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>> we are in a position to start the mass deportations of millions of bureaucrats out of the d.c. bureaucracy. i don't know if you've got to know elon yet, he brings a chainsaw and we are going to be taking to that bureaucracy. it's going to be a lot of fun. >> yeah, of course it's going to be fun for elon, vivek and their billionaire friends. their government efficiency commission will reward them on the backs of every day americans who musk admits face a hardship. democrats need to get real about what's to blame for their election losses. three weeks since the election, the facts are beginning to come into focus. and we begin tonight with the model for where america is heading. i'm talking about hungary, the small european nation that is a favorite of right wing politicians, former fox hosts and of course donald trump himself because of one man.
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hungary's authoritarian prime minister victor oren. he has been eroding democracy for more than a decade now. a former member of parliament, writes in politico, trump's goal this time is to remake the american government to enhance his power. he isn't the first modern right wing populist to attempt this. he is following a playbook pioneered by viktor orban. orban came to power in 2010 and some of his first acts were to take aim at the independence of hungary's judiciary and news media, rewriting the constitution to force senior judges to retire, and setting up a new court system overseeing directly by his government and consolidating control over the media. his government and its allies took control of 90% of the media outlets, elevating orban's propaganda. orban and his party have also tightened his grip over
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hungary's electoral system. changing laws to rig the system in his favor and keep him in power in perpetuity. like the american right, orban has gone out of his way to stoke division by stoking fear about racial diversity and demonizing immigrants. he even embraced the far right concept of replacement theory, warning against race mixing in europe. orban has blocked asylum seekers from entering hungary and referred to middle eastern refugees as muslim invaders. in fact, orban has made it a point of escalating the culture wars in hungary in consolidating his power. he offered tax breaks and subsidies to boost the birth rate for a future without immigration. he also tightened abortion laws, passing a fetal heartbeat law like the ones that have banned abortion across much of our own country. orban and his party have also
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passed laws prioritizing patriotic education, seized control of hungary's state universities, and passed laws banning lgbtq content in schools and children's television. sound familiar? orban also openly cultivated a relationship with the u.s. republican party.ivated a relationship with the u.s. republican party. he has hosted cpac events and was the keynote speaker at a cpac conference in texas two years ago. it's an authoritarian love fest that goes both ways. donald trump, tucker carlson, who even hosted a week of shows from hungary before he got fired from fox, and vice president-elect j.d. vance are just a few on the american right who have sung orban's praises. >> let me say about world leaders. viktor orban, one of the most respected man, a strong man, a stuff person, smart, prime minister of hungary. >> he thinks families are more
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important than banks. he believes countries need borders. for saying these things outloud orban has been vilified. >> i am not endorsing every thing. on the university principle, the idea that taxpayers should have some influence in how their money is spent at these universities is a totally reasonable thing and he think he made smart decisions we can learn from in the united states. >> the reality is that victor orkin's hungary is very much a cautionary tale for americans as we face donald trump in the white house a second time. for how we can survive and resist our own modern day autocrat, someone who lived through viktor orban's power grab. he writes, hungary's key lesson you don't protect democracy by talking about democracy much you protect democracy by protecting people. only a democracy that works for the people is sustainable.
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and he joins me now. thank you for being here. i want to start by asking you what was viktor orban's sales pitch when he first ran for the leadership in that country in 2010? >> thank you very much for having me. so, in 2010 before orban was re-elected back to power, he basically rallied on the massive disillusionment that people felt with the previous governing coalition, which was a governing coalition, stagnating real wages, escalating incoming equalities, frustration with banks. that was just the post-financial crisis period. so, that, and also brewing kind of racial hostility, especially throughout rural hungary that viktor orban was in competition
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with a mar radical far-right party to capitalize on and channel that kind of anger. so these were the most important issues that catapulted back him to power. he was a prime minister before in '98 and 2002. and when he lost election back then, he drew the conclusion that should he get re-elected once again, which he did in 2010, he is is going to be much more aggressive in his attempt to sustain power. in fact, he managed to do that. what's been in power ever since 2010 oing everything to make the life of the opposition as hard as possible to get -- >> and talk about some of the ways he prevented the opposition from coming -- from challenging his grip on the country. >> sure.
