it is all sort of muddled, the holidays, the kind of recriminations about what happened in the harris campaign, and also, you know, blame being cast about. especially around joe biden and his last days. there is a lot going on. i think at some point democrats will find a more cohesive voice about this, probably when donald trump takes over and starts doing stuff. >> staff writer at the atlantic, mark leibovich, thank you so much. we appreciate it. and thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this wednesday morning. happy thanksgiving, everyone. we are so grateful for you. "morning joe" starts right now. president-elect trump announced last night on truth social that he will implement tariffs on goods imported from canada, china and mexico, so, by next year, if you want extra guacamole, it will be cheaper to go get it. >> apparently trump's tariffs on

mexico will cause the price of modelo and corona beer to go up. every maga supporter heard, well, guess it is time to forget bud light. here we go. >> and poor canada is, like, what did we do? be honest. is this because of drake? >> late night shows reacted to donald trump's threat of new tariffs, the leaders of canada and mexico also responded yesterday, taking very different approaches with president-elect trump. we'll have their comments straight ahead. meanwhile, trump's incoming border czar was in texas yesterday, we'll show you his warning to state and local officials across the country. and rudy giuliani is living with the real life consequences of his lies about two former election workers. we'll tell you what he had to say yesterday in and outside of a courtroom. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, november 27th. thanksgiving eve. i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the morning off. with us, the host of "way too

early," jonathan lemire, msnbc political analyst elise jordan, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department and columnist and associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. good morning to you all. let's hop in with a new cease-fire between israel and hezbollah this morning, which now has gone into effect. president biden announced the deal shortly after israel's security cabinet approved the agreement in a 10-1 vote yesterday. over the next 60 days, hezbollah fighters are expected to retreat from the israeli border while israeli ground forces withdraw from lebanese territory. if the cease-fire holds, it would bring an end to more than a year of fighting between israel and the iranian-backed terrorist group and much longer than that, really. let's bring in nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons live this morning in dubai. keir, we're talking yesterday morning about the potential for this deal. here it is. what more can you tell us about the outlines? >> reporter: yeah.

yeah, well, it has happened. it is a deal between he's rell and lebanon. it is a cease-fire between israel and hezbollah. it happened at 4:00 a.m. there were gunshots, but celebratory gunshots and dancing in the streets and pictures of lines of vehicles with -- some with mattresses strapped on top, heading back to the south of lebanon. families getting back to their homes there despite a warning from the israeli army not to go there yet. those families just too desperate to get back and ignoring that kind of a warning. we now know the details of exactly how this is going to play out, according to the u.s. and israel. it will be 60 days, so two months for the israeli forces to pull out of southern lebanon. the hezbollah will move its heavy weapons back behind the litani river.

you'll have a kind of a buffer zone, and that is what will be policed by coalition, if you like, of u.n. forces of the israeli national army, no boots on the ground, of course from the u.s., no political appetite for that kind of thing, but a deal that was put together by the u.s. and president biden in the rose garden saying peace is possible. and indicating that he hopes that this could be a start toward some kind of a deal with gaza. then there is the negative. right wing in the israeli government talking about this being a failure to bring hezbollah to its knees, this was a wrong time for a cease-fire, ordinary israelis who live in the north, tens of thousands of them talking about not wanting to go back to their homes there because they don't feel safe

with hezbollah still able to operate despite the huge damage that it has taken. in fact, the idf targeted a position inside syria, just on the border as benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister has said that they are determined to continue to prevent hezbollah from rearming. and he warned too, in his televised statement, that they would -- they reserve the right, if you like, israel to strike at hezbollah any moment if there is a sign that it is trying to rearm or build tunnels or anything like that, frankly. and that, of course, raises the question about how long this cease-fire could hold. there have been thousands of deaths, as i say, tens of thousands have been disrupted, they moved from their homes in northern israel. many more not able to get to

their homes in lebanon displaced. i think for both sides, all sides frankly, there was a certain level of war exhaustion here, but the question remains how long does that last for, how long does this cease-fire last for? >> keir, you mentioned hamas. hezbollah joined the fight this time, october 8th, after hamas attacks inside of israel saying they were joining with their resistance brothers in the fight against israel. so, what brought hezbollah to the point where they were prepared to sit down and discuss a cease-fire in a way that hamas obviously has not been so willing to do so. what broke hezbollah in this moment? >> reporter: yeah. well, iran wanted it. i should tell you, iran, this morning, is describing this as a victory for hezbollah. so there was that piece. as you know, hezbollah is a proxy of iran. iran wanted it. clearly hezbollah has taken an absolute beating, frankly, and so, you know, there are those in

israel who say not enough. but certainly it has been a lot. and so the opportunity from hezbollah's point of view to survive, i think, was something that it will have wanted. and we know from about these groups hezbollah, hamas, that they take a long view. so, i think they will know just as everyone does that previous versions of a very similar settlement like this, hezbollah was able to fire on israel and the u.n. forces and the israeli -- and the lebanese army was unable to do anything about that. so, for hezbollah, i think, frankly there is a long arc of history. that's how hezbollah will be viewing it. i should mention too, of course, prime minister netanyahu saying that this cease-fire enables israel to actually focus on iran, to focus its attention on

confronting iran. >> nbc's keir simmons joining us this morning, live from dubai. keir, thanks so much, as always. we appreciate it. david ignatius, you're writing about this cease-fire this morning. president biden was enthusiastic about it yesterday in the rose garden when he announced that this was brokered by the united states and other partners. how did we get to this cease-fire? as keir says, we'll see how long it holds, but for now, as you write this morning, diplomacy getting a rare win in the region. >> so this was a product of many months of old-fashioned shuttle diplomacy by president biden's emissary. amos hochstein, who traveled between jerusalem and beirut, who traveled to see what the parameters of a deal to end the fighting might be. i think the truth is that the cease-fire in many ways marks a victory for israel. israel as prime minister netanyahu said yesterday has

broken the back of hezbollah, killed by his account thousands of hezbollah fighters in assassinating the head of hezbollah, hassan nasrallah. netanyahu said they had destroyed the axis of the axis. so, hezbollah's very much back on its heels. as keir said, there has been a tacit blessing from iran. my sources told me yesterday that there had been back channel contacts between the u.s. and iran to describe this deal, a senior administration official confirmed that there are regular direct contacts between the u.s. and iran. and it may be that iran thinks hezbollah can be rebuilt, come back another day. the essential requirement for this deal to work is that the lebanese armed forces, the laf, as lebanese call them, deploys in the south in the areas that hezbollah has left and stays there as a strong and unified

presence, that that army has a lot of shia in it, people who were subject to pressure from hezbollah. if it can stay independent, and be the symbol of lebanese sovereignty, restored after decades, when hezbollah really was the state within the state that controlled things, then it begins to be a different lebanon. i should also say, willie that this may mark the beginning of a period of broader peacemaking and negotiations. the u.s. is redoubling its efforts to get a cease-fire in the gaza war, that would amount to a surrender by hamas, but there is now effort on that. and president biden said in his rose garden press session yesterday that he still holds out strong hope for a deal for saudi normalization of relations with israel. that would be a significant breakthrough in the middle east. it is something that i think both crown prince muhammad bin

salman of saudi arabia and prime minister netanyahu deeply want as a security against iran, as a symbol of a transformed middle east. in these remaining months there is going to be an awful lot for the biden team to do. >> prime minister netanyahu yesterday supported this deal, defended the deal to more right wingers in the cabinet saying that the losses that hezbollah took, which is so extraordinary, and starting with the pager attack and the rest, that they have really set hezbollah back here, but let's take a big picture look here about the middle east. you mentioned iran, regime sort of hanging on for survival right now. you know, the incoming trump administration looms over the not just this deal, but any potential deal in gaza. how do you see this moment precarious moment in the middle east? >> so, jonathan, we often think -- thought during this

last year of essentially foodless u.s. diplomacy that our power was receding. i found yesterday's events are a reminder that the united states is, as is often said, the indispensable player. really only the u.s. that could have brokered the cease-fire in lebanon. it is really only the u.s. that can maintain the momentum toward a truce in gaza. for better or worse, like it or not, our role in the middle east is going to continue. and there is going to be inherited by president trump. interestingly, senior officials who are briefing me and other reporters made clear that they have been in touch with trump's most senior national security advisers as these negotiations were reaching a climax to tell them what they were doing, to make sure they were supportive, so i think there is more continuity between the biden team and the incoming trump team here than there may be on some other issues. >> so, elise, obviously this is good news for the moment.

a lot of people who lived through the region and lived through what happens around israel in the middle east is taking a wait and see approach as to whether this actually holds. israel reserving its right to attack inside of lebanon, hezbollah, if there is, in fact, an attack on them, of course. but the question now that david raises is about hamas and about what happens next in gaza. the president spoke from the rose garden about that yesterday saying that the people of gaza have suffered enough, the hostages, the israeli hostages have suffered enough. it is time for that to end. unclear, though, how they find a similar path with hamas that they found with hezbollah. >> and president biden also said that he still wants to push for the remaining american hostages. they believe four americans are still alive out of the seven remaining hostages to be released. and also president biden struck an optimistic tone about israel's saudi normalization, which seems a little bit impossible given the short timeline here.

but at a bare minimum, it is encouraging that president biden's administration was able to get this achievement. the incoming president trump's team said, great, go ahead, it seems like they are working hand and hand for now and that's a good sign. >> it is a good sign for now. "the washington post" david ignatius, we'll be reading you as always in "the post" this morning. thank you very much . good to see you. leaders responding to president-elect trump's pledge to impose sweeping tariffs on his first day in office. steve rattner joins us to break down trump's plan and the potential economic consequences here in america and around the world. "morning joe" is back in just 90 seconds. world. "morning joe" is back in just 90 seconds. to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a game changer for my patients. it really works. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ woah, limu! we're in a parade. everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance

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a picture of the white house, 6:15 on thanksgiving eve. president-elect donald trump's plan for new tariffs on goods from mexico, canada and china sparking concern among some u.s. industries. nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson reports on how businesses are bracing for the potential impact. >> reporter: the day after the election, deer stags owner rick musket called his shoe factory in china to stockpile whatever they could send before inauguration day, and before long promised trump tariffs kick in. >> we would take everything they could get us to ship before chinese new year. >> reporter: that move may be just in time, with

president-elect trump now announcing on his first day in office not just a 10% added tariff on china, but also 25% tariffs on anything imported from mexico and canada, america's two biggest trading partners. online, mr. trump suggesting its retaliation for the fentanyl entering the u.s., those countries deflecting blame, and the president-elect referencing migrants coming from mexico and canada. >> i had a good call with donald trump last night again. we talked about the challenges we can work on together. >> reporter: mr. trump's proposal could blow up the trade agreement he himself helped negotiate in his first term. >> we got it done. >> reporter: and could be challenged in court. remember, tariffs are a tax on things other countries send here. and those other countries don't pay the tax directly. it gets passed down to companies instead and often to you. the u.s. relies on both canada and mexico for cars and car parts, from chevy pickups to chrysler minivans. so the auto industry now bracing

for a blow, including in states like michigan, which mr. trump won. mexico supplies more than half the fruits and veggies coming into the u.s., meaning your grocery bill could rise too. already economists predict inflation could tick up nearly a percent, if these tariffs go into effect and that's still and if, since mr. trump used the threat of tariffs as a negotiating tactic before. but if he follows through -- >> we're small business and we can't afford to carry all the costs. >> reporter: the owner of this washington pet store worry about having to charge their customers more, because the shop would pay more for imported harnesses and toys. >> there is a point at which the consumer is going to say, you know, this isn't in my family's budget. we can't do this. >> hallie jackson reporting there. mexico's president claudia sheinbaum slammed trump's tariff threat yesterday, suggesting her country could retaliate with its own tariffs. she also claimed migrant caravans are no longer reaching

the border with the united states. the comments were made during a press conference yesterday in which she read from a letter she sent to donald trump. she said, quote, allocating even a fraction of what the united states spends on warfare toward peace building and development would address the deeper drivers of migration. sheinbaum went on to blame the united states for its role in drug trafficking, saying, quote, 70% of the illegal weapons seized from criminals in mexico come from your country. tragically, it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours. president sheinbaum of mexico in a letter to donald trump. we mentioned donald trump also threatened additional 10% tariff on goods from china, for its role in fentanyl trafficking. yesterday, a spokesperson for china's foreign ministry called the drug issue a, quote, american problem, saying china has provided support in dealing with that and that the u.s. should, quote, cherish china's goodwill. joining us now former treasury

official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve rattner and congressional reporter for "the hill" mychael schnell. good morning to you both. good to see you. steve, you've been educating us about tariffs for many years now. 25% in mexico, 20% in canada our two largest trading partners would do what in your eyes to the price of everyday goods here in the united states? >> it is going to raise it pretty significantly, willie. as your report from hallie jackson just said, one of the things i think we all learned during the campaign is that tariffs are a tax, they add to the price of goods, not paid for by the companies, they're paid for by consumers. let me make one point that doesn't get underlined the way it should in this debate, which is it doesn't just raise the price of the goods that are imported from that foreign country, some washing machine from china, some car from mexico, whatever, it raises the price of all of those goods. because the fact that one of the real points of tariffs is if you raise the price on an imported good that is not competing with

the u.s. manufacturer, it allows the u.s. manufacturer to also raise his prices to that same level. and so if we put a tariff on chinese washing machines as we did under the first president trump term, it is going to raise the price of all washing machines in the country. it could add as much as 1% to inflation, which is a lot given inflation is not yet down to the 2% target that the fed has established. >> given the team that donald trump has assembled. his proposed cabinet choices,ed aadvisers, is it a group of people who would be supportive of this? there is still that idea this is rhetoric, he's trying to get mexico to crack down on the border, trying to get china to stop its bad behavior and he's going to impose these tariffs. do you believe they will come into play on day one? >> i don't necessarily believe they're going to come into play on day one. we know trump's negotiating tactic, take the most extreme position possible and then you work yourself back from that.

and indeed in this first term, he did impose some tariffs. but they were never these 10% across the board to every import or 25% and so forth. i think we can take a little bit of nervous solace from the appointments so far, scott bessent at treasury, howard lutnick at congress and kevin hassett yesterday appointed to head the national economic council. i wouldn't call -- i wouldn't necessarily call them pro trade or antitariff people, but they are, i think, more measured. it is very notable that robert lighthizer, the adviser to trump during the campaign, most vocal about tariffs, does not have a government position. one of his deputies from the first term will be the special trade representative, but that's put under howard lutnick now who is a bit more moderate and peter navarro who is the biggest spear-carrying wild-eyed antichina guy in the first trump administration does not have a position at all yet. we can find a few slightly

hopeful signs that there will be some grown-ups in the room as they go through this process. >> peter navarro of green bay sweep fame. that was his effort to overturn the election. mychael, this was an election largely fought about the economy and prices, inflation. polls suggested it was one of the biggest drivers of voters to republicans. if donald trump goes through this, prices are going to rise again. how does congress right now, senate and house with very slim majority, how are republicans feeling about this? >> it is a bit of a mixed bag. we're hearing from a number of those hard-line conservative republicans who say this is great, mexico, china, canada, they need to face these tariffs, we're hearing from some border state republicans who say this needs to be done to stop the spread of fentanyl to stop the spread -- the illegal immigration, which is what president-elect trump has tied it to. but there are still some skeptics. for example, chuck grassley, long time senator, republican from iowa, he's conservative, you can definitely argue he's conservative. he said he's concerned about the

potential effect of these tariffs, about these raising prices, but what he came back in the second breath and said, i see this as a negotiating tactic. i think a lot of republicans are saying that, this is what trump does, he makes those lofty threats, and uses that as a negotiating tactic to bring folks to the table. i think republicans are concerned about the rising prices and inflation that can come with this. they're hoping that it is going to be a negotiating tactic and these tariffs won't actually make it come to fruition. >> steve, you certainly have not been exactly optimistic that donald trump's tenure is going to return to the american dream as you recently wrote in the times. can you talk a little bit about the source of your overall pessimism, about the economic environment that donald trump faces, and his proposed solutions to it? >> yeah, look, if you believe that two of the biggest problems we face in this country are maintaining inflation at a low level and getting it back to 2% and what i call restoring the

american dream, the fact that we have had so many workers left behind, the fact that the famous white working class people out in ohio have seen their wages after inflation go down, and huge pressures people have on their costs, it is very hard to find anything in the trump 2.0 shall we call it program that would address that. he's talking about tariffs, which we just talked about, inflationary. he's talked about massive tax cuts on all kinds of different things from overtime pay to tips and so forth, massively increasingly the deficit potentially which puts upward pressure on interest rates and makes it harder for people to buy houses and also creates more inflation when we spend more money. and so when you go through -- and then, of course, supporting all the illegal immigrants, many people who are very engaged productively in the country, and who we still need, we still have more jobs than we have people looking for jobs. all of these things are actually negatives for the economy.

so, it is going to be interesting how it plays out, i justify don't see how his policies line up with what we need to do to address the problems we're facing. >> part of this also is the tax cut, if the tax cut comes back, which the vast majority of which the benefits went to rich people, to corporations or people making over $75,000 a year, if that comes back, what does that do to the economy? >> that's the thing. it is a $4 trillion bill for the next ten years to simply extend the trump tax credits at a time when we're already running a $2 trillion deficit of . it flies against all sorts of economic wisdom when the economy is doing reasonably well, as it is at the moment, in terms of growth, you don't then put in effect put more gasoline on the fire. that's not the way to run economic policy. they talked about all the spending cuts, but there really isn't enough -- it is another discussion for another day,

there really isn't enough spending that you actually can cut without getting into social security, medicare defense, can't cut interest on the debt and so forth. >> michael, let's shift to another part of the trump transition. his team struck an agreement with the biden administration, the federal government for the transition funding program and the like. he has now filled out his cabinet. still a few key posts, fbi director among them, that haven't been named yet. but shaping up to be a bit of a fight here on a few of the picks. what is the latest as to what republicans, particularly those in the senate, feel about tulsi gabbard, robert f. kennedy jr. and pete hegseth. >> the three names we keep coming back to, since we should note the three names since matt gaetz which was removed from consideration for attorney general, he was the one receiving the most scrutiny, he was receiving the most oxygen in the room with him out of the question, we're now hearing about those three. rfk, pete hegseth and tulsi gabbard. and the concerns are there. particularly pete hegseth right now, he's the one getting the most scrutiny.

most in the spotlight. the details that came out from that police report about that alleged sexual assault in 2017, those are raising concerns among senators, right? and tulsi gabbard, her past foreign international travel, her past comments about the russia and ukraine war, parroting things said on russian state tv, causing concern. and rfk jr. and his vaccine skepticism. we're going to see how this all plays out with, a, their meetings with senators on capitol hill, b, what the confirmation hearings look like, the information that comes out, the questions that are asked, and, c, that all important vote that is going to come in likely the first few weeks of the trump administration. right now, what we're hearing from republican senators is that there are some of these concerns, but folks are keeping an open mind. they want to say that president-elect trump has the opportunity to fill his cabinet with people who he wants to, they want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but they're going to come armed with their fair share of questions come those confirmation hearings. it is going to come down to a numbers game. it is simple majority to confirm the folks.

republicans have 53 seats in the senate. if it is a 50-50, jd vance would break the tie. there are a good handful of these republicans on capitol hill in the senate who are not trump's biggest fans. it is the names you talk about all the time, susan collins, lisa murkowski, thom tillis, a few of them. depending how they vote depends on the nominees, and depending on how many they're willing to tank and vote no against. it would be a pretty resounding thing for republican to vote against a republican president's nominee. it is going to be interesting to see how many they're willing to stick their neck out on and tank when you're dealing with the potential rath and retribution that could come from the president-elect with the cabinet. >> there is the sense from the trump side that, okay, we pulled matt gaetz back, we gave you one, we heard you, you don't like him, we were told to step back, don't cross us on the other ones, he was the sacrificial lamb. when you dig through pete hegseth and the stories and the

views of bobby kennedy jr. and tulsi gabbard's affinity for russia, assad and syria, and things like that, there are real concerns among republicans. do you think as one of the first acts in this new presidency, though, that they will, enough of them anyway, it takes four, enough of them will step out and cross him, at least on one or two of them. >> they didn't actually have to use too much political capital on matt gaetz. the writing was on the wall right there from the outset. it was clear from the private conversations, but also from the public conversation that matt gaetz did not have any chance of becoming attorney general. especially with that house ethics report hanging over his head. so these republicans who are not the biggest fans of trump, they still have that political capital, they haven't fully put it to use yet. now, as you mentioned, the big question is do they want to do this right out the gate and that's the key question here, but, again, we're talking about folks who don't have a strong affinity for donald trump. susan collins and lisa murkowski admitted they didn't even vote

for him. so i don't know if that calculus is going to play in too much. we talk about it, they're willing to take this vote. >> able to save their fire, they didn't have to take the vote against gaetz. i'm told by those on the hill that hegseth is the one who is in most trouble with the picks and if trump were to nominate kash patel for a job that would require senate confirmation, he would be in trouble as well. i'm told those in mar-a-lago are leaning toward installing him somewhere else, perhaps deputy position where he wouldn't have to face that vote. >> and people care deeply about intelligence and our country and are very, very concerned about tulsi gabbard as well. mychael chnell, thank you for your reporting. we'll take a quick break from news and politics with a preview of tomorrow's thanksgiving football. "morning joe" is back in a moment. football "morning joe" is back in a moment dicare and medicaid, i have some really encouraging news that you'll definitely want to hear. depending on the plans available in your area, you may be eligible to get extra benefits with a humana medicare advantage dual-eligible

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look at that. live picture of the macy's thanksgiving day parade balloons going up along central park west here in new york city, getting ready for the parade tomorrow. weather doesn't look like it is quite going to cooperate with us, but we're hoping it will pass through and the parade goes on as always. >> perfect day to watch it on television. >> yes, and followed by a perfect day of mostly good football tomorrow. thanksgiving day games in the nfl start with an nfc north matchup between the first place detroit lions and the chicago

bears. then just in time for your afternoon nap, cowboys host the giants in the battle at the bottom of the nfc east. the green bay packers cap the holiday against the miami dolphins. for the second year in a row, the nfl will feature a game on black friday. kansas city chiefs hosting the raiders. let's bring in the host of pablo torre finds out on meadowlark media, msnbc contributor pablo torre. good to see you. >> good to be at the kids table with you guys. >> right where we belong. >> yeah. >> it used to be that we tolerated the detroit lions on thanksgiving. just a tradition and maybe see barry sanders rip off a few runs and that was fun. >> your aunt's dish but you didn't love, it is tradition, i guess we're doing the lions again. >> now they're the arguably the best team in the information. >> in one of the greatest divisions we have ever seen. for people not familiar with the nfc north, lions at the top, second place, vikings, packers, bears. so the bears, look, the bears

are, know, they're the low man on this totem pole, but the reanother is reality is, they have been all nail biters, heart breaking losses for the bears. to me, the lions, i know they're the in house pick, we picked them as a show, chiefs and lions for the super bowl. this is really good. really close and these are not the lions of grandma, not to slander every relative in your household, but this is not them. this is an exciting super charged team. >> they're fun to watch. we'll skip the giants for a second and stay in the nfc with the packers who they're only two games behind the lions in the division. and really as you said vikings look really good this year. the packers are right there too. >> whatever sort of, like, portrait of dorian gray arrangement aaron rodgers has had, jordan love has been thriving. he looked every bit like a guy

who should have replaced him even earlier. the opponent here in the dolphins, you know, it is hard not to focus on quarterbacks when you talk about the big national tv games, but there is jordan love on one side and tua tagovailoa on the other side. and tua, for those not familiar with him, you know, a zillion concussions and he's back and it is, like, should he be playing and you sort of feel about tua and the nfl, is this okay, is this safe? he was amazing last week. >> he didn't play an nfl team, he beat the new england patriots last week. i will say though that dolphins they're playing better of late. kickoff temperature in green bay, 26 degrees. miami dolphins have lifetime record wins 0-187,000. i'm pretty sure they're not -- >> good stat. >> you talk about quarterbacks, talk about the two quarterbacks who are playing in the giants and cowboys game, one that i hope most of america had enough turkey that the tryptophan kicks in. >> can i make a plea to jerry jones? can i look into this camera?

there is time to sign daniel jones. you can do it. daniel jones, giants quarterback, disgraced, started at safety in a practice and now released for his own request, he's floating around out there. it is embarrassing. cooper rush for the cowboys. not tommy devito because i think he's hurt right now which means you go to drew lock and so this is the sadness bowl effectively. giants and cowboys. if he wants to sign daniel jones and put real housewives level of soap opera into this, yeah, i think america wants that. we all want this. give us some excitement in this one. >> you know daniel jones is going to have the saquon story, leave new york, have a hall of fame career after that. speaking of new york quarterbacks, the jets don't play until sunday but aaron rodgers is addressing rumor s h wants out of new york next

season. here is what he said on the pat mcafee show. >> as far as my future goes, i haven't told anybody in my life that i want to play in 2025 and not on the jets. so that's 100% false. i actually said the opposite, you know. i said that i'm going to wait and see what happens with -- at the end of the season and if they want me back and what happens with brick and what happens with the offensive staff and obviously the gm at the time and, you know, then they just fired joe, there is a lot of things out of my control when it comes to that. but i really enjoyed my time in new york. i mean, obviously haven't had success that we all wanted to have. but, you know, i made some great friendships on the team. i enjoyed living in jersey. i've enjoyed time in the city. i've enjoyed getting to know the fans. and i came here to win here. so i'm not jumping off ship, you know, like, oh, i definitely want to play and not in new york.

like, i don't know if i want to play yet. but new york would be my first option. >> back page of the daily news hire, on this very topic, rodgers, 41 on monday, said he'll base his decision on how his body feels. he's got everything that the jets -- he's after the jets, he's got the receivers to come in, the coach fired and all the other things and yet still here he is and here are the jets. >> the real question here is will the jets want him back? aaron rodgers has been so terrible this year. and the jets have been so disappointing. it is not clear to me they would welcome him back with open arms. >> his quote is, i'm not ready to jump off ship yet. i'm glad the iceberg weighed in on whether the "titanic" is a sea worthy vessel. gm, coach, nobody has been more powerful as a quarterback, as an employee of a professional sports team than aaron rodgers. and nobody has been more depersonalized and passive aggressive in how he talks about that responsibility.

