tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC November 25, 2024 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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>> reporter: volunteers will now do the decorating. >> out of the whirlwind will come the warmth and comfort of the season. i can't wait for you all to share. >> reporter: the white house ending the great christmas tree debate. a tree this knife can go up before thanksgiving. as far as i am concerned, it is never too early. on that note, i wish you good night. you can catch me on saturday and sunday mornings on our show, weekend. from all of our colleagues across the networks, thank you so much for staying up late. i will see you at the end of tomorrow. i am really happy to have you here. it started out as a bill about
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the rules for being a dentist. it said so explicitly in the title. an act making various changes to the laws of dentistry. before reading the bill, i had never before even thought about there being laws of dentistry. there are lots of dentistry apparently. this new legislation was going to tighten those laws. laws for example, letting you do dentist exams on mannequins instead of unreal people. that seems nice for the real people. also laws about letting the powers that be take your dentistry license on account of your drunkenness. lots of important ways of tighten up the laws. that is how that bill started.
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then it changed a lot. north carolina is one of the states where republicans did not do as well if they wanted to . trumpet did win by about three points. even as he won the presidential race, the republican candidate for governor lost. the republican candidate lost the lieutenant governor's race and the republican candidate lost the attorney general's race and the republican candidate lost the secretary of state race. also, the republican candidate to be school chief, this race i
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was keeping an eye on, the republican candidate lost that race too. the reason i was watching that is that was the race where the republican candidate wanted a pay-per-view public televised execution of barack obama. she also demanded the execution of president biden, hillary clinton, chuck schumer, anthony fauci, a former new york governor, the current north carolina governor, a member of congress from minnesota and she wanted to execute gates. it was a lot. she was the nominee for superintendent of public schools for the state of north carolina. she lost the election along with almost all of the republican candidates for statewide office in north carolina. yes, in north carolina, this year trump won the presidential race but republicans lost almost everything else.
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heading into the election, republicans held a super majority. in this selection, they lost that super majority. democrats made enough end roads this year. that republicans no longer have a super majority that allows them to override the veto. that is where the laws of dentistry come in. republicans in north carolina, after the selection, they know they are about to lose their super majority in the state legislature and they know democrats just won almost every statewide elected office. republicans know what is coming. in the face of that oncoming change, republicans took this bill, making various changes to the laws of dentistry. they turned it into something
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very much not that which is probably good news for a duncan dentist and bad news for a manikin. it is also really big news. for what republicans are trying to do. this is footage from state legislature of people being cleared out of the gallery for protesting against e republicans are trying to do. it turned into something more radical. they took this bill and decided to call it the hurricane relief will. they said it would be the it changes the state government. they will have their power stripped away.
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the governor of north carolina will no longer be allowed to appoint judges as he sees fit. under the bill he will be required to appoint judges that have been approved this explicitly by the state republican party. they have to approve the democratic governors judicial pics. the attorney general will not be allowed to oppose anything that is done by the republicans and state legislature, even if the attorney general thinks it is against the law of the state. power over the administration of elections in north carolina would inexplicably be moved wholesale into the office of the state auditor. the state auditor in charge of elections? why would republicans change state loss of the state auditor is suddenly the person in
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charge of elections? because the state auditor is the one race that republicans won. >> the state auditor candidate that i am only in politics for you. where is dave? if you say that, do you mean that? if you mean that, i am for you all the way. he has my endorsement. >> i am only in politics for you sir. i am only in politics to serve you, to serve donald trump. it is the only reason i'm running for office. i am here to serve you as an individual. that is the one republican that won his race in state government. because they have just this one guy, republicans rewrote the
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laws of the state so that will be the guy in charge of state elections. even though the job has nothing to do with elections whatsoever. it is like putting the dogcatcher in charge of the water department. he is the one republican. now he will be the elections guy. this is what they have done with the dentistry bill. the consequence of that are one of the consequences is north carolinians have been turning up, filling the gallery, shouting down the republicans while they have been forcing through this last-minute hijack the dentistry bill to try and make sure they can stay in power even after they have been voted out. also to control future elections. because relying on the vote of
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the people is clearly not a winning strategy of them so they are trying to work around that to stay in power without people's consent. north carolina also elects their state supreme court justices. in this selection when democratic justice appeared to win by a really slim margin. somewhere around 700 votes. there is a recount underway right now because it was so slim. in the recount, republicans are trying to throw out 60,000 ballots. there trying to have them not counted. 60,000. that is a lot of people. they think they can do it. these are provisional ballots they say they do not want counted. part of the reason there are so many is because republicans in
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the legislature put in place aggressive new restrictions on voting rights in time for the election. that resulted in a lot of doctors having to cast provisional ballots. now they are fighting to not count them as a way to try and take that seat. the people casting their votes thing has not been working that great for republicans in north carolina. now, they are trying to make sure that there are other ways they can keep and expand power. we really don't know how it will work out. this is a live issue. there are republicans from the western part of the state that voted no on the bill. in part because they were furious that this is what republicans are calling the hurricane relief bill. it is one quarter of what the governor asked for in terms of hurricane relief.
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it doesn't actually move money to where the hurricane hit. some republicans from the hard- hit western part of north carolina are balking at this and voting no, even though they are republicans. the democrats are against it. the protesters are very much against it. as our clergy and faith leaders in the poor people's campaign led by william barbour. the democratic governor, roy cooper, he is presumably going to veto this thing. then wait to see whether the public pressure and revulsion even among republicans or what they are trying to do be enough to allow it to stand or whether republicans might be able to override the veto in the last days of their super majority. we shall see. this is a live issue right now.
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i start with this tonight, not just because it is an important story for north carolina, at this audacious small antidemocratic power grab by republicans. it is not just important for an important state. it is also a character test. to see if we have the stomach for this fight. a fight in a very practical sense for democracy. that is what is being messed with. if you win an election to take office as an elected official, you winning means you of that . there is nothing about administering elections that should be handed to partisan actors so that one party has a leg up in trying to win. that is not the way it is supposed to work. trying to force those things is
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antidemocratic power grab. that happening so bluntly and obviously, causing revulsion comp that is also happening in the larger context of what is happening in the country. we are seeing a really radical effort not to just advance and advocate for, we are seeing a radical effort to change the system of government. to consolidate power. all of this talk you heard about firing huge swaths of the government and wiping out departments and firing career law enforcement and firing whole categories of civil servants. all of that is about consolidating power. there is no source of authority or judgment within the
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government, except for the one guy at the top. specifically you occurred talk about them firing the fbi director and the chairman of the federal reserve. those jobs don't turn over when the presidency turns over. they are designed to be independent of the political cycle so people in those jobs, they do what is right for the country and not just what is right for any particular president. this insistence from the republicans that chris ray and jerome powell, somehow would be fired and replaced by trump, that is not how the system is supposed to run. that is about him consolidating power over the executive branch, including the parts that is supposed to be independent from power and control. we are also seeing, efforts to consolidate power over the press.
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not just threatening and intimidating reporters and news organizations but saying they will use the power of the government to do it. having appointees say that news that n organizations will be reviewed by the federal government, according to editorial decisions. we just one man over the legislative branch. over the fourth estate, the press and the executive branch but also over the legislative branch. trump demanding the senate not confirm nominees, threatening to force the senate to shut down so he can install nominees without any confirmation hearings or votes. that is an effort to consolidate power in such a way that it marginalizes and renders inert and unimportant, the legislative branch of government.
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in that case, the senate. it is not just the senate. with the austerity commission where they will cut trillions of dollars out of the budget, and effort headed by elon musk. in order to do that they are reportedly planning on seizing for themselves what is usually called the power of the purse. taking it from congress. unilaterally cutting and reshaping the whole government without congress being involved at all. in washington, as they prepare to take power, trump is working aggressively to consolidate all government power. looking to consolidate all power of the executive branch and consolidate all power in the government over the legislative branch. not going to be coequal. he is trying to minimalize it and make it unimportant and tell them what to do. he is also trying to do the same thing over the fourth
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estate. the fourth branch of government. there is also the judiciary. so far, i think he has been delighted how he has been treated. we don't yet see him moving to defy the court or certify orders. it is very possible it is coming. honestly, if you take a wide view of what is happening thus far, you see the effort to consolidate power in the executive branch, to minimalize the legislative branch i think he is ignoring the judicial branch. the effort to intimidate the press. this is all about trying to make sure he is the only source of authority in the federal government. in terms of what to watch for next, we need to watch for something they call autocratic breakthrough. that is when the party in power
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uses the power they do have in government to make sure they can never be dislodged from government. i will give you an example, we have seen in the house of representatives now that mike johnson is back in, they changed the rules to make it much harder to remove him as speaker. that is them digging in and planning to stay for the long run. you have seen trump joking about expecting to stay in office for a third term once the second term is up. that is against the constitution but he keeps bringing it up. trump advisor, his one-time campaign manager, steve bannon, saying things about how they will be ruling for 50 years. there won't be any way to dislodge them from power. autocratic ring through is when
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they use the powers they achieved through elections to cement themselves in power so they can't be removed by future elections or other democratic means. we are watching the effort to consolidate power and watching for signs of autocratic breakthrough trying to entrench themselves. it is the way things go. it is how strongmen rule. these are the things they are trying. that said, so far, it is not clear that the efforts are going that great. the fact that they want these things doesn't mean they get them. the fact that they are trying doesn't mean they will succeed. we have already seen terrible nominees like matt gaetz being laughed off of capitol hill and having to withdraw. we have seen senate republicans not yet caving and not yet agreeing to shut themselves down so trump can have his nominees installed with no confirmation hearings. the press is turning out to be
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weak need and lili livered as he might fear but also defiant and professional and aggressive and creative in other quarters. the american free press, thus far for example, has been doing a great job detailing the astonishing conflict of interest in self-dealing and deep incompetence and lack of qualification and allegedly criminal past dealings of the freak show lineup that trump has announced as his nominees for high office. 's intentions for who he wants to install and for what he wants to do and how he wants to consolidate power so the government is the will of one man, those are just intentions. it is worth being clear. it is worth reporting on it, following on it and being very clear about that is what he is doing. just because those are the intentions, it doesn't mean
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those things are an inescapable fate. politics still works in gravity applies. the rules of nature still works. each of these things is likely to be a fight and the test and it is not just in washington, it is everywhere there is a push against democracy and against small deed democracy. we are seeing a push for it. like in north carolina, right now. joining us now is the north carolina state senator dan blue. he is the democratic leader. i appreciate you making time to be here. >> thank you for having me ra it is a
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tantrum by republican leadership in the general assembly not willing to accept the outcome of an election. and not willing to accept that they have lost. now it is consolidating power and taking extraordinary steps to grab that power. taking it out of the judicial branch and executive branch. in our case it happens to be the executive branch or i mean
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the legislather than the executive branch. it is the same thing you are witnessing all over the country , led by a different group in north carolina. >> i was struck by the footage. it didn't get a lot of national attention but we were able to look at local organizations and social media stuff posted by different nonprofit and advocacy groups and find what i found to be interesting footage of the pushback by regular citizens. dozens of protesters seem to interrupt the debate. a debate in which i understand, no republican lawmaker was willing to speak up. we have seen members of the clergy and groups like the poor people's campaign speak against it. how would you describe the attention to this and how constituents are feeling about this and reacting?
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>> there is great attention. you described the marches led several years ago. those people are still around. they don't want the powers seized by folks they don't elect. one of the points that is important, this legislation from last week, also takes the power from the attorney general so he can't intervene or get involved in certain cases unless it suits the whims of the republican leadership in the legislature. people know that the attorney general is supposed to protect their interest. they are protesting these powers that are taken from the governor and the powers taken from other branches and other places that they have been for half a century or more. the decision last week to clear the galleries, that took
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everybody out. people that were protesting but everybody that was coming to visit and see how it operated. there was no effort to sort between them. you can rest assured that people in north carolina, the state that started the revolution with the halifax resolves in 1776 will still be intimately involved and sever governance. regardless of what the elected leadership in the legislature republican leadership, regardless of what they do, that same spirit that hit north carolina, 248 years ago will prevail. now people aren't going to take it. we believe in democracy and we are going to fight to preserve the institutions that were created to make sure democracy prevails. >> state senate democratic leader, dan blue. thank you for those comments.
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when i asked the representative to stop she said the autodialer would not stop until i provided information. i don't know how to get them to stop after 18 calls in 90 minutes. insurance agents repeatedly called my 86-year-old father who is deaf, has dementia and lives in assisted living. the persons of the agent convinced his deaf elderly father with dementia to dump his health insurance plan that he is had for 20 years in exchange for a plan that the person was hard selling him on. the complaint said clearly the company is conducting fraud and financial elder abuse. the company is a telemarketer that targets people with medicare. the company calls people and tries to convince them they should dump their plan run by the government and instead switch to a private alternative. if the telemarketer is
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successful in convincing or tricking or berating the person on the phone into doing that, then the marketer collects a handsome fee from the new insurance company that they got a sign-up for. new york magazine has great reporting on this. the company told the magazine they do not engage in this kind of behavior are kind of conduct excuse me. nevertheless, this firm has had dozens of complaints waged against it with the better business bureau. tells you how they operate. that said, who cares about a litany of heartbreaking elder abuse complaints. they also have a powerful and charismatic celebrity endorser. >> i am here at the medicare
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advantage.com helpline center. here to meet the team helping folks like you with coverage options. >> folks just like you. that is the tv doctor, dr. mehmet oz. his enthusiasm might conceivably have something to do with the fact that he personally holds hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock in companies that provide this private insurance that you might switch people to if you can convince them to give up their medicare in repeated phone calls. his financial state came to light a few years ago back when he was running as the trump endorsed candidate for senate in pennsylvania, campaigning on a platform to privatize medicare. that would have been a lot of baggage to carry into the senate had he won that seat. campaigning to privatize medicare while he was financially benefiting from such a policy change with his own personal stock holdings and
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his promotion of hybridization schemes. perhaps that is what motivated voters to not elect mehmet oz as their senator. it would be something to drag that with you. it is another thing entirely to drag that into the federal government because dr. oz will now be the person in charge of medicare for the federal government. that is what donald trump just announced. he announced he is damning -- naming dr. mehmet oz. dr. oz is the tv doctor that claimed that red onions can prevent ovarian cancer and green coffee beans are a miracle weight loss cure and he pushed the false claim that malaria medicine can treat covid and what do you know, he owns a mountain of stock in related companies including the makers of the malaria drug.
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and he is about to be a major decision maker about healthcare in charge of the government program he was campaigning to privatize and planning to personally profit from if and when that happened. on the heels of donald trump picking him to run medicare medicaid, we also got news on other healthcare pics during the cdc, donald trump picked a former republican congressman that for years crusaded on the claim that vaccines must be the cause of autism to leave the national institute of health. that candidate endorsed herd immunity as the best way to address the covid pandemic. a fancy way of saying let's get everybody sick and see what happens. call the we can call the elderly. then there is the pick for surgeon general combinations top dr. she is a tv
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station reporting from samoa in 2019. if it seems familiar, it may look and sound like the kind of reports we saw from all over the world in 2020 during the covid pandemic. this was not covid. this happened before. this was 2019, this outbreak that killed more than 80 people. many of them young kids. the government had to order lockdowns to save lives. charities had to ship
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children's coffins to samoa to deal with the shortage of coffins for kids and babies what samoa was experiencing was an epidemic of measles. a preventable epidemic. i say that because measles is a disease for which there has been an effective vaccine for more than 60 years. that entirely preventable disease outbreak in 2019 is now newly relevant because one of the factors that contribute to that was a sudden onset of hostility to vaccination on the island. that hostility was stoked in large part by robert f kennedy junior who donald trump tapped to lead the department of health and human services. his anti-vaccine organization, children's health defense, very aggressively spread anti- vaccine propaganda, not only in the united states but around the world.
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in samoa they claimed the measles vaccine itself was the cause of the outbreak and not the solution. rfk junior lobbied the governor of samoa, telling the governor that vaccination was what caused the spread of measles, not what needed to be done to stop the spread. that is insane. as written in a new op-ed for the new york times, i was in samoa during that outbreak as part of my 16 years of reporting on the movement. the cause of the outbreak was not the vaccine but most likely an infected traveler that brought the virus from new zealand which that year had the biggest outbreaks in decades, especially among the indigenous communities. migration and poverty were likely a factor in a sudden spread. as an editorial reported, so was the fact that robert f kennedy junior specializes in,
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increasing circulation of misinformation, leading to distrust and reduced vaccination up take. joining us now is brian deer, journalist and author of the dr. that fooled the world about the anti-vaccine movement. i appreciate you taking time to join us. >> i think since robert f kennedy junior associated himself first as an independent candidate and secondly , i thin have started to hear about that role. the concept is fuzzy to a lot of people. can you describe the nature of the outbreak, how severe it was and why he is associated with it and thought to be partially responsible for the death toll? >> the plot thickens from what you were saying a moment ago
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and that it is almost certain that the virus got into samoa by flight from auckland. just a little while before that, friends of kennedy have been in auckland in new zealand, with a film that have been promoted in the united states by robert de niro and got a lot of attention which was suggesting that there was fraud at the cdc and there wasn't. they had been touring in auckland where there are a lot of pacific islander communities that became susceptible. it was there that new zealand saw the biggest outbreak of measles in decades. it was no surprise really that the virus did get onto an aircraft and got to samoa. mr. kennedy really has
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questions to answer about his relationship with the people that made the film. mr. kennedy became the executive producer of the sequel and was a close colleague of those that went to new zealand and australia to promote fear of vaccine. that is where it came from. the catastrophic consequences that i witnessed and i spent much of the week of the time talking to mothers about the loss of their children and it was really awful to listen to them. i found myself not being able to stop crying. the accumulation of pain consumed me. it was awful. >> why would somebody like rfk junior have influence in a place like similar as to whether or not people
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vaccinated their kids? why would his influence be something that perniciously accelerated the risk? >> his name opens doors. he has always known that. he is not a lot more than his name. he is not a particularly good lawyer. he pays himself $500,000 per year to run children's health defense that he set up himself. he is not a particularly distinguished man but he got to samoa and went to visit them and went to see the prime minister and tried to convince the prime minister that it was the vaccine causing the death and not the virus. it was an extraordinary thing to do. he has been making this mischief for many years now. >> journalist and author, brian deer, i appreciate you being with us. i would love to have
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that wheels outside influence on the next white house. there is no one in the president-elect's orbit that would doubt the level of mr. epstein's influence. he has become one of the most powerful figures in the early days of the transition and has become a significant gatekeeper, including shaping the information he receives about personnel and cabinet selection. he was reportedly pivotal in securing the ultimately doomed nomination of matt gaetz to be attorney general of the united states and also the nomination of trump's chosen white house counsel. we have been through one transition and administration before. what comes next is as obvious to you as it is to me. the snake pit of jockeying ego that trump cultivates around himself. if this guy boris is seen as ascendant right now in terms of influence than all of the other snakes are activated and all the other people in the orbit will soon come for boris. it is inevitable.
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like the sun rising in the east. somebody is important, not for cuba headlines, cnn 1st to report on allegations flying inside the transition that boris has been trying to cash in on his proximity to trump. imagine what is described as an internal investigation by trump lawyers, reportedly found that he asked potential cabinet nominees to pay him for help getting nominated. to pay as much as $100,000 per month. among the people he tried to shake down was the ultimate nominee for treasury, scott bessent. the legal review did not cough up the cash and he reportedly did not pay boris epstein. there is even a report published in a right-wing outlet that he possibly in
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consultation with jd vance's office, participated in an amateur sting operation in which he tried to get him on tape asking for money in exchange for the nomination. i should say, they have not confirmed any of this reporting. boris epshteyn tells us i am honored to work with president trump. the state claims are false and defamatory and will not distract us from making america great again. of course the transition and presumably the next term will be a cornucopia of infighting and backbiting and allies trying to sabotage each other. seriously, these allegations
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that boris was collecting cash or trying to collect cash in exchange for getting people in the cabinet, raises the prospect that offices are for sale. the possibility that people would think there is a possibility of buying one. there at least has now been a published price for what it takes to get one. the internal review by trump lawyers found that boris epshteyn didn't get money from anyone and he was unable to collect his price . that jives with what we heard as well. we have asked if we could see the supposedly review. do you think they will ever make it public? you think they will give it to us? watch this space. for her. i may not be in perfect health, but i want to stay in my home, where my family visits often and where my memories are. i can do it with help from a prep cook, wardrobe assistant and stylist, someone to help me live right at home.
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us continue the life-saving research and treatment these kids need now and in the future. speaker: cancer makes me feel angry, like not in the feel on the outside, just the inside. i'm angry at it. speaker: when your kid is hurting and there's nothing you can do about it, that's the worst feeling in the world. [music playing] narrator: 1 in 5 children diagnosed with cancer in the us will not survive. speaker: those that donate to st. jude, i hope that you will continue to give. they have done so much for me and my family. [music playing] narrator: join with your credit or debit card for only $19 a month, and we'll send you this st. jude t-shirt, or, for a limited time only, join for $39 a month to receive this exclusive st. jude jacket you can proudly wear to show your support. speaker: are you ready to go have some fun?
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speaker: yeah. speaker: when we came here, we didn't know what tomorrow would hold. st. jude showed us that tomorrow, there's hope for our little girl to survive. narrator: let's cure childhood cancer together. please donate now. [music playing] drop everything and get some magic of your own during the xfinity black friday sale. xfinity internet customers, our best deals of the year are back! switch to xfinity mobile and get your choice of a free 5g phone, plus your next unlimited line free for a year. get amazing savings and connect to wifi speeds up to a gig
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