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firm. and elon musk and vivek ramaswamy reveal how longing it take them to make our government fully efficient. you don't want to miss that. let's do it. ♪♪ since trump entered politics he attacked immigrants, muslims, haitians, democrats basically anyone who isn't 100% down with maga. but there is ongroup he seems to despise above all. journalists. not the tv personalities, podcast hosts or propagandists who cheer him on. he loves them. what he hates are journalists who hold those in power like him to account. after all, it was journalists who uncovered his illegal schemes over decades, helped expose assault allegations against him over the years. in the past weak it was really journalism that helped derail matt gaetz for attorney general.

we've heard him attack the press for years. that's not new. you heard historians warn of how attacks like these are out of the dictator playbook. take a listen. >> frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write, and people should look in it. you take the writer, because you are never going to find, going through phone records. it's been a long time. you take the writer and/or the publisher of the paper, a certain paper that you know, and you say, who is the leaker? national security. and they say we are not going to tell you. they say, that's okay, you are going to jail. and when this person realizes that he is going to be the bride of another prisoner very shortly shortly, he will say, i would very much like to tell you exactly who that leaker, it was bill -- >> they are the enemy of the people. they are the enemy -- i have

been asked not to say it. some day they will not be enemy of people i hope. >> trump knows he can't sway real reporters, the ones with integrity who take their jobs seriously, so he is finding workarounds. he cozied up to people like tucker carlson, laura loomer and nick fuentes, who will prepare his agenda, no questions asked. he went further aligning himself with elon musk and giving the billionaire unprecedented access to his incomingard administration. now you see trump's not happy about a piece of legislation called the protect reporters from exploited if spying act or the press act. wednesday trump said on truth social republicans must kill the bill after jody ginsburg, the ceo of the committee to protect journalists had this to say. >> we know that trump is interested in going after whistleblowers, people who leak, and it's absolutely essential that they are protected and that

journalists also are protected and journalists are allowed to do their job. >> the press act is all about filling in a major act in protecting journalists. it would block the fbi and other agencies from using subpoenas to figure out who leaked information by going after reporters. there are internet providers or any services they nay have used. basically help journalists protect their sources without the fear of being thrown in jail for simply doing their job. this bipartisan bill already passed the house unanimously this year. many of trump's allies support the bill and tucker carlson actually endorsed it in an interview. this was one of a few things many republicans and democrats were on the same page about protecting the first amendment and stopping government overreach when it came to journalism. in the past press advocates have slammed presidents from both parties for crossing the boundaries between government and the press. take, for example, in the bush administration, sent a reporter to jail for not giving up the

name of a source or the obama administration obtained two months' worth of phone records from journalists at the associated press. trump's outburst wednesday may have trashed all of the bipartisan work done to prevent this kind of overreach, even though the house-backed press act is now looking unlikely to make it through the senate before the session ends. it only takes one senator wasting time on the floor to push this off until next year when we know what happens. republicans take control of congress. with so many republicans scrambling to prove their loyalty to donald trump it is worth pausing to think about where america is heading and what message this sends to the world, especially when trump takes cues on how to treat the press from dictators like vladimir putin or victor oren and benjamin netanyahu. this year the u.s. ranked ten spots lower in press freedom than 2023. today israel a major u.s. ally receives billions of dollars in

american tax paid money sanctioned a newspaper because the government simply did not like its reporting. trump's doubling down on media attacks suing outlets for billions for doing their jobs shows how he is refined his tactics since his last term. his push back on this bill is likely just the beginning. joining me is jody ginsburg, ceo of the committee to protect journalists. great to have you back. trump singled out your interview last week when he demanded republicans kill this bill. how important is this bill for the safety of journalists and how concerning are trump's reactions to all of this? >> it's really important. there is no federal level shield law. 49 states in america have some kind of protection for journalists and their sources to protect those sources so that we have access to information in the public interest. you think about public interest stories like flint, michigan,