it is bizarre. and if you watch this tv show long enough, the aaron rodgers show, you know he's shoveling a bunch of bleep and the jets, do they want to eat it? we'll find out next season. >> he may grace them with his presence. a terrible it year. a little college football. the rankings came out last night. oregon, ohio state, texas, penn state, the latest rankings. indiana drops five spots to ten after that loss to ohio state. notre dame replaces the hoosiers at five, followed by miami, georgia, tennessee, and smu. good for them. moving up four spots to number nine with the absence of alabama and ole miss at the s.e.c., both lost for the third time this season. looks like three losses isn't going to make the cut this year. but can we talk about speaking of alabama, they played vanderbilt earlier this year. i don't know if you heard. >> sources close to the

situation. >> a bit of an upset. alabama number one at the time. >> you dig in, in your latest podcast episode, you dig into the art of tearing down the goal posts. one of which was torn down vanderbilt walked throw miles i believe it was down lower broadway and thrown into the cumberland river. >> yes. >> it is just incredible. this has been the season of goal post teardowns. i've never seen it like this. vanderbilt, by the way, not to just do this because joe is not here and willie is here, but just revel in this. do you have the night vision police helicopter footage? this is my favorite part. if you want to know what an american tradition this is, this is a night vision police helicopter watching the mob of vandy fans doing what every fan base does with their goal post, throw them into the body of water nearest them. this is what happens. and the reality of what this tradition is, of course, it is

unique to college football. you never see this in the nfl. this is self-destruction in the most ecstatic revolutionary way. oklahoma, alabama, just this past weekend, we saw it there, at asu and byu, lehigh and lafayette, across this nation people are doing this and simultaneously. this is the best. this is clanking a goal post offer the bridge in lehigh, pennsylvania. >> lehigh? >> bethlehem? >> yes. what happens is this happens so often, they're trying to now stop this. okay. they, big capital they, big goal post college administrators, night vision police helicopters, there is an invention, i want to -- can we show the hydraulic goal post? do we have this? okay. so this is -- this is our -- there it is. there it is. how to tear this down, more difficult now because these exist. when you watch college football this weekend, next weekend, the rest of the season, they have a big red button to put security

on top of this thing and protect it. it is incredibly effective, avoided teardowns. on my show, as you maybe glimpsed. we have an illustrated guide, not endorsing this, but saying if you wanted to do this, before it gets banned, get a crew, wobble that thing, the goose neck. like a thanksgiving turkey, attack the goose neck by balancing. it is very complicated. >> i will note when columbia university won its first share of an ivy league football title in 60 years, the goal posts at baker field remained upright and not in the hudson river. >> they had a good year. >> i was worried you were going to say it was going to be like electric shock. that's gentle. that's kind. >> that may be next. >> i learned from sources at vanderbilt how expensive goal posts are. wow, they're really -- >> these are -- >> hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> what is funny is now big goal posts has been selling schools like you need a backup just in case. this happens a lot. >> i feel like, pablo, we need a

threshold, an agreed upon threshold for when the goal post comes down. no offense. if you're vanderbilt, and you never beat alabama, and alabama is number one, and this never happens, that's a nice moment. if it is, like, you know, alabama and oklahoma, do these need to come down? >> i'm in favor of a populist democracy. the people decide. the people decide. the power is with the american people. how dare you? >> great pablo. >> i thought we were avoiding politics this holiday season? >> great to see you, man. happy thanksgiving. >> man of the people. >> the podcast is "pablo torre finds out," more gems like this on meadowlark media. pablo, thank you. see you. still ahead, we'll speak with national security adviser jake sullivan to discuss the u.s. brokered cease-fire agreement between israel and hezbollah and what comes next. also ahead, tony award winning actress idina menzel joins us live in studio to preview her upcoming broadway

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will travel to see loved ones, whether they're stuck in traffic or at airport, saying the words we're never doing this again and a year goes by and we're doing it again and that is the real magic of thanksgiving, i think. and that of course the food. 35% of americans consider turkey to be their least favorite thanksgiving dish. tucky is like the aqua man of thanksgiving. it might not be your favorite, but the justice league is not complete without them. and brus you will sprouts were at the bottom of the list. and try handing them out for halloween. once again at the top of the list, most popular thanksgiving food is the 10 milligram pot you eat on the way to your in laws. >> i think it is potatoes. >> like a mac and cheese and stuffing and i'm partial to

pecan pie. >> i think a good pecan pie. chess pie and then sweet potato casserole, broccoli casserole. corn bread. >> speaking like a woman from mississippi. >> i could give you all of the unhealthy foods that you need. >> that is what the holiday is for. >> that is the best holiday. >> mike barnical le is with us. does he agree. >> where are you on the power rankings of thanksgiving dishes, where do you come down. >> i like cherokee, but i love beef gravy and mash potatoes. just pour it right over the mashed potatoes and go for it. that is all i need. i've got to go out and hunt for a turkey today. i have my eye on a stop and shop down the road and try and pick one up. >> reach right into the freezer with the heroic takedown. the mashed potatoes are key you have to get a bunch of sticks of

butner there. don't worry about health tomorrow. more on thanksgiving coming up later. at the top of the hour, just before 7:00 on the east coast. a cease-fire twin israel and hezbollah has taken effect bringing an end to a year of fighting. andrea mitchell has the latest. >> reporter: just hours after new strikes against hezbollah, the u.s. designates as a terror group. president biden announcing both sides have agreed to a cease-fire. >> let's be clear. israel did not launch this war. the lebanese people did not seek that war either. >> reporter: the latest conflict started a day after the october 7th hamas attacks when hezbollah began firing rocketing into israel, with the deal some 80,000 israelis who evacuated from the north could now go home.

while lebanese officials say more than 3,000 of its citizens have been killed and more than 1 million displaced by the strikes. the israeli prime minister backing it. netanyahu also saying israel has killed hezbollah's leader and its top deputies destroyed most of the group's missiles and rockets, kimmed thousands of terrorists and destroyed their tunnels. netanyahu also saying israel reserves right to resume fighting if hezbollah breaks the cease-fire and he'll focus on the threat from iran while president biden is hoping for a deal in gaza. >> people of gaza have been through hell. and hamas refused for months and months to negotiate a good-faith cease-fire and a hostage deal. and so now hamas has a choice to make. they're only way out is to release the hostages and including american citizens. >> and re mitchell reporting.

joining us now white house security adviser jake sullivan. good morning. good to have you with us. if you can, now that this is out in the open and announced by the president, take us back to the origins of this deal and how you got to a place that some people thought was impossible, which is a cease-fire, with a caveat that it will hold from both sides, about you how you got ezbollah to the table and how you got israel to agree to the cease-fire. >> as you know, and thank you for having me, this war began the day offer october 7th, after the brutal massacre of israelis on october 7th. it began because hezbollah started firing at israel and they have fired consistently for months and months. they have forced tens of thousands of israeli citizens from their homes and so israel fought back. app what we've seen over the course of the last few months is that israel has been able to badly de greece hezbollah, take

out their terrorist infrastructure, eliminate their top leaders and destroy they're rocket and missile tock piles to the point where hezbollah does not represent anything like the organization was before october 7th. that has put israel in the position to come to the table from a position of strength. and on the side of lebanon, the people of lebanon did not want this war and did not want to be held hostage in the war by hezbollah. so the stakeholders in lebanon were prepared to come to the table but it required intense persistent american diplomacy led by months, coordinating in this building behind me and it finally culminated in the cease-fire that took effect this morning. this is a good step in the middle east. there is more work to do in gaza and elsewhere, but we be this is beginning of an opportunity for a more stable middle east in which israel's security ais assured and u.s. interests are secured.

>> everyone watching this knows that hezbollah was a iran backed group. what role did iran have in reaching the settlement. >> iran was not involved in the negotiations, but hezbollah didn't make decisions independently of iran so there were consultations between hezbollah and iran. so at the table was the united states with the support of countries and allies like france and lebanon on one side and in indirect negotiations. iran has been weakened. the main proximately ally in the middle east hezbollah is now a shadow of its former self and we've been able to achieve this without the united states being dragged into a war in the middle east and that is a good thing. now we turn our attention to bring about a cease-fire and hostage deal in gaza and build for a brighter future in the middle east. and we don't know how long it will take to achieve that but we'll use every last day in

office to try to achieve it. >> and jonathan lemire. president biden vowing to bring home american hostages in gaza, to get that deal done. you could update us as to the status of talks? there has been a number of occasions in recent months where it felt like a deal was imminent and then fallen apart. what is the deal from hamas and from prime minister netanyahu of israel. >> president biden spoke with prime minister netanyahu before going out to announce that the cease-fire had been accepted by both sides. he agreed we should take another run at getting a good deal, a good cease-fire hostage deal that brings hostages home, including american citizens and president biden intends to begin that work today, by having his envoys engage with turkey, qatar, egypt and other actors in the region. there have been ongoing indirect contacts with the mediators in

recent weeks and we believe that we have a cease-fire in lebanon, it will grow to reach a deal. i can't predict if and when it will happen but we'll put every ounce of efforts into making it happen and get the hostages home. >> mike barnicle, in it region, you have to -- even if it is for a moment celebrate when diplomacy prevails because it is so rare and it has done so in the case of this cease-fire. >> there is reason to celebrate, obviously, willie, but there is a fuse always lit in that region of the world. and jake, i would like to ask you about that fuse that remains burning in some places in the middle east. there is the president of the united states, there is the secretary of the state tony blinken, and hochstein and the director of the cia, all of you coordinated around the single goal of getting a cease-fire done. so a cease-fire has been em

pleamented for the moment. you could talk about the degree of difficulty in coordinating all of these efforts and various trips to various countries in the middle east and coming up to a point where there seems to be success for moment and maybe further success down the road. how hard has this been? >> i think it is a great question, mike. and the answer is very, very hard. it is never easy to achieve a day like today in the middle east. and in particular, given just the extent and the depth of the conflict we've seen over last year. it was particularly difficult. i would just make three points. first, diplomacy doesn't happen in a vaccine. it happens backed by deterrence and by military deployment that could shape the decisions of our adversaries and at critical moments president biden coordinated here at the white house with the defense department to deploy american aircraft carriers and fighter squadrons and even a

sophisticated american air defense battery to israel to send a clear message that we would defend israel and deter our enemies. that set the conditions. second, at critical moments the united states backed israel in the steps it took to dismantle southern lebanon so it could look its people in the eye and say this deal will allow you to return home. and as you said, the intense requirements from france and other allies, at the united nations in other places, all of that is in a way a multi-dimensional game of chess that has to be coordinated out of this building behind me. led by the president of the united states and executed by that group of people you just said. we're proud of what we've accomplished. but we can't rest on our laurels because now this needs to be implement and it means we're rolling up our sleeves to go back to work.

>> your successor, mike waltz celebrated, touted this deal yesterday. he posted on x, though, saying this, everyone is coming to the table because of president trump. his resounding victory sent a clear message to the rest of the world that chaos won't be tolerated and i'm glad to see de-escalation in the middle east. there is some idea that terrorist groups are falling in line because a new administration might be tougher on them. what is your response? >> well, first, we've had good coordination with the incoming team and i've kept congressman waltz apprised, including yesterday as we were closing this out. i'm glad to see that they're welcoming it. it makes me marley proud to ahave achieved this because you know you've done a good thing when other people want to take credit for it. as far as i'm concerned, this is positive for america. i'm not here to talk about credit. i'm here to report to the american people that this has gone into effect and to explain to the american people that it

is the result of relentless diplomacy led by the president of the united states who is currently sitting in the oval office, president joe biden. >> jake, elise jordan here, let's talk about the humanitarian conditions on ground in gaza, in northern gaza in particular. the u.n. has warned there is a risk of famine and the head of the humanitarian agency has said that israel has not been letting aid shipments in. and we had heard 30 days ago or so threatened to withhold aid if that aid did not get to gaza and to the population that needs it. where are we with getting the aid to help this horrific situation on the ground in. >> well, as you know, secretary of state tony blinken and secretary of defense lloyd austin sent a letter to their israeli counterparts. it was not a threat, it was a list of requests that the united states was making consistent with our values and international law to get more aid into gaza. on some of those requests we've seen progress. on others we have not seen

enough progress. we've seen more aid go into gaza since the letter was sent. but not enough. and in particular, as you know, not enough into northern gaza where there are areas of very intense active fighting. so we are very much focused on working with israel and the united nations to surge more aid and more humanitarian assistance through more crossings so we avert the brink of famine. it is been through relentless american diplomacy that we've gotten aid in to stave it off. it is our intention that we get as much life saving to the people of gaza even as israel continues to take the fight to hamas. >> we'll see if a cease-fire could be reached there again as well. a cease-fire between israel and hezbollah brokered by the biden administration. jake sullivan, jake thanks so much and happy thanksgiving to you. >> thank you, guys. still ahead, kamala harris delivers a message to her supers

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another important study showed that trump voters are more likely to bring up the election than kamala harris voters. and that 36% of trump voters are actually planning to bring it up at thanksgiving dinner. which means now might be a good time to get that covid you've been wanting all year. families -- no matter who you voted for and while this year might be particularly tricky, the good news is there are lots of experts giving a lot of advice on how to handle a potentially controversial conversation at the dinner table. >> health officials have some tips on how to stop politics from ruining your holiday. >> set expectations both the gathering. >> decide the topics are off limits. >> lead politics at the door. >> and stick to topics that you enjoy. >> i'm not comfortable talking about this. >> we're talking self-care and saying no when you have to. >> don't take the bait.

>> do some deep breathing or take a little bit of time. >> if things get heated, reach for a glass of ice water. >> reap out to a therapist. >> we have to agree to disagree and pass the sweet potatoes. >> go walk away and put on a movie. >> you could say, look, this is my house and my rules. >> and november is diabetes awareness month. >> just pour a glass of ice water and it all goes away. those are some tips, they want thanksgiving not to be fun and have a bunch of rancor. >> i think we're overthinking thanksgiving. just be with the people you love. >> don't watch the giants game. >> no, that makes things much worse. and joining us now from politics nation, the rev rand al sharpton joins us. you have been handing out turkeys. you do that every year.

>> last night we gave out over 200 turkeys at house of justice, lieutenant governor delgado joined us. and tomorrow we feed hot meals. i have thanksgiving deal with my daughters and i at the house of justice in harlem and then we're going to church and i have half in the morning and half in brooklyn in the evening. but part of thanksgiving for me has been spending it with others. when i was much younger, james brown would hand out turkeys so i picked up the habit about 32 years ago and that is how i spend thanksgiving and that is how my kids grew up. >> i used to give out turkeys with james brown in augusta, georgia. >> i never realized how historical he was until later in life. i just took it for granted. >> what a life you have. >> like i take sitting with jonathan lemire.