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so, many of these things that you also mention in the introduction are eerily familiar with some of donald trump's approach, especially as it is in the project 2025. so, they began with what you might call an administrative shock therapy. a slew of fast-moving legislation to overpower opponents, fire and nominate loyalists across state institutions that are solely dependent on viktor orban. so that was a crucial step that allowed him to control the state institutions. he was fighting this battle against -- they didn't use the word deep state, but they were fating a battle against something similar which they call a post-socialist eleast,
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these elite groups occupying key positions in universities, in the economy, and he wanted to kind of dislodge that perceived kind of enemy. and this allowed him to kind of legitimatize an attack on these institutions. he moved against media to conquer independent media, partially by relying on state public protesting, but also kind of controlling throughout the country's local and regional newspapers and outlets, forging an alliance with friendly billionaires and oligarchs to buy up independent news media outlets. so that's, you know, again something that resembles very much not -- it's not at the same level as it is in hungary, but we have seen similar steps in the united states how, you know,
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friendly billionaires can interfere in operation of editorial decisions and the latest latest nominee for the fcc, the person responsible for authoring a part of the famous project 2025, this could be a crucial step in kind of allowing trump to kind of go ahead with his threats against media that he dislikes. you mentioned gerrymandering. tinkering with the voter in the electoral system. just a couple of days ago they again fearing that the reason opposition party, that is becoming too competitive, now they are changing electoral law just again, reducing the number of electoral districts in budapest, which leans towards the opposition, and then increasing electoral districts in other parts of the country which just by simple
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administrative decision increases the potential of his staying in power. so that's the kind of institutional part. yes? >> yeah, no, i mean, it's so eerily familiar given even, you know, the idea that he lost power, was thrown out and brought back. it's all so similar. it sort of makes sense, right, he was rooting for donald trump weeks before his election saying fingers crossed what happened. you know, this -- the voters who put in these kinds of regimes as you said often are responding to economic malaise or their sense that they are being sort of treated unfairly in the economy. but the economy in hungary has not gotten better. the latest numbers here show that the economy is entering its second recession in two years. the economy is stagnant. hungarian gdp growth will be close to zero in the third quarter. they were in a recession much of 2023, was in a mild recovery, but not anymore, and it recorded
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the highest inflation rate among european union countries, 27.5% as of january of 2023. so it doesn't seem that his reforms, whatever he would consider them, reforms have made average hungarians' lives better, have they? >> so, you are absolutely right with regard to the most recent figures with the basically since the covid crisis and then the russian attack and invasion of ukraine. since then the economic situation in hungary has gotten really, really bad, wages declining as you very well summarized. however, before covid, there was another period, and not just hungary, the whole kind of region has benefitted from the
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kind of growth period that europe has experienced after the, like basically during the recovery after the 2008, 2010 financial crisis. so that helped orban to portray himself as a people-friendly politician. but policies are one thing, and it's important also to sea that he did some policies that were beneficial to people, like, for example, increasing the minimum wage. even though compared to the countries in the region, he kept wage growth below the level of surrounding nations. still increased just a little bit so that people think that viktor orban is their friend. he also introduced other policies like these family measures that many people think that is helping them. but he also is very rallying people against what the
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previous -- and that is a crucial lesson i think in hungary is once you get into a situation where people think or ask themselves why should i care for liberal democracy if liberal democracy does not care for me, that's a situation that you a want to avoid. that's when orban could really get away with his authoritarian solutions because he felt -- people felt that previous democracy regime was not really providing socially and economically. so that's, i think, a crucial issue. there was also a kind of problem with the political identity of the previous and liberal elites. again, eerily restem bling some of the mistakes committed by the democratic party in a sense of the distance, you know, from people. the difficulties in connecting to average low-income
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working-class americans who feel like that their anger, that is not being heard enough, that they are being dismissed. i think these are serious issues, and they can lead to a loss of support even if your policies are in fact better. so that's the kind -- i call this in my article symbolic class politics. so it's one thing to have good policies. you also have to come across as a friend of people who was able to listen to people, who was able to understand their anger about the economic situation and frustration. >> that is an excellent point. i think it's an exceptional and exceptional lesson people needed to hear and learn. thank you so much. much appreciated, valuable information. coming up, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy have big plans for their newfangled government
