>> greetings from the international space station. our crew up here just wanted to say happy thanksgiving to all of our friends and family who are town on and everyone who is supporting us. >> so much to be thankful for in this season to be reminded of that, to have a holiday that celebrates that, that's something to be thankful for as well. and so from all of us on the international space station, happy thanksgiving! >> and that's the expedition crew the international space station, butch, sunny williams, expected to be in space for eight days but stranded there and now there for five months, hoping to return to earth by february. the crew also shared a look at their thanksgiving meal, which includes smoked turkey and brussels sprouts. and that wraps up this hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart. i want to wish you all a very happy thanksgiving. i find it a privilege to be able to have time with all of you. andrea mitchell picks up with

more news right now. right now on andrea mitchell anderson, the ceasefire deal been israel and hezbollah in lebanon is still holding hours after it went into effect. but a deal between israel and hamas to release the hostages remains elusive. this hour i will speak to the white house emissary whose shuttle diplomacy helped broker that truce as well as the father of a young american killed by hamas. what the american hostage families want now. the trump transition seem is coordinating with the biden administration as political battle lines are being drawn over the mass deportation plan and a tariff plan that could spark a trade war. ♪♪ ♪♪ good day. i'm andrea mitchell. a ceasefire between israel and hezbollah appears to be holding after the deal brokered by the u.s. took effect early this

morning. with the deal some 80,000 israelis who evacuated from the north more than a year ago can go home. more than 1 million lebanese displaced by the israeli strikes are already heading home with their belongings strapped to their cars. but there is still a lot of questions about what happens next. what about gaza? 101 hostages are still being held. >> people of gaza have been through hell. their world is absolutely shattered. far too many civilians in gaza have suffered far too much, and hamas has refused for months and months to negotiate a good-faith ceasefire and a hostage deal. so now hamas has a choice to make. their only way out is to release the hostages, including american citizens. >> nbc chief international correspondent keir simmons has the latest from the region.

>> reporter: at 4:00 a.m. in lebanon, guns were being fired, but this time in celebration. as a ceasefire finally took hold. later, lines of cars stacked with mattresses return to southern lebanon, families who had fled the violence finally able to go home. >> peace is possible. >> reporter: president biden with welcome news ahead of thanksgiving. after thousands displaced on both sides of the border amid the deadliest war in decades. >> this is designed to it be a permanent cessation of hostilities. >> reporter: while overnight an israeli strike in syria near a border crossing with lebanon underscoring prime minister benjamin netanyahu's vow not to let hezbollah rearm. netanyahu saying last night if hezbollah violates the agreement and tries to rearm itself, we will attack. but the vote in favor of a ceasefire by the israeli cabinet called a serious mistake by

right wing members of the government. israel with draw from lebanon over 60 days, replaced by u.n. peacekeepers and the lebanese national army, who failed to prevent hezbollah firing rockets in the past while hezbollah would retreat north of the litani river. a coalition of countries will monitor the ceasefire, including france, but no u.s. forces on the ground. it will be a fragile truce. netanyahu warning, the duration of the ceasefire depends on what happens in lebanon. an israeli offensive that saw bombs, the asass mation of hezbollah's leader hassan nasrallah and thousands dead. israel still finding targets on the last day in beirut and in the south with hezbollah firing rockets across the border. and in south news this morning of fresh strikes in gaza where around 100 hostages, including americans, are still held by hamas. that war is not over.

>> thanks to keir simmons. and joining us now ben rhodes, former deputy national security advisor for the obama administration. ben, what could the ceasefire deal mean for the hostages. there is a theory by some, a hope, this isolates hamas, that hamas is weakened without hezbollah having its back, attack from the north if this were to hold. does it weaken hamas? there is even reporting in israel, which we have not confirmed, that some so-called spokesman for hamas is saying that they are now ready to reach a deal with reach out to turkey and egypt and qatar. >> yeah, i mean, it isolates hamas to the extent that hezbollah had joined the hostilities after october 7th, was firing rockets from lebanon into israel and both hezbollah and iran in some ways have been

knocked back, hezbollah significantly so, with the decapitation of its leadership. the reality is that there is always one figure in gaza that was the fulcrum of this war. with respect to the hostages, i think the challenges are still just as profound come, existential gap between what you hear is the hamas position in the negotiations and the israel position in the negotiations, which is that hamas insists that any ceasefire in gaza be a permanent cessation of hostilities. it essentially the war has to come to an end in gaza to release the hostages. prime minister netanyahu has not wanted to make that step. he wants it a ceasefire that allows for israel perhaps after some duration of time to kind of go back in and continue to wage war against hamas. and attach that is this question of who runs gaza in the aftermath of a war if it comes to an end. israeli position is open ended israel control of the gaza strip, the u.s. position is some

form of arab force, and behind it palestinian leadership other than hamas. this is a hopeful day. but i am not sure it puts us closer to gaza given the differences that remain there. >> and, ben, also congressman mike waltz, the national security advisor coming in, he credited donald trump for the deal, writing on x, everyone is coming to the table because of president trump. here is how jake sullivan, of course the current national security advisor, responded on "morning joe." >> i have kept congressman waltz apprised every step of the way, including yesterday as we were closing this out. glad to see they are welcoming it. it makes me particularly proud to have achieved this because you know you have done a good thing when other people want to take credit for it. >> so what do you think about that? do you think there is something

