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on this new hour of ayman, trump goes after the fourth estate yet again. plus, who or what can keep the incoming president from turning the doj into his personal law firm. let's do it. since trump entered politics, he has attacked immigrants, muslims, haitians, democrats basically anyone who wasn't 100% down with maga .

there is one group he seems to despise above all, journalists. not tv personalities, part cast -- podcast hosts, those who hold him in power like him, they helped expose assault allegations against him over the years and in just the past week it was real journalism. we have heard him attack the press for years, that is not new. you have heard historians talk about how attacks like these are over the dictator playbook they're going to phone records, you take the writer and/or the publisher of the paper and you say, who is national security?

they say we are not going to tell you they said that's okay you're going to jail and when this person realizes he's going to be the bride of another prisoner very shortly, you will say i would very much like to tell you exactly who that was, for the enemy of the people they are, they are the enemy, i don't want to say it they are the enemy of the people and someday they are not going to be the enemy of the people i hope. >> trump knows he can't sway real reporters who take their job seriously, he has cozied up to par right media personalities like tucker carlton, the type who will repair his agenda here giving the billionaire unprecedented access to his administration. now he is moving to get ahead

of the game in the legal sense. trump is not happy about a piece of legislation called the protect reporters from exploitative spying act or the press asked, he said on socials, republicans must kill the bill. the ceo of the committee had this to say. >> we know that trump is interested in going after whistleblowers, it is absolutely essential that they are protected and that journalists are protected and journalists are allowed to do their job. >> the press act of course is all about filling in a major gap in protecting journalists, it would block the fbi and other agencies from using subpoenas to figure out who leaked information by going after reporters or even any services they may have used. basically would help journalists protect their sources without the fear of being thrown in jail for simply doing their job. the bipartisan bill already passed the house unanimously

this year. many of trump's allies support the bill and at one point even tucker carlson actually endorsed it in an interview. this is one of a few things many republicans and democrats were on the same page about. protecting the first amendment and stopping overreach when it came to journalism. in the past, they have slammed presidents from both parties. take for example in the bush administration center reported -- reporter jailed for not giving up the name of a resource. trumps outburst wednesday may have tracked all the bipartisan work done even though the house backed press act is now looking unlikely to make it through the senate before the session ends. it only takes one senator wasting time to push this off until next year when we know what happens. republicans take control of

congress. with so many republicans scrambling to prove their loyalty to donald trump it is worth pausing to think about where america is heading especially when trump takes cues on how to treat the press. this year the u.s. ranked 10 spots lower in press freedom than it did in 23. just today israel, a major u.s. ally that receives billions of dollars in american tax paid money sanction one of its largest running newspapers because the government simply did not like it's reporting. trump is doubling down on media tax. it shows how he has refined his tactics his last chair. the pushback on the bill is likely just the beginning. jody ginsberg joining me now, jody it is great to have you back on the show. >> trump singled out your pbs

news hour next week -- last week. how important is this bill for the safety of journalists? >> it is really important, there is no federal level. 49 states have some kind of protection for journalists and their sources to protect those sources so that we have access to information in the public interest. to think about public interest like flint michigan and the toxins and you think about stories about individuals like the republican senators and the democratic senators, all of that is essential that we protect them because, this is had bipartisan support this has

had bipartisan support from the beginning it just needs to pass the senate but now it needs to -- now looks like it won't end without it, we may see many more journalists subpoenaed to give information about the exposes into all sorts of wrongdoing and corruption at all kinds of levels. >> i mentioned that reporters without borders, what has been the state of journalism like here for the last few years. we have seen journalists get arrested during black lives matter protest. what is the trend that you have been seeing? >> we have seen a huge spike in online harassment of journalists.

we are seeing an increase in the number of legal threats against journalists. this isn't about the mainstream media as trump likes to call it. the small local newspapers that do not have the resources to fight back against the spirit legal threats brought back by officials and that is where most people get their news and information. >> say he gets his party to kill legislation, how can they protect themselves from an administration that is called them the in any -- enemy from within. what is journalism look like in your opinion? >> the next four years looks

like one in which we expect journalists to have to significantly increase their resources to protect themselves against legal threats we are seeing a number investing more significantly in digital security, physical security. certainly starting to build funds the times of potential threats that we know, we are likely to see not just from him but from administrations across the country so i think it's one in which we can expect journalists to be fighting on many more fronts that is essential for all of us to live our everyday lives and at the same time we can expect a continued flood of miss and disinformation that tries to make the space one in which is very difficult for people to

understand what they should trust who they should trust and what it even looks like. >> one of the leading and oldest newspapers in the country, israel has also killed dozens of journalists in gaza censoring critics of the war, you advocate against actions like these and dedicate your career to it. with both of them in power at the same time, just give me a reaction to what you see happening in that country with the developments today in israel. >> this is the latest in what has been systematic to center the media and information coming out of gaza and information from palestinian journalists and now from journalists in israel. as part of a pattern of

journalists being killed, journalists being arrested. and of course as we've seen from israel, they were rated in the west bank which is one of the few papers, in israel that has been reporting independently with great clarity on what's happening inside gaza. >> jody, thank you so much for joining us and the work that your organization is doing. >> next up, who and what can save the doj from donald trump?

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>> the person involved should be fired immediately. anyone part of this effort to keep president trump off the bell and to throw him in jail for the rest of his life because they didn't like his politics was wrong, we will see where that goes. >> empowering the president- elect which is quite honestly concerning that's what trump is actually looking to do. there to be protected from retribution with trump's inauguration around the corner, there wondering if there's anyone who can truly protect the doj and its integrity from

trump, someone like a todd blanche might be that person, he is seen as someone who speaks fluent trump, many people to know what that is. many people close to him say his past work gives him an understanding of the doj's traditions hayes brown joining us now and host of the fast politics podcast for vanity fair. great to have you with us, what you make of this reporting? maybe because he is familiar with the doj may be able to as i said speak trump and layoff going after these people.

>> he knows with the rules and regulations are and what they should be. defending his client from being prosecuted, we want defense attorneys to get that without being penalized for actually doing their best to get the client off, but part of their system. when you do look at some of the filings that he helped produce in that role, that is where things are very upsetting, don't forget todd blanche wasn't just on the lawyer for the manhattan trial, he was one of the lead lawyers for the immunity case, it is his name on the coursing donald trump was just doing his job as president after the 2020 election, he is fine, everyone be chill about this. the idea that he will be

someone who will be saying, actually now that your president again, forget everything i just wrote, that feels like a leap. >> there's wishful thinking if you will some optimism that they were saying is probably unwarranted given the fact that todd blanche is not actually -- i can't think of one off the top of my head >> trump picks up people in the cabinet for different reasons and he is as good of a reason for a trump cabinet pick. this is all insane with deposit sensei, this is not her cabinets are supposed to be picked. it is completely insane. at least this when compared to others, blanche did defend him because he believed in the

rights, beloved prosecuted for criminal crimes, you do in a sense really see a good motive behind this, it is worth reminding people that role, had reputation for being nonpartisan. rosenstein at the time told nbc news that blanche would be up against challenges based on his experiences that trump was, quote, very hands-on. he is going to be all up in his business. >> they did he's going to stick his neck out and really try to

do whatever trump orders especially when it comes to him telling whoever becomes confirmed, i want you to open a criminal case against the person. when whatever that is tells todd blanche do you really think he's going to say no thanks, i'm going to resign and i'm going to throw all of it away immediately the second that i give it an order that is wrong. >> we have said that trump has learned from 2016 he now knows a little bit more about the leaders of power he knows who does what, you probably didn't know any of this in 2016 he came up against people who said no mr. president, you can do

that. >> i would say that trump is trump. yes there are a lot of republican think tanks that are very excited about this, they still don't have a ronald reagan. they have someone who considers cannot be a part of the republican brand. there going to come up against a lot. weaving solid with the mac gates apartment. >> everything i was going to flag was this reporting from the washington post the donald trump is playing, looking in battle ground states that there was fraud in the 2020 election.

not the 24, but the 2021. >> that would be hilarious the best case scenario as he gives the order, they find exactly the same as everybody else which is nothing trump gets mad about it they go and do it again and still find nothing usable. the road that diverges there do they just give up on it or do they say, we are going to just arrest and bother people who we have no evidence committing any crimes in 2020 that is the big question that we just don't have the answer to yet. >> a lot of people want to know what is matt gaetz going to do

, we are all waiting to find out if he's going to run for governor of florida. we have some new reporting tonight that he has been busy doing videos on cameo. he is charging a minimum of $550 a half in length. are you going to get a mac gates cameo? >> i'm not going to give him any of my hard-earned money. >> why is he doing cameo for $500? >> this is trump in a nutshell. >> to you know, this is not surprising. >> him not going to congress is very funny to me. i think you going to cameo makes sense because he is someone without attention may

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paired with trump's proposed department called doge for short. the duo revealed what that actually means in the wall street journal while they will not work in any official government capacity. they say there department intends to work with employees in identifying the minimum number of employees required to perform. they would also cut costs by targeting international organizations and progressive groups. they also floated the idea of requiring all workers to be in, american taxpayers shouldn't pay them for the covid era privilege of staying at home. >> they believe they can make the government fully efficient.

>> do we know how to pronounce this acronym? doge? it is basically a meme . give me your thoughts, you have the provision privilege. millions of lives saved and costs millions of lives around the world, hardly something to be labeled as a covid era privilege. >> part of the anger of people being able to work remotely is the idea that people aren't being forced to move to a certain area to work, the idea that people who work from home are lazy when really it's people who are able to do their jobs and do it well based on the technology that we have now you think something people --

some people think this is much more efficient and saving a lot of money by people work remotely have a smaller salary living in d.c. because it is cheaper out there. >> imagine the real estate you could save if you don't necessarily have to have everybody in the building when everybody can work in all parts of the country and save billions of dollars on governments -- >> so far this is not part of the government, the whole name is just broken. >> we think happens when they say they want to go over to the pentagon >> republicans are known to cut defense spending. most of the federal budget is servicing the debt that is a lot of it. we have seen these elon musk and his people saying we're going to need austerity, that is only way to get these tax cuts that we must have is for

you guys to not get stuck that you have been getting for a long time, this is completely, the fact that marjorie taylor green has been put in charge of this is just like amazing. >> and aoc was just like this is the best thing ever, she never does the work and never does the reading. >> it has no legal authority and people have criticized both ramaswamy and musk for having a meme level but the problem is, you will have people like marjorie taylor green who will love the optics of just trying to score a victory on things, toilets in africa. >> funding for toilets in africa might sound funny, it is

about presenting diseases, this is important stuff not just for helping people overseas but for helping us. i think before we get too hung up on the idea that they're not going to do much, the thing that i want to point out is they will have someone in the white house is going to be the director of office management, he is someone who has said i fully believe that when congress says you shouldn't -- should spend money they make those cuts unilaterally by the money and just giving it back and keeping in the treasury. my fear is that musk and ramaswamy come up with these ideas that congress in no way wants to support with and they say you know what we should cut billions of dollars from food stamps, from medicaid. >> ramaswamy had this brilliant idea based on firing employees based off of social security

numbers and it is just like what are you talking about? it doesn't even make sense. >> none of this makes sense. >> it is based on a meme, it is two people who i'm sure trump is pretty sick about this point. wait until they get a load of cutting. >> correct me if i'm wrong, you written about this. is to get rid of bureaucrats are technocrats, people who know how to do the actual job of running the government so that they can slowly put in place party loyalists and what we mean by party loyalists are

trump loyalists. >> also one of the backers of the reviving schedule, here's how you hire and fire federal workers, career workers and the push under the end of the trump administration's first time around to purge the federal government. and while they're there, the social security number was to get into, here's how you can like rarely get rid of people quickly but the idea that he will cut as many people as he is trying to say, they will go clearly after the 12 they consider problems, people at the doj were willing to say trump did something wrong. >> government runs with congress . ultimately donald trump wants to cut budgets, you can call mike johnson and say hey, let's try to actually cut some of

these budgets. this is going to get thrown into his lap. >> these are not organized people. while they may have similar wands, they don't necessarily have, they are not from the same worlds. heritage foundation is its own world. elon has its own program and i think they're going to have trouble working it out together. also trump is worrying a lot about the markets. he worries a lot about what other rich people think. checks and balances, the horse has left the farm here. we are all in a lot of trouble but i think that is a possible way in which they can save some

jobs. >> just hoping the wheels down for four years. always a pleasure thank you so much for coming in. >> next up, a war surgeons perspective on what is happening in gaza, stay with us. i mean they even got my nostrils right. it's just nice to know that years after i'm gone this guy will be standing the test of ti... he's melting! oh jeez... nooo... oh gaa... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

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during and after the terrorist attacks last year, republican senators have joined in rejecting allegations, threatening for the u.s. to invade holland from being arrested believe it or not, if they attempt to enforce it, the u.s. will, quote, crush your economy. it is one thing for politicians were thousands of miles from gaza to reject these allegations my next guest however is a first-hand witness to the horrors in gaza. he is a war surgeon who has deployed as part of a humanitarian mission five months into the war, the upcoming book the war surgeons store. he writes the palestinians are dropping like flies and i

realize that soon we must be active in the operating room. dr., thank you so much for joining us. what you saw in central gaza. and why we decided to write this book. >> thank you for allowing me to speak, gaza was a huge life experience. it is an absolute human tragedy unfolding before our very eyes. i went to gaza because i didn't want to say to my grandchildren that i didn't help, i am a

surgeon, i deal with individuals who are injured, i happen to have spent much of my life in war zones. gaza unquestionably was the worst of the worst. you are operating in very primitive circumstances you are seeing injuries that really you can only dream about, you've probably never seen before you're dealing largely in my particular case children and women and elderly and you just keep going when you're there you do the very best you can. we have teams going all of the time. i guess it's when you come back in here i am speaking to you from the uk it's when you come back that you realize what you have been immersed in. >> what struck me and what you write is also about the dangers that you face as well as the horrors that you saw.

you write about how you made peace with your maker if you had a pile of documentation ready to be retrieved by others if the worst happens. reflect on that for us if you can >> i am ex-military and i am now civilian. you generally do not expect to be at the wrong end of a weapon. you are so busy treating the injured you don't concern yourself where they come from who they are, what age they are what gender they are, none of that concerns all you're doing is doing the very best you can. it makes a major difference to you when you realize you cannot fulfill the totality of what you try to do the best you cannot, simply because it is a dangerous place to be. when i was in gaza, i was told

i would be safe, i would not necessarily be safe. i simply had to do the best i could. >> based on what you've seen firsthand and how the world has seen gaza, do you believe the world's media are actually reflecting the horrors inside gaza? >> i am a surgeon but one window on a tragedy. we were there together at the same time. we had individuals from right around the world. we are not getting a full and accurate reflection as we speak and how it's being reported on,

the media were mostly publishing the idea version of the events unchallenged threatened with financial penalties, your words were prophetic, imposing sanctions and mandating any government- funded body refrain from communicating with them or place advertisements in the favorites wanted to get your reaction to them. >> i can't speak for the absolute precision of what you said but at the end of the day, you need media available to give an accurate impression of what's going on. you need them to give you an accurate treatment, each of us plays a tiny part in the totality. anything that muzzles media has to be highlighted and we simply

do the best we can. >> i know you said multiple times that you are a surgeon but i want to get your reaction having seen the horrific suffering in gaza firsthand and one of the few people we can speak to has done that, the arrest warrants. that may have entered this war. >> i'm not going to answer the question how you would like because i am really a surgeon and there are surgeons there as we speak, i like to be given as free of hand as possible i do not like to think of any warfare being undertaken and the type of warfare i have seen in gaza is simply not up to the park, it is in no shape or form acceptable, that is all i would say. >> i certainly appreciate that,

let me ask you then one of the points that you brought up earlier which is based on your own personal experience as a surgeon, why was this the worst that you had ever seen? >> when you think about it, you are not getting resupplied, you are a target your self. at the end of all of this it is the utter lack of medical supplies. and secondly it really is that you should not be a target yourself you should have free access as widely as you can whilst the various parties try to reach the end of the disagreement they've had for a very long time. >> thank you so much, i really appreciate you joining us and giving us this first-hand account. >> we will be right back after a quick break.

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