>> we all take it for granted. >> i get compared to james brown all of the time. >> same energy. all right. vice president kamala harris and tim walz had a meeting and here is what their told their supporters. >> let me say to everyone on this call. i am so grateful to you and so thankful to you. i'm thankful for your love of our country an your willingness to put the work into it. >> we need to be that anchor for the folks who are wondering what is next. and each of you did the work. you took time out of your busy lives and you continue to do it and it makes a difference, and there will be a day of reckoning when it is asked what did you do during the 2024 campaign and i know the people on this call

will say everything they possibly could and for that i'm incredibly grateful. >> and i know this is an uncertain time. i'm clear eyed about that. i know you're clear eyed about it and it feels heavy. an i just have to remind you, don't you ever let anybody take your power from you. you have the same power that you did before november 5th. and you have the same purpose that you did. and you have the same ability engage and inspire. >> vice president harris talking to her supporters one more time. so, rev, there have been so many after action reports about what exactly happened. we do have to remind people, despite the fact that donald trump did sweep through the battleground states how close every state was outside of arizona. they were all within one, two or three points and nationally donald trump has dipped below a

majority, at 49.9 and kamala harris at 48.3. she lost by 2.5 million votes. he won clearly. got 77 million votes is a lot of votes. but just to remind people. as predicts going in, how close this race was. soul searching and how democrats talk to voters. but with three weeks distance now, what are you saying to people around thanksgiving time who say, rev, where do we go from here as democrats. >> i think we need to look at the fact that if they had a choice, they could try to go for the voters they didn't think they could get. and go deeper in trying to get them. or to try to energize the base they knew that was there but was not energized and enthusiastic. and i think that is where the debate will be. there are those of us that will say you should have dug deeper into the base and if philadelphia and pittsburgh came out more you would have won

pennsylvania and same with milwaukee and wisconsin and some say you should have reached out more and i think that is going to help determine where the dnc goes. but i think they ought to also embrace vice president harris who i have spoken since the race, she needs to embrace her historic place. she is the first woman to be the vice president of the united states. first woman. in the history of this country. first black to be the vice president of the united states. we had a black president, no the a vice president. so she had nothing to be ashamed of even with the race. she's number three in total votes by a presidential candidate in the history of the country. the only one that got more votes than her was joe biden and donald trump. so, she doesn't have anything to prove. now she could help us prove the country could work. because she's made her place in history. >> so let's talk about the dnc. the race to lead the democratic national committee beginning to take shape as two candidates have formally announced their bids.

minnesota democratic farm labor chair and current vice chair of the dnc, ken martin joined the race last week and former commission of the social security administration and former maryland governor martin o'malley also in the running for the committee top spot. and the former governor joins us now. governor o'malley, great to have you with us. so you have thrown your hat into the ring. >> thank you, willie, sure have. >> after kamala harris loss in the race. why do you think that you are the right person for this job and how do you see the party right now in terms of what it needs to change. >> willie, i'm the right person for this job. because what the dnc needs right now is not a caretaker chair, but a change-maker. someone that could pull this party together, who could allow us the space we need to listen not only to one another, but especially to the voters. people who spoke to us from their kitchen tables and said, look, we've lost sight of you guys. are you fighting for us, or are you doing something else. so i'm the only person in this

race with the operational experience to turn things around and i've proven that at every level. i chaired a national committee, the democratic governors for three years in a row where we won back states like minnesota, missouri, kentucky, and finally i've run for office myself. so i know what it means engage in those kitchen table economic issues and persuade people to vote for the choices we make which makes their families stronger. >> as you know, governor, there has been all kinds of debate over the last three weeks about what democrats should have done and who they talked to and who they didn't talk to in terms voters, losing latino and black voters. this is not just about the white working class. this is been discussed in the past with regards to donald trump. this is something else. so what went wrong and how would you change the approach? >> we need to be more engaged, willie. all year round. the truth is a lot of people who voted for joe biden four years

ago didn't even turn out to vote this year. so, a lot of the ads i saw were in this race didn't speak very directly to the concerns that people have. the anxieties and the fears about the future. high cost of living, cost of prescription drugs, whether i'm going to be able to have a secure retirement and social security will be there for me. but in some state where's donald trump won, arizona, michigan, wisconsin, our senate candidates won even though the president carried that state. so we need to learn from not only the place where's we failed to connect, but learn from those candidates who did connect and who did win. the message is -- has to be always tied back to the kitchen table. that is what i learn when i ran for city council and mayor of baltimore and after the recession as governor. it is the high cost of living and the things that matter to

people and that is what we need to talk about. the good news is the change that we need to win is a return to our true self. that party of fdr, party that said we have nothing to fear but fear itself. the other guy's twisted talent is fears. ours is about hope for tomorrow because of the actions we take today to strengthen every families economic well being and the health and well being of their kids. >> governor, let me ask you, i agree that you need to deal with kitchen table issues. and i think to some large degree, the candidate vice president harris did a lot of the message may not have gotten through. but how much do you think misogyny played in this in terms of some people would not vote for a woman which is the same thing that hillary clinton had to deal with? how much do you think race dealt with this? are we overlooking some of the things that america still has to

grapple with and grow into? >> well, i think all of those are factors, as a country, we're not yet the perfect union, are we. there is a lot of -- a lot of scars that come along with our painful 300 year history. and so that is all part of the -- that is all part of the terrain, you know. another part of the terrain is that we have not done as a party the job we need to do to protect voting rights. what does it say that we'll only go into court in swing districts and swing states to defend vote rights. we need to be a much more full throated party and our principles and the belief in the dignity of every person and we make no compromise on those things but we need to walk the walk. we need to defend voting rights and the only way to make america a fair and better place is to look to tomorrow and take action right here and now. and there is no more important

institution in our country right now than the democratic party to articulate that vision forward to eturn to our true selves. >> how is it that they seem to ignore the fact between the national economy, they boast as the strongest in the world, that is true, but failed to outline the problems with the actual lived economy of average americans americans in maryland and everywhere. the cost of gas, filling up a half a instead of full, and buying products and how do they miss the reality of life in addressing voters. >> i'm not sure. i wasn't involved in the campaign. i was turning around social security which is what the president asked me because it was in a customer service crisis. i was talking to people all

across the country and social security offices an the anxiety and the fear of tomorrow is very real. and people won't listen to our candidates unless our candidates acknowledge that, acknowledge the challenges, acknowledge the pain, acknowledge the negative perceptions. at least that is what i learned in running for office. you have to meet people where they're at and some of our candidates did that. hakeem jeffries and his caucus managed to flip six districts from red to blue. those candidates i mentioned in those senate races, so consultants, mike, they have a way of wanting to tell you that the only way to win a race is to go totally negative. they become cynical. they tell candidates don't engage in the economic argument but that is the discussion that the people of the united states want to have. and i think they felt that we were not as connected to their reality. we need to reconnect. we need to rebuild our party and we feed to win elections but we have to change if we're going to win. >> former maryland governor

martin ore mally running for chair of the democratic national committee. thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you all. coming up, our next guest offering advice for world leaders in dealing with donald trump during this upcoming second term. that is next on "morning joe." n"

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merkel and justin trudeau who we know that he came to really loathe them and that had consequences for their countries policies. and look, foreign governments they don't get to vote in american elections. they have no choice, they have to deal with the president of america. so they are all studying and comparing note and looking at what worked and what didn't work last time and the column is trying to tackle the advice that you hear is really simplistic. it is you flatter the guy and you feed him burgers anz ice cream and you give him treats and presents like gold golf clubs and the problem is you're not organizing a toddler's birthday party here, you're trying to run foreign policy with a world superpower so i set out to speak to people who had been in the room between hundreds of hours and seen what worked and what didn't work. >> so, david, i mean, there is a sense that flattery to some extent does work. all of the cabinet picks that he's laying out for example all appear on the fox news flattered

donald trump, support him, i remember back at the beginning of the first trump term when he travelled to saudi arabia and they projected his face on the side of the hotel. president macron has come to understand how to massage donald trump politically as well. so what are the limits, though, to that flattery? you say that is not quite enough to get what you want from him? >> so, literally, ambassadors and diplomats would say flattery is sometimes essential. but that doesn't mean that you're going to change his mind or trick him or distract him into doing something that he doesn't intend to do. it is leek a down payment. i think there is a agreement among people that negotiated with him, that he's a bully. he likes to be the most powerful man in the room and he likes deference. but that flattery is not something that makes him happy, it is like a sort of -- it is like an mam to the farm, you roll over on your back and show that you're the submissive animal, that is the role of the flattery. but a crucial point is that he

will only listen to people flattering him if he respects their strength and the thing that seems to frustrate him the most is the passive aggressive preachy elected whiney leaders and a lot of european leaders fall into that camp. he likes them to deliver on a deal he could cut them in the oval office or when he visited abroad. the flattery is necessary but it is not a silver bullet. >> and we saw different responses from the leaders of mexico and canada as to trump's trade threats. also we're hearing from trump visors who also already want to schedule another meeting with kim jong-un, the leader of north korea, that face-to-face relation could help relations there and the mad man theory, the trump team leaned into the idea that he was so unpredictable, and do you think that could be effective for him going forward. >> it works as long as people don't think you're bluffing and

i think that one of the concerns looking at his first time, sometimes the fire and fury threats to kind of potential start a war with north korea, people came to believe in some pretty rough corners of the world that actually he wasn't really that keen on using military force, that he likes to talk tough. he talks big but it is not real and i could tell you that because until quite recently i was our beijing bureau chief and i spent years talking to chinese officials about how they view donald trump and by the end of the first term, they take him seriously because they're about to hit with huge tariffs, they don't underestimate how dangerous he could be, but he's not as hawkish or tough or as keen on military force as they like to make out and he was a very transactional guy surrounded by genuine china hawks and if they could get to him and cut a deal directly, maybe he doesn't believe in very much, he doesn't dislike

dictators or disapprove of people using iron fist tactics, he said that is clever and smart. so i think the world's dictators are weary of him, that unpredictability gives him an edge but they think maybe he's not as tough and willing to start wars as some of his rhetoric might lead you to think. >> all right. we are about to find out. david rennie with a fascinating piece. thank you so much. we appreciate it. rev, you've dealt with donald trump for a long time. decades and decades. there are some caveats to it but there is the case that he wants to be flattered. >> oh, flattery gets you everywhere. and and i think that now donald trump is at the place where everyone wants to say you made it, you did it. there was a story in "the new york times" how he came back to new york to go to the fight because he wanted new york to love him. he always sought that. and i think that in my experiences with him, i marched

him and picketed him, and action network has fought with him and he'll come to the convention. he came twice because he still wants to -- i'm not really in a bad, right. he has that in him and you can't get that out of him. i think that the fact that he wants to be liked is what many narcissists want and i think the world leaders that could play on that could get some advantage on dealing with him. >> i'm deeply skeptical of this but putting it out there because experience and everything else has taught us otherwise. but is there a world, rev, you know him, why he could say he's a two term american president? he's in that club? a world where he can be -- i'm not saying he's going to be this great bipartisan unifier, because he's not going to be. we know that. but when he nges his approach and tries to reach across and get things done. because that is the promise in 2016.

i'm going to disrupt the way things are done in washington. i'll talk with anybody and work with anybody, that didn't bear out. do you see any world where that changes even marginally this time? >> i think the fact that he by constitution run again, he has opportunity to say i want to go down in history as not the guy that beat my fellow but did something good. he does have that option. and he has certain charisma and gifts. whether he uses them for the good angels or not is a question that many of us doubt. but, i'm a preacher. i'll keep hope alive. >> yes, you will. and you'll be doing good work out in the streets this thanksgiving as always. happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. the world series champion dodger are getting better, wasting no time shoring up their title defense for next season.

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the new book is giving us an inside look at the life of a legendary journalist, called jimmy breslin, about the trail blazing columnist for the new york based newspaper and a huge care aquifer cter and rich espo

joins us now. one of our former colleagues here at nbc. good to see you. >> good morning. >> so we all have a visceral reaction to what he meant to this city and journalist. why did you want to sit down and investigate his life of jimmy breslin. why was he so important. >> that is a time when people got their news from newspapers. they had 3 million readers an the gacy is what we do. and that is why i wanted people to read about him. >> and the big question, the cliff notes sion of who was jimmy breslin. >> he said that he had 67 different personalities that he couldn't figure out so he inhabited his characters but underneath it all there was an

unsecure writer and connected with the working people that read his newspapers. >> mike barnicle, talk about your friend and then take it to rich. >> you know, rich, as you know, 61 years ago, this wereaders in united states, introduced the world to a man named clifton pollard, who was a grave digger at arlington national cemetery making $3 an hour and he dug the grave for president kennedy's casket 61 years ago this week. and it seems to me that the jimmy breslin that you have outlined so well in this biography, he was always a guy who recognized the vulnerable. because he was so vulnerable at a certain level. you could speak to his vulnerabilities based upon what you were just talking about, the way he was raised, how he was raised, kind of a lonely kid

with a determined mind to write. >> you know, mike, that gets to the core of him as your other friend pete hamill said. he acted like a tough guy but inside there was a broken little boy. and that broken little boy really connected to the vulnerable. and was able to tell the stories of people like clifton pollard, who dug the hole that put not just the president, but put americas hope in that hole in the ground and he told the story in a way that you could understand. and that came from deep inside of that little the grave digger, november 26th, 1963, the day after jfk was buried talking about the grave digger at arlington national cemetery, pollard is 42 and he is a slim man with a mustache and whats would born in pittsburgh and served in the private in the 352

in burma in world ii. one the last to serve john fitzgerald kennedy who was a working man who earned $3.01 an hour and it was an honor to dig the grave. he didn't know who the graves were for. he was just digging them and then covering them with boards. they'll be used, we just don't know when. i tried to go over to see the grave, it was so crowded i soldier told my i couldn't get through. i just stayed there and i'll get over this later and look around and see how it is. you know, like i told you, it is an honor. that is jimmy breslin reporting three days after the assassination of kennedy. >> one most famous columns ever written, ever done. ent some time in the new york daily era what wh in the early 2000s, but talk about what america is missing with the decline of local

newspapers. we obviously have some great national papers still. but just that spirit, that carried the day and that is a bad for us all and bad for democracy. >> it could be bad for democracy. we have some good local outlets, in the city, but they don't capture that big audience. 3 million people riding the subways in the morning, now we all ride the subways and we look at our iphone and you're playing wordle and i'm playing the mini crossword because that is all i could do. and then the pages were snapping and people were reading and this was a voice that connected with people and we all had something to talk about that we had in common. in the city we lived in, whether it was in roiko in chicago, herb cane in san francisco, they were there for the people in the town where they wrote. and that is right now missing. and it is something that i think will come back because know it is a different medium. but the need remains.

>> what is different about what jimmy breslin had and how he reported and the trust that the public had in him then it is today where unfortunately the media is held in low regard and it is a moment of lack of trust in media? >> it is really good way to look at him. because, like i was talking to a detective a couple of weeks ago, and he said, you never knew whether he would write something good or bad about you, but you always wanted to read it. so he whats able to go across the divide, the silos that we live in and get people who might not agree with him to read his perspective on what the truth was. and they knew it might not be their perspective. but that is a gift. and that is different from what we have right now. someone who people are willing to read that might completely disagree with. that is a wonderful thing. >> truly a guy who told the story of the 20th century. there at selma and when martin

luther king died and when rfk was shot in california. he was the eyes for the country. >> and he showed up in the park and occupied wall street 50 years later. >> you saw it all. it is a fascinating book. if you don't know jimmy breslin, you'll get to know him and probably love him after reading this book. jimmy breslin, the man who told the truth on sale now. rich, congrats on the book. it is great to see you. >> still ahead, andrea mitchell joins us to discuss the cease-fire between israel and hezbollah and what this means for the middle east. and plus we'll go over donald trump's choices to carry out his economic agenda and how they might carry out his threats of new tariffs. plus the professor trump just selected to lead the national institute of health. "morning joe" is coming right back. ealth. "morning joe" is coming right back celebrate the ones you inherited with ancestrydna. explore the detailed family roots, cultures, and traits that shaped who you are today for only $39. ♪♪

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be honest. is this because of drake? >> late night shows reacting to donald trump's threat of new tariffs. the leads of canada and mexico also responded yesterday taking very different approaches with president-elect trump. we will have their comments straight ahead. meanwhile, trump's incoming border czar was in texas yesterday. we will show you his warning to state and local officials across the country. rudy giuliani is living with the real-life consequences of his lies about two former election workers and we will tell you what he had to say yesterday in and outside of a courtroom. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, november 27th. thanksgiving eve. i'm willie geist and joe and mika have the morning off. with us is jonathan lemire and elise jordan, a former aide to the george w. bush and david

ignatius, a column i didn't ist washington post." a cease-fire between israel and hezbollah has gone into effect. president biden announced the deal after the israel security cabinet approved the green light -- agreement yesterday. they are expected to retreat from the israeli border and israeli ground forces withdraw from lebanese territory. if the cease-fire holds, it will end the fighting. let's bring in nbc news chief "nightly news" correspondent keir simmons live this morning in dubai. we were talking yesterday morning about the potential for this deal. here it is. what more can you tell us about the outlines? >> reporter: yeah. yeah. it's happened. it's a deal between israel and lebanon. it's a cease-fire between israel and hezbollah. it happened at 4:00 a.m. there were gunshots, but

celebratory gunshots and dancing in the streets and lines of vehicles some with mattresses strapped on top heading to the south of lebanon. families getting back to their homes there, despite a warning from the israeli army not to go there yet. those families just too desperate to get back and ignoring that kind of a warning. we now know the details of exactly how this is going to be play out according to the u.s. and israel. it will be 60 days, so two months for the israeli forces to pull out of southern lebanon. the hezbollah will move its heavy weapons back behind the latani river so you'll have kind of a buffer zone and that is what will be policed by coalition, if you like, of u.n. forces of the israeli national

army, france supporting. no boots on the ground, of course, from the u.s. there is no political appetite for that kind of thing but a deal that was put together by the u.s. and president biden, in the rose garden, saying, peace is possible and indicating that he hopes that this could be a start towards some kind of a deal with gaza. then there is the negative. the right wing in the israeli government talking about this being a failure to bring hezbollah to its knees, that this was a wrong time for a cease-fire. ordinarily israelis, tense of thousands, talking about not wanting to go back to their homes there because they don't feel safe with hezbollah. still, able to operate, despite the huge damage that it has taken. in fact, in the early hours of the morning, they targeted a

position inside syria just on the border as benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister, has said that they are determined to continue to prevent hezbollah from rearming. he warned, too, in his televised statement that they reserve the right, if you like, israel, to strike hezbollah at any moment if there is a sign that it is trying trying to rearm or build tunnels and that is an indication how long this cease-fire could hold. there have been thousands of deaths, as i say, tens of thousands have been disrupted. they are moved from their homes in northern israel. many more not able to get to their homes in lebanon and displaced. so i think for both sides, for all sides, frankly, there was a certain level of more exhaustion here, but the question remains how long does that last for? how long does this cease-fire

last for? >> keir, you mentioned hamas. hezbollah joined the fight this time on october 8th after hamas attacks inside of israel saying they were joining with their resistance brothers in the fight against israel. so what brought hezbollah to the point where they were prepared to sit down and discuss a cease-fire in a way that hamas, obviously, has not been so willing to do so? what broke hezbollah in this moment? >> reporter: yeah. well, iran wanted it. i should tell you that iran, this morning, is describing this as a victory for hezbollah, so there was that piece. as you know, hezbollah has affected the proxy of iran. iran wanted it. clearly, hezbollah has taken an absolutely beating, frankly. so, you know, there are those in israeli who say not enough but certainly it's been a lot. and so the opportunity from hezbollah's point of view simply to survive, i think, was something that it will have

wanted. and we know from about these groups, hezbollah, hamas, that they take a long view. so i think they will know just as everyone does that previous versions of a very similar settlement like this, hezbollah was able to fire on israel and the u.n. forces and the israeli and the lebanese army was unable to do anything about that. so for hezbollah, i think, frankly, there was a long arc of history. that is how hezbollah will be viewing it. we should mention, too, of course, prime minister netanyahu saying that this cease-fire enables israel to focus on iran, to focus its attention on confronting iran. >> nbc keir simmons joining us live from dubai. thank you. we appreciate it. david ignatius, you're writing about this cease-fire this morning.

obviously, president biden was enthusiastic about it yesterday in the rose garden when he announced that this is brokered by the united states and other partners. how did we get to this cease-fire? again, as keir says, we will see how long it holds but, for now as you write this morning, diplomacy getting a rare win in the region. >> this was a product of many months of old-fashioned shuttle diplomacy by president biden's -- who traveled between jerusalem and beirut who tried to see what the parameters of a deal to end the fighting might be. i think the truth is that the cease-fire, in many ways, marks a victory for israel. israel, as prime minister netanyahu said yesterday, has broken the back of hezbollah. it's killed by his account thousands of hezbollah fighters in asays nationaling the head of

hezbollah and he said we destroyed the xis. my sources told me yesterday there had been back channel contact between the united states and iran to describe this deal. a senior administration official confirmed that there are regular direct contacts between the u.s. and iran. it may be that iran thinks hezbollah can be rebuilt and come back another day. the essential requirement for this deal to work is that the lebanese armed forces, the l.a.f. as lebanese call them, deploys in the south in the areas that hezbollah has left and stays there as a strong and unified presence. that army has a lot of people in it who had subject to pressure from hezbollah. if it can stay independent and be the symbol of lebanese sovereign city restored after

decades that hezbollah was the state of the state' controlled things and it should be a different lebanon. i should also say, willie, this may mark the beginning of a period of broader peace making and negotiations. the u.s. is redoubling its efforts to get a cease-fire in the gaza war and that would amount to a surrender by hamas but there is new effort on that. and president biden said in his rose garden press session yesterday that he still holds out strong hope for a deal for saudi normalization of relations with israel. that would be a significant breakthrough in the middle east. it's something that i think both crown prince mohammed bin and they deeply want as a security against iran, as a ymbol of

transformed middle east. in the remaining months, there will be an awful lot to the biden team to do. >> prime minister netanyahu yesterday defended this deal to some of the more right wingers in the cabinet saying the losses that hezbollah took which is so extraordinary and u.s. officials i talked to agreed saying they really set hezbollah back here. but let's take a big picture look here about the middle east. you mentioned iran, the regime hanging on for survival right now. the incoming trump's administration sort of looms over not just this deal but any potential deal in gaza. how do you see this moment precarious moment in the middle east? >> so, jonathan, we often think -- thought during this last year of essentially fruitless u.s. diplomacy that our power was receding. yo i found yesterday's events is a reminder as the united states

said the on which indispensable player. truly own the u.s. could broker the cease-fire in lebanon and really own the u.s. that can maintain the momentum toward a truce in gaza. for better or worse, like it or not, our role in the middle east is going to continue. and it's going to be inherited by president trump. interestingly, senior officials who were briefing me and other reporters made clear that they have been in touch with trump's most national security advisers as these negotiations were reaching a climax to tell them what they were doing to make sure that they were supportive. so i think there is more continuity between the biden team and incoming trump team here on than many other issues. >> this is good news mot for th moment. i think who lived in that region are taking a wait and see approach to see whether this actually holds. israel reserving its right to attack inside of lebanon and hezbollah if there is, in fact,

an attack on them, of course. but the question now that david raises is about hamas and about what happens next in gaza. the president spoke in the rose garden about that yesterday saying the people of gaza have suffered enough. the israeli hostages have suffered enough. it's time for that to end. unclear how they find a similar path with hamas that they found with hezbollah. >> well, president biden also said that he still wants to push for the remaining american hostages. they believe that four americans are still alive out of the seven remaining hostages to be released. and, also, president biden struck an optimistic tone about israel saudi normalization which seems a little bit impossible, given the short time line here. but at a bare minimum, i think president biden's administration was able to get this achievement. the incoming president trump's team said, great, go ahead. it seems like they are working

hand in hand for now and that is a good sign. >> it is a good sign for now. "the washington post" david ignatius, we will be reading in "the post" this morning. thank you. leaders of canned and mexico and china responding to president-elect's pledge to impose sweeping tariffs in nirs -- first day in office. we will break that down coming up. "morning joe" is back in 90 seconds. up "morning joe" is back in 90 seconds. about money anymore. i don't have to worry about a mortgage payment every month. it allowed me to live in my home and not have to make payments. if you're 62 or older and own your home, you could access a portion of your equity to improve your lifestyle. a reverse mortgage loan can eliminate your monthly mortgage payments and put tax-free cash in your pocket. it was the best thing i've ever done. really? yes without a doubt. these folks know, finance of america can show you how a reverse mortgage loan

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♪♪ president-elect donald trump's plan for new tariffs on goods from mexico, canada, and china sparking concerning among some u.s. industries. nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson reports on how businesses are bracing for the potential impact. >> reporter: the day after the election, deer stags orrick musket called his shoe factor in china to stockpile whatever they could send before inauguration day and before the trump tariffs kick in. >> we take whatever they can ship us before the chinese new year. >> reporter: that move may be in time with president-elect trump announcing his first day in office not just 10% added tariff on china but anything imported from mexico and canada. america's two biggest trading partners.

online mr. trump suggesting its retall nation for the fentanyl entering the u.s. and those countries deflecting blame and the president-elect referencing migrants coming from mexico and canada. >> i had a good call with donald trump last night again. we talked about some of the challenges that we can work on together. >> reporter: mr. trump's proposal could blow up the trade agreement he, himself, helped negotiate in his first term. >> we got it done. >> reporter: and could be challenged in court. remember, tariffs are a tax on things other countries send here. and those other countries don't pay the tax directly. it gets passed down to companies instead. and, often to you! the u.s. relies on both canada and mexico for cars and car parts, from chevy pickups to minivans and the auto industry is bracing for a blow in michigan which mr. trump won. mexico provides half of the fruits and veggies coming into the u.s. meaning your grocery could rise, too.

inflation could tick up a percent if the tariffs go in effect and could if mr. trump used the threat of tariffs as a negotiating tactic before but if he follows through? >> we are a small business and we can't afford to carry all of those costs. >> reporter: the owners of this washington pet store worry about having to charge their customers more because the shop would pay more for imported harnesses and toys. >> is there a point at which the consumer is going to say this isn't in my family's budget. we can't do this. >> reporter: hallie jackson reporting there. mexico's president slammed trump's tariff threat yesterday suggesting her country could retap yat with its own tariff and claimed migrant caravans are no longer reaching the border with the united states. the comments were medicine from her yesterday. she said, quote.

she blamed the united states for its role in drug trafficking saying, quote, 70% of the illegal weapons seizes from criminals in mexico come from your country. tragically it is in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demands in yours. we mentioned that donald trump threatened 10% uses from china for its role in fentanyl trafficking. yesterday, they called it, quote, an american problem saying china has provided support in dealing with that and that the u.s. should, quote, cherish china's goodwill. joining us now is former treasury official and steve ratner and michael snell. good to see you both. steve, you've been educating us about tariffs for many years now. 25% in mexico. 25% in canada.

our two largest trading partners. would do what, in your eyes to the price of everyday goods here in the united states? >> well, it's going to raise it pretty significantly, willie. as your report from hallie jackson just said, one of the things that i think we all learned during the campaign is that tariffs are a tax. they add to the price of the goods and not paid for by the companies but paid for by the consumers. let me make a point that sometimes doesn't get underlined the way it probably should in this debate. it doesn't just raise the price of the goods imported from that foreign country. some washing machine from china and some car from mexico, whatever, it raises the price of all of those goods. one of the real poise of tariffs, if you raise the price on an imported good competing with a u.s. manufacturer it allows the u.s. manufacturer to raise his prices to that same level also. so if we put a tariff on chinese washing machines, as we did under the first president trump term, it's going to raise the

price of all washing machines in this country. so you heard add 1% to inflation which is a lot that the inflation is not down to the 2% target that the fed has established. >> given the team that donald trump assembled and his proposed cabinet choices and advisers, is it a group of people, some i assume you know and some you don't and that this is rhetoric he is trying to get mexico to crack down on the border and getting china to stop its bad behavior and he is actually going to impose some of these tariffs. do you believe these actually will come in to play on day one? >> i don't necessarily believe they will come play day one. we know trump's negotiating tactic. take the most extreme position possible and work yourself back from that. in his first term he imposed tariffs but not 25% across the board. i think we could take what i'll

call nervous solace. i wouldn't necessarily call them pro trade or antitariff people but they, i think, more measured. it's very notable that robert lighthighser, who is vocal about tariffs, does not have a government position. one of his deputies from the first term is going to be a special trade representative but that is put under howard lutnick now who is a bit more moderate. peter navarro who is the biggest sphering wild-eyed anti-guy in the trump administration does not have a place yet. some there. >> this was an election that was largely fought about the economy

and prices, inflation. polls suggest one of the biggest drivers of voters to republicans. if donald trump goes through this, prices are going to rise again. how does the senate and congress and house with a slim majority, how are these republicans feeling about this? >> it's a bit of a mixed bag, right? we are hearing from a number of hard line conservative republicans who saying this is great. mexico, china, canada, they need to face these tariffs and we are especially hearing from border state republicans who says this needs to be to stop the spread of fentanyl and illegal immigration that trump that tied it to. chuck grassley from iowa is conservative. you can argue he is conservative. he is concerned about the potential effect of these tariffs, about the rising prices. what he came back in the second breath and said is that i see this as a negotiating tactic. i think a lot of republicans are saying this is what trump does.

he makes those lofty threats and use that negotiating tactic to bring folks to the table. i think people are concerned about the rising prices and inflation that could come with this so they are hoping it's a negotiating tactic and the tariffs won't make it come to fruition. >> steve, you certainly have not been exactly optimistic that donald trump's tenure is going to return to the american dream as you recently wrote in "the times." can you talk a little bit about the source of your overall pessimism about the economic environment that donald trump faces and his proposed solutions to it? >> look. if you believe that two of the biggest problems we face in this country are, one, still maintaining inflation at a low level and getting it walt way to its 2%. secondly what i call restoring the american dream. the fact we have had so many workers left behind, the fact that the famous middle working class people out in ohio have seen their wages after inflation go down and huge pressures of people have on their costs. it is very hard to find anything

in the trump 2.0 shall we call it program that would address that. he is talking about tariffs which we just talked about and inflationary. he is talking about massive tax cuts on all kinds of different things from overtime pay to tips and so forth. massively increasing the deficit potentially which upward pressure interest rates and makes it harder for people to buy houses. and also creates more inflation when we spend more money. and so when you go through -- then supporting all of the illegal immigrants. many are engaged productively in the country and who we still need. we still have more jobs than we have people looking for jobs. all of these things are actually negatives for the economy. so it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out but i just don't see how his policies line up with what we need to do to address the problems we are facing. >> part of this, steve, is the tax cut. if the tax cut comes back, which the vast majority of which the

benefits went to rich people and corporations or people making over 75,000 a year, if that comes back, what does that do to the economy? >> yeah. look. that is the thing. it's a 4 trillion dollar bill the next ten years to simply stepped the trump tax credits at a time when we are already running a 2 trillion dollar deficit and not like we are running a deficit. it flies against all sorts of economic wisdom. when the economy is doing reasonably well like it is in terms of growth you don't put more gasoline on the fire. that is not the way to run economic policy. they have talked about the spending cuts but there really isn't enough. it's another discussion for another day. there really isn't enough spending that you actually can cut without getting into social security and medicare and defense and you can't cut interest on the debt and so forfeit. >> trump team struck an agreement with the biden

administration and the funding program and the like. he has filled out his cabinet. still a few key coasts, fbi director among them that haven't been named yet but they are shaping up to be a bit of a fi on the few picks. what is the latest as to what republicans, particularly those in the senate, feel about tulsi gabbard and pete hegseth? >> the three names we keep coming to. we should note those three names since matt gaetz withdrew his name for attorney general who receiving the most excrete knee and oxygen in the room. with him out of the question we are hearing about those three, and the concerns are there. particularly pete hegseth who is the one getting the most scrutiny and most in the spotlight. the details that came out from that police record about that alleged sexual assault in 2017 are raising concerns among senators, right? tulsi gabbard, her past foreign international travel, her past comments about the russian and

ukraine war and saying things on russian state tv causing concerns. and rfk jr. and his vaccine skepticism. we will see how it plays out with their meetings on senator on capitol hill and what the confirmation hearings look like, the information that comes out. the questions that are asked. c, that all important vote that is going to come and likely the first few weeks of the trump administration. right now, what we are hearing from republican senators is that there are some of these concerns but folks are keeping an open mind. they want soy that president-elect trump has the opportunity to fill his cabinet with people who he wants to. they want to give him the benefit of the doubt. but they are going to come armed with their fair share of questions come those confirmation hearings. it's all coming down to a numbers game because it's just simpr majority to confirm these folks. republicans have 53 seats in the senate and, obviously, 50/50 and j.d. vance could come in and break that tie. a good handful of republicans on capitol hill and the senate who are not trump's biggest fans. susan collins, lisa murkowski,

tom tillis, a few of them. depending how they vote will depend on the nominees whether or not they can get in the cabinet and depending on how many they are willing to tank a vote no against. it would be a resounding thing for a republican to vote against a republican president's nominee. it's going to be interesting to see how many they are willing to stick their neck out on and tank when you're dealing with the potential wrath and retribution could come from the president-elect with those cabinet picks. >> a sense from the trump side that, okay, we pulled matt gaetz back. we gave you one. heard you. you don't like him. we told him to step back. don't you dare cross us on these other ones as if he was the sacrificial lamb. when you dig through these stories and pete hegseth and stories of bobby kennedy jr. and tulsi gabbard's definitive for russia and assad and syria and things like that. there are concerns from republicans. do you think one of theirs first acts in this presidency, you say

it only takes full, that enough of them will step out and cross him at least on one or two of them? >> we were talking about this the other day. they didn't have to use too much capital on matt gaetz. the writing was on the wall and clear from the public conversations. matt gaetz had no chance becoming attorney general with that house ethics report hanging over his head. these republicans who are not the biggest fans of trump have that political capital and not fully put it to use. do they want to do this out of the gate? that is the key question here. again, we are talking about folks who don't have a strong afinnive for donald trump. collins and mur kou kowski say didn't vote for them. >> they were able to save their fire because they didn't have to take the vote against gaetz. i'm told that hegseth is probably the most in trouble of these picks and if trump were to

nominate patell he would be in trouble as well which i'm told those in mar-a-lago are leaning to installing him maybe a deputy position he wouldn't have to face that vote. >> people care about intelligence in our country are very concerned about tulsi gabbard as well so we will see. thank you both for joining us. happy thanksgiving to you both. good to see you. >> thanks. coming up, we will have a preview of tomorrow's thanksgiving football! "morning joe" is back in a moment. giving football! "morning joe" is back in a moment

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it's the wizard who should be afraid of me. [ vocalizing ] thanksgiving day games in the nfl start with an nfc north matchup between the first place detroit lions and the chicago bears. then just in time for your afternoon nap, cowboys host the giants in a battle at the bottom of the nfc east. another nfc north playoff contender, the green bay packers, they cap the holiday against the miami dolphins. for the second year in a rorks

the row, the nfl will feature a game on black friday. the kansas city chiefs hosting the raiders. pablo, thank you for joining us. good to see you. >> good to be at the kids' table with you guys. >> right where we belong. >> yeah. >> it used to be that we tolerated the detroit lions on thanksgiving. >> yes. >> just a tradition and maybe you see barry sanders rip off a few runs and that was fun. >> you didn't love it but it's tradition. i guess we are doing the lions again? >> but now they are arguably the best team in the nfl. >> one of the greatest divisions we have ever seen. people who are not familiar with the nfc north is this year, 10-1 lines at the top. second place is 9-2 vikings and 8-3 packers and 4-7 bears. the bears are, you know, the low man on this totem pole but the reality is the last two games, they played nfc north opponents and they have been all nail-biters. heartbreaking losses for the bears. to me the lions, i know they are the in-house pick for those at

home. we picked them as a show. chiefs and lions for the super bowl? this will be really good and really close. these are not the lions of your grandma. not to now slander every relative in your household but this is not them. this is an exciting super charged team. >> they are fun to watch. skip the giants for a second and stay in the nfc north with the packers who, you know, they are only two games behind the lions in the division. really, as you said, vikings look really good this year but the packers are right there, too. >> whatever portrait of dorian gray has, jordan love is thriving. he came in to replace rodgers and like a guy who should have placed him even earlier. it's hard not to focus on quarterbacks when we talk about the big national tv games but there is jordan love on one side and tua tagovailoa on the other side. tua, if you're not familiar with

him, you know? a zillion concussions and he is back and should he be playing? you feel about tua like the nfl. is this okay or safe and what are we doing here? he was amazing last week. >> he didn't play an nfl team because he beat the new england patriots last week. >> your new england patriots. >> the dolphins are playing better of late. kickoff temperature tomorrow night in green bay is expected to be 26 degrees. miami dolphins have lifetime record wins at home 0-187,000! i'm pretty sure -- >> good stat. >> you talk about quarterbacks. talk to us about the two quarterbacks playing in the giants and cowboys game one i hope most america has enough turkey that they can sleep through that game. >> can i look into this camera and make a plea to jerry jones? a time to sign daniel jones. he started at safety in practice and now released for his own request. he is floating around out there.

it's embarrassing. cooper rush for the cowboys and i think tommy devito is hurt so you go to drew lock. if he wants to put real housewives level of soap opera into this for jerry jones, yeah. i think all america wants some excitement in this one. >> you know daniel jones is going to have the saquon story which is leave new york and have a hall of fame career after that. the jets don't play until sunday, speaking of new york quarterbacks. aaron rodgers is addressing rumors that he wants out of new york next season. here is what the four-time mvp said on "the pat mcafee show." as far as my future goes, i haven't told anybody in my life that i want to play in 2025 and not on the jets, that is 100% false. i actually said the opposite,

you know? i said that i'm going to wait and see what happens with -- at the end of the season and if they want me back and what happens with brick and what happens with the offensive staff and, obviously, the gm at the time. and you know, then they just fired joe. there are a lot of things out of my control when it comes to that but i've really enjoyed my time in new york. obviously, we haven't had the success we all wanted to have, but, you know, i've made some great friendships on the team and i've enjoyed living in jersey and enjoyed time in the city and to get to know the fans and i came here to win here. i'm not jumping off ship u.s. like i definitely want to play and not in new york. i don't even know if i want to play yet, but new york would be my first option. >> bath here is the back page o daily news. he has done everything he asked

of the jets he has gotten. he got receivers to come in and got the coach fired but here he is and here are the jets. >> real question -- will the jets want him back? aaron rodgers has been so terrible this year. the jets have been so disappointing. it's not clear to me that they welcome him back with open arms. >> it's quote was i'm not ready to ship off ship yet. cool. i'm glad the iceberg has weighed in with this sea burying vessel. gm, head coach, wide receivers, nobody has more quarterback as a quarterback and employee of a professional sports team arguably than aaron rodgers and nobody has been more depersonalized and passive and aggressive how he talks about that responsibility. it's bizarre. if you watch this tv show long enough, the aaron rodgers show explicitly you know he is shoveling a bunch of bleep. do the jets still want to eat it? we will find out next season. >> he mayo them with his

presence. it's a terrible year for the jets. college football. playoff committee's top four remains the same. rankings came out last night. oregon, ohio state, texas, penn state, the latest rankings entering the final week of the regular season. indiana drops five shots to send after that loss to ohio estate. notre dame places the hoosiers at five and followed by miami, georgia, tennessee, smu. good for them moving up four spots to number nine with alabama and ole miss absent from the top ten. it looks like three losses will not make the cut this year. speaking of alabama. >> yes. upset. >> they played vanderbilt earlier this year. i was there. >> sources close to the situation indicate? >> a bit of an upset. alabama was number one at the time. you dig in in your latest podcast episode. you dig into art of tearing down the goalpost, one of which was tore down.

vanderbilt walked three miles i believe down to lower broadway and thrown into the cumberland river! >> incredible video. this has been the season of goalposts tear down. never seen it like this. vanderbilt not do this because joe not here. let's revel in this. do you have the night vision police helicopter footage? >> amazing. >> this is my favorite part. this is a night vision police helicopter watching the mob of vandy fans do what every fan base does with their goalposts, which is throw them into the body of water nearest to them. it turned into a rod and they search for water. this is what happens. the reality of what this tradition is, it's unique to college football. you never see this in the nfl. this is self-destruction in the most ecstatic revolutionary way. oklahoma, alabama this past weekend, we saw it there. we saw it at asu and byu and

lehigh in lafayette. this is the best here. this is clanking a goalpost off the bridge! this was lehigh, pennsylvania. >> bethlehem. >> they are trying to stop this now. big capital, "they" big goalpost college administrators and night vision police helicopters. there is an invention. can we show the hydraulic goalpost? there it is. those are animated and how to tear this down. more difficult now because these exist. when you watch college football this weekend and the rest of the season, they have a big red button to pup security on top of this thing and protect it. it's incredibly effective and it's avoided tear-downs. on my show we have an illustrated guide not endorsing this but saying if you wanted to do this, because it will never be easier than right now before it officially gets banned.

get a crew, possibly that thing. the gooseneck. you attack the goose neck like a thanksgiving turkey. >> i note when columbia university won its first share of a title this season in 60 years the goalposts at baker field remained upright and not in the hudson river. >> i was worried you were going to say it was like electric shock. that is jents.gentle, that is k >> i learned from sources at vanderbilt how expensive goalposts are. wow! they are really hundreds of thousands of dollars! >> what is funny is now big goalposts has been selling schools like you need a backup just in case! because this happens a lot. >> i feel, pablo, we need a threshold, an agreed-upon threshold when the goalposts come down. no offense -- well if you're vanderbilt and you never beat alabama. alabama is number one and this never happens, that is a nice moment.

if it's like you're oklahoma and you beat alabama, do they need to come down? >> i disagree. i'm a fan in favor of a populace democracy. >> i thought we were avoiding politics this segment? >> pablo, great to see you and happy thanksgiving. >> man of the people. >> the podcast is pablo torre finds out. investor are shaking off tariffs from the president-elect donald trump. lect donald trump i don't have any anxiety about money anymore. i don't have to worry about a mortgage payment every month. it allowed me to live in my home and not have to make payments. if you're 62 or older and own your home, you could access a portion of your equity to improve your lifestyle. a reverse mortgage loan can eliminate your monthly mortgage payments

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time for a look at some of the other stories making headlines. the pentagon is investigate is a series of drone sightings near american military bases in the uk. according to "the wall street journal" the rural air force is

sifting using equipment that can jam unmanned aerial vehicles and officials say it's too early to attribute it to a state actor. a suspect on the fbi's list of most wanted tariffs was captured in the united kingdom. 46-year-old andreas san diego is accused of planting bombs at two california companies in 2003. officials say those corporations were targeted because of their connection to experiments on animals. no one was injure inside the attacks. fbi says it worked with british authorities to arrest the suspect who has been on the run for more than two decades. researchers say they have developed a new a.i. program that can create sounds that have never been heard before. a team at the computer chip company nvidia is behind the idea. the tool allows user is to generate video to change the accent or songs of someone's voice. the company says it holds the

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♪♪ coming up, nbc's andrea mitchell outlines the break through that led to the ceasefire teal between lebanon and hezbollah. that's in the fourth hour of "morning joe." ."

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have to draw the line for the dodgers. you can't have everything. good morning, everybody. we are here on thanksgiving eve. i'm willie geist. joe and mika have the morning off. and we begin with a ceasefire between israel and hezbollah that went into effect early this morning. officials hope to brings an end to the fighting between israel and the iranian backed terrorist group that lasted more than a year. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons has the details. >> reporter: at 4:00 a.m. in lebanon guns were being fired, but this time in celebration. as a ceasefire finally took hold. later, lines of cars stacked with mattresses returned to southern lebanon, families who had fled the violence finally able to go home. >> peace is possible. >> reporter: president biden with welcome news ahead of thanksgiving after thousands displaced on both sides of the border amid the deadliest war in

decades. >> this is designed to be a permanent cessation of hostilities. >> reporter: while overnight an israeli strike in syria underscoring prime minister benjamin netanyahu's vow not to let hezbollah rearm. netanyahu saying last night, if hezbollah violates the agreement and tries to rearm itself, we will attack. but the vote in favor of a ceasefire by the israeli cabinet called a serious mistakes by right-wing members of the government. israel will withdraw from lebanon over 60 days, replaced by u.n. peacekeepers and the latino national army who failed to prevent hezbollah firing rockets in the past while hezbollah would retreat north of the litani river. a coalition of countries will monitor the ceasefire, including france, but no u.s. forces on the ground. it will be a fragile truce:netanyahu warning the

duration of the ceasefire depends what happens in lebanon. an israeli offensive that saw bombs, the assassination of hezbollah's leader hassan nasrallah and thousands dead. israel finding targets on the last day in beirut and in the south with hezbollah firing rockets across the border. and in the south news this morning of fresh strikes in gaza where around 100 hostages, including americans, are still held by hamas. that war is not over. >> keir simmons reporting for us from the region. with us now, nbc news cha chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell and mark, an nbc news security and intelligence analyst. good morning to you both. andrea, we talked to jake sullivan, the national security advisor, he said this was the result of a lot of work that the united states brokered it but there were other partners of course involved there. but also the fact that israel had so degraded hezbollah's capability that it brought the

terrorist group to the table. what more are you hearing? >> well, a couple of things. i agree, you know, entirely with david ignatius that this is a glimmer of hope, as you heard from him earlier in the program. this is a moment to at least celebrate something. it's not what everyone wants. it's certainly not what the hostage families wanted. they wanted a deal for gaza the breakthrough really with hochstein, the emissary from the white house, and a victory for shuttle diplomacy, he planted himself between jewish -- beirut for months and months. the break that was separating the gaza ceasefire deal from lebanon because iran and hezbollah, its proxy, were willing to negotiate, but not all along what they wanted was, you know, an entire deal, wanted gaza first. once they broke off and they had so degraded hezbollah, the killing of nasrallah, and his

deputies, and as the prime minister was boasting, thousands of fighters, and they shattered, you know, in key areas, you know, more than 40% of the structures taken down, satellite photos indicate. so lebanon was at risk of being totally destroyed. it now will to be rebuilt to a great extent, and the u.s. promised to help lead an international group to raise money for that. but really to save lebanon and to stand up the lebanese army. importantly, they said it would be the lebanese army, not emphasizing the u.n. peacekeepers who suffered their own losses and are an an that ma to israel, netanyahu didn't want any part of this deal, so that they had to focus on the fact that it would be lebanon standing up trying to give lebanon its sovereignty back with hezbollah. so permeating the lebanese government in the parliament and

in past destructions of lebanon with israeli occupations in, you know, in the 1982, in 19 -- in 2006. in the past, hezbollah has been helping to rebuild and give people food and help in gaining the support of some of the people. well, now the u.s. is determined they will preempt that by at least leading an international group to try to rebuild and have a lebanese government stand up and, you know, take over. >> mark, the parties though celebrating this deal rightly so, the ceasefire clear-eyed about it, too, that truces are fragile, particularly in this part of the world. israel said we reserve the right if hezbollah attacks inside of israel we have to defend ourselves. we will, of course, return fire. so what is your sense of what this means now at least, obviously, there is the hamas question separately and the gaza question separately. what this means at least in the

north of israel and in lebanon? >> well, first and foremost, israeli -- have been met. we have seen pictures on -- in the media about israeli forces overlooking the litani river. this is the area 20 kilometers north of the israeli border. this is an area which per u.n. resolution hezbollah should not have any man, material, weapons, resources. so on that note that's a positive sign. and you think about hezbollah as this entity that pre-war so many analysts thought could rain thousands of missiles on tel aviv. the israelis shattered the organization. the balance of power in the region has changed. remember, willie, that hezbollah was actually acting as an aircraft carrier for iran in the sense this was the entity that would thwart israel's strike on the iranian nuclear program. that's gone now. israel is in a tremendous shape million militarily in the

region. the question is diplomatically, internationally they are a pariah because of gaza. whether you think it's just or not about the international criminal court for the arrest of netanyahu and former defense minister gallant, that's reality now. so israel has to shift towards gaza and, hopefully, get rid of -- or kind of wind down the war there. that is really going to be a sticking point. the hardest job in the israeli government is in foreign affairs because the world turned against them. that's not a good police if you are pro-israel or america or an israeli whatsoever right now. >> so, andrea, this deal struck just about two months before donald trump and his team take power. give us a sense as to what they are seeing, what their hopes are for the deal and what's the sense in the region, how about the change in washington could impact not just the situation in gaza, but the middle east more broadly. >> well, i think it's really

very interesting that mike walz, the incoming national security advisor, went on social media and took credit for this, for the incoming administration. i thought jake's comment to you earlier was really interesting saying, well, you know, this must be a good deal if everyone wants to take credit for it. i'm paraphrasing. but it is true that hochstein and others were communicating with the incoming team, with walz and others throughout this. and in the last couple of days telling them, you know, this was coming together. and not asking for their permission, but certainly wanting to, you know, work with them even though there was no laid out plan for a transition communication. so they were reaching out. they know the reality. the reality on the ground in terms of who is coming in, so you have got the new ambassador to israel is going to be a

right-wing settler who in previous decades was on both israel and america's terror list for being so radical he was part of kahan's group, american born, rabbi, scholar, very, very conservative. the u.s. ambassador to israel is going to be former government mike huckabee, a christian evangelical who actually has said that there is no such thing as a palestinian, and is in favor of annexing the west bank. you have hard-liners coming in. diplomat, the envoy is not going to be an honest hochstein or antony blinken. it's going to be, you know, president's golf partner and friend and fellow real estate, you know, mogul. someone who doesn't know anything about diplomacy, but apparently they feel this is just a matter of moving land masses around. it's like real estate. and, frankly, also the saudis, the uae, the persian gulf, they

have always been very, you know, favorably disposed to donald trump through jared kushner, in the first term as you know as the white house correspondent went to riyadh first as his first trip, not to canada or mexico as is traditional for american presidents. so they have always felt frankly since president obama didn't enforce the red line against syria and the gassing of their people that the obama/biden team was not as friendly with the arab neighbors. that has been reversed by tony blinken in recent years, but still -- and i still think that the saudi deal that the president spoke of, president biden spoke about, laid out by donald trump in the abraham accords, that could be on the table if -- if netanyahu will yield on a palestinian state or a pathway towards palestinian rights.

>> mark, i wanted to ask you what you foresee when it oms to relations with iran under the trump administration. it's now that israel has decimated hezbollah, that's a good ttheir positioning with iran, but how do you see trump, who was targeted for assassination by the iranians, approaching the complicated issue? >> what a great question because trump first and foremost ran in his campaign on this kind of anti-war sentiment, that we are not going to be entangled in the middle east. there is a notion that perhaps he will be tough on iran. i think that's the case in terms of maximum sanctions campaigns. but had it comes to the key issue, that, you know, that we are going to be talking about in the months and years ahead in terms of the iranian nuclear program, what does the united states do if the israelis believe they should strike the nuclear program? are we going to assist? remember what i said before. hezbollah is no longer this

deterrent to israel. and so i think there is a lot of israeli national security thinkers saying they should take a shot at the iranian nuclear program. trump, even though he will be pursuing this maximum sanctions, had he be willing to assist israel to support israel in the use of force against the iranian nuclear program. i think that's the key issue going forward. >> all right. retired cia officer mark, thank you as always, and andrea mitchell. thank you as well. of course, we will be watching andrea mitchell reports at noon right here on msnbc, and a very happy thanksgiving to both of you. >> happen thanksgiving to you, willie and jonathan. you, elise. >> thank you. donald trump yesterday filled out two key positions to carry out his economic agenda. jameson grier will serve as the united states trade representative making him trump's top trade negotiator. grier is a former air force

attorney who has practiced international trade law. the president-elect also selected kevin hassett to lead the economics team. hassett is a conservative economist who serve in trump's first term. the president-elect made two other notable picks yesterday related to health care. jim o'neil as hhs deputy secretary. o'neill has argued the fda should consider a drug's safety when granting approval and not effectiveness. trump has chosen a man to lead the national institutes of health. a professor at stanford university, he was very critical of covid lockdowns arguing for herd immunity months before vaccines became available. trump's most surprising pick of the tay was john fhelan to be navy secretary. he is a chairman of a private investment firm in florida and has no military experience. joining us kelly o'donnell

covering the transition. good morning. great to see you. so trump's choice for nih raising some questions this morning. very popular pick in many circles, opposition to the lockdowns, saying that the focus should have been on, you know, vulnerable people to covid back in 2020 and not these widespread lockdowns. what more do we know about him? >> reporter: good to be with you. it stirs up a lot of memories of the debate and the experiences of early covid period in 2020 when a figure like him became prominent and was a part of the national debate. the nih is one of the most esteemed medical institutions in the world, and has an enormous budget and deals with all different kinds of disciplines of medical research. and so his leadership here is certainly going to get a lot of scrutiny requiring the senate confirmation, in part he is with stanford, not a practicing physician, and he has very

strong feelings about a whole array of these public health issues. and so there will be scrutiny. and certainly this is in line with the kind of partnership that donald trump has already shown that he wants to have with robert kennedy jr. who is a skeptic on some of these things, says he is not a vaccine skeptic, has lots of questions about the public health space and different ways of approaching this. so there will be criticism, but this is also someone who has engaged in that back and forth. part of the concern at the time was he raised the issue of what we now are -- a familiar term, illness run among the younger and healthier population who are stronger, more able to resist it. those in the medical profession say that not wise because we have seen how with covid more than 1 million americans died, many had underlying health conditions, but not all. so these are picks that reflect the larger themes of what president-elect trump wants to do, and that is to sort of break

the mold in certain places, lift up some of the controversial figures he believes have a voice and have broken through and been part of the coalition that helped to elect him. willie. >> kelly, that are you hearing from the transition team about the hopes for getting some of the more controversial picks through senate confirmation, what are sure to be combative confirmation hearings? i'm talking about pete hegseth at defense, for example, tulsi gabbard at dni, you mentioned bobby kennedy also controversial. those team to be the three after matt gaetz stepped aside that are the focus, not just of democrats, but of many republicans who have serious questions about that. does the trump team, does the transition team, are they confident they will be able to push through and get these republicans to fall in line? >> reporter: well, they are certainly taking the approach of moving forward and relying on important relationships with the majority of senate republicans. and you have discussed this morning how there are those

republicans in the senate who are not as inclined to just give president-elect trump all of his choices. they want that vigorous reinforcement of the back and forth of the committee hearings, of the testimony that is required, of putting these nominees once the president formally nominates them, once he is in office, putting these applicants for critical positions through the paces. that happens in the best of circumstances with non-controversial candidates as well who are tested in the public space and that is part of the senate believes is such an important part of its role to advise and to offer consent to the president-elect about his choices. so, with pete hegseth, the fact that the trump team did not have knowledge of the specifics of the police report involving an allegation of sexual misconduct made against him, that puts them at a disadvantage to have to deal with that question. certainly he is respected for

his role as a veteran, his service to the country, but he has never managed large bureaucracy and certainly the department of defense is an enormous one. it is american tradition to have civilian leadership. so the choice to be the secretary of the navy or the choice to have pete hegseth as someone who could lead these military institutions, that's not entirely in conflict with what we have seen in the past. but in announcing the secretary of the navy pick, president-elect talked about the business of the navy. well, many people view the navy as being an institution with a mission, not a business, at the same time it is an enormous bureaucracy with great expenditures and to have someone who comes from the finance realm come in and look at that in a different way when it comes to contracts and organization is clearly something president-elect trump wants to bring. that kind of a focus of the disruptors, people with business

to look at the long-term government institutions and say they need to be adjusted in some way. some would say shaking them up. we will see how it plays out. the strategy to get confirmations is one that is pressing the republicans in the senate and trying to deal with the questions as they come up. willie. >> as you say, that choice to be secretary of navy, private investment he works in also, a big donor the trump campaign in 2024. nbc's kelly o'donnell in west palm beach, florida, this morning. thank you. a very happy thanksgiving to you as well. president-elect trump's incoming border czar thomas homan visited the southern border with republican governor greg abbott of texas yesterday. they spoke to national guard members and state troopers before serving meals to service members. he issued a warning to governors and mayors who say they plan to resist the incoming administration's plans to deport people here illegally. >> this is a shame we have other governors and other mayors who

are out of the gate saying they are going to push back on president trump, what we are trying to do, especially for interior enforcement. let me be clear. there is going to be a mass deportation because we just finished a mass illegal immigration crisis on the border. anybody can look at nine out of ten people claim asylum at the border will end up with removal. men and women of i.c.e. have a tough job. i am sending a message, people getting in our way, they are going to stop us from doing what we are doing, i said 100 times in the last week, don't cross that line. this is a felony, it's harboring and concealing from immigration authorities. don't test us. the nation wants a safe country. we have had enough crime in the country, illegal alien crime, time to stop it. president trump is committed to it. >> that's thomas homan the border czar. he has a clear mandate from donald trump to remove illegal

people here illegally and he says i he is going after the criminals first. i think most people would agree that's a good idea. the way he is talking about it, saying don't cross us, don't test us, this is happening whether you like it or not. >> a lot of bellicose rhetoric there. and his -- there are two threats that the -- he is saying they will put forth on states and sis that might not cooperate. he said we will withhold federal funding from states and cities that don't go along with the deportation maneuvers, and secondly, some of his trump allies suggested if you are a mayor, say, who resisted, you could be subject to arrest if you don't cooperate. so at least i think this is up to be one of the big public showdowns in the early trump administration and one that the democrats feel like might trigger the protest movement we saw after trump's first term but so far is quiet this time around. >> the protest movement is going to depend on the area. you remember this summer when i did a focus group of african american voters in michigan, and

heard their anger about the way that the local homeless population had been treated and kicked out of shelters to make room for migrants. and there is so much anger all around the country in these different cities that i don't know that protesters are factoring that in because trump, we saw how the election went. this is something that the american public is really concerned about. >> keeping a close eye on this. you heard the promise this from the border czar that they will not tolerate any opposition to this program. coming up, the federal reserve's favorite inflation gauge is due out less than an hour from now. cnbc's dom chu with a preview of the latest economic data. and rudy giuliani was relationship panned yesterday for courtroom outburst as he faces an order requiring him to turn over most of his assets. details on that. a live look at o'hare international airport in chicago. looks pretty calm for the

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judgment against him. giuliani lash out inside the courtroom at the judge overseeing the congressman-elect of his assets. he accused him of failing to comply with court orders to hand over valuables to help pay off his debt. the former trump lawyer and new york city mayor owes nearly $150 million to shaye moss and ruby freeman after a court ruled he defamed them while working to overturn georgia's 2020 election results. had there is a cost to that, it turns out. giuliani insisted in court yesterday he is cooperating with the court's order and handing over assets as he can. his attorney says the former new york city mayor start today turn over a number of items, including his 1980 mercedes-benz that apparently once belonged to lauren bacall. hollywood trivia there. a lawyer for freeman and moss argued giuliani turned over the car but not the title and said there have been similar paperwork issues for giuliani's other assets, including granting

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be lit a week from today, next wednesday night. if you are looking for a way to give back this holiday season on this eve of thanksgiving, our next guest is showcasing deserving nonprofits dedicated to making the world a much better place. it recognizes several honorees again this year in the annual giving campaign. joining us now, "new york times" opinion columnist, nick, your come up has helped to raise the profiles of little known organizations that are making a big impact on the issues you cover. he introduced the prize in 2019 to boost support for those groups. nick, great to see you this morning. we love this moment every year. it's such a great idea that you started a while back. let's remind people exactly how this started for you, this mission, and what exactly you aim to do every year. >> so, good to be with you. we in journalism are good at

highlighting disasters and crises and scandals. what's, obviously, important, but i think audiences are often looking not just to know about everything going wrong, but what they can do to make the world a little bit better and perhaps especially this time of the year. so i started this, recommended this holiday gift guide with the idea that people cannot just give a neck tie or a scarf to family members or friends, but make a donation to a worthy organization in ways that change lives. this year i think i found three particularly amazing organizations. the best, highest return investment in the world today isn't in a hedge fund, some of these incredible nonprofits. so the organizations i have chosen this year, one is called the -- foundation which helps address a childbirth injury

called fistula. most dangerous thing a am woman could do in the world if you get pregnant, if there is no obstetric care, she could be left with internal injuries, fistula, which leaves her incontinent. feels like she is cursed by god, degraded. for $600 that could be repaired and give a woman her life back. i rarely have seen somebody as joyous as one of these women or girls when they had that surgery. and another is called m uso health. we lose far too many children around the world in the first few years of life. this is an organization that started in mali and was amazingly successful using community health workers. in its first stages over seven years reduce odd child mortality by 95%. for $22 a person it can expand coverage and reach another child, another family.

and the last this year is an incredible group called reach out and read, which works in this country, in the u.s., and it addresses the problem that most low-income kids aren't read to by their parents. and it's not that the parents, you know, don't want to help their kids, but there are no children's books at home. they are not in the practice. so reach out and read gives children's books and a well child visit by the pediatrician. the pediatrics encourages them to read. it doubles the kids read to by their parents and makes them better prepared for kindergarten and school and doing better throughout life. >> all very worthy organizations. again, they are fistula, m uso, reach a out and read. they get a $50,000 reward. hopefully, that's the beginning as people are made aware of these organizations that they step up and donate as well.

curious, nick, you cover so many stories, you travel the world. you cover stories that a lot of the media doesn't reach. you bring back those stories. when you sit down i am sure with a very long list of very worthy organizations, how do you get it to these three? >> so, people always come up to me and say i have this amazing organization that i recommend to you, and what i look for is evidence and that can be, you know, look, every self-evaluation in history of the world has found success. what i look for is outside evaluations, outside evidence, independent research that finds real impact. i look for that impact at an inexpensive price so one can make a real difference for the kind of modest gift that people might make at the holidays. so like muso $22 to cover one more child in that health system, $600 to get another woman a fistula surgery, or in

the case of reach out and read, because they are piggybacking on the well child visits by a pediatrician, they don't have to pay for office visits, it's $30 a year to get one more child in the program. i look for impact and impact at a good price. >> well, good on you for all of this. i want to mention, if you are not in a position to donate money, you can volunteer. nick has a recommendation there, called the crisis text line provides free 24/7 high quality text space, mental health support and crisis intervention through trained volunteers and crisis text line has trained and managed 100,000 volunteers over the years and you could be one of them there. if you would like to donate to any of these organization or volunteer, visit kristoffimpact.org. "new york times," rg nicholas kristoff, thank you for your work and bringing this to us this morning. >> great to be with you and

happy thanksgiving. coming up, elphaba from "wicked," maureen from rent, the list goes on. some of the iconic characters tony award-winning actress idina menzel has played, now making her return to broadway in the new musical redwood. we will talk about and more next on "morning joe." on "morning joe.

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broadway, now making her highly anticipated return to the broadway stage, tony award-winning actress idina menzel set to star in the new musical "redwood." she co-created the show, plays a grieving woman who finds unexpected solace far from home in the redwood forests of northern california. she won the tony for playing elphaba in the broadway production of "wicked" which, as you may have heard has been adapted into a film that is in now. we are so lucky to have idina menzel in studio. welcome. >> such an honor to be here. i watch you guys all the time. >> thank you. we have so much to talk to you about. i want to start with coming back to broadway. people are so excited. they call her the queen of broadway. >> she is the queen. >> i turn to that. but tell us about "redwood" the show that you had such a hand in creating, obviously, and so personal to you. >> yes. i co-conceived this show with my

director and writer friend tina landau over a decade ago. i learned of of a woman who lived in a tree, a redwood tree over 730 days in order to protest a logging company. and before i actually fell in love with the redwoods, i will admit that i actually fell in love with the idea of escaping and what it would be like to turn everything off and sort of go into this tranquil, what i thought would be a tranquil place, a sacred place. and then -- and the idea of what i was capable of as a woman, could i do something like that, what would be my advocacy, my passion, my fortitude to be able to endure something like that. then i educated myself and fell in love with these incredible, gentle giants, and learned that they -- the ethos of the redwoods is this incredible sort of metaphor for us as human

beings and how we can be resilient and survive. so the story is really beautiful. it's very special to me. it's completely original. completely original musical. and it's about the power of nature to help us really heal. >> you say you read the story a decade ago. that speaks to what it takes to get something to the stage. >> yes. >> from the birth of an idea. so what is that process like for you, who is not just showing up to perform, but is -- it's your baby, right? >> i will say that i -- my success has come in a lot of original musicals before. so i'm well acquainted with the patience that's needed to do it, and it's something that i love very much. i really feel that there are so many new stories that need to be told. while i love all the musicals out there with the movie titles or brand names, i feel very committed to finding new work and giving other young composers a platform to show their work.

it's just wonderful to create something, to stand at the piano and have a composure write a song for you. you know, it's just a process that i love very much. >> people are very excited. previews, january 24th. then opens on february 13th at the nederlander, didn't you start at the nederlander? >> i did, with rents. full circle. i will take my old dressing room which i used to share and now knock down the one next door to me where my husband was and take it as a suite. >> you earned it. >> that return beyond the dressing room, getting in front of the audience unlike on film, the reaction so immediate and visceral, what will that be like? >> live performance in the theater? it's my happy place. it's everything. it's the reciprocity you have with the audience and yourself and sort of this, the more love

and the more autonomous authent the more you receive and having this communal experience like the redwoods, this community that feed each other and hydrate each other with their enter connective roots. it's a beautiful sort of parallel how we feel as actors in the theater. >> you worked in so many different forms, tv, broadway, television, i think at titles. what is it like to take a production from the stage to film? >> i like to say the biggest thing you have to worry about is singing mouth. so when you are in the theater, you sing in order to hit the notes that we hit, our mouth is open very wide. if you were close up, you might see a cavity or something. when you are on screen, they come here, but you don't want to make that same crazy face because the camera is right here. so sometimes i hate to tell

everybody, but you are faking your singing mouth a little bit because you want to still look attractive in when you are singing. but, yeah, it's about the intimacy with the camera and how subtle and large. most of the time as long as you are really believing in what you are doing, you are in a good place. >> i mentioned you originated the role of elphaba 20 years ago, right? >> up huchlt. >> on broadway. won the tony for that. what is it like for you to see this sort of phenomenon of a movie take off and people like young kids who maybe didn't seen see the broadway show have this new relationship with the thing you started? >> honestly, it's been very profound, moving for myself, and i can speak for my good friend kristin chenoweth as well. we have such a sense of pride about being a part of this, the genesis of the show and its legacy and what it represents

and sort of the sisterhood that comes from it and the permission it gives young people of all genders and in between to feel comfortable being who they are in their most unique selves. >> and cynthia's performance, i interviewed her for the movie, she had such reverence for you, saying, i don't even want to try to do with idina did. i can't be that. what is your take on her performance in the film? >> oh, well, we spoke when she first got the role. everybody always asks me, what advice did you give her? i say, absolutely none. he she is an incredibly talented woman and doesn't need my advice. i told her to enjoy the moment, bus being her elder, i want her to know it's important in these times in our career because things are so fleeting. through to stay in it and appreciate the moment. but he is just exquisite and does bring her own thing to it

while also being extremely respectful and loving to what was established. >> nice to see a new generation carry on the legacy. >> it is. >> of what you started. people are so excited for you coming back to broadway. previews for the broadway musical "redwood" begin january 24th at the nederlander theater and opening night is february 13th. tony-winning actress and co-creator of "redwood," idina menzel. great to see you. >> thank you so much. great to see you. >> happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. that does it for us. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage in just two minutes. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ hi, my name is damian clark. if you have both medicare and medicaid, i have some really encouraging news that you'll definitely want to hear. depending on the plans available in your area, you may be eligible

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