water in flint, michigan, the toxins in there, stories about individuals like the republican senators and the democratic senators exposed as corrupt by reporters. all of that is essential that we protect them. and so it was a little surprising to hear donald trump's reaction to my comments on monday because this is how bipartisan support, this isn't a partisan bill. this has had bipartisan por from the beginning. it just needs to pass the senate, but now it look like it won't, and without it we may see many more actions, many more journalists subpoenaed to give information about corruption at all kinds of levels. >> i mentioned that reporters without borders lowered the u.s.'s press freedom ranking. what has been the state of journalism like here for the last few years? give us the overview. we have seen journalists get

arrested in black lives protests, protests in israel's war on gaza and so on. from where you sit, what is the trend you have been seeing? >> a decline on all fronts, 50% increase in assaults on journalists, a huge spike in online harassment of journalists and remember that normally affects women most specifically. those from minority communities. we have seen an increase in the number of legal threats against journalists. again all sorts of levels. what's really important to remember about this is, this isn't about the mainstream media as trump likes to call them. this isn't about the big names, the cnns, "the new york times," "the washington post." the people that this hit hardest are the small local newspapers do not have the resources to fight back against spurious local threats, and that is where

most people get their news and their information. it's the information that has most bearing on people's ordinary lives. >> say that trump succeeds in getting his party to kill this legislation. how can journalists protect themselves from an administration that has called them the enemy from within? what is the next four years of journalism look like in your opinion? >> i think the next four years looks like one in which we expect journalists to have to significantly increase their resources to protect themselves against legal threats. we are seeing a number invest more significantly in digital security, physical security, certainly starting to build funds to fight these kinds of subpoenas, the kinds of potential libel and defamation threats that we know are likely to come. we have already seen those threatened from trump. we are likely to see more not just from him, but

administrations across the country, local administrations. so i think it's one in which we can expect journalists to be fight on many more fronts to be able to provide the kinds of information that is essential for all of us to live our everyday lives. and at the same time, we can expect a continued flood of mis and disinformation that tries to make the space one in which it's very difficult for people to understand what they should trust, who they should trust, what trustworthy information even looks like. >> let me ask you about another important development overseas, and this is of course dealing with israel sanctioning one of the leading and oldest newspapers in that country. israel also killed dozens of journalists in gaza, detaining palestinian journalists, censoring critics of the war. you odd as you know, he was

happy about trump's win. give me your reaction to what you see happening in that country with the developments today in israel. >> this is the latest in what has been systemic attempts to censor the media and information out of gaza and information from palestinian journalists and now increasingly from journalists in israel. and it's part of a pattern. it's part of a pattern of journalists being killed, journalists being arrested, media infrastructure being targeted and, of course, foreign media banned as we've seen al jazeera banned from israel, and now we are seeing sanctions wednesday one of the few papers in israel that has been reporting independently and with great clarity on what's happening inside gaza. >> all right. jody ginsburg from the committee to protect journalists, thank

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accountability look like, senator? are you suggesting you want to see special counsel jack smith, attorney general merrick garland prosecuted? is that what you are implying?

>> well, no. i think accountability means the people involved with this should be fired immediately, and anybody part of this effort to keep president trump off the ballot and to throw him in jail for the rest of his life because they didn't like his politics and to continue to cast him as a, quote, unquote, threat to democracy was wrong. and so we'll see where that goes. >> we'll see where that goes. republican senator eric schmitt on "meet the press" empower the president trump to have a field day at the justice department which is concerning given reporting that's what trump is actually looking to do. "the washington post" reports trump plans to fire special council jack smith's entire team, you including career attorneys who are typically protected from retribution. with the inauguration around the corner, justice department attorneys are waiting and wumd ring if anyone can protect the doj and its integrity from trump. there are hopes that trump

defense lawyers, somebody like todd blanche might be that person. trump named him to be the deputy attorney general. he is seen as someone who speaks fluent trump. many people don't know what that is, but he . nbc news reports people close to blanch says his past work gives him an understanding of the doj's traditions and barring presidents and politicians from influencing individual criminal investigations. joining me to discuss this, hayes brown, writer and editor for msnbc daily, molly fast and host of the fast politics podcast and special correspondent for "vanity fair." great to have you with us. what do you make of this reporting that somehow todd blanche is expected to be the adult in the room and maybe because he is familiar with the doj may be able to, as i said, speak trump and tell him lay off going after these people? >> that's a very nice idea. i do appreciate the fact that he was a federal prosecutor, has

experience in the doj, he knows what the rules and regulations are and should be. the problem with that theory is that he did just spend the last several years as one of trump's key attorneys. and in that role, it's not just the fact he was defending his client from being prosecuted. we want defense attorneys to be able to do that without being penalized for actually doing their best to get their client off. that's part of our system. but when you do look at some of the filings that he helped produce in that role, that's where things are very upsetting to the idea of him as deputy attorney general. todd blanche wasn't just on the lawyer for him for the new york case, the manhattan trial, he was also one of the lead lawyers for the immunity case. his name is on those briefs to the supreme court saying donald trump was just doing his job as president after the 2020 everyone be chill about this. the idea that he will be someone who will be saying, actually, now that you are president

again, forget everything i just wrote. that feels like a leap. >> yeah. molly, your thoughts? there is a wishful thinking. there is some maybe optimism. but as hayes was saying, probably unwarranted given the fact that todd blanche is not exactly -- i'm trying to think of a respectable lawyer that served in any trump capacity but i can't think of one off the top of my head. >> trump picks different people in the cabinet for different reasons, and blanch is as good a reason as you can get for a trump cabinet pick. he picked him because he did a good job and protected him. this is all insane. we have to pause and say, like, this is not how cabinets are supposed to be picked. >> the deputy attorney general not supposed to be a personal lawyer. >> right. but completely insane. but at least this one compared to others is a pick that is sort of, you know, and remember blanche defended him because he

believed in the right of, you to know, criminal, you know, prosecute people -- people have been prosecuted for criminal crimes. so you do in a sense really see a sort of good motive compared to some of the other cabinet appointments which are -- >> we should note that -- and it's worth reminding people, there was another deputy attorney general that donald trump butted heads with, rod rosenstein the first time around. in fact, i believe he served in that role, also career federal prosecutor, he was -- had a reputation for being nonpartisan. of course he experienced trump's wrath when he chose robert mueller to serve in 2016. rosenstein told nbc news that -- told them recently blanch would be up against challenges based on his experiences at the time that trump was, quote, very hands on. he is going to be all up in his business. >> absolutely. and the idea that he is going to

stick his neck out time and again against pam bondi, the current a.g. pick, and really try to thwart her in doing whatever trump orders, especially when it comes to him telling whoever becomes the confirmed a.g. i want you to open a criminal case against this person. when whoever that is tells todd blanche, okay, get on this, give me reports on it, do you think he will say, no, thanks, i am going to resign. i bent through senate confirmation to get here, ideally, hopefully, i will throw it away immediately the second that i get -- given an order that is wrong. >> and this is what we have talked about in the past where we have said trump has learned from 2016, he now knows a little bit more about the levers of power, knows who does what in the government. probably didn't know any of this in 2016 much he thought could kind of do whatever he wanted to do and then came up against people who said, no, mr. president, you can't do this.

this time around he wants people in, like, i don't have to tell you, it's a wink and a nod, i expect you to do what you know you have to do. >> i think that's fair. i would say, like, trump is trump. so, while, you know, yes, he has learned some things and, yes, there are a lot of, like, republican think tanks that ar very excited about this, they still don't have a ronald reagan, right? they don't have a george w. bush. they have someone who considers their own brand not to be the same as the republican party brand. and i think that they are going to come up against a lot of trouble that way, and we even saw that with the matt gaetz appointment, right, the world's shortest lived appointment. >> the other thing is this reporting from "the washington post" that donald trump is planning to put together an investigation or investigation teams within the justice department to look, wait for it, evidence in battleground states that there was fraud at play in the 2020 election.

not 2024. >> of 2021 -- i mean, my question, if they find out there was flawed like, wait a minute, mr. president, it that was the election you won, you can't serve anymore. >> that would be hilarious. i think that the best-case scenario for this is that he gets -- he gives the order, investigate the battleground states in 2020, spend time, resources, find exactly the same as everybody else, which is nothing. trump gets mad, tells them to do it again and better, they do it again, still find nothing usable. the road that diverse there, do they then just give up on it, or do they say, okay, we are go to go then arrest and bother people who we have no evidence committed any crimes in 2020, and that is where we are going to go, and that is the big question that we don't have an answer to yet. >> one question that we have an answer to a lot of folks wanted to know what's matt gaetz going

to do next. while we are waiting to find out if he is going to run for governor of florida, we have new reporting tonight that matt gaetz has been busy based on our reporting doing videos on cameo as of tonight, he is charging a minimum of $550 per video, which so far have averaged about a minute and a half in length. molly, are you going to get a matt gaetz cameo video? >> no, i am gaetz -- i am not g him any of high hard earned money, especially us because he is so rich anyway. >> why is he doing cameo for $500? >> this is trumpism in a nutshell. >> for a member of congress embroiled in a scandal -- >> take his fee. >> right, exactly. >> you know, this is not -- not surprising. >> your thoughts on this? >> i think that he not going to congress and not trying to get -- it's very funny to me. him going to cameo makes sense

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to lead the new department of government efficiency house subcommittee. it will be paired with trump's proposed department called doge for short. that will be co-managed by elon musk and vivek ramaswamy. the goal they say to eliminate government waste. they reel reeled what that means. while they will not work in an official government capacity, their department intends to work with embedded employees at agencies and identify the minimum number of pleas required. cut costs by targeting international organizations and progressive groups such add planned parenthood and all federal workers to be in office five days a week writing if employees don't want to show up, american taxpayers shouldn't pay them for the covid-era privilege of staying at home. musk and ramaswamy believe they can make the government fully efficient by july 4 of 2026.

hayes and molly are back with me. do we know how to pronounce this acronym? >> doge. >> doge. >> it's a meme. >> yeah. >> because my friend jonathan capehart called it dodgy. that's funny. very appropriate. give me your thoughts. you have got as we said musk and ramaswamy calling this covid-era privilege. work from home mandates that saved in the middle of the pandemic that saved perhaps millions of lives and costs millions of lives around the world hardly something to be labeled as a covid-era privilege? >> i know. i think part of the anger at people being able to work remotely is the idea that people are being forced to move to a certain area to work, the idea that people who work from home or lazy somehow and really it's people who are able to do their jobs and do it well based on the technology that we have now,

which you think something that people lake ramaswamy and musk would say, oh, wait, this is much more efficient actually. >> i was going to say that. >> we are saving money by having people work remotely have a smaller salary than living in temperature because it's cheaper. >> imagine the real estate you save if you don't have to have everybody in a building when everybody can work remotely from home and save billions of dollars on government -- >> so far this is not a department. they are not going to be a part of the government and it's not about efficiency. the name is broken. >> what do you think happens when rusk and ramaswamy say they want to go to the pentagon? >> republicans are known to love to cut defense spending. i am excited. most of the federal budget is servicing the debt and social security and medicare, which supposedly they are not going to cut, though we have seen elon musk, you know, and his people say we are going to mute

austerity, that's the way to get the tax cuts that we must have, for you guys all not to get stuff that you is have been getting a long time from the federal government. this is a completely -- i am sorry. the fact that marjorie taylor greene has been put in charge of this is just, like -- >> oversight. >> yeah, right? >> and aoc was, like, this is the best thing ever. she never comes to work and never does the reading, so good luck. >> people pointed out, like, it's not a government agency. it has no legal authority. and people have criticized both ramaswamy and musk for having a meme level base -- basic understanding how the government as you mentioned works in terms of its funding. the problem is you will have people like marjorie taylor greene who will love the optics of trying to score a victory on things as we saw in the sound bite, toilets in africa, you know. >> two things. one, funding for toilets in africa may sound funny to people like marjorie taylor greene but

it's about preventing dysentery that could become a pandemic that affects the united states. this is important. not just helping people overseas, but helping us. also i think that before we get too hung up on the idea that they are not going to be able to do much, the thing i point out, they will have someone in the oust white house who is going to be the director of office of management and budget, russ vought, he is someone who said i fully believe that congress, like when the congress says you should spend money, the president says, no, thank you, make the cuts unilaterally no matter what congress says by impounding the money and giving it back or keeping it in the treasury. my fear is musk and ramaswamy come up with wild congress congress doesn't want to support but then omb says, well, we should cut billions of dollars from food stamps, from medicaid, and keep that money that congress allocated. >> yeah, and ramaswamy had a brilliant idea about firing

