and where it is all leaded. and if you like me are obsessed on the topic, give it a listen. have the conversation i had with matt pearce. follow the qr code on your screen. search chris hayes wherever you get your podcast. that's all in. >> i don't know why you are laughing. a long tease for the lawrence o'donell show. >> it was great and teasing it and i am like alex is sitting right there. >> is it awkward? >> bro . >> did you even watch. the bit i was going to do -- you are doing it because you are telling everybody. >> i can not let a good joke go to west. two minute stephanie ruhle tease. >> i am sure her show is going to be good. >> at 11:00. that is apointment viewing. >> rising tides sell boats. i am happy if you want to talk

about the show. >> we would love to throw our hat in the kitty. >> i will go and watch it yeah. everybody else, again, don't follow chris hayes'lead. stay with us, have a great weekend, chris. think deeply this weekend about our 22, 28 year friendship. [ laughter ] >> sit with it. >> come back with teases. >> okay. have a great weekend, buddy. >> you, too. donald trump's cabinet is taking shape and we have big news as it relates to the key positions, the president elect picked scott bessent to be treasure secretary. welly is one of trump's top donors, head head hedge fund man. and bracing what "the washington post," calls populous economics and he chose

his head of omb. management and budget. in that position, trump hopes to install architect of project 2025 russell vought. his interest in project 2025 and then choosing republican congresswoman from oregon. lori chavez-deremer. pro-act nastrengthens strengthens workers rights. the key advisory to bernie sanders and nonprofit, more perfect union. thank you for joining me.

it has been a flurry of appointments. first, treasure secretary just because there was a lot of back and forth about who he was going to pick, if it was someone trump could rely on to enact his tariff plan that has come at, with a lot of eye brow raising on a lot of economists, what do you make of someone who was once affiliated with george sorrows, and played a key role in it. part of the magafurmamant. >> elon musk opposed him. business as usual and it bankrupt the government. it was a tussle of the elon musk wing of the trump world versus scott, steve bannon. fresh out of jail advocated strongly. this was his major campaign. he had bessent come on the show. this is the guy, maga movement, he will enact our tariffs.

so much, trump looked to a third person. the highest profile person that came to mar-a-lago and talked to him. he went with bessent. steve bannon wins this one. you see it in the flurry. you can see trump doling out favors to various fractions of his coalition tonight. steve bannon got this one. >> a w on the board for steve bannon and a w for him that vought, mastermind, used, of project 2025. installed at omb. vought was there in the first term but it is obvious from the writings in project 2025 that russ vote oversaw that he had very clear, very extreme ideas about what to do next. what is your treks this one? >> with that one, alex, those

that are frequent watchers of alex wagner show. two nights ago you and i were talking about the cuts to medicaid and food stamps. that was in the first trump administration. it happened. who executed that? we saw all of the great protests, who was the architect. russell vought. he is back, he will be here for the same thing. if you look at the last budget trump produced and sent out in 2020. massive cuts, over $1.5 trillion to medicaid. it had massive cuts. even cut social security, food stamps of course. and, so you can assume that looking both at project 2025 which trump said no, no, no, it will have nothing to do with me, of course it is. he named vought, miller, homan. authors of 2025 to his administration. you can assume he will go after the things we were talking

about medicaid, food stamps, far right agenda to attack working people. >> to put a finer point on that. project 2025 stable, tom homan. carr, and. the sort of, probably most unusual pick here and i am eager to hear your thoughts on this is lori chavez-deremer. she was at the rnc, a speaking slot at the rnc this summer. but she endorsed the pro-act. friend to labor. the teamster's endorsement, i know you are familiar with this individual what is your thought about this pick?

>> it is a victory for shawn o'brien and went in big for this. he did, he got opposed by much of the conservative movement, competitive enterprise institute coming out against him and deremer. trump went with them. i think we all know why, they, i will do something for my frie that is great, i hope we are able to push it. the country needs it. however, the hostility that surrounds her is real. you have elon musk, you have wall street hedge fund guys, these are not people ready to go flying with the pro-labor agenda. she has her work cut out for her. it is one voice at a table where she is out gunned by a very wall street-friendly people who will have a labor voice. there are moments where, of course, it will be helpful when workers go on strike. i will note in order to support

labor secretary you need labor support. who trump picks for that needs to complement this direction if we are going to carve into being a pro-labor. it is a descent first step here. >> yeah. i mean, it is already, first of all it is friday fight and he announced 320% of the cabinet in five minutes, that is chaotic, the picks themselves, some we will get to, a few in more than a second puyou have a pro-labor candidate at the department of labor and elon musk advising the president is all of the insight you need to know about how unified this group of people is going to be and the chaos is pound to pursue. thank you for playing what feels like some kind of terrifying game show night of trump cabinet picks this friday evening, i pressure your time and sanity. >> riding in the cockpit with you, alex. >> thanks, brother.

trump said also, announcing a couple key picks for hhs secretary robert f. kennedy junior, for the commissioner of the food and drug association, he chosen a surgeon from john hopkins university that said the federal government was the greatest perpetrator of misinformation during the covid pandemic. he said natural immunity was better than vaccines and argued that the u.s. would reach herd immunity from covid by april of 2021. for the director of center of disease control. andfrom u.s. surgeon general he tapped another fox contributor

janette nesheiwat. joining me now, dr. gupta, what a night it is turning out to be. this happened moments ago. i am looking for an initial response. she a fox person, what is your initial reaction. >> i know her from a couple of her clips, by reputation, modest and i would say plays it conservative when it comes to saying things, alex, we may disagree with. on that pick i would say that is the most sobber pick when it comes to the other appointees. makary trafficked in outright misinformation, proven wrong, he speaks confidently but proven wrong. as an example a common talking point on the right that covid

vaccines caused inflammation of the heart and infection itself poses a lot of risk, several studies debunked that. he is not qualified. he is an author and a clinitian. he is not in compliance, policy making on drugs and food safety, he has no type of bureaucratic or government experience when it comes to managing a sprawling organization. he lacks management skills and he does not have basic skills when it comes to understanding medical, legal, compliance law when it comes to critical initiatives, suddenly he will be placed in to replacing someone who has done stints at the fda prior to being commissioner now. he does not have the background to be in that position, of course there is oz which we can go on and on and on about. >> yes, let's table oz. >> he is going to have the

budget what is the future for vaccine and development given the fact that you have someone that can be hhs secretary, vaccine skeptic and does not think there are good vaccines out there and makary who is a vaccine skeptic, there is a real world effect that we are going towards to have these individuals in these important roles when it comes to america's health. >> reporter: clearly we have the cdc. they can recommend or not recommend what vaccines that kids should be getting. they have a critical thought leadership role what we should be doing. on day one they can revise that so the dcd director will follow rfk jr. every one of these

appointees has been floated by him. makary has, he is going to bend the knee to rfk jr preferences, it will have a real impact on what the fda will say, what they are going to approve, how they are going to approve it, how they are going to talk about potential side effects, you know, will it be balanced information? rfk jr talked about presenting safety information, alex, on vaccines, we have been doing that, doing that since 1986 law mandated it. introducing skepticism on things that we n green scrubs or white coats here in an actual hospital, has been doing for decades. that is the concern, creating skepticism where there should be trust because we have been doing these things for a long time. >> independent of what they can do to our infrastructure and, you know, our pandemic response, whatever, public health, it is the notion that

skeptics, paranoid skeptics and conspiracy theorist hold a spot. that is an a, b, c, d type of thing. thank you t is a pleasure and necessary, thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you. new reporting tonight on trump's doj's plan for the team of prosecutors that worked under special council, jack smith, and if any of his plans are actually legal. first, crockettjoins me to talk about the full-scale assault on diversity. that is next full-scale assault on diversity. that is next you could use some metamucil. metamucil's psyllium fiber helps keep your digestive system moving so you can feel lighter and more energetic. metamucil keeps you movin'. and try fizzing fiber plus vitamins. black friday football on prime is back. touchdown!

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. i promise this is not a joke. there is some poetic justice in the special election to replace florida congressman matt gaetz in the next congress. gaetz congressional seat is now open after his bid to become u.s. attorney general crashed and burned. and the special election to replace gaetz has now been set for april fools' day. april 1st, 2025. now, in addition to that being a cosmically appropriate date it means for the first three months of next year his house seat will sit empty. republicans also look set to temporarily lose two more house

seats once they are vacated by florida representative mike waltz and new york representative tapped to serve in the next trump administration. they would be temporary losses the seats will really matter. the balance of power in this in- coming congress will be incredibly close. right now there are still three house races left to be called. two in california and one in iowa. all three of those races are currently split by less than end up with just a 2-4 seat majority which is essentially identical to the majority they have had for the past two years. and that means that all is not lost for democrats in the house this session. you might remember that in this past session of congress the republican party was so divided that it took 15 rounds of voting to elect a house speaker. only for that speaker to become the first house speaker in

american history to be ousted from the role by his own party. and all of that drama meant this past session of congress was the least productive of sessions in modern history. >> one thing, i want my republican colleagues to give me one thing, one. that i can go and campaign on and say we did. one. anybody sitting in the complex? you want to come down to the floor and come explain to me one material meaningful, significant thing that the republican majority has done. >> that was republican congressman from texas crip roy just a year ago. and in the year since republicans in the house have gone not much at all. but that is not for lack of trying. house republicans have introduced literally thousands of pieces of legislation this session but with a razor thin majority passing it is an uphill battle. so, while donald trump may have

a trifecta with republicans in control of the house and senate and the white house, the potential for his agenda to stall in the house is incredibly real. the work for democrats is congress vinceing a convincing them not to. it will not be easy but they are battles that democrats can win and democrats already started fighting. yesterday, a bill called the dismantled dei act passed on a party line vote. the big has 75 co-sponsors. all of whom are republican. now, if the bill were to become law it would close all federal diversity, equity and inclusion officers and programs. remember, the federal government is the biggest employer in this country. mow employees than walmart, amazon or anyone else. the federal government taking

are taking diversity and equity in when they are hiring people it matters. what they are doing is illegally them barring it based it is discrimtory against straight white men. will democrats be able to convince two or three republicans that a bill like that is a really, really bad idea? well, this is one of those battles that democrats have already started to fight. here was the impassioned plea from texas democrat, crockett, trying to explain that diversity is not the bogeyman the far right made it out to be. white men represent 30% of the population and 60% of the officer holders, these are the issues we are looking at and recognizing and trying to say is this just? i can not tell you how many white men served in this chamber but i can tell you i am

the only 55th black woman to be elected to congress. when you want to talk about history and pretend as if it was so long ago it wasn't. because, again, i am just number 55. finally, when we start to talk about what do these numbers do as we are trying to say that diversity, equity, inclusion is the problem, the reality is that when it comes to financial performance, companies with more diverse workforces are more likely to outperform their competitors, top for racial diversity are 35% more likely to out perform their peers on profitability. diverse companies earn 2.5 times higher cash flow for employee. diversity works. >> there was one more section this week that is very much worth hearing. here was her response to the

white male republicans claiming that dei amounts to oppression. >> you said oppression. i refer you to google to help you out. cruel and unjustice treatment and control. as i sit here as a black woman that practiced civil rights the reason my colleagues wanted to make sure you understand the same black history that your side of the aisle wants to delete out of classrooms is because you can then misuse words like oppression. there has been no oppress ion

for white men. which white man got dragged out of their homes or dragged across an ocean and told you are going to go and work. we will steal your wives, we are going to rape your wives, that did not happen. that is oppression. we did not ask to be here. we are not the same migrants that you come up against. we did not run away from home. we were stolen. so, yeah, we are going to sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like -- and don't let it escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us, people of color on this side of the aisle that y'all are the ones being oppressed, you are the ones being harmed. that is not the definition of oppression. you tell me the prolonged cruel and unjust treatment that you had and we can have a conversation. >> joining me now is jasmine crockett.

congressgreat to have you on the program. there is a reason your remarks went viral and they have gotten people talking. they are incredibly powerful, forceful. i think a lot of people think, not said enough, what was the reaction that you got after making them? >> reporter: yeah. it was the first time that my colleagues on the other side of the aisle just shut up. they did not want to comment on the remarks that i made. there have been a back and forth between presley and rep higgins out of louisiana at some point in time but they all kind of just looked dumbfounded. it was almost like, oh, my goodness she has the audacity to tell the truth, audacity to give us a history lesson. audacity to stand up for people that look like her and not back down and not pretend as if, you

know, these white tears, this white vergillity is anything other than that and that it is, it is not about equity. it is about making sure that we can have the likes of the people that have been elevated into trump's administration, who we know are not qualified and skipping over qualified black men that yes, i may disagree with but we can all say that donalds as well as senator tim scott are more qualified than every single person put into this cabinet. they are diverse, they are black. so they have been skipped over. that is the type of life that they want us to have in this country is one in which even if you are mediocre, even if you are unqualified but you are white, that will be enough. >> do you think that -- i mean, first of all do you talk to your republican colleagues about that? those two specific people

especially tim scott who humiliated himself for trump and yet to be rewarded with anything. do you think that found residence with your colleagues on the other side of the aisle? >> i doubt it. >> reporter: you know, when we were having the debate over this particular mark up i specifically asked one of my other colleagues, where is byron, has he been here? did i miss him? he had not been in committee to argue. i was curious to see how he was going to vote. that particular colleague told me he will vote for it, but we did not see him make an argument as to why this bill is good. but we saw byron on the trail saying things as jim crow was good for black folk. i was curious to see or hear his arguments on this anti-dei bill. but he did not show up to actually debate it. he showed up to vote for it. he did support it. >> i think what is so powerful

about the arguments that you made. one injecting much-needed emotion into what is an indignity of people of color have been forced to suffer when white people talk about oppression and you articulated it beautifully. the other piece, you came with receipts in terms of the numbers. companies that do well because of diversity. there has not been a forceful argument for an inclusive america. it the given up upon. democrats did not make a huge argument for it at the top of the ticket. i understand a lot of the crosswinds for someone like kamala harris a candidate of historic nature. it feels like, especially right now, maybe you will lead the charge, we got to figure out a way to talk about the issue that is tethered to reality and tethered to history. so you sense this dei effort made on the side of republicans

in congress, is going to pass? they will do away with federal interest in having a diverse workplace? >> reporter: yeah, it was part of project 2025. as we know two of the people that trump currently selected to be in his administration they are authors of project 2025. so, as many times as y'all yelled, i yelled that project 2025 is his only plan, because he said no, i know nothing about it, not my plan. people just believed him. we see how that is playing out. yes, i do believe this is something that we will end up enduring in the trump administration. i will say will say this. this bill is going nowhere at this point in time. the senate is controlled by democrats and joe biden still in the white house. we know this president is historic in many ways. despite having the first female

black woman added to the ticket as the vice president. be sides that he put the first black woman on the supreme court. be sides that he combined appointed more black women specifically but overall more people of color to federal benches than all combined there is someone who absolutely has believed in diversity. one of the most diverse cabinets ever in the history of this country. he will never, he will never sign this. i don't think it will get to his desk. this is ramping up for what we are going to experience once trump is in office. the question is, will the filibuster stand? will our democrats in the senate say, okay. wait a minute. filibuster. this is not right. oh, yeah, it is a problem. or, whatever it is they want to say. they are trying to dismantle our civil rights in front of us.

and it is really, really sad. i am hoping that we will be united. not only in the house but in the senate. and it would be nice if we can find the backbone of some republican to stand with us, hopefully one that is of color. the final point that i will make, the biggest beneficiaries of dei, affirmative action have been white women. at least, one white woman can stand with us democrats and make sure that we stop this harmful and divisive rhetoric we see happening and they are trying to turn into actual bills >> representative crockett from texas. i know we will be talking to you more. thank you very much for your time tonight. >> reporter: good to see you. coming up, more breaking news tonight, new reporting from "the washington post," that donald trump plans to fire all of the members of special counsel of jack smith's team

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. staying true to his campaign promise of retribution, "the washington post," is reporting tonight that donald trump plans to fire

the entire team that worked under special council jack smith on investigations counsel jack smith investigations. when asked a trump spokesperson said trump campaigned on firing rogue bureaucrats who engaged in the illegal weaponization of our american justice system and the american people can believe he will deliver on that promise and they plan to build teams went the doj to hunt for evidence of fraud in the 2020 battleground states. joining me now is msnbc's secret weapon. help me understand how this is possible. first of all, lisa, how many people are we talking about and can it happen? >> a source tells me tonight if it were to come to true, people

will be impacted. how is it possible? the short answer it isn't. there is not a way to spire on a widespread bases career employees for the department of justice. they are part of civil service. firing someone career staffer at the department of justice is purposefully complicated because they are entitled to a process. therefore when luvitt scheduled to be press schedule says he campaigned on the promise of firing rogue bureaucrats who participated in the weaponization of our justice system, on one hand, i believe she means it, on the other hand i am not sure how they will accomplish it. >> does the extend of pam bondi as attorney general, having a sympathizer and someone who has a vested interest in carrying out trump's orders speed it up or make it easier?

>> we will see. she always told "the washington post," tonight that the people that spoke to the post does not know what the transition is planning and the only people that can speak of it are people in the transition themselves. but i can expect pam bondi would follow-through. she thinks the investigators should be investigated. prosecutors are should be prosecuted that is separate and apart from whether or not people should lose their jobs in the first place. just the act of being fired that is designed to terrorize people. >> yes. >> right? >> it is designed. inserenity is the point. put costs on people who can not afford it. they are career civil workers and they can not accept pro- bono legal. if you are a career employee and someone says we will let you go because you participated

in the jack smith nonsense you can not get someone to provide free legal service. you have to be fired first to get that representation. designed to impovish people and that is it. >> there are people beneath pom bondi, bove, blanche, they defended trump in some of the cases but they know the law. >> they do. >> they are not wacka do fox news contributors that are maga warriors, lawyers with credentials. >> they are. >> do you think they could be a moderating influence at all when we look at an attempted purge of the department of justice? >> i think they can be a moderating influence but that does not mean that some of these things will not come to fruition.

it is hard to fire people at the department of justice. can you reassign them? you sure can. assign them to a job they are qualified to do or want to do? you absolutely can. and, so, do i put it passed this group of people within the bounds of the law to try to make it very difficult for some of the folks that are career staff and joined up with the team? i do. that might be a moderating force in this window shifting of the values here. >> just move them to a place they don't want to be at all. so, the wheel turns. lisa reuben. thank you for doing important reporting on top of the important reporting in "the washington post,." we appreciate you as always >> thank you for having me. republicans officials were so outraged to be confronted with the abortion ban. the one that led to the deaths of two women that they fired the officials that leaked the data, that is coming up leaked data, that is coming up a mystery! jessie loves playing detective. but the real mystery was her irritated skin.

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the testing down, please. test people don't know what is going on. we got another one over here. the young man is 10 years old. he has the sniffles he will recover in 15 minutes. lasay case. add to it. that is a case. >> slow down the testing, please. trump was angry that the country was testing so many people because that meant we were finding more positive cases. in his mind, more positive cases made trump look bad. almost like he was mishandling the biggest health crisis in a generation. so, trump's instinct was to cook the books. mess with the numbers so america looked like it had fewer cases than it did. never mind that fudging it, it was about making him look good or less worse. now that he is returning to office we can expect even more attempts to mess with critical

data collection efforts. the trump world, project 2025 makes recommendations how the incoming administration can screw around with data. preventing the equal employment commission from collecting basic data on race and ethnicity and preventing the center for disease control and prevention from collecting data on gender identity. the plan includes manipulating census data by adding a citizen question and gutting noaa and the national weather service. to erase data about climate problem that conservatives don't want to admit exist. now, this week we got a first look at what the conservative war on information looks like in the real world. if you followed the last election closely. you may remember reporting on the deaths of two women, amber

therman and candy miller. both died because they could not get access to safe and legal abortion care in the state of georgia. the reporting was based on information propublica received from showing both women's deaths could have been prevented. confronted with their abortion ban was outraged they were able to obtain that information now, propublica says the state of georgia dismissed all 32 members of the maternal mortality committee as punishment for leaking the data of those two women's deaths t. is an act of retribution but also one on the public's right to life-saving information. in just a second i will talk to the propublica reporter who broke the story of what it might show for health and safety in donald trump's america, that is next safety in donald trump's america, that is next

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. my daughter amber made me so proud. she was having complications. >> and . >> tonight we are learning more about the death of amber thurman >> it was likely preventible if she had access to abortion care in her home state of georgia >> what happened to her was preventible. my daughter is gone because of what donald trump did. >> in september the country learned for the first time about two preventible deaths caused by post-dobbs abortion bans thanks to propublica reporting. it is the data that is supposed to be collected and review and reduce deaths. now, the 32 members n georgia, the group that determined that thurman and miller's death were linked to abortion bans the

entire committee has been dismissed. direct result of propublica obtaining the reports. joining me now is the reporter that broke it. amy, thank you for being here with me tonight. first of all, who is so this commission and what happens now that all 32 members have been dismissed? >> reporter: thank you very much for having me t. is made up of a wide range of professionals, doctors on the committee, nurses on this committee, there are dulas, specialists range of people serve on the committee. their job is to review maternal deaths and make suggestions and recommendations to reduce the number of deaths. now that they have been been dismissed there is no one in georgia to review those deaths

right now. i understand that the department of public health is trying to refill those positions to resume this extremely important work. you know, we know georgia is struggling with a high maternal mortality rate. disperportiondisproportion atly effectsatly effecting black women. they are taking applications as we speak. >> i would imagine it was shocking to members of the commission, what about the groups around the commission that are advocates for maternal health and working to solve the questions of maternal mortality, are there any consequences for georgia deciding to do this? >> reporter: i know a lot of people have gotten in touch with me to talk about their shock at this move by the state to remove the committee. i think there is outrage that

this step was taken. and, so, i am not sure what the next steps are for them. again, the department of public health has said that they are going to try to refill it. get it back up and going and in the letter they sent to members said that there would be no delay in the work that they do. obviously a lot of experts have a lot of questions about that. hard to imagine they can dismiss an entire board and no delay in the kind of work that they do. so, there are certainly questions about how much this could delay the very important work that this committee does. >> i mean, committees like this across the country. i wonder the degree to which this is a model for red state that have abortion bans and looking at the human cost. are they going to be more politicalized and focused from the anti-abortion movement as we go forward? how chilling of an effect is this? >> reporter: again, that is kind of an open question.

i mean, a very huge concern for sure. the chilling effect could definitely be there. and, georgia is the only state where we have seen some changes to maternal mortality review committees in response to criticism or in response to politics. idaho allowed theirs to basically lapse after a special interest group took issue with some of their recommendations. in texas you saw a little bit of movement. you saw a member who had been on the board who made a public criticism, suddenly her seat was sort of shifted around and she reapplied for it and not able to get it. so, you know, there have been changes. this is the first time we have seen an entire board dismissed. yes, there are certainly concerns. >> it is really