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create the so-called department of government efficiency or doge in his new government next year. now, before by go further i need to point out to you that even donald trump can't just invent a department of the federal government. the constitution clearly states that only congress has the power to establish departments and agencies. but, you know, constitution, he can do what he wants, right? and what trump is actually doing besides helping musk promote a favorite cryptocurrencies called dogecoin, which he promotes on his x twitter and which is up 190% over the past month, also totally coincidentally i'm sure, he is using the powers of the presidency to get around the inconvenient constitutional checks and balances in order to personally decide who wins and who loses in america. off the bat, musk and ramaswamy have already promised massive cuts to eviscerate federal agencies republicans don't like. they want to cut $500 billion a
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year from the federal budget and fire all but 5% of federal employees. they claim outside looking in that the agencies have been bloated with federal employees who won't be needed to enforce regulations since trump is going to get rid of most federal regulation its. so, you know, get ready to enjoy unregulated financial markets, polluted water and raw and unpasteurized milk. they defend the deregulation and massive layoffs because they want to run government, quote, like a business, which lets face it, a lot of americans say they want. but the thing is in an actual business the biggest expense is typically workers salaries. but that is not the case in federal agencies. laying off millions of employees would account for barely 4% of the federal budget. and the majority of those employees that they want to casually lay off, 60% of them in
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fact, work for the department of defense. veterans affairs and homeland security. many those employees are veterans and disabled workers, just so you know. and once the doge committee laid off disabled veterans, they are going to get together with georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of course in the house and iowa senator joni ernst in the senate who will be running doge subcommittees in their representative bodies to suss out who gets to go next. and what else to cut. >> when we look into a deep dive into this massive problem that's caused america to be $36 trillion in debt, we're going to have to go into all kinds of buckets, and that is how i will be separating things on the oversight subcommittee on doge. we will look at everything from government funded media programs like npr that spread nothing but democratic propaganda, grant
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programs that fund things like -- in malaysia, toilets in africa. we will look in every aspect and we don't care about people's feelings. >> okay then. if these folks are serious about cutting spending, let's look at what the federal spends the majority of our tax money on, shall we? if we are getting serious, let's get serious. look at that chart from the department of the treasury. you will notice that spending on social security represents a fifth of our federal budget. 21%. do they want to make cuts there how about defense spending, 18%. i am sure they could spare a few dollars in the name of government efficiency. health care funding, that makes up 15% of the budget. maybe they think it's a good way to get the poor and the elderly off the federal doll and pulling themselves up by their bootstraps. here is the scariest part.
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donald, elon and vivek said they won't respect any budget that congress sends them. you heard that right. little ole constitution says congress has the power of the purse, donald and elon and vivek say the president has the final say and he will decide how to allocate the money and they think the supreme court is on their side. which, let's face it, nobody the roberts court, they probably would be. text of the actual constitution be damned. but okay, if they are open to suggestions i have one. maybe don't renew the trump corporate tax cuts which cost $2 trillion in revenue causing our current deficits or don't renew them next year which cost up to 4 trillion. this project isn't about government efficiency. it's about giving donald trump and his billionaire friends absolute personal power to decide who gets our tax dollars and who doesn't. and you've got to wonder, how
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i imagine their probative eyes had overlook the fact that two of musk's company have $15 billion in federal comforts a dozen federal agencies. musk has never opinion a fan of anyone trying to regulate those businesses. his companies have been the target of at least 20 investigations or reviews from violations of safety standards to pollution. now as head of a glorified blue-ribbon panel he can suggest that we dispense with regulatory agency, the faa, the epa, maybe even the national highway traffic safety administration. yay for him. eek for us. because, you know, there wouldn't be any agencies left looking out for 330 million americans, just one former illegal immigrant from south africa. joining me two msnbc political analysts, tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion, tara, ceo of the seneca project and former republican
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communications director. as a former staffer, tara, to explain to us how it normally works had had a president sends a budget to the hill and spending decisions are made. >> yeah, so back in the days of when government was functional and not under attack the power of the purse originates with congress. you have the ways and means committee, the chairman of ways and means used to be one of the most powerful positions in washington next to the speaker of the house. those pass them individually. then they go over to the senate. then everyone what society on the budgets and it would pass. we haven't had that process work in a very long time. that's why we end up with these continuing resolutions. it's been going on a long time. it's very dysfunctional. we haven't had a balanced budget sips ps the '90s since bill clinton was president. this system has been broken a long time. the difference is that it's
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still originated with congress and the idea that elon musk and ramaswamy are coming in here and they think that they are going to go in and basically remove this power of the purse from it congress and hand it over to donald trump not only, a, is that completely against the 1974 law that was -- that tried to stop nixon from doing exactly what trump is trying to do with this whole impoundment idea where he can circumvent and say i don't like you, i'm holding it back. donald trump tried that with ukraine and got impeached for it. they are thumbing theranos at federal law, daring the courts to say stop us and we could really head for a constitutional crisis here. and i don't think members of congress are going to be too happy about giving up their own power. that's their job. and so they would be literally ceding their job and power to donald trump. >> i will bet you a case of