government employees based on their social security, like if your social security number ends with an even number you are fired on day one. day two, odd number, you get fired. what the hell are you talking about? doesn't make sense. but that's the level of how they are approaching this. >> none of this makes sense. >> you are telling me -- >> it's based on a maem. >> right. >> two people who trump is aim sure pretty sick of at this point, i would assume, and they need a job and they have decided they wanted to cut spending. nobody ever wants to cut spending. wait until congress gets a load of them cutting programs in everybody's district. >> the scary thing about this, direct me if i'm wrong, we can laugh a little bit about this idea of slashing the government work force, but that's a bit of cover for project 2025, which is to get rid of bureaucrats or technocrats, people who know how to do the actual job of running the government so that they can slowly put in place party

loyalists and what we mean by party loyalists are trump loyalists, maga loyalists. >> almost conspiracy theory -- to pull these people together. russ vought is a backer of revising schedule f, that says here is how you hire and fire federal career workers. and the push under the end of the trump administration's first time around to purge the federal government. russ vought supports that. he will be head of omb. while vivek ramaswamy is like social security number thing was, like, a thought experiment, here how you could fairly get rid of people, that was, like, quickly. but the idea that he will cut as many people as he is trying to say and they will go clearly after the ones they consider problems like the last segment, people at the doj willing to say trump did something wrong. >> is there something that can be done to halt this? obviously, government runs with the power of the purse being with congress. ultimately, if donald trump

wants to cut budgets, you can call mike johnson and be like, hey, let's try to cut some of these budgets and, you know, mike johnson's going to have a hard time. this going to get thrown into his lap and as we've seen in the past, it just causes problems for him. >> so my two hottest takes are that it's going to be -- there are -- trump -- these are not organized people. and while vivek and elon may have similar wants, they don't necessarily have -- they are not from the same worlds. they are not, you know, the heritage foundation is its own world. elon has his own program, and i think they are going to have trouble working it out together. then also trump is a -- you know, trump worries about the markets. he worries a lot about what other rich people think. and so he may come up against it that way. look, checks and balances. we are right -- the horse has left the farm here.

but -- >> the stable. >> right. we're in a lot of trouble. but i think that is a possible way in which you so save some jobs. >> we are beyond the advice and consent checks and balances in the operation now, hoping the wheels stay on four years. molly, hayes, a pleasure. thank you for coming in. next up, what is happening on the ground in gaza. stay with us. (♪♪) (♪♪) bounce back fast from heartburn with

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we fundamentally rejebt the court's decision to issue arrest warrants for senior israel officials. we remain deeply concerned bit the prosecutor's rush to seek arrest warrants and the troubling process errors that led to this decision. >> yeah, that was the white house press secretary rejecting the international criminal court's arrest warrants issued for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and yoav gallant as well as a senior hamas official believed to have been killed. all three accused of war crimes during the during and after the

october 7th terrorist attacks on israel last year. republican senators joined in rejecting the ales like tom cotton who is threatening for the u.s. to invade holland to protect israeli government officials from being arrested and senator lindsey graham warns the u.s.'s allies that if te they attempt to enforce it the u.s. will, quote, crush your economy. it's one thing for politicians who are thousands of miles away from gaza to re jekt these war crimes allegations of my michael guest is a firsthand witness to the horrors in gaza. dr. richard villar is a war surgeon who has deployed to central gaza as part of a humanitarian mission five months into the war. his experience is of subject of his upcoming book gaza medic, a war surgeon's story where he offers a firsthand account of working it the war zone and treating patients, including many women and children. in it he writes, the palestinians are dropping like flies. i hear the casualties screaming

outside our door, the orphaned children crying, the widowed mothers wailing, the fathers cursing and i realize that soon we must be active in the operating theater. dr. richard villar, author of gaza medic a war surgeon's story 2024 joins me now. thank you for writing this week and sharing it with the world. this k is out next month. it's what you saw in central gaza. tell us a little bit about the main takeaway of what you saw and why you decided to write this book. >> hello. thanks very much indeed for allowing me to speak. look, gaza was a huge life experience. it is an absolute human tragedy unfolding before our very eyes. i went to gaza simply because i suppose i didn't want to say to may grandchildren i didn't is

help. i am a surgeon. i deal with individuals who are injured. i happen to have spent much of my life in war zones. gaza unquestionably was the worst of the worst. you are operating in very primitive circumstances. you are seeing injuries that really you could only dream about. you have probably never seen before. you are dealing largely, in my particular case, with children and women and elderly, and you just keep going. when you are there you do the very best you can. you form part of a team. we have teams going there all of the time. i guess it's when you come back and here i am speaking to you from uk, it's when you come back that you realize that you have been immersed in. >> what struck me in what you write is also about the dangers that you faced as well as the horrors that you saw. you write about how you made

peace with your maker if you never made it home to london and you had a pile of documentation in your apartment ready to be retrieved by others if the worst happened. reflect on that for us, if you can. >> when you go to a war zone, i'm ex-military and i'm now civilian, and i have had a long orthopedic career. you generally do not expect to be the wrong end of a weapon. you are so busy treating the injured, you don't concern yourself where they come from, who they are, what age they are, what gender they are. none of that concerns you. all you are doing is doing the very best if you can. you do not expect to be put in the lane of danger yourself. it makes a material difference to you when you realize you cannot fulfill the totality of what you try to do the best you can at simply because it is a dangerous place to be. gaza, when i was there, was a free zone and remains that way. where i was told i would be

safe, i would not necessarily be safe. i just simply had to do the best i could. >> based on what you have seen firsthand and how the world has seen gaza through the media coverage, do you believe the world, the media are accurately understanding and reflecting the realities of the horror inside gaza? >> look, i am a surgeon, and i am but one window on a tragedy. i was part of an english charity and also an american charity. we were there together at the same time. we had individuals from around the world. each of us feels, i think, both then and now, that we are not getting a full and accurate reflection within the media of what is happening in gaza as we speak. >> yeah, i wanted to highlight this one passage in the book, in how you saw gaza and how it's being reported on and being clamped down on. you write, within israel, the

media were mostly publishing the idf version of events unchallenged and the left wing newspaper had been threatened with financial penalties for sabotaging israel in wartime. your words were prophetic. today the israeli government approved a proposal that would impose sanctions on haaretz and mandate any body refrain from communicating with them or place advertisements in the paper. i wanted to get your reaction to that and how do you think that will hinder israeli's understanding of what's happening in gaza? >> i can't speak for the absolute precision of what you said, but at the end of the day you need media available to give as accurate an impression of what is going on as possible the same way you need medics like me to give accurate treatment as possible. each of us plays our tiny part in the totality. so anything that muzzles media has to be highlighted and we

simply do the best we can. >> i know that you have said multiple times that you are a surgeon, but i want to get your reaction. i mean, having seen the horrific suffering in gaza firsthand and one of the few people we can actually speak to who has done that, what do you think when you see the white house reject the icc arrest warrants for netanyahu or vetoing a u.n. security council that would have ended this war? >> look, i am -- i have to be slightly awkward. i am not going to answer as clearly as you like simply because i am really a surgeon and there are surgeons there as we speak. i like to begin a free of hand as possible. i don't like to think any ware for undertaken and the warfare in gaza is simply not up to the par. it is in no shape or form acceptable. that's all i would say. and that is me, myself personally speaking. >> yeah, no, and fair enough. i appreciate that.

let me ask you finally then if i can one of the points you brought up earlier, based on your experience as a urge snlen who has ben in been war zones, why was this the worst you had ever seen in. >> when you think about it, you are not getting resupplied. you are a target yourself. i suppose the end of all this is the utter lack of medical supplies. so in essence, you are a glorified first-aider. and secondly, it really is that you should not be a target yourself. you should have free access as widely as you can whilst the various parties try to reach the end of a disagreement they have had for a very long time indeed. >> all right. dr. richard villar, thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us and giving us this firsthand account. thank you, sir. >> my pleasure. we'll be right back after a quick break. quick break.

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