trial. >> reporter: before he lost re-election, the l.a. county d.a. recommended the brothers be resentenced and freed. successors addressing concerns. >> the menendez get no special treatment, they will get equal treatment. >> reporter: the family saying the public had a different view. >> it was not one of sympathy. they were viewed as monsters. >> reporter: the brothers have a couple avenues for potential release that ultimately lie in the hands of california governor gavin newsom. >> what matters is justice and fairness. >> reporter: it's worth noting that with the new district attorney getting sworn in on december 2nd, next month's resentencing hearing could be postponed if he wants more time to review the case. alex? >> thank you so much. appreciate that.

welcome to "alex witt reports." we begin with 56 days until inauguration day. new reaction today to pam bondi, trump's second choice for attorney general and her past comments about prosecuting prosecutes who investigated trump. here's democratic senator-elect adam schiff on fears he could be targeted for retribution. >> how concerned are you that you will be targeted by president-elect trump in the second administration? >> well, that's dictator talk. that's how autocrats talk. they want to make their political opposition an enemy, describe them in those terms. look, i'm not concerned about myself. i'm going to do my job.

i'm not going to have his threats intimidate me from doing so. >> a potential trump pick for a top position at cia or fbi, outlining what he sees as big threats facing the u.s. >> it's three-fold, the ccp, russia and iran. it's what they're doing in space, that is concerning. they have taken a leap. we need to take on the orbital landscape above the atmosphere to take on these threats. the cyber capabilities they are doing to us. >> meanwhile, republican senator rand paul on the sunday talk shows today is making his case against using the military to carry out the trump campaign's promised mass deportations. >> i'm 100% supportive of going after the 15,000 murderers, the 13,000 sexual assault perpetrators, rapists, all these people. let's send them on their way to prison or back home to another prison. so, i would say all points bulletin, all in, but you don't do it with the army because it's

illegal. i don't recommend to use the army but i would use the fbi, i would use i.c.e., border patrol. a new poll shows 59% of americans approve and 41% disapprove of how trump is handling his transition. here's democrat senator john put it -- john fetterman's comments. >> i like what i see in terms of being a very, very strong pro-israel. i'm a fan of my colleague from florida and i'm enthusiastically vote yes for senator rubio. and then, you know, with dr. oz, i mean, everybody understands that we ran in the same cycle and it got kind of ugly. and i don't have any kind of bitterness. and i just express i'm toep a dialogue to hear what he has to say about these things. >> we've got a number of reporters in place covering all of these new developments for us. we'll start with nbc's aaron gilchrist in west palm beach,

florida. aaron, trump's list of cabinet picks is pretty much done. who's been added and how is this happening so fast? >> you know, you're right. it is pretty much done, at least in terms of cabinet-level, secretary-level picks. we know all 15 of the traditional cabinet secretaries, the folks who would be in the presidential line of succession have all been named at this point for the new trump administration. the last one coming last night, the nominee for secretary of agriculture, you see her down there at the bottom of your screen there, miss rollins, who was also part of the first trump administration as domestic policy adviser. it's been less than a month since the election. already the transition team has been able to put in front of the president-elect, a list of people for each of these positions that we now have names for. he's been able to make selections. obviously in the case of the attorney general, he's made two selections ending up with pam bondi being the person that's likely going to go forward in this process.

it does seem as though this has moved very quickly. the idea we heard from republican senators who will be in the majority in the next congress is that the trump transition team and the republican party on the whole wants to be able to see the trump administration hit the ground running. to that end we know that people that have already been selected for key adviser roles, for example, national security adviser, those folks are doing some of the work already. congressman mike walz, the selection for national security adviser, has already been having meetings. he and other members of the incoming national security team met with the nato secretary-general here in florida on friday as did the president-elect to talk about some of the global issues of concern. we also understand that mike walz met with outgoing national security adviser, jake sullivan, to talk about some major international concerns out there, the war in ukraine, with russia, the situation in the middle east. i want you to hear a little bit of what mike walz had to say about this transition period.

>> i also want to be clear on one thing, jake and i -- jake sullivan and i have had discussions. we've met. for our adversaries out there that think this is a time of opportunity, that they can play one administration off the other, they're wrong. and we are hand in glove. we are one team with the united states in this transition. >> each of the secretary level folks nominated at this point will have to go through that confirmation process. at this point we don't know when confirmation hearings will start. each of them, though, as we said will have to go through that process. they'll be grilled by members of both parties when they go to the senate for those confirmation hearings and ultimately the idea is that the trump administration that's incoming will want as many of those people as possible in place as quickly as possible, alex. >> understandably so. thank you very much, aaron. don't go anywhere.

i have a few more questions for you in a few moments. joining us right now, we have nbc's julie tracking reaction on donald trump's cabinet picks. what have we heard about the confirmation chances of his recent picks? >> well, it seems like after matt gaetz withdrew his name for attorney general, the rest of the president-elect's picks have a much easier time, as aaron was laying out, toward confirmation. that includes his picks for even department of defense, which could be controversial in terms of the police reports we were talking about, alex, pete hegseth, that includes tulsi gabbard, who could be a little more controversial in terms of her views, of her time even in the house. she was a democrat. she switched parties very recently. and she had some interesting contacts as democrats would call them, problematic. republicans would say they have not heard directly from her enough to see how problematic those contacts could be. you also have republicans that are coming to her defense.

take a listen. >> if she was compromised, if she wasn't able to pass a background check, if she wasn't able to do her job, she still wouldn't be in the army. tammy absolutely dead wrong and she should retract those words. that's the most dangerous thing she could say, is that a united states lieutenant colonel in the united states army is compromised and is an asset of the -- of russia. he also got to remember, this is a new administration coming in. when people are criticizing his picks, the president has done this job before. knows exactly what he needs. he knows who he wants to put in those positions. that's how he's been able to move fast. >> that's senator markwayne mullin. he served for several years in the house with tulsi gabbard. he was on the house intelligence committee. he most recently was on the campaign trail with her stumping for president-elect trump, and gabbard and some of these other picks are people that would satisfy the trump base.

they would come into these agencies that would have a different view of how to handle things. they are people i've seen join trump on the campaign trail. so, that is the exact crowd of people that are going to have a harder time getting confirmed. that said, you will not see the kind of reaction you saw when matt gaetz was briefly nominated, this overwhelming sense that this is somebody that cannot lead that agency, that is not qualified to do so. all of these other picks, it seems as though senate republicans, who will have to have the votes to put these people in place, are at least willing to give them a chance and go through that confirmation process. >> i know you're sticking around. we'll bringing into the conversation axios political reporter steph kite and aaron is returning. the trump administration wants all of these people confirmed quickly. how realistic is that? >> we'll see once he gets going, as julie laid out some candidates have more questions around their roles, rfk jr.,

tulsi gabbard may have a little tougher of a confirmation process because of questions that are being raised on tulsi, some comments she made that seem to be defensive of russia that could cause concerns, and rfk jr., one issue could be some of his more conspiratorial beliefs he's had over the past several years. i've heard from republican sources who say his abortion stance could actually be problematic with some republicans. they are certainly looking to move as quickly as possible. we've heard explicitly from the incoming majority leader, john thune, he plans to work quickly and confirm as many as possible. one question here is how hard democrats work to kind of slow the process. there are procedural things that can be done to slow things down. that's one thing i'm looking for to see if democrats decide to pump the brakes. >> can you weigh in on trump's pick for defense secretary, pete

hegseth. is he going to make it to confirmation hearings despite his sexual assault allegations, which he has denied? >> i have spoken with sources who have familiar with some of the early meetings hegseth has had with republican senators and they have been impressive so far, is the sense i've gotten. there are certainly concerns about the sexual assault allegations. that is going to be the hardest thing for him to overcome. i spoke with senator markwayne mullin, who spent time meeting with hegseth recently before the break. and he said that he thinks they'll be able too get him through, but that he still has serious questions around the sexual assault allegations. is going to be the biggest challenge. we know senators are going to have questions. at this point the sense i've gotten in my conversations with senators and people on the hill is that they at least want to give these nominees a chance to go through the process, to answer questions and see where that lands them. >> here's why they have questions, aaron. there are reports the trump transition team was blindsided

by the hegseth controversy. what are you hearing about that? >> yeah, the reports like that are out there. and i think, alex, it does speak to perhaps the bigger question about vetting. that's something we heard particularly from democrats in congress about whether or how much some of these people were vetted before they were presented as options to the incoming president. we know that the transition -- the trump transition team, according to some republicans in congress has a vetting process. they've been looking into the backgrounds of some of these people who are now nominees but traditionally you would have fbi level investigations happening before you would see some of these people rise to the top and be named as nominees. you'll have people here who likely won't have huge problems. you take a look at marco rubio, for example, a sitting senator, someone who has been through these sorts of processes before. that might not be an issue. some of these other people who

might not have been active at the federal level or state level in some cases, if there hasn't been a deep dive into their backgrounds, what might a, for example, a democratic senator on one of these committees be able to dig up on their own and bring up as a question through the course of some of the confirmation hearings that, perhaps, the trump transition team not having done an fbi background check didn't know about? that's something that comes up in a confirmation hearing that could be televised, the public gets to see. those are concerns that someone who wants to see those people confirmed might have going into a process knowing that some of that deep dive vetting, perhaps, hasn't happened. >> yeah. so, julie, there were five gop senators who sank the gaetz pick. is there enough to sink gabbard or hegseth? if so, who are those senators? >> at least five. there were closer to 30 that i talked to that said those senators didn't want to get to yes. when gaetz withdrew their name, it was those five we were able

to name, including senator mullin, who spoke favorably about tulsi gabbard and pete hegseth and some of these other picks, susan collins, murkowski, mitch mcconnell who said he would never let a gaetz confirmation happen, and senator from utah is replacing mitt romney, so perhaps we could see him moving in that direction. romney never had a favorable relationship with trump, even when he was in office in his first term. so, i think you'll have a little bit of a different reality here when it comes to matt gaetz and when it comes to some of these other folks. gaetz had investigations, he had baggage with the department of justice, with the house ethics committee, but he also in the words of some senate republicans destroyed the house. he kicked out or led to the ousting of kevin mccarthy. he served with some of these republicans who have now senators, including john curtis, the new senator we're talking about, in the house. it's a little different situation than when you're talking about people like pete hegseth and rfk jr. steph brings up a great point about abortion. that could turn some republicans

off. you have someone like lori chavis-demers. you have trump loyalists, people that do work across the aisle of newcomers into the space and certainly senate republicans, as steph point out, they want to get to yes on those folks because trump wants them to get to yes very quickly. >> steph, good point to say. a number of these cabinet picks have spent time on fox news air waves, pete hegseth, sean duffy, and tulsi gabbard and dr. janette, who have been fox contributors. is trump picking these people because of their experience or because he's familiar with them and he thinks they're telegenic and on the right network? he seems to limit his pool of options with that approach. >> there's no question that fox

news has been a network that has been a place people go and audition for the former president, now the president-elect. it's no secret that trump watches fox very closely, especially some of those morning shows. it's something that he regularly would call into during his first administration, for example. we also know that trump does like the idea of choosing people who are going to present his image, his maga world view on tv. it's part of his performer mentality and something he prizes. this goes back to his first administration as well. we know he prizes people who will be loyal to him, who are going to be representative of his very unique brand of politics and we see that in every one of these choices. when you look at his politics, it's surprising he would choose someone who does have a pro-abortion background, for example, or a pro-union congresswoman to lead the labor

department. there is a certain brand, a certain image trump prefers. he wants people to present his ideas, represent maga, represent himself in a way that he finds to be impressive. >> okay. steph and julie and aaron, thank you all so much. on the road again, but it won't be an easy ride for many of you. the reason why in 90 seconds. swiffer sweeper dry* traps 2x more dust and hair for a clean even mom approves of. nice reach! brooms can just push stuff around, but swiffer grabs dirt and even traps the hair. swiffer. the mother of all cleans. love it or your money back! regina king is in our studio looking radiant as ever. don't cover up your glow. ♪♪ flawless. all eyes on you. skin esteem is a beautiful thing. ♪♪ ♪(voya)♪ there are some things that work better together. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings.

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right now nearly 80 million americans are getting ready to travel over this thanksgiving holiday. the tsa expecting to screen 18 million plus at the nation's airports. but developing storms are threatening to clash with holiday plans this week. let's bring in nbc's priya from atlanta's hartsfield airport. where they are seeing an all-time high in holiday travel this season. >> reporter: i'm at the world's iest airport so it's always kind of crowded here. this week is expected to be record-breaking. as you mentioned, 80 million americans traveling 50 miles or more away from home for the thanksgiving holiday. the vast majority of them, 71 million will be traveling by car. 5.8 million will be traveling by air. but the tsa says, listen, we are prepared. they've had the ten busiest travel days on record for the past 26 years, ever since they started collecting this data

since may 24th of this year. let's take a listen to what transportation secretary pete buttigieg said about the holiday week ahead. >> tsa is expecting a potentially record-breaking holiday travel season. if recent experience is any guide, these will likely be some of the busiest travel days in u.s. history. >> we project our busiest days in terms of passenger volumes to be next tuesday at 2.8 million passengers across the entire system of 433 airports. next wednesday at 2.9 million passengers. and then the sunday following thanksgiving, which is always our busiest day, it's the busiest day of the year typically in passenger travel, that will be a day that will have more than 3 million passengers. >> reporter: right now we are seeing the most delays and cancellations at l.a.x. and denver airports. the west coast has been dealing with severe weather with getting months of rain in a matter of four days. northern california has gotten

flooded overnight. that's definitely impacting travel. we're expecting, unfortunately, more of it to come in the days ahead with rain hitting the northeast, which could impact travel hubs like new york city, boston and washington, d.c. as i mentioned, 71 million people taking to the roads. the good news there is gas prices are at a low right now. lower than this time last year with $3.05 a gallon. so, if you are planning to hitting the roads, be prepared for some potentially traffic congestion, especially if you're in the atlanta, boston and chicago areas, alex. >> thank you for the heads up on all that, priya. same as it ever was. next we'll talk about this article, sharp elbows and raised voices, inside trump's bumpy transition. ansition (vo) this holiday, verizon will turn your old or broken phone into a gift. anyone can trade in any phone, in any condition and get samsung galaxy s24+,

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let me set the record straight. are people born wicked? or do they have wickedness thrust upon them? oh! -ah! [ laughter ] no need to respond. that was rhetorical. hm, hmm. new reaction from senators on the sunday talk shows to donald trump's choice of pam bondi for attorney general after matt gaetz withdrew from conversation. bondi facing scrutiny for her views on the 2020 election and trump's legal troubles. >> will pam bondi continue to tell the big lie even under oath? is she going to continue to say that the justice department should be prosecuting prosecutors who brought valid evidence before a grand jury, grand jury found probable cause

to believe donald trump committed crimes. >> i don't see any evidence of that kind of retribution, but if this is it a person against that agenda, that's clearly not just trump's agenda, is america's agenda, then they should step aside and say, hey, let america be america. >> joining me now, we have vice president of political strategy at crooked media and former representative, republican from california -- rather, florida, carlos carbello, also an nbc analyst. you looked chill with your hoodie. it might be california. it's good to see both of you. i'll start with you, because pam bondi said on fox news last year, prosecutors who charge trump with crimes, they were part of the deep state. here's the quote, that the department of justice, the prosecutors will be prosecuted, the bad ones. during your confirmation hearing you have to wonder, can she reassure senators, with whom she'll be conversing, and at the

same time put a message of loyalty to donald trump? can she do that effectively? >> i think it's going to be really hard to do both of those. we know donald trump will watch those confirmation hearings and he's going to want to see her continue to say that the 2020 election results were not real and continue to say that she's going to go after these prosecutors. i think a lot of people will probably excited when matt gaetz stepped down. she doesn't seem to have the baggage of, you know, sleeping with underage women, but she does still have the baggage of wanting to act on the things donald trump wants her to act on, which is to go after his enemies. i think it's the same threat as matt gaetz. i don't think she'll be able to balance that well. >> but the fact that she's perceived as having a far greater level of competency in the role sdshgs that make her scarier? >> that does make her scarier? i think she's going -- i think when she's in those confirmation hearings, she will be able to kind of play theater with republicans asking her questions that seem hard-hitting but aren't actually. i think it's going to be important for democrats to really ask the tough questions and not let her skirt around

those answers. >> carlos, look, you're from florida. you probably know pam bondi. some democratic senators have expressed concern about her being a election denier in 2020 and what she said about prosecutors being prosecuted. is re-xamping the 2020 election and chasing prosecutors what the american people voted for? >> that's not what the american people voted for, alex. in fact, that's something that americans have rejected in many elections. many candidates have supported that kind of dishonesty have lost. we especially saw that in 2022. so, this is going to be a high-wire act for pam bondi. she's definitely someone who is qualified. she served as attorney general in the state of florida and compared to the gaetz nomination, she does benefit from that contrast, but i think a number of republican senators have sent the message there's no

carte blanche for donald trump nominees. she really has to meet donald trump's demands for loyalty and also answering these questions honestly, otherwise she may risk not getting confirmed. >> let's talk about tulsi gabbard, trump's pick. she was briefly put on a watch list earlier this year based on her foreign travel patterns, connections potentially as well, triggered an alert. she was quickly taken off that list. we should say that. there is at least one member of congress who has inquired to the tsa saying, hey, this is extremely troubling. do you think this comes up in hearings? do you think there's any chance she does not get confirmed? >> it definitely will come up in her confirmation hearings. the fact she was even put on that list, even if she was taken off is a huge red flag. our national security agencies are doing what they need to do to protect us and for some reason they thought she was a

risk to that. >> morning on.hang on. do you think political pressure can have her taken off that list? >> i wonder why she was taken off if she was put on in the first place? i would be interested in seeing what the larger explanation of for why she was taken off that list. for some reason, i do think she'll manage to make it through confirmation. i hope i'm wrong but someone like matt gaetz being pulled down, there's a lot of conversation around the sexual assault allegations around hegseth. i think those are things easier to point out as risks but calling tulsi gabbard a russian agent is not something to be easily communicated to the american people without some tangible evidence. >> carlos, former congressman dave wheldon has been named to lead the cdc. wheldon has criticized the cdc, spread the false claim that vaccines cause autism.

then you couple that with rfk jr. being picked as secretary of health. are there concerns whether the health department will be ready for the next pandemic as well as the continued spread and impact of covid? >> i think there are definitely concerns, alex. what i'll also tell you is i don't think these nominees are in jeopardy like, for example, hegseth and gabbard because although they have said some very controversial things when it comes to vaccines, at least rfk seems to have walked those back saying he's not going to interfere with vaccine policy. i'll tell you, there's, i've noticed, a sense of curiosity and willing to challenge conventional thinking by a lot of americans when it comes to food and drugs in this country. so, i think those nominees, even though they're going to face some very tough questions -- depending on their answers, i do think there's a higher tolerance

for a little more aggressiveness in terms of the nature of nominees when it comes to u.s. food and trug policy. >> let's get to what "the washington post" writes about trump's transition team. and it goes like this. his team has returned to the patterns of his first term in office with shouting matches, expulsions from meetings and name calling all between the public celebrations and rocket ship photo opes. we have talk the about the trump transition team being more prepared this time around, more organized and the like, but the question is, could it fall to in-fighting, you know, as it has before? >> yeah. i actually think that's going to be what brings down any of the efforts that donald trump has continued to put forth. the ones that scare us the most. if they don't move forward, it's not going to be because they had some change of heart. it's going to be because of the in-fighting. donald trump's easily excitable.

he's easily distracted. i think a lot of people around him know that. we've heard many reports before when he likes when people under him are fighting with each other to prove they are -- to prove they should be the top dog in his eyes. someone that's been interested, and if i could get into his brain a little bit, is jd vance be. he has changed himself to be what donald trump wanted so he could become the vp nominee. and he's -- you know, he's been quiet. so, i'm curious to see if he's doing anything. if he really wants to be trump's right hand, he has to break through a lot of craziness and chaos. >> yeah. you want to comment on this question as well, carlos, whether in-fighting might derail the calm that seems to be at least on the surface with the trump transition? >> susie wiles, chief of staff, is an agent of -- in trump administration. at end of the day, trump's dna

is his dna. that's impossible to edit. trump's dns is dna of chaos and disorder and we'll we're going to see controversies, we're going to see people hitting at each other. that's not going to go away. i think susie, i know her from florida politics, will be able to curtail some of that. but at the end of the day, this is going to be trump 2.0 similar to 1.0, except there's no re-election campaign ahead of him to keep him restrained. everyone buckle up. >> good advice. carlos, enjoy what appears to be your corner of paradise and thank you for coming in io. new warning today from the rest of the world from one of donald trump's cabinet picks. ets but also want whiter teeth, they have to make a choice- one versus the other. new sensodyne clinical white, it provides 2 shades whiter teeth as well as providing 24/7 sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf.

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escalation in ukraine as the biden administration rushes to bolster that country's firepower before donald trump takes office. in the past week it allowed ukraine to use u.s.-provided long-range weapons to strike deep inside russia, an additional $275 million in new weapons, including anti-personnel land mines, and forgave $5 billion, nearly, of ukrainian debt, and it hit one of the last major unsanctioned russian banks. this morning president-elect donald trump's pick for national security adviser says he's working closely with his counterpart in the biden administration during the transition. >> i also want to be clear on

one thing, jillian, jake sullivan and i have had discussions, we've met. for our adversaries out there that think this is a time of opportunity, that they can play one administration off the other, they're wrong. and we are -- we are hand in glove. we are one team with the united states in this transition. >> joining me now, democratic congressman from illinois, mike quigley. he's our good friend and co-chair of the congressional ukraine caucus. he also hits on the house appropriations committee. it's good to see you here. so, donald trump, he has certainly criticized u.s. support for ukraine and biden's move to allow kyiv to us u.s. weapons on russia. are you as optimistic as your colleague about the administration working as a team during this transition? >> i'm very concerned with what the trump administration will or won't do there. i was there just days before the election for the fourth time in

a 1,000-day-war. the concerns, even the best of situations with u.s. help, is a manpower question. the ukraine is one quarter the size of russia and putin is willing to use his soldiers as cannon fodder. that's tough enough as it is. the gap in funding that took place because my republican colleagues delayed that additional supplemental for months has created another disadvantage. and nothing president trump as candidate has said has given me any optimism that he will pass the supplemental or do what's necessary to help ukraine win the war. >> that delay you just mentioned, with the major moves by the biden administration talking about in ukraine this week, why did the president wait until now to take these measures? are you concerned about russia's reaction to allowing ukraine to strike the country with u.s. weapons at this point in the war?

>> the first part, it's been a problem throughout the war. there's no one outside of ukraine who deserves more credit for the war going as well as it has for ukraine than president joe biden. he united nato, he made sure the funding was there. you touch on a point that has been a sore spot, and that is, whenever there was requests for long-range artillery tanks, f-16s, the ability to strike into russia, the biden administration said, no, no, and then finally yes, which i think put ukraine at a bit of a disadvantage. nothing like a trump administration would. and this war is still winnable. >> more than 160 countries banned the use of anti-personnel land mines because of the risk to civilians. even though the u.s. is not a signatory to that treaty. and the mines it will provide to ukraine, they are supposed to deactivate after some time. was this an appropriate move? just because russia is using them, does that mean the u.s.

should set aside its own principles? >> look, it's a brutal decision and i think one that had to be made. it goes back to what i just said. when the manpower is four to one and you're facing not just a loss of your country, but i saw firsthand in bucha, i stood on a mass grave, i saw what putin is capable of doing and the war crimes that the russian army has committed and will commit and what the loss of ukraine and the threat to nato and eastern europe and ultimately to the united states means, a very difficult decision, but one think they had to make. >> so, donald trump has pledged to end the war. he says he can do it on day one. could biden's efforts help put ukraine in gains that are made both inside russia and regaining property that has been occupied by the russians would help. it gives them some sense of satisfaction. but the bottom line is, there's

no way in the world you can do what the president-elect is talking about and not give putin a victory. and it does nothing to guarantee the insurance -- the security guarantees that would have to be put in place. all the other questions. who's going to hold russia accountable for war crimes? who's going to help rebuild a multitrillion dollar job, rebuild ukraine? and the fact is, if you give them the land that they occupy currently, you're rewarding this kind of behavior. autocrats, aggressive military people across the world will look at this and say, see, you can be rewarded if you do this. and there's absolutely no accountability. >> we are rewarded for your presence on the show. happy thanks giving. the new move by alex jones over the sale of info wars next. . w febreze car vent clips? the new intensity dial gives you total control. i can turn it up...

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onion, you, all of the sandy hook families decided to bid on infowars? we understand the onion did not have the money to buy it outright but many of you chose to forego any money won in the lawsuit against alex jones, put it towards this purchase. so, what happened? >> no, exactly. we from the very beginning, this was always our goal. we wanted to make it as hard as possible for alex jones to spread the harm and the lies that he has done and what he's inflicted on people, not just me or sandy hook families, but millions of people. and so it was never about the money. we proved that with this. we were willing to give up everything we needed to give up to ensure that jones and his allies weren't able to enable jones to continue doing what he does. >> so there's this hearing this week that will determine if the bid will be accepted by the judge overseeing the sale. so, if it goes through, what does that mean for you and the families? does this bring -- is it vindication? is it a sense of at least

partial closure for you? >> it does mean a lot. this has been a long road. there's been many times i've questioned, like, our -- what does victory even look like here? so, the idea of jones building this empire for 30 years and gathering this following and the power and the money that he's been able to garner from all of this, the fact that that's going to be taken away from him, because we feel confident we're on great legal standing to win this bet -- i mean, this auction, so it's a big deal because it does show that we stood up to a big bully, we were able to prevail because we relied on the truth. and just actually show that jones doesn't give anything to anybody that listens to him. he bilks them for tens puts red into their hearts and we're happy to be a part to make it

harder for him to do in the future. >> it's been compared to david and goliath, do you agree? >> i don't know. because, you know, for me on a certainly note, this was about me reclaiming a lot of things i felt like, one, were taken away from me and things i had given up. i joined the lawsuit because i realized the way i responded to jones and the people that hated me and attacked me and threatened my family was to retreat inside of myself. and i gave up a lot. and i missed out on a lot of things. it took a long time of for me to recognize that and a lot of work for me to get to a point where i felt like i could fight back. this was about doing that for myself. it was about doing it for emily and my family. so, that's what i'm most proud of. >> well, the reason i know about that is because i've read a lot of your book. we're going to turn to that now. you start the book by walking with your wife through the peaceful surroundings of the

sandy hook memorial. it is a place, ironically, where you can hear the playground shouts, the laughter of all the current children at the school, all the while carrying this unimaginable pain of the vicious and cruel tax around what happened december 14th 12 years ago. and then you walk the reader through that day. what do you want readers to experience reading it? >> it's a beautiful question. what i want them to do is understand that, yes, my story is unique and it's crazy, it's out there. even writing it i'm reminding myself i'm writing about all of this stuff. i'm writing about myself. this isn't a work of fiction. people feel like they might not be able to relate to me or connect with me in a certain way. i want them to be with me in a very uncomfortable place long enough to understand we have so much in common. and ultimately what i'm talking about is hope and healing. i disconnected from myself. i lost, i felt like, so much. i was suffering silently. there's so many people that suffer silently through the

worst things that are happening to them. and i just want them to know, i'm here for you. if you can read my story and connect to it, you can find a way to bridge the gap and find connection for yourself and find hope and healing and that's what really sharing the story is about for me. >> you know, you said in an interview for "time" magazine, by the way, conducted by a survivor of the parkland school shooting, that you don't want all these disgusting things people said about emily to get to you. have you gotten past that? i mean, how do you rise above that? zoom >> i took it back. again, emily died and immediately we started getting attacked and people were saying these horrible things about her and about our family and about me. and so, i was scared. and i was acting a lot from this place of fear. i was so angry at what these people were doing. and as her father, over time, i started to feel so much shame because i felt like i wasn't protecting her. i didn't protect her. she was killed. i wasn't protecting her memory. and i didn't realize that that

power was within me to be able to stand up and take it back. so, when i was able to do that, one moment in court facing jones, realizing, he didn't have that power ever. and he gave it up. and i was there to reclaim it. that's -- that is what i was there for. >> gave you the power. i don't want to let you go without having you tell me about emily, because she would have been able to vote, by the way, in the election this year, but by your description in this book, i think she might have been studying art or some sort of a creative endeavor. what do you carry with you every day about her? >> you know, i've been able to talk about her a lot. she's been on my mind a lot through different interviews and stuff i've been doing. i realized one thing i missed the most was the love that she, i talk about that a lot, the love she had and she gave. but she was able to feel so hard. and she was able to express what she was feeling inside and share that with you. and that's something that i really, really struggle with. and so, that example in my life

and what she taught me and showed me and how comfortable she made me feel in my own skin, that's what i miss the most about her. and she was gray loved hard and wasn't afraid to show it and share it with you. >> it's a beautiful sentiment. it is a beautiful book, everybody. here it is "a father's fight." just remarkable. thank you for joining me. i wish you a very blessed and wonderful thanksgiving. thank you, robbie. >> thank you, alex. you too. >> we'll be right back. right bak you need sinex saline from vicks. just sinex, breathe, ahhhh! what is — wow! sinex. breathe. ahhhhhh! philip: when your kid is hurting and there's nothing you can do about it, that's the worst feeling in the world. kristen: i don't think anybody ever expects to hear that their child has cancer. it's always one of those things that happens to somebody else,

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