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champagne that they will creed their power and become the -- let him do what he wants. i will hold that thought for a moment. >> so scary. >> and john roberts will be like, what constitution? he can do whatever he wants. he is our king. tim, you know, the reason that it's -- thatty wanted terra to explain that, people are frustrated with government because they don't understand why a politician promise they will do x and can't do it because the slowdown, the speed bump is the constitution and the congress which says, whoa, we decide how this money is spent, not you. that slow process slows things down. but there are some things that republicans have wanted to get rid of for a long time. vivek ramaswamy and elon musk have already earmarked a lot of things they want to get rid of that are going to be super unpopular. $120 billion for the v.a. medical services.in drug develo and addiction trooemt. state department, $38 billion. $37 billion in housing
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assistance. $37 billion for the justice department. they don't want that. 35 billion in education spending. if you have a special needs kid might abproblem. $28 billion for mays. $24 billion in health care and student loan programs. 13.5 million for headstart. on republicans' list for a long time. pact act, expanded v.a. health care for veterans and solve the burn pit situation, gone, 9.5 billion there. they think they will get individual of sesame street. sesame street is $5 million a year it gets from the government. a billion is a thousand ents of a trillion and our budget is $6.7 trillion a year. so this is not savings that are really meaningful because all the money is in defense. so, tim, talk to me about how this is going to go over when they start cutting things that i think a lot of donald trump's voters probably like. >> there would be so many things
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to pluck out, joy, from each of those examples you gave because people only really realize how government works on their behalf when programs they deeply rely upon get cut. and government services are deeply embedded into american life, and for the most part a lot of that is stuff we all rely on and have gotten used to for a long time and the federal government does a lot of that very well. do they overspend? yes. could they moderate? yes. regulations and overreach? absolutely. is could this be knocked down with a sledgehammer to the foundation without any consideration for what the programs do? absolutely not. just consider -- i want -- you had so many good examples. headstart has an amazing track record for helping young low-income children get ahead in the world educational, it has a along track record, it's
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regarded as one of the most successful government programs that target young children. it's empirically demonstrated to be effective. when we help kids, they become product members of society, particularly if they start out y or educationally. programs like this that address those problems help them become individuals and strong american citizens. let's look at -- >> let me -- sure, go for it. >> the thing about nasa that will be interesting to watch is that spacex, elon musk's company, came into being because it got nasa contracts. tesla was originally founded on the back of taxpayer subsidies before musk took it over. but its success was derived out of a partnership with the federal government. and certainly spacex's was. spacex wouldn't be in existence if it hadn't gotten nasa contracts. when musk goes into nasa, is he
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going to pull the plug on contracts that benefit his company? vivek ramaswamy made his money in biotech. what will he do when he looks at fda programs that work with biotech companies and on and on and on. i think? performative -- >> yes. >> it could be damaging. >> damaging and lucrative for them. i want to put this chart back up. the unseriousness -- let me play this. the budget cutting team, let's listen real quick. >> alexander rei am an american citizen. i pay your salary through the taxes that you collect from me through the irs because i am a tax paying citizen of the united states. i am a woman. i am a female business owner. and i am proud to be an american woman. >> i'm joni ernst. i grew up cast rating hogs on an iowa farm. when i get to washington, i'll know how to cut pork. >> she is going to know how to
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cut. 21% of this money for grandma, social security, which rick scott would like to privatize. that's a nice fat chunk of money that could then go on to wall street and get lost in the sauce if they do a bad investment. then there is defense. will ramaswamy and elon go there? that's where the money is other than cutting grandma. >> no, because that's not what that this is really about. i come from right of center republican world, right. so i was there for all. fiscal responsibility arguments from the '90s and 2000s, and for those of us who actually believed in trying to make government better and more efficient cutting out waste, fraud and abuse, everyone agreed with those things being -- they should be examined. they were examined by serious people not looking to destroy. these guys are looking to not only destroy but enrich
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themselves and their friends. it that's the problem. marjorie taylor greene is not a serious person and neither are the other two idiots that will have a podcast and they are asking people to submit resumes. this isn't serious stuff. and instead it will hurt people and the american people are going toind fight that once they start cutting programs they need and realize donald trump's friends are getting enriched and they are not. >> tesla has 352,000 contracts at state department, d.o.d. and energy, spacex $354 billion in contracts. they are going to get wealthy and a lot of folks are going to suffer a lot. this is the find out phase it starts january 20. tim and tara, thank you. coming up, for democrats to rebuild in the future they need to figure out exactly what went wrong in this election. my next guests have a few theories and we will talk about them after the break tfrmt.
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it only took hours after donald trump was projected the president-elect for democrats to begin the hot takes about what actually went wrong. now now that we have had time to get more data, we are starting to get the full picture what really happened in the election. here to break it down, tom, and advisor for target smart and author of the culture substack. thank you for being here. tom, give me your sort of short
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order on what the data says happened in this election and why kamala harris came up short. >> yeah, you know, it's interesting. we talked about this and as you said in the first couple of days, the hot takes were saying, look, vice president harris won 15 million fewer votes than joe biden. where did the votes go? everyone was pointing the finger at the democratic base and saying voters of color didn't show up, young voters didn't show up. now that they have counted the votes, it looks like it's more like six to seven million votes behind. when we look at the seven battleground states we obsessed over for the better part of a year we see that vice president harris won an identical number of votes if those states as president biden. when we look at those states, we see georgia, for example, where we have the individual vote history, 64,000 more black voters turned out in georgia this year than voted in that year that broke a record for turnout in 2020. same with young voters, same with women, the agendaer gap
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went up. the base hod up. the issue was in terms of persuasion and how people were voting. >> so, what you are saying is, is that -- i mean, because what i also saw in the data is that the only thing i saw that really ticked up was white voters, you saw shifts in voters of color, but is that the explanation, more white voters showed up but more trumpy voters of color? >> that's right. in the end, again it depends. if we are talking abounational numbers, far more white voters showed up. democratic voters appeared to have stayed home outside of the battleground states. yes, there was a big increase in white voters sort of around the country. in the battleground states again voters of color, younger voters, women came out at numbers closer to 2020 if not, you know, in some cases exceeding, but because of that surge we were seeing on the trump side, we couldn't keep up.
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there was this rural surge, there were older voters who came out as well. >> you have done some reporting kind of the internal dynamics of the harris campaign, and you want to talk about something that i really want to get into, the consultant factor in this election. >> yeah, there is a lot of reasons why kamala lost. one when i spoke to elite democratic people and they kept bringing up the name jen o'malley dillon. she was the campaign chair for kamala harris hired to do that for biden. this is a biden person, a biden loyalist who in 2023 was leaking to media that kamala should be replaced on the ticket. this is is the reporting that i have on my substack. so this is the mern you have to go to battle with who a year earlier was whispering to reporters saying, make you should be replaced. when you talk about the
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consulting class, she has an ad buying company. when she is advising the candidate saying, you should buy ads, that is personally enriching to her. right? now, that doesn't mean she so doing anything nefarious. she did her job as best as she could. when a hammer sees everything as a nail and when you personally are enriched by ad buys, then you are going to recommend that to the candidate as opposed to donald trump got a lot out of being on podcasts, right. and we don't feel like kamala took advantage of that as much. >> and let me talk about the consultant class. it is a big issue that there are three big media analytics firms that got $280 million in ad production and placements money through the harris campaign. a lot of that billion dollars went towards ad byes. gamut strategies $122 million,
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bully pulpit $101 million. to come back to you, tom, what didn't get a lot of money were voter turnout groups on the ground, like black voters matter and voter latino who specialize in turning out liberal or democratic leaning voters. was part of the problem there was a traditional air campaign taking place on the democratic side, a nontraditional air campaign and social media campaign on the republican side and just not enough ground game? >> well, if i could add to that, there was a calculation and a lot of this was on the outside sort of independent expenditure groups, $1 billion was spent by one those organizations on the democratic side. there is a calculation that the messaging should come in late in the campaign and that again it should be mostly on the air and in the end when we look at when people made up their minds from the exit polls vice president harris was winning in september and october and it was really the people made up their minds in the last couple of weeks.
