reporter he is coming for us, we don't want to leave, we love this place. it is home. and joining me is that reporter, senior political reporter for "rolling stone." good to see you. talk about some of the things you have heard. i read one quote. talk about more what you heard in springfield. >> i'm currently sitting in the cincinnati, ohio, area, which is where i live, and springfield is basically in our backyard in september it became a gigantic fixture of trump's and j.d. vance and other republicans demagoguery. it's rough being an hour or so ride on the highway. and with f when we got there in september what we observed a number of days when we were there was that it was a haitian population and to a broader extent a small american city. it was ripped by this climate of fear that trump and j.d. vance had been engineering. obviously, at the time there were some haitian families that

were already considering leaving out of fear for the safety of their own children. there were some that had already left. ever since trump's re-election earlier this month, that has only increased. and i want to be very clear that most of the thousands were there and they are there legally, have not fled. but there is a dramatic uptick in the amount of fear of what trump could do if he follows through with his promise to purge these people, these young kids, families, workers who are there legally and peacefully because trump has vowed on the campaign trail if he is re-elected he will revoke or let their temporary protective status expire or he'll take it away, and then at that point he can kick all of these legally residing here in ohio families out, try to send them back to

haiti, somewhere, and we were talking to different sources who live in the community, haitian community leaders, and also individuals who don't live in springfield, but live in ohio, and visit springfield regularly because they are immigration attorneys who have been holding things like legal clinics and know your rights presentations, including one that occurred this past sunday at a church in springfield where a lot of haitians show up to ask questions such as, can trump actually do this if they come for me and deport me, what happens to my children? how can i get my chimed a u.s. passport quickly so that i don't have to make the heartbreaking decision that may involve families getting separated. it's starting to sound if i don't sound remarkably objective when i say this,s it was heartbreaking stuff to hear and it is because donald trump got re-elected. and i want to note for the audience what people would be

returning to. the latest intensification of violence in port-au-prince. at least 150 people have been killed, 90 injured, 20,000 forced to leave their homes. port-au-prince 4 million people are being hostage as gangs now control all of the main roads out of the capital. that is the situation in haiti. last question. did you also hear from business leaders, because the haitian population there, they form a lot of the workers that people need in springfield. >> no. on this trip we didn't talk to business leaders. we talked to a fairly large number of haitians, almost all of whom did not want to be quoted, definitely didn't want to be quoted on the record and show up in "rolling stone," for fear as you showed in the quote that this man may be coming for

us. donald trump and his people on topics of draconian immigration crackdown, did not get everything they want but they are coming for it. >> and j.d. vance sadly is these people's senator and he treated them that way and subjected them to this much hate and fear. it is sad and shameful. thank you for that reporting. and coming up, trump and the right are acting won a huge mandate when he didn't even gain 50% of the popular vote. more on that fallacy that we're being sold next.

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let me set the record straight. are people born wicked? or do they have wickedness thrust upon them? oh! -ah! [ laughter ] no need to respond. that was rhetorical. hm, hmm. america has given us an

unprecedented and powerful mandate. >> we just got an overwhelming mandate from the voters of this country. >> the president has won a mandate. >> president trump had a huge mandate from the american people, the popular vote, the electoral vote, they were historic. >> a president of the united states like donald trump elected with the mandate he has been given. >> you know we had historic numbers, especially for the president. >> yeah, no. we heard that word, mandate. it was thrown around a lot from donald trump and his maga allies. they would like for the american people to believe trump won in a landslide victory like nothing seen before, like the second coming of jesus. but like most claims from trump it is not true. trump won the election, but it was far closer than they would like to admit. trump has fallen below 50% in the popular vote. his margin over vice president kamala harris is under 2%.

for context it is one of the smallest margins in recent history. it is one of the smallest in the country's history. look at the victories of lyndon johnson in 1964 and richard nixon in 1972. each won more than 60% of the popular vote with margins of more than 20 points. republicans did regain control of the united states senate and now the house, it is worth noting that trump's mandate did not seem to help in four of the battleground states where trump won. in the house republicans are track to hold an historically small majority. while you will hear the word mandate a lot as trump and his sycophants try to justify running through his many unqualified and dangerous