to the fact that the, you know, netanyahu at least knows that trump team is coming in and feels strengthened by that in terms of having less pressure for palestinian rights, for instance? >> i just don't think so. i am open to the possibility, but the reality is, first of all, they didn't end the war in gaza. the lebanon was in escalation that we saw in the summer and fall. you know, coincident by the way to the precursor to our election was the time of escalation that netanyahu chose. and the reality is that they achieved a lot of objectives, dismantling hezbollah leadership and had to make a choice whether they were going to go into lebanon almost in the same way they did to gaza to completely destroy hezbollah. that was frankly a war they couldn't afford to sfiet. they had been taking losses. netanyahu in his comments yesterday suggested they wanted time to kind of recoup and rearm

and to have less of a strain on the idf. so there were a lot of factors i think that allowed him to say we had the short-term escalation in lebanon. i don't think anybody ever expected this to be, you know, an open ended war in lebanon in the same way we have seen in gaza. now he is not ending this state of conflict in the regional. if he did that, i think that might be an indication of him feeling in a stronger position at home politically with trump coming in, but he is not doing that. he is ending this one theater in lebanon. i attribute that to, frankly, this state of his forces, obviously, the degradation of hezbollah's forces, the achievement of some objectives, a lot of u.s. dealershipsy and a lot of parties in the region, including some israel cares about, the emirates that just want to kind of see this cauldron, you know, on a lower flame here. so i don't think this is a trump factor here.

>> and a lot of this does rest on the ability of the lebanese army to stand up and create that buffer zone, certainly the u.n. people have not been able to do that and are under great suspicion from the israelis anyway, but allowed hezbollah to rearm and build tunnels right under their noses. so will the lebanese army be a precursor of lebanon regaining sovereignty from hezbollah now that hezbollah has been so diminished? >> yeah, there are a bunch of things to watch in terms of lebanese politics and the ceasefire. one is just whether or not the lebanese armed forces can kind of take control of southern lebanon alongside these u.n. forces. the reality is hezbollah is from there, right. so in a lot of these villages, a lot of these population centers in southern lebanon heavier is deeply embedded in the society and the lebanese armed forces is seeing something of a foreign force in some ways. and so we'll see.

but i think what we also have learned the last year, of course, is -- and this is even way back when i was in government, israel has tremendous intelligence. so if they see stuff happening there, see hezbollah rearming, regrouping, re-creating command centers and tunnels, they may take a shot and may be willing, as we learned, to scuttle the ceasefire. the other question that i think a lot of people in the region will be watching is there some kind of civil conflict in lebanon that emerges. hezbollah is weaken. a lot of people in lebanon hate hezbollah. if the lebanese armed forces comes into conflict with hezbollah, what happens? what happens next with lebanon's politics, a complete stalemate for years essentially. so that's a worry, too. so this is definitely progress, but there is still a lot of open questions about the endurance of the ceasefire, future of hezbollah and what ends up happening in wlooebz politics. and all of those things are going to be i think a bumpy road

here in the months to come. >> and netanyahu is also facing a slight rebellion from the right wing coalition, the most far right conservative ministers voting against this, as well as a lot of, you know, pressure to go after iran. he said very explicitly, he is going to focus on iran. do you think that? is a precursor to israel taking military action not just defensively in retaliation, but aggressively against iran? >> this is going to be a big question for the incoming trump administration. if you look at the netanyahu coalition, this ceasefire deal could get through that cabinet vote. netanyahu knows how to count votes in his cabinet. that's the thing he is actually best at in terms of coalition politics. he knew he was going to have critics from the right. he gave a very kind of hawkish speech yesterday i think to mollify public opinion. what he can't get through that cabinet, what he can get through his coalition is the deal in

gaza, is the hostages for a ceasefire, cessation of hostilities in gaza. that's one reason the ba war it in gaza continues. iran is the open question here. they dealt a employee. they destroyed a lot of iran's air defenses, made them much more vulnerable. some people in israel are probably saying trump's coming in never going to look this good in terms of full support in washington. now is the time to finish the job and go after the iranians, go after their nuclear program, perhaps go after kind of the building blocks of the regime, the energy facilities, and perhaps go into the west bank and try to annex territory in the west bank in gaza. these are things that people like ben geoff ear have been saying openly, rebuild settlements in gaza. this is the key question that trump will be confronted. how far to the right does the israeli government go now and feels like it has a supporter in

trump. the counter is international opinion, which outside of the united states is profoundly against israel and against, obviously, what they are doing in gaza and does not want to see the conflict with iran. this is on the plate for donald trump from day one and it's not clear exactly where this is going to go. >> ben rhodes, as always, your insights are invaluable. thank you very much. >> thanks. joining me is ruby, father of itay chen held hostage in gaza. what is your reaction to the ceasefire deal between israel and hezbollah for lebanon? >> thank you, andrea, for having me. 418 days since i last talked to my son. the u.s. family, seven u.s. citizens have been held hostage for such a long time. we welcome the ceasefire agreements in the north, the border of israel, but we also

have a feeling of disappointment. a missed opportunity to connect this agreement with the release of the hostages. why i say a missed opportunity, when you look at the principles of the ceasefire agreement with hezbollah, those are the same principles that -- asking. and we fail to understand why the israeli government does not understand the magnitude and sensitivity of the fact that there are 101 hostages being held in dungeons underneath gaza, and not finding a way to get them out. >> president biden has tweeted today that over the coming days the united states had make another push with turkey, egypt, qatar, israel and others to achieve a ceasefire in gaza with the hostages released and an end

to the war without hamas in power. does that give you hