that does it for me today, but we're working on a big show for tomorrow night. senator-elect adam schiff will be my guest in studio. there's a lot to talk to him about. i'm looking for that conversation coming up tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. stay where you are because there's much more news coming up on msnbc. in moments, former congressman max rose has a lot to say about the prospect of

tulsi gabbard as pick for director of national intelligence. rose wrote this piece for msnbc about it. we have his thoughts coming up. very good day to all of you have msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to "alex witt reports." we begin with 57 days to inauguration day and donald trump has filled out his main cabinet picks with an announcement of brooke rollins as his pick for agriculture secretary and a new focus on pam bondi, trump's second choice for attorney general. msnbc reporting on her past statements. there's new reaction from democratic senator-elect adam schiff. >> will pam bondi continue to tell the big lie even under oath? is she going to continue to say the justice department should be prosecuting prosecutors who

brought valid evidence before a grand jury. grand jury found probable cause to believe donald trump committed crimes. that's not a basis to go after them. she'll have to answer tough questions. >> but republican senator eric schmidt says doj employees who investigated trump should be fired. >> i think accountability means the people involved in this should be fired immediately. anybody part of this effort to keep president trump off the ballot and to throw him in jail for the rest of his life because they didn't like his politics and to continue to cast him as a quote, unquote threat to democracy was wrong. you can't have the justice department abused in this way. pam bondi is a smart, capable, tough person who will earn respect in that department. also new today, more questions about telsey gabbard, trump's pick for director of national intelligence and the transition team skipping fbi background checks for its

nominees. ears democratic senator amy klobuchar. >> our job is to look at the fbi background check and to ask some questions to make sure they're fulfilling the mission of the department. in this case, i am concerned with all these nominees. i'm not singling her out. if we do not have an agreement for fbi background checks. as far as i know, the transition committee has not made that agreement yet. if they keep delaying on these background checks, we will have a delay in getting these cabinet officials in. i don't want to have a delay. >> and more debate over trump's choice for secretary of defense. here is combat veteran and democratic senator tammy duckworth and republican senator mullen. >> he never commanded a unit, he never commanded a company, let alone brigades or whole army. he was a platoon leader. he served a very low level in the military. we're talking about an organization that's 3 million

servicemen, women and civilians and a budget over $900 billion. he does not have the experience to run an organization that size. based on those requirements alone, he is unqualified for the position. >> he's a civilian, which that first is the only qualification that they have to have. if you want to go more than that, he served honorably in the service. he retired as a major. he's had a successful career since then. he can articulate what needs to be done and he knows the system. >> there's a lot to pore over this day. we have reporters and analysts in place ready to assess all these developing story lines for us. we'll begin with nbc's aaron gilchrist in west palm beach, florida. what are you hearing about the latest picks? >> reporter: well, alex, the president-elect's cabinet is built at this point. we know president-elect trump has named now all 15 people for cabinet positions that are in the presidential line of succession. the last nomination happening

last night. these are picks that could affect everything from the food that we eat to the taxes we pay to the medicines we take. president-elect trump choosing brooke rollins to serve the agriculture department. rollins, who runs a conservative think tank is an alum of trump's first term serving as director of domestic policy. the appointment coming after a barrage of announcements late friday night. the president-elect naming nine key appointees, most in two areas the new white house will be focusing on -- public health and the economy. >> come on up, scott. >> reporter: for treasury secretary scott bessent a major donor and economic adviser to the trump campaign. bessent expected to make good on trump's promises to cut taxes and raise tariffs on imports. >> and i let it be known that the tariffs will be about 100%. >> reporter: the president-elect also tapping oregon congresswoman lori

chavez-deremer, and russell vought. vought has written a president should take more control of the executive pranch. >> as an administration, the whole notion of an independent agency should be thrown out. >> reporter: trump picking a team of doctors to work with his choice for health secretary, robert f. kennedy jr. >> i'm going to let him go wild on health. i'm going to let him go wild on the food. >> reporter: the team to include dr. dave weldon for cdc director, fox news medical director, and johns hopkins researcher dr. makary to head the fda. all expected to be disrurp ptoro health. >> what is scary and dangerous to health is not rfk jr. it's the food pyramid lie that's been out there for 60 years. >> reporter: the president-elect also making former aide sebastian gorka senior on terrorism.

now, all 15 of the department heads that have been nominated at this point do have to go through the confirmation process. alex, we don't know when the confirmation hearings might start. we do know last time around for then president trump, at least 12 of his nominations for department heads for the secretary level positions were going through the confirmation hearings before inauguration day. we'll see if that happens this time around, knowing republicans have said they want to make sure to get these nominations in front of the committees that will handle them quickly and try to get the trump administration to get off the ground running. alex? >> aaron, thank you so much. we'll see you in the next hour. we're going to more on the law-making of the cabinet process. on aaron's last point, we don't know when confirmation hearings will start but there will be meeting with cabinet picks,

correct, on capitol hill before that? >> you're picking up where i would have. that's exactly right. we are already seeing the senate move at a faster pace than they did in 2017. we obviously saw several of the president-elect's picks come to the capitol, start to meet with senators, especially on those relevant committees. most recently we saw pete hegseth come to the capitol on thursday. he is the president-elect's pick to lead the department of defense. this is one of the biggest federal agencies. he'll have a lot of responsibility and certainly there are some concerns over the investigations and allegations that have taken place into him. and also this question of experience, as you heard from tammy duckworth in that byte you played earlier. and senators on the armed services committee will be looking into exactly that. take a look at what senator eric schmidt had to say, a republican on that armed services panel, so what he says matters. watch. >> i think that's why we have the confirmation process. senators will ask questions about it. they should. he has a right to answer. what he said so far is he did no

wrong. they're baseless. it's important to note the prosecutors didn't bring any charges. it will be interesting to see if there's any other memorandum from that prosecutor that go -- would go along with that prosecutor's decision not to charge pete hegseth. i think ultimately this is a decision that president trump made to bring in another disruptor. >> a disruptor, alex. those allegations stems from allegations from a woman who alleged that hegseth had sexually assaulted her, according to a police report. hegseth and his lawyer have said that investigation happened, there were no charges that were brought and so senate republicans for the moment are choosing to believe that, but to schmitt's point, there is a long road ahead of them for all of these nominees and potential picks, especially those that don't have as extensive as a record in public service. you can be assured with a margin of three republicans, 53 to 47 margin, plus that tie-breaking vote from vice president-elect

vance, trump is poised to get who he wants in his cabinet. >> okay. julie, thank you for being on the case there. appreciate it. also new today, senator duckworth raising further alarm the prospect of tulsi gabbard. here's what the senator said a short time ago. >> she is in in terms of the intelligence community very unqualified. plus she is potentially compromised and could be and is there questions about whether or not she is now a russian asset. >> you believe she could be a russian as russian asset? >> joining me is former new york congressman democrat max rose, also a combat veteran and serves in the army national guard whose thoughts are some trump picks are reflected in an msnbc article. tulsi gabbard is my friend. serving in trump's cabinet would be a grave mistake. let's talk about what tammy duckworth said. do you believe that she is

someone who is seen as potentially a russian asset? is she someone who could compromise u.s. intelligence? >> look, i think senator duckworth has access to information that i don't. so, i'm not here certainly to make any type of character critique of tulsi. my principle objection to what she is doing is the fact that i think she's chosen the wrong side to meet the objectives she's set out, which is to avoid war. look at what the maga movement is doing and going to be doing in a few short months. abandoning our allies, with exceedingly high tariffs, engaging in significant culture war within our military ranks which will sow division rather than unity focusing our military inwards on domestic issues rather than outwards at a time when we have unprecedented threats from nonstate actors as well as near-peer enemies.

that is not a plan to avoid war. that is a plan to get us into war. tulsi has made her entire career being anti-war. that seems totally contradictory and wrong. >> here's the thing. she's your friend. you know her in certain ways the public would not. is it conceivable to you that she could be a russian asset? that she could compromise u.s. intelligence? >> look, i find it difficult to imagine anyone i've ever spoken to on a friendly basis doing something like that, right? so, i think we all have been in situations where we can't imagine someone we know doing something completely opposite to our values of what we have collectively dedicated our lives to. but that is a piece of independent investigation. i do not have any information that would lead me to believe that but it's not to say that an independent investigation couldn't unveil something. but the point is about something much larger than tulsi. it is about a maga movement that

has won this past election on what was an anti-war thesis. this notion that elect us and we will avoid war. but what they're saying is we're going to abandon ukraine and avoid war? that is completely the opposite the truth. when we abandon ukraine, that is their plan, that will send a message to each and every one of our allies that the united states does not stand with them. that makes it more likely that young men and women in this country will be sent to war in the future. >> let's take a listen to senator mark wayne mullen who was defending gabbard. >> you have to keep in mind, tulsi gabbard is lieutenant colonel in the united states army. she commands a reserve upt here in oklahoma and missouri. it's the most dangerous thing she could say is united states lieutenant colonel is compromised and an asset of russia. >> here's the thing, does

commanding an army reserve unit automatically prevent someone from being a russian asset? >> i mean, he does make a good point, that there are some certain security checks and concerns associated with that. i'm in the military reserve at a rank lower than hers. of course, for different positions they require different levels of clearance, right? so, certainly i can promise you, assure you that to be the director of national intelligence requires a much more comprehensive security clearance as well as a security background check that to be a lieutenant colonel in the military reserve. the point still stands on a lower level basis, which is why i'm trying to draw this point to a much larger level. yes, tulsi has made her decision about which team she is on and which position she is seeking, but the point here is that the maga movement itself, the republican party itself is not the anti-war party. they are the party of destabilization. they are a party of attacking the very systems under which

peace has been built for more than a half century. that puts us all in danger and makes it much more likely that men and women in this country will be sent to war. >> what do you make of senator mullen, whom we played there, now blocking the promotion of a general? this was a general that was overseeing the troops in kabul at afghanistan withdrawal. we heard what former and soon to be again president trump has said about wanting to fire senior officers that were involved in the withdrawal from afghanistan. look, you served as a platoon leader in afghanistan, right? i'm curious your reaction to the senator blocking a general's promotion. >> these folks for years now have waged war against what they called a woke movement in the military. what they said -- >> does that exist? >> no. no. absolutely not. but they've talked about it nonstop. the reason they talked about it nonstop is because they thought generals all the way down were distracted.

distracted because of democrats. because democrats want to talk about unity and cohesiveness and diversity, things that make units far more effective and ready to go to war. but what this does actually, investigating generals for having abided the law and made tough decisions and following the orders of their civilian leadership, what that's going to do is change the very nation of civil military relationships. and every single time that a military officer at any level makes a question going forward, and their lives are riddled with tough decisions where you don't know what the right answer is, they'll be constantly worried about a future investigation and it's going to make our military much less effective. yet another example of how what they claim to be pursuing is exactly the opposite of the consequences of their actual actions. >> pete hegseth, defense secretary pick by president trump -- future president trump says he'll fight density in the military. what do you think of his

potential nomination? >> we have never seen, first of all, a nominee for the secretary of defense position less ready to take the job on day one, but also what's fascinating about this is we've never seen a nominee talk less about war fighting, talks less about preparing our military to engage with the enemies we have in the 2020s and 2030s. >> it's as if he's trying to talk about the culture, but the culture in the military is important, right? >> you know, when you go to war at any level, and i -- i deployed to afghanistan as a low-level infantry officer. i can tell you all you have is the men and women to the left and right of you. and all you have is your trust in them. and the more cohesive you are as a team, and they have coming from everywhere, all different ethnicities and backgrounds, the more cohesive that unit is, the more effective you are as way war-fighting team. what hegseth wants to do is make

everything a cultural third rail in the united states military. he doesn't care about making us a more effective war-fighting machine. as a department of defense. he actually right now cares about using the department as a tool for political warfare to advance the maga movement. that is so dangerous because the secretary of defense is an operational role. that's actually in the command hierarchy second only to the president of the united states. this is so dangerous. >> on a hopefully not dangerous question here, let me ask you this because it's about this headline. house member who represented staten island mentioned as possible dnc chair. what's your response to that? >> i've got to tell you, first of all, it's an unbelievable position that i hope the right person gets because the party needs to realign towards winning elections. we need to also elevate these unbelievable leaders that just got elected to the senate.

like slotkin. let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. there are probably cooler people in the running than me. my wife and i, we just recently adopted our second child, but what i will tell you is that whether it's with an organization that's done -- doing an amazing work that i currently advise that helped elect senators or in some other position in the party, i'm just really honored to be able to continue to help us build a better party for the future, win more elections, take back the house in '26 and take back the white house in '28. >> you're sounding like somebody who could be dnc chair to me. we'll see. we will see. and i should say, it's been about five years since you and i got to know each other. making that point earlier when you came in. i was your first interview. thank you. good to see you. meantime, we have new word today offering a fwlimer of hope for peace in the middle east. who said it and is it realistic? we're back in 90 seconds. ds 'p due to burning

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breaking news out of the middle east. the militant group hezbollah launching rockets into israel as the lebanese military says israel attacked it today. hall hole la gorani is with us. how is this affecting cease-fire negotiations? >> reporter: there was another israeli strike in central

beirut. those were rare in the past but they're becoming more and more frequent. the latest about 4 hours ago, killing 20 people in the central part of the city. this as you mentioned there, alex, hezbollah launching rocket fire into israel, in northern and central israel, reaching as far into the country as on the outskirts of tel aviv. we understand five people were wounded as a result of that barrage. you mentioned there are new hopes for a cease-fire. just a few days ago it appeared as though a cease-fire was literally within reach. we heard from the envoy to the region that a deal was within grasp. however, ever since we've seen those very deadly strikes by the israeli military in lebanon. some sticking points, including, according to western diplomats speaking to the ap, israel saying it reserves the right to resume strikes if it deems the other side violates any kind of

agreement. now, the incoming national security adviser for the trump administration, mike walz, was asked about the possibility for a cease-fire in the coming days and weeks. and this is what he said. listen. >> hamas has been devastated. iran is incredibly exposed at this point. so, i think now is a moment to craft some type of arrangement that not -- doesn't just put a pause for future october 7ths, truly bring stability to the middle east, sets the stage for what we saw just a few years ago with the abraham accords. >> reporter: of course, we have to be very cautious, alex, as you and our viewers well know, over the last year many times we have reported on statements from the biden administration and other officials across the region that cease-fire agreements both in gaza and in

lebanon were within reach, only for the war to pick up and for strikes to resume. so, we have to always be very careful, but the fact that the trump administration is telegraphing so openly the notion that they are capable of somehow coming to, you know, getting the parties around the table to agree to some sort of deal, could be, be i suppose, a sign that they are starting to apply president on the parties. certainly the people in the region would want nothing more as far as civilians are concerned for the wars to end both in the palestinian territories and in lebanon. back to you. >> 100%. let's hope that interpretation is right. thank you so much, hala gorani. bait and switch, is that how donald trump hopes to push through some of his most controversial cabinet picks? da? family cookouts! ♪♪ playing games! ♪♪ dancing in the par...

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fall into place, senators are gearing up to begin confirmation hearings on donald trump's cabinet, as republicans stand to have a slim majority and little room for error. >> i think president trump is picking reformers for these cabinet pictures. he campaigned on that and he's delivering on that promise. >> i think there's good things there and some things i can't vote for, but that's what happens when the other team wins. i don't understand why it's controversial to say, hey, we're going to engage in that conversation. >> in this case, i am concerned with all these nominees. i'm not singling her out.

if we do not have an agreement for fbi background checks. as far as i know, the transition committee has not made that agreement yet. >> with me now republican strategist susie del percio and david jolly, both whom are msnbc political analysts. susan, do you get the sense that matt gaetz was the sacrificial lamb so that these other picks, questionable as some may be, will now get approved because senators can say, hey, we did draw the line somewhere? >> not necessarily. what i think matt gaetz was a way of testing how far the former president and president-elect thought he could go. i don't think he did it as a sacrificial lamb. i think he was hoping he could get it through. but it didn't work out that way. i also think it shows a lot about how the president-elect's vetting process is going. it's been reported that the choice of matt gaetz was done

off the cuff. it wasn't done with the full thoughtfulness of the vetting committee, as weak as it is, in my opinion, because they are using private investigators to do background checks, which has just shown to prove completely inept. again, maybe showing off the worst he could get or maybe seeing how much more he could get away with. >> so, with your logic there at the beginning, does that mean you think there will be other picks that will not be confirmed? >> i do think there will be a couple of other picks that will not be confirmed. i think senator klobuchar was right about talking about those fbi background checks. those are essential. in my opinion, i don't see why the fbi can't start doing it now. the committees can request a background check on those if the agreement, the traditional agreement between an incoming administration is not reached. but the public hearings of these nominees are going to be brutal,

alex. it's not just going to be from democrats. the other thing worth noting is we have almost two months before these people would actually become serving in a cabinet. that's a lot of time to be out there and having people dig. >> so, david, in addition to allegations of sexual assault, which he denies, pete hegseth may have some other issues getting confirmed as defense secretary. in one of his books he wrote, if democrats won the election,there would be some form of civil war and the military would be forced to make a choice and then that book called for an american crusade, hegseth has a crusader tattoo, which is tied to white nationalist. he has said the cross is a symbol of his christian faith. in the book hegseth talks about defeating internal enemies. does all this make him too politically toxic to lead the military? >> it should in normal political times, but donald trump has nominated a team that reflects his personal ethos.

and i guess recent history has suggested that republicans, even republican senators, are often ready to back donald trump's personal ethos and the political journey he's taking the nation on. but that doesn't mean any of these people are qualified. so, just as the inspection of hegseth's fitness and record will occur at a hearing, so will the inspection of the fitness of republican senators because hegseth, everything you just said raises enough eyebrows that says why has this person even been selected. as max rose, he's wholly unqualified. he's talking about dei and other culture war issues. he's unqualified to serve. that in itself should bring pause for republican senators. i think the fact that gaetz is now out makes this harder for hegseth. i'm afraid he gets through because i think folks like lindsey graham will wrap themselves in the flag and say hegseth has 20 years of military service. he's also deeply rooted in

republican politics, including the koch brothers network. these are actually the hearings, to susan's point, that the nation needs to see. the nation needs to understand that when donald trump got elected, we get pete hegseth. >> the same question to susan. do you think there will be other -- i ask susan, but do you think there will be other nominations that don't get through? >> i don't know based on what we know now. truly, hegseth should probably be withdrawn at this point, but i think they're going to put the pedal to the metal and try to get him over the finish line. based sewly on the posture of democratic senators, i say this with disappointment, i don't see anyone else withdrawal. >> how about he plans to use the u.s. military to declare a emergency and have mass

deportation. will he have enough loyalists in the various departments to make this happen? >> i think the courts become one of the focal points of the first year or two of the trump administration. understandably, donald trump has reshaped the courts also in his image. but for democrats who are thinking, how do we handle this politically, how do we push back politically, the traditional levers are there. but in the first trump administration, the courts actually stopped a lot of donald trump's worst impulses. it made him go back and fine tune them and figure out how he made his wishes constitutional and try them a second time. but if he unleashes the military on domestic soil to engage in mass deportation, i suspect courts will immediately put a stop to that and we will see litigation over that for months to come. >> to that end, attorneys general in democratic states plan to take trump to court if needed to stop using the military for deportations. could some of trump's efforts get so tied up in court that they don't end up happening? >> absolutely. i just want to go back to

hegseth for one minute and highlight, i think his biggest stumbling block will be his position on women serving in combat in the military. we have women like joni ernst, who are republican senators who have served in those roles. i think that will actually be, if anything, one of the top things that take him down. as far as donald trump goes and the mass deportation, i kind of look at it more of the i will build a wall in 2016 and mexico will pay for it. mass deportation is going to be extremely difficult, expensive and to handle the logistics of it. i think he will do it in very small steps, first doing, frankly, w-hanging fruit for this administration which is to go after the criminals. he will do that and say he has started mass deportation. he will use the rhetoric to get there. he will do a stay in mexico policy saying i am stopping it

and i will get ready to do even more deportations. i think that, again, until we see what he does, we have to be a little tempered in what we say we're going to do. >> okay. susan and david, i look forward to seeing you guys again. happy thanksgiving to my extended sunday family. the great holiday getaway and how mother nature could make a big mess of it next. why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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to be a record-breaking week. tsa says, listen, we are prepared. the sunday after thanksgiving every single year is always the busiest day for air travel. let's take a listen to what the tsa administrator had to say. >> this year has been the busiest in tsa history. all ten of our top busiest days in our 23 years have occurred since the 24th of may of this year. >> we have seen record-breaking travel really since the lows of the pandemic and we can expect it to continue. this year about 5% more capacity is scheduled over thanksgiving week. >> reporter: one important thing to keep in mind is the faa is dealing with an air traffic controller shortage. they said that could impact travel in the new york city area. if you are flying through one of those airports, they might have to slow down air traffic.

nine out of ten will be traveling by road, which totals 71 million people. they say the best time to travel aaa, that is, would be before 1:00 a.m. monday through wednesday. if you're trying to return home on saturday or sunday, it's best to do it before 1:00 p.m. alex? >> okay. good advice. thank you so much for all of it. next it's a no-brainer move. why isn't donald trump doing it? some answers next. rump doing it? some answers next. it's hard to say who'll be more excited on the day after christmas.

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new backlash over president-elect trump's failure to agree to fbi background checks for his background picks. trump's efforts to skip the fbi role and using private companies for the vetting process, raising alarm among some democrats and the national security community. >> as far as i know, the tradition committee has not made that agreement yet. this has been something that's going on back to eisenhower days. when you look at some of the nominees and some of the issues with them, not all of them, but when you look at it, you have to be able to find out what went on. why wouldn't we get these background checks for the most important job in the united states government? security analyst, frank. welcome. can you answer that question that amy klobuchar posed, why wouldn't we get them confirmed or at least investigations from

the fbi? why not? >> with regard to asking that question of donald trump, the answer would be obvious, be careful what you ask for. you might get it. if you want an fbi vetting process that tells you risk and threat qualifications and competency and reputation, you're going to get it. and he may not like the answers. i think that's the chief reason he's avoiding it. with regard to why president biden or the senate judiciary might want to do this now, i do have an answer for that. the answer is they can do it. and i've done the research, wrote a column last week for msnbc daily on this topic, went back to dwight eisenhower, looked at the executive orders through history, through clinton, obama, looked at two pertinent member dums of understanding, between doj and senate judiciary, doj and the white house. really important, a transitional

act of 1963 that says a president can request nominee background investigations from the fbi when nominees' names are announced. what's my argument? the nominees names have been announced. if trump isn't going to comply with the existing protocols and practices, then we should comply with it and ask the senate and the white house to request it now. >> how commonly is that done? since you said the 1960s it's been able to, there was legislation that said go ahead and do this, but how often does it get done? >> yeah, again, no legislation passed by congress, that's one of those things you can add to the list, alex, a long list of things that need to get fixed because of the previous trump administration. still hasn't been fixed. we look at the intent of the executive orders and the intent is clear. the fbi has been doing this since dwight eisenhower. it's required to have a government background investigation for employment and

especially for security clearance, which all these nom nay knee knees will have to do, and if trump isn't going to do it, we have flying blind who won't have the classified files, intercepts, foreign entanglements, business transactions. a private firm can do none of that. >> i'm glad we went through that article you wrote on msnbc.com. anybody can look that up for themselves as well. one question with matt gaetz out of the picture, trump picked as pam bondi. bondi has a history of was indi times after leaving office, she said, quote, prosecutors will be prosecuted, the bad ones. any concerns about her being the top cop? >> i do. she's a real lawyer. she served for eight years as a.g. of florida. she's been a real prosecutor. nothing wrong with defending trump. everyone's entitled to a defense. she comes out of the chute as soon as her name is announced

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tomorrow the public will get a glimpse of the menendez brothers for the first time in years. they will appear virtually in court and may even speak as they fight for freedoms decades after killing their parents. dana griffin is joining me now from los angeles. welcome to you. what can we expect from this hearing? >> this is just a procedural hearing but it's drawing a lot of public attention. a lot of seats will be filled in the courtroom. any movement regarding the convicted killers' case has the public eager to get close to the action. anticipation high ahead of the menendez brothers' virtual court appearance tomorrow where they'll be seen on camera for the first time in years, but

what will we hear them say? public fascination fueled by several shows and documentaries about erik and lyle menendez who have been serving life sentences without parole for the 1989 shotgun killings of their parents, jose and kitty. >> i want it to stop. >> the brothers claim they acted in self-defense after erik said he suffered years of sexual abuse by their father. >> if, in fact, jose menendez was sexually abusing erik, that did not give him the right to kill his mother, didn't give lyle the right to kill his mother or father under the law. >> reporter: the brothers' attorney arguing new evidence proves their claims and had it been presented in court, it may have altered the jury's decision. >> the attitude is, it's been a roller coaster of emotion. >> reporter: renewed interest in the case prompting the court to set up a lottery system for 16 coveted seats inside the courtroom. >> what do you make of this?

>> it's reminiscent from the oj trial. >> reporter: before he lost re-election, the l.a. county d.a. recommended the brothers be resentenced and freed. successors addressing concerns. >> the menendez get no special treatment, they will get equal treatment. >> reporter: the family saying the public had a different view. >> it was not one of sympathy. they were viewed as monsters. >> reporter: the brothers have a couple avenues for potential release that ultimately lie in the hands of california governor gavin newsom. >> what matters is justice and fairness. >> reporter: it's worth noting that with the new district attorney getting sworn in on december 2nd, next month's resentencing hearing could be postponed if he wants more time to review the case. alex? >> thank you so much. appreciate that.