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i say in the battleground states democratic turnout appeared to be pretty good but we were losing a critical mass of voters. it's a we can't say we hope they show out. we need to communicate throughout the cycle, not just in the last few weeks. >> and that's a thing that the strategy, these sort of strategies that keep getting carted from democratic campaign to democratic campaign, there is no challenging of the sort of neoliberal order, no challenging of the system that so many distrust, and so then there is the surprise that when thickly younger voters come out and voters of color their anti-system voters so they act like anti-system voters and don't vote for the democrat. >> well, one thing i also found in my reporting was that when you have a team that is biden loyalists, how are they going to advise the candidate, right?
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a lot of people pointed to the voemt on "the view" when asked how she would differentiate herself from joe biden and she said nothing. most her advisors were from biden world. of course they are not going to counsel her to say things opposite biden or distance herself from biden. in many ways this was the biden campaign with a new face and that's not going to work. >> do you read it that way, tom, that so much of the policy -- i mean, there is some polling shows having liz cheney on the campaign trail hurt vice president harris in places like michigan and pennsylvania that maybe running a very sort of biden-ish campaign rather than an authentically kamala harris centered campaign might have hurt her. do you read it that way? >> it's challenging. when you look at the fact that they had three months and you look at the impact and i look at how things looked in these battleground states and the fact that the dropoff in the battleground states from biden to harris was about a point and a half outside, it was closer to four points, i think they did a lot of things right, and in the
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end, obviously, not enough. i am not here to make excuses but that three month period vice president harris wasn't dealt the best hand. she was an incredibly strong candidate t did a great job with what she had. >> yeah. i mean, that seems to be to track with folks i spoke to. the people felt that as a campaign performer, like doing her piece of it, kamala harris did an exceptional job but she was polling behind, as you said, a biden campaign with just her at the head of it. >> i mean, i hear what you are saying. we are also talking about she is fighting against donald trump who comes across to many people a as the most authentic politician they have ever seen. to a lot of people and that i t election clearly was not a winning proposition. i will note that kamala harris got the third highest number of votes of any presidential candidate in history, more than obama in either election. it's basically biden, then
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trump, then kamala harris historically. it's a record number of votes. thank you both very much. up next, why people, including myself, jumping simple from x twitter. how do we pronounce that to blue sky and making the trolls -- in the process. don't go anywhere. nywhere. we always love taking care of our home. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. we realized some maintenance jobs aren't worth the risk. that's when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter's patented filter technology 9 they gave us a free inspection and we had the system installed that week. my only regret is not calling them sooner. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. blue cross. big lie li
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as if we knew that he did another reason to ditch twitter, elon musk he gave us the greatest push admitting his platform is limiting visibility and access to links better known as throttling which would include stifling news articles that would cause a user to leave his precious platform because he wants to force people to remain in his dystopian townsquare. probably not the best move as users have already been running for the exit to leave x twitter altogether following the monumental decline of the platform since he took over. on november 6th alone, a day after the presidential election, more
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than 115,000 users deactivated their accounts, the most since elon musk took ownership according to research from the digital marketing intelligence company, similar web. at the same time, users on other platforms like blue sky have continued to grow. to the dismay of the far right trolls. smay of the far right elon musk had thought that by purchasing twitter, he could force liberals to have to consume the content and the abuse from his far right troll brigade which included conspiracy theorists and white nationalists. but now, as media critic parker malloy points out, without the reactionaries on x, face a crisis of relevance because the reality is that without the libs, they are all alone speaking to each other and even they don't want that. can you blame them? and with that, i think it is a great time to remind you that you can follow me on blue sky threads and instagram and on tiktok.
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