tv Dateline MSNBC November 23, 2024 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
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that will do it for me. thanks for watching. tune in tomorrow for the sunday show to watch my interview with bill clinton on where democrats go from here. also, congressman jim clyburn describes donald trump's cabinet picks. that's tomorrow the at 6:00 eastern. follow us on x, instagram, tiktok and threads, and now blue sky, using the handle at weekend capehart. hart a tow truck driver spots a black mercedes
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suv in an alley. mike narduzzi: there's a white female body in the back seat. police knocked on the door at 9:30 the next morning. i think i fell to my knees. hank winchester: and one of the neighbors said, well, i do notice men and women dressed in leather carrying whips. this is a guy with a secret life. woman 2: i had never, never heard of such things. mike narduzzi: it appeared to be a relationship based on mutual obsession. woman 2: there's no doubt in my mind that she knew what her husband was into. about his kinky taste? she knew. dennis murphy (voiceover): follow the twists and turns in one of the strangest stories we've ever had on "dateline." i first met him on an adult website. it was layer after layer after layer. marc santia: get ready, because now everything just started spinning. [no speech] urphy (voiceover): if you ever needed to be persuaded that bad things, grotesque things
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can happen anywhere, then take a journey with us to detroit in the wealthiest of suburbs. marc santia: it's sort of "the truman show." it's sort of "wandavision." it is this perfect place. nothing happens in grosse pointe park. dennis murphy (voiceover): until one of their own in this community of old money and good taste was brutally murdered. man: who committed this crime? why was this woman killed? a very, very fun, high energy person who loved life and did not deserve to die like this. dennis murphy (voiceover): but if her death was a shock, what happened next would shake this community to its core. and i just stopped for a second here and the back of my neck stood up and i go, this guy's crazy. dennis murphy (voiceover): in the aftermath of the biggest crime and scandal ever to hit grosse pointe park, we go inside the investigation with detectives.
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officer: we need to know the specifics, because only the person who did it would know how it happened. it's like, there's more to the story. something's going on here. we have to keep digging. dennis murphy (voiceover): and reveal all those dark secrets desperately hidden, which once exposed, would destroy a prominent family. sex acts were being performed in the dungeon. but the real story was about betrayal, about love, and about murder. dennis murphy (voiceover): most american cities have a neighborhood where the houses are bigger, the money a little older. in detroit, it's grosse pointe. it is the place that everybody wants to live. the homes are beautiful, the lawns are manicured. everybody appears to live this perfect life. dennis murphy (voiceover): and in this tasteful enclave of good schools, good churches, good families going back generations, jane and bob bashara had made their home and raised their two children. bob bashara: i love this place. how could you not? dennis murphy (voiceover): bob and jane had been a couple for nearly 30 years.
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they'd each built their own careers. she was a marketing exec. he owned and managed properties. and they were known around grosse pointe for their volunteer work. to all appearances, the lives being lived in their nice suburban house weren't all that much different from what was happening in homes up and down the streets of grosse pointe park and out around exclusive lakeshore drive. but that was before january 24, 2012. jane was driving her black mercedes suv home from her job in detroit. bob said they spoke on their cells. she sounded perfectly fine. she said, i'm coming home. i'll be home in 20 minutes. dennis murphy (voiceover): as jane drove from downtown, bob says he was tending to outside cleanup chores at one of his properties. when he got home, he thinks about 8 o'clock, there was no jane in sight. i got changed. i thought she might have been downstairs watching tv, as she did in the evening. and then i started looking for her and i couldn't find her. did you see jane's car here?
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no, i didn't. anything in disarray? no. i just assumed that she ran an errand. well, as 8:30, 9 o'clock came, i started calling her, and her phone didn't answer. dennis murphy (voiceover): two more hours went by and still no jane. bob said he was getting anxious. dennis murphy (voiceover): police tried to get in touch with jane. dennis murphy (voiceover): no answer. so the dispatcher left her a voicemail. dennis murphy (voiceover): bob was also working the phones. bob bashara: i called my kids to say, hey, have you talked to your mother? and i called some of her friends to say, have you seen jane?
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or maybe she got together with a wine or something to share with her friends. dennis murphy (voiceover): but it seemed no one had seen or heard from jane since earlier that evening. bob phoned the police again. dennis murphy (voiceover): grosse pointe park police sent over an officer to collect information. dennis murphy: so did you get any sleep that night? oh no. i stayed up the whole night. dennis murphy (voiceover): the next morning, a wednesday, grosse pointe park detective mike narduzzi was just starting his shift. i walk into work about 7:20, and immediately i have a missing persons report on my desk. jane bashara is missing. dennis murphy (voiceover): that same morning, tow truck operators in the east end of detroit were making their early rounds. marc santia: they would look for stolen cars or abandoned cars, hustle and make some extra money before starting their shift.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): marc santia at the time was a top investigative reporter on the police beat for nbc's detroit affiliate wdiv. marc santia: a tow truck driver spots a black mercedes suv in an alley. and that black suv stood out. why is it in an alley? it's kind of a desolate area. so could be stolen, could be abandoned. dennis murphy (voiceover): a shiny vehicle that wouldn't turn a head in grosse pointe was like a flashing neon sign saying something's wrong here in detroit's gritty east end. just abandoned in this grungy alley. no sounds from within. detective narduzzi's phone started ringing. mike narduzzi: i get a phone call. are we looking for a jane bashara? because we just found a mercedes benz registered to her. and the whole story and case starts right from there. dennis murphy (voiceover): coming up, what was jane's car doing so far from home? and where was jane? mike narduzzi: the contents of her purse were dumped out. dennis murphy (voiceover): was it a robbery or
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some side effects lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. with wegovy®,... ...i'm losing weight,... ...i'm keeping it off,... ...and i'm lowering my cv risk. check your coverage before talking to your prescriber about wegovy®. dennis murphy (voiceover): jane bashara, a dedicated wife, d communit, was missing. and now there were reports that her black mercedes suv was located in an alley in detroit's east side. grosse pointe park detective mike narduzzi met detroit investigators at the scene. mike narduzzi: it's a pretty rundown neighborhood. a lot of vacant homes. in the alley, there's a lot of litter, garbage. dennis murphy: is that an unlikely spot to find a nice, expensive car like that, ditched, abandoned? mike narduzzi: yes, i would think so. it was a rough part of town. drug activities there? drug activity, sure. dennis murphy (voiceover): at first glance, detectives noticed something on the exterior of the suv.
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mike narduzzi: it was dirty, like a winter car normally is. and on the driver's side door, the dirt was all disturbed, like freshly disturbed, like someone had leaned up against it or rolled against it. dennis murphy (voiceover): inside the vehicle, detective narduzzi could see jane's belongings were in disarray. and on the seat, a bottle of prescription pills. the contents of her purse were dumped out on the passenger side floorboard. dennis murphy (voiceover): and there crumpled over in the back seat, detective narduzzi saw jane bashara's lifeless body. you could see heavy bruising on the left side of her face and her neck. it was all bruised up and purple and there's a lot of trauma and injury. dennis murphy: this woman from grosse pointe in a nice mercedes suv-- what is a woman like this doing in a vehicle like this in east detroit, which was going through a bad part of its history? a heroin epidemic was raging through metro detroit at that time. and so a lot of people would go to the east side
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to buy heroin. dennis murphy (voiceover): could that have something to do with her death? while a team of investigators worked the crime scene trying to figure out what she'd been doing there, jane's body was sent to the me for examination. it was determined to take the whole car right over to the medical examiner's office to process it there. the body, jane, was eventually taken to the medical examiner's office and they did an autopsy. dennis murphy (voiceover): now it was time to deliver the awful news to bob. so when do you get the call? the police knocked on the door at 9:30 the next morning. i think i fell to my knees. it was absolutely the worst news i could have gotten. at that point, i just was grieving. i had to make phone calls, (emotionally) dreaded phone calls to my children to tell them-- to tell them about their mother. dennis murphy (voiceover): soon it was all over the news. the 56-year-old mother found dead inside her suv on detroit's east side. dennis murphy (voiceover): grosse pointe park residents were shaken.
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it just didn't make sense. jane and bob bashara were not only well known, they were well liked. bob, big bob as he was known around grosse pointe, with the vanity plates to prove it, was active in rotary, a past president, and hands on for almost any community fundraiser you could name. jane was a mainstay in the high school mothers group and regularly volunteered at her church. dennis murphy: so how did you meet jane? bob bashara: good friend of mine in high school married her best friend, and they introduced us, and we started dating. and we clicked pretty much right away. and within two years, i asked her to marry me, and she said yes. dennis murphy (voiceover): bob says he loved that jane didn't hold anything back. bob bashara: she was outgoing, a go getter, yet she was very loving and kind. and i just was attracted to her right from the beginning, because she had a good heart. dennis murphy (voiceover): the children came along, first robert, then jessica. dennis murphy: this is where the kids grew up? this is where the kids grew up. dennis murphy (voiceover): and in the front yard
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of their gracious home, there were two towering evergreens. bob said he could see his children in them. bob bashara: when my son was one, i bought a live christmas tree, brought it in, we decorated it, and then undecorated it and took it outside. and then did the same for my daughter. now they're about 30 feet and they're wonderful. dennis murphy (voiceover): bob bashara, the son of a judge, was a real estate guy. he'd buy and sell commercial and residential properties around detroit and take in cash flow as a landlord. he bought his first property as a teenager and never looked back. bob bashara: when you play the game monopoly, the person with the most property wins. a lesson not lost on you. that's right. and just started buying more and more, and in addition to working a full time job. dennis murphy (voiceover): jane bashara was a six figure marketing executive who had retired but went back to work after an economic downturn took a toll on her husband's property business. but she was rarely too busy to miss a night of playing cards with the couple's friend of many years, kim towar. strong person, very delightful person.
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her laugh would set a room just on fire. dennis murphy (voiceover): and she was an excellent hostess. kim can remember dropping in unannounced. kim towar: you would think that she had planned for weeks that people were going to come over. just wait a minute and the food would be out. she would welcome you with open arms. dennis murphy (voiceover): but now, her friend jane was gone. dennis murphy: how do you absorb that? i don't know. i still don't know that i have. i'm not sure the community has. so what are the words that describe this whole thing you're going through? it's absolutely devastating. it's devastating to see what jane's family are going through and bob and the uncertainty every day. i don't know how bob survives every day not knowing what's going to happen. dennis murphy (voiceover): as jane's loved ones grieved, the investigation was ramping up. detectives wanted to talk to those closest to jane, starting with bob. coming up--
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dennis murphy (voiceover): grosse pointe park turned out to pay its respects to jane bashara, a volunteer parent at the high school whose murdered body had been found that morning inside her suv in a seedy detroit alley. in the crowd, her husband, bob, a sudden widower. hank winchester: jane's family members and friends, they just cannot make sense of any of this. dennis murphy (voiceover): reporter hank winchester covered the candlelight vigil for nbc affiliate wdiv in detroit.
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hank winchester: the first time many of us saw bob bashara was about 10 hours after he learned his wife was dead in a mercedes in detroit. and he showed up at grosse pointe south high school for a community prayer event. every mover and shaker in grosse pointe park was there. he didn't say much. he just thanked everyone for being there. i'm sure he was dealing with a lot of different emotions with his children being there. dennis murphy (voiceover): bob was publicly grieving. it's just unthinkable that this happened to her and what she had to suffer. i am just so upset about it. that's different than dying suddenly in, god forbid, a car wreck or something else. oh, absolutely. or dying of a heart attack or something that you can explain. this is unexplainable why someone would want to harm that angel. dennis murphy (voiceover): for many, it was impossible to imagine what a respected husband and father like bob bashara was going through, the man affectionately known as big bob around grosse pointe. bob bashara didn't have a criminal record.
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you're dealing with the perfect couple. dennis murphy (voiceover): and yet in cases like this, for the police, the spouse is always a suspect until ruled out. bob had already led an officer into his home to look around. did you start to look for valuables, for instance, in the house to see if stuff was where it should be, if anything was turned upside down? well, my world was upside down, so i really didn't look around. the police walked the house with me. i was more concerned about how my kids were, how my family was. i wasn't worried about whether there was a robbery or anything. nothing looked like it was a muck or amiss. we just let the police do their thing. dennis murphy: so you want to talk to the husband in a more formal setting. when does that happen? mike narduzzi: the detectives made an arrangement for him to come down to the station the next day for a more formal interview.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): a day after his wife's body was found, bob said he was still in the dark, hearing only bits and pieces from reporters. dennis murphy (voiceover): detectives were trying to piece together what jane was doing the night she disappeared. bob told them the two had plans. dennis murphy (voiceover): bob said he told jane he'd be home around 8:00 pm. he'd spent the afternoon and early evening cleaning up one of his properties.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): and before heading home, bob told investigators, a friend met him for a drink. bob bashara's in the police interview room. what's his demeanor? he was very cooperative. he was pleasant. and bob didn't shy away from an alibi question. he told him exactly where he was. dennis murphy (voiceover): investigators would have to check that alibi, of course, but they moved on to more personal questions. was bob and jane's marriage a happy one?
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dennis murphy (voiceover): there was one thing, which bob hesitated to mention, but thought it might be important to the investigation. dennis murphy (voiceover): could that explain why jane was in an east detroit neighborhood that was known for drugs? dennis murphy (voiceover): investigators wrapped up bob's interview by collecting his dna. in the midst of all of this, do you have time to step back and say, what happened here?
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why is it that my wife has been abducted, apparently in her car, and is now dead, murdered? i had no clue. i had no understanding of why someone would want to do this, why someone would-- i didn't know if she was abducted here or if she was out running an errand and was carjacked. dennis murphy (voiceover): investigators were eager to find answers to those questions too. but first, there would be many more questions about jane and about big bob. coming up-- it seemed like the body was taken there. dennis murphy (voiceover): a different theory of the crime and a different side of bob bashara. hank winchester: one of the neighbors said, well, i do notice men and women dressed in leather from head to toe, but that's the only thing i noticed that could be out of the ordinary. and i'm like, out of the ordinary? yeah. dennis murphy (voiceover): when "dateline" continues.
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israel's air strikes killing at least 11 people on saturday in beirut, lebanon. diplomats continue to scramble to broker a cease-fire. the strikes are the fourth to hit the lebanese capital in one less than one week. and an infant has died and adults sickened amid a list eri outbreak. it is in ready to eat meat and poultry products. ultry products dennis murphy (voiceover): two days after jane's death, the medical examiner had confirmed what investigators all but knew. jane had died a violent and painful death. she had died by strangulation most likely, and most likely by hands, as there was no ligature marks. there was no puncture wounds, anything along those lines. dennis murphy (voiceover): the medical examiner
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noted something else. jane had a broken fingernail, meaning she likely fought with her killer. the fingernail was bagged and sent to the lab for dna testing. meanwhile, detectives took a closer look at the evidence and it wasn't adding up. there was no sign of a struggle inside the suv. and although jane's purse had been dumped out, most of her valuables seemed to be there. it didn't appear that it was a robbery gone bad, because it didn't seem like anything was missing. so a wrong time, wrong place scenario didn't really work here. mike narduzzi: correct. it seemed like the body was taken there. dennis murphy (voiceover): absent any solid leads, bob himself suggested perhaps jane's death could be connected to a string of similar unsolved murders in the area. mike narduzzi: at the time, there were several homicides that were dubbed the backpage murders. dennis murphy (voiceover): marc santia reported on them for wdiv. marc santia: these horrific cases where women would meet up with someone that they met on backpage, an adult website, and then the women would
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disappear and then they would be found in the trunk of a car dead. so now you had jane in the back seat of this abandoned suv. was this the fifth victim in the backpage murders? dennis murphy (voiceover): but police had a different theory, that jane wasn't murdered in crime ridden detroit, but just seven miles away in suburban grosse pointe park, a city that hadn't seen a single murder in 20 years. dennis murphy: and here you are off on your first homicide case. correct. and at that time, i probably had been a detective for two and a half, three years. dennis murphy (voiceover): detective narduzzi was working the case with help from detroit pd. at the top of their investigative checklist was verifying bob's alibi the night jane disappeared. they talked to this man, mike moyianis, who'd known bob for a few years. mike owned the hard luck lounge, which was located in one of bob's buildings. was he around a lot-- mike-- did you see him? yeah. he would just pop in.
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he would use his key and come in the back door while we were busy. dennis murphy (voiceover): and the evening of tuesday, january 24 was no different. one of mike's employees remembered seeing bob in and out of the bar the night jane disappeared. and just as bob told police, a friend joined him there for a drink. he met with an old guy. they went around the corner and sat in the lounge part. dennis murphy (voiceover): though bob's story seemed to check out, mike told police there was something strange about that day. mike: he said he was out back doing work cleaning up. bob never did anything. he had other people do work. dennis murphy (voiceover): still, many people saw bob at the bar that night, which seemed to support his alibi. but this is where the story takes the first of many unbelievable turns. you see, it wasn't just the regulars at the hard luck lounge who recognized bob. his very public grieving was making local news watchers all over greater detroit say, i know that guy, and they were calling reporter hank winchester to tell him how. hank winchester: bob bashara was the party
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man about grosse pointe-- dinner parties, a christmas event. but the other side of bob bashara, the real party side of bob bashara, happened behind closed doors. and we're not just talking about a casino night. dennis murphy (voiceover): those tips led winchester to talk to some neighbors of the hard luck lounge who'd noticed unusual comings and goings from the building's basement. hank winchester: one of the neighbors said, well, i do notice from time to time men and women dressed in leather from head to toe, wearing masks, carrying whips. but that's the only thing i noticed that could be out of the ordinary. and i'm like, out of the ordinary? yeah. dennis murphy (voiceover): in fact, mike moyianis had accidentally discovered landlord bob was up to something strange in the basement. mike: that's where the fuse box was for the whole place. and my contractor said, he's got some freaky stuff down there. and i'm like, what are you talking about? and he's like, he's got harnesses and chains hanging from the ceiling. dennis murphy (voiceover): what the contractor seemed to have discovered was a so-called dungeon for bdsm, bondage, domination, sadism, and masochism.
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reporter 1: witnesses have told police that bob bashara had a sex dungeon in the basement of a building he owned in grosse pointe park. dennis murphy (voiceover): the discovery of the dungeon immediately activated bloggers from detroit's underground bdsm community, who were firing off emails to winchester. people saying, i know bob bashara, but i don't know bob bashara as grosse pointe bob. i know bob bashara as master bob. dennis murphy (voiceover): master bob, in this world of whips and dog collars, the stories went, was a dom or dominant, someone who exerted total control over his sexual partners in a dungeon like this one. investigators looking into the murder of jane bashara were now curious. this s&m business, based on power and control with some pain thrown in, seemed way more than the all too common woman on the side theory of motivation. it seems to be that for bob bashara, if these stories are true, that the diversion of rather
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than go to the movies, i'm going to go to the dungeon had become a whole enveloping, consuming lifestyle. and you have to assume that bob did a pretty good job of keeping this secret. i mean, his neighbors in grosse pointe weren't talking about this. it was not a topic of conversation at the country club or the rotary club. dennis murphy (voiceover): for years, bob was able to keep his skeletons in the closet-- or in this case, the dungeon. this is a guy with a secret life. now, did this secret life have anything to do with the death of his wife? dennis murphy (voiceover): coming up, behind closed doors with one of master bob's partners. next to the bed, there was a giant web-like looking device. a what? it looked like a giant spiderweb with rope. do i want to know? when "dateline" continues. (cough cough) (sneeze) (♪♪) new alka-seltzer plus cold
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were trying to wrap their heads around the revelation that their friend, a neighbor and grieving widower, bob bashara, had a secret kinky side. this real life fifty shades of grosse pointe had become a steamy topic. bob bashara's alleged secret life. reporter 2: and bashara's interest and involvement in the s&m bondage community. bob bashara: the media has painted a picture of me as a terrible person and all these different things going on in my life when they didn't know me. they didn't take the time to know the real me-- the community service activist, the loving father, the loving husband. ok? i had a wonderful life here. dennis murphy (voiceover): but this woman, who asked that we call her lynne, did know him. the day that i heard the news, i went to the police right off. dennis murphy (voiceover): she told detectives about a 2009 romp in the dungeon she said she had with a man who called himself master bob. i said he was very involved in the bdsm lifestyle.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): disguised beneath theatrical makeup, lynne agreed to talk to us about her sexual lifestyle and the person she knew as master bob. a single mom with a job, lynne had made her own journey from the straight life vanilla, as she calls it, and understands the lure of being controlled and dominated. dennis murphy: how do you go through that door? it's a scary door, especially for somebody later in life discovering this. the sex life, it was pretty boring. conventional we're talking, right? always conventional, vanilla, yeah. so i stumbled upon it and it kind of hit me. i'm like, well, this is what i've been missing. you're a submissive? yes. submissive means you submit to that dominant. so the submissive will do pretty much anything her dominant says. when you close the door and your regular 9:00 to 5:00 job is over, do you become that other person on a tuesday night, a wednesday night? some do. i don't. i become that other person when i'm with the person that i want to share that with. the dungeon-- not everybody uses a dungeon,
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but there's a lot of dungeon parties. dennis murphy (voiceover): lynne said dungeon parties can be held just about anywhere. in warehouses, rental halls, garages, even suburban rec rooms. invitations come through the web and word of mouth. what about that? you're invited to a dungeon party. how do you know you're not going to john wayne gacy's? yeah, you don't. you don't. with me personally, i talk to people for a while. if there's anything that doesn't sound right, i wouldn't go. dennis murphy (voiceover): she said she heard about the dungeon beneath a bar from bashara himself and that he found her on an alternative lifestyle website. lynne: and the reason i followed through was because i had not experienced a dungeon. and so understanding the draw and the excitement, i had to see the dungeon. dennis murphy (voiceover): so one afternoon, lynne said she met master bob and another woman, bob's submissive sex companion, at the hard luck lounge. she said the three of them spent a few minutes at the bar, chatted about nothing in particular, and relaxed with a few stiff drinks.
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lynne: and then down to the dungeon. dennis murphy (voiceover): this is actual footage of master bob's dungeon shot undercover by nbc's wdiv in detroit. lynne: the first thing i see in the far corner is a bed. next to the bed, there was a giant web-like looking device. a what? it looked like a giant spiderweb with rope. do i want to know? it was a 360-type web. dennis murphy (voiceover): the spiderweb contraption was in storage when the local camera crew was filming undercover. but the grungy, windowless dungeon contained the hooks, ropes, and other toys lynne remembered. she, bob, and the other woman got down to business. dennis murphy: how do you break the ice? lynne: oh, that was quick, because she disrobed as soon as we got there and already had her collar on. and that's what i was ordered to do and that's what i did. dennis murphy (voiceover): and master bob is telling you what to do? yes. and you're having a great time? lynne: yep. that's where we initially both had our first flogging.
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lynne, you say that so easily-- "my first flogging in the dungeon." yeah. dennis murphy (voiceover): yet she says she never went back to master bob's dungeon. she liked the other woman well enough, but master bob. self-absorbed, very, very dominant, just godlike, if that makes any sense. when i say he is master bob, i believe he believes that with every fiber of his being. dennis murphy (voiceover): she went to the police, she said, because she believed bob's secret life might be relevant. lynne: the whole purpose of this is justice for jane's murder. do you feel like there's a time coming when you need to put your story out and say, ok, well, the rest of you may not understand this alternative lifestyle. here's what you don't know. here's how i fit into that. dennis, i have a number of people that i will share the truth with, but the number one thing i need to do is get past this. dennis murphy (voiceover): but after talking to lynne and others, investigators were less interested in the lurid details of bob's secret sex life. there appeared to be a much more
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conventional issue creating chaos in his marriage to jane. marc santia: we had been hearing that bob may have had a girlfriend. dennis murphy (voiceover): it would turn out that other woman in the dungeon with master bob and lynne wasn't all that submissive. in fact, it was she who had begun to dominate bob's life. coming up, a betrayal-- and he lied to me. dennis murphy (voiceover): --and a confession. dennis murphy (voiceover): when "dateline" continues. stay ahead of your child's moderate-to-severe eczema and they can show off clearer skin and less itch, with dupixent, the number one prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists that helps heal your child's skin from within. severe allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for face, mouth, tongue, or throat swelling, wheezing or trouble breathing. tell your doctor of new or worsening eye problems
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she and bob bashara met on an alternative lifestyle website. rachel lived for a short time just above the hard luck lounge and master bob's sex dungeon. and it was a fairly open relationship to observers in his circle? ceover): people knew that bob and rachel were an item? people have seen bob and rachel. dennis murphy (voiceover): bar owner mike moyianis was one of those people. he would introduce her as his tenant and he would say, oh, i was fixing something in one of my tenants' apartments when we would see him come down the stairs. dennis murphy (voiceover): rachel was now thrust into the middle of a very public investigation. detective narduzzi sat down with her. mike narduzzi: she said they had gone to these bdsm parties. dennis murphy (voiceover): but it was more than just a sexual relationship. according to rachel, she and bob had been dating for more than three years. bob even traveled to south carolina for her daughter's wedding in 2011. this shot of them dancing was posted on the photo company's facebook page. it became clear to investigators
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there was something potentially explosive about this relationship. mike narduzzi: bob had this obsession with rachel. it appeared to be a relationship based on mutual obsession. dennis murphy (voiceover): but with the whole scandalous affair now out in the open and bob publicly grieving about his wife, rachel went on the offensive to tell her side of the story to wdiv reporter mark santia. marc santia: rachel, you turn on the television. bob's on the tv. he's crying and he's talking about losing his soul mate, his wife. what went through your mind? well, obviously, first of all, that he was still married. that the divorce that i thought had happened in may didn't happen. and that he lied to me. and i was just, i was in shock pretty much. dennis murphy (voiceover): with the revelations about his secret sex life, bob bashara was officially named a person of interest in the case.
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jane's husband has been called the only person of interest. dennis murphy (voiceover): but bashara had his own person of interest he wanted the police to look at. bob's lawyer hand delivers a letter to the grosse pointe park police department naming joe gentz. here's a guy you should look at, huh? correct. dennis murphy (voiceover): so detective narduzzi brought in this joe gentz. mike narduzzi: it was real obvious something was going on with this guy. dennis murphy (voiceover): gentz, a massive man with a child's iq, denied having anything to do with the murder. but while the 48-year-old told detectives nothing, his body language said he had something to hide. mike narduzzi: he gets all flustered and loud and gregarious and he's upset. and he's kind of pacing around the interview room. and eventually he says he wants to leave. dennis murphy (voiceover): which he did. he was yet another strange and puzzling character who had entered the case, and narduzzi didn't know what to make of him. dennis murphy: how did this guy know bashara in the first place? they were introduced by steve tibaudo in approximately september of 2011.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): tibaudo owned an appliance and furniture store. steve tibaudo: bob stumbled into my place one day, probably 10 years prior to 2011. dennis murphy (voiceover): over the years, bashara bought appliances from tibaudo for his rental properties. joe gentz had worked for tibaudo in the past. joe's got a good heart. he's very boisterous. and he has the mentality of a very young person. dennis murphy (voiceover): tibaudo asked bashara for a favor. help gentz find an apartment. bashara did and also hired gentz to work odd jobs at his rental properties and own home. so why was bashara suggesting police look at gentz? before anyone could figure that out, gentz was back, turning himself in just hours later and spilling his guts. in a police interview room about a job bashara had asked him to do.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): but gentz told detectives that bashara was persistent, then threatening. dennis murphy (voiceover): gentz spoke to the police over a period of two days. at times, the 6 foot 4 hulk lashed out in anger. dennis murphy (voiceover): but in a barely audible voice, he seemed to confess. dennis murphy (voiceover): and ultimately, he recounted to detectives in vivid detail what he said happened the night jane bashara was murdered.
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dennis murphy (voiceover): gentz said bashara let him into the garage, where they waited under the guise of moving boxes. when jane entered the garage, gentz said she started arguing with her husband. dennis murphy (voiceover): gentz said bashara pointed the gun at him. the implication was clear. dennis murphy (voiceover): did he tell you about killing jane? yep. he said he killed jane. dennis murphy (voiceover): gentz told detectives he put his boot on jane's
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neck to finish the job. dennis murphy (voiceover): gentz said he and bashara loaded jane's body into her suv and then gentz drove it to east detroit, where he ditched it in that alley. but if bashara had gotten his wife out of the picture that way, what was in it for gentz? dennis murphy (voiceover): $8,000 and a used cadillac. the price jane's life was worth to her husband. joe gentz's detailed confession had seemingly given detectives everything they needed to charge him and the man he implicated with jane's murder. and yet, 72 hours after he walked into the grosse pointe park police station, joe gentz
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walked right back out. marc santia: just when you think you know the bob bashara case, here comes another twist. here comes someone who walks in off the street and says, i did it. and then they're released. reporter 3: here it is, the exclusive new footage of the man we've called joe going free. dennis murphy (voiceover): authorities could not legally hold the uncharged gentz after 72 hours, so they cut him loose. and investigators wondered if they could trust the startling and detailed confession of a man with a clearly diminished mental capacity. dennis murphy: so you detectives are saying, do we believe this guy? is he telling us the truth of this awful story. you've got to corroborate it. we've got to corroborate it. dennis murphy (voiceover): the easily manipulated gentz had said he alone killed jane, but that he was acting on orders from bob bashara. detectives needed to prove that. so they examined the two men's phone records. mike narduzzi: between joe and bob from september to january 27th, there was a lot of phone calls. dennis murphy (voiceover): 472 phone calls, to be exact.
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on the day before jane's murder, bashara called gentz 22 times. mike narduzzi: including his first call of the day, he called him 10 times by 9:30 in the morning, the day before the murder. the day of the murder, the first call he makes is to joe. dennis murphy (voiceover): could the calls be dismissed as the day to day business chatter between a landlord and his handyman? not according to gentz, who had painted a picture in his police interview of an increasingly desperate bob bashara in the days leading up to jane's death. something big was coming, gentz claimed bashara told him, and bashara needed jane out of the way before whatever it was got there. dennis murphy (voiceover): what was the deadline bob was allegedly facing? reporter marc santia thought he knew. his interview with bob's girlfriend rachel was the key. rachel said, i had enough. i was fed up.
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for three years, he's telling me i'm a widow. i'm getting a divorce. i am divorced. she's like, finally, you have a deadline. that's it. i said, what did you say to him? she said, i told him there's a deadline. and i immediately thought of joe gentz in that garage. dennis murphy: this is that word again. everybody's got a deadline in this thing. what was her deadline? rachel didn't want to live in the land of make believe. do we have a relationship here or do we not have a relationship here? dennis murphy (voiceover): big bob had a choice to make. did he choose murder? coming up, detectives pound the pavement for forensic evidence. mike narduzzi: he told us that he was wearing these boots and that he got rid of the boots into a clothing donation box. dennis murphy (voiceover): when "dateline" continues. ♪ ♪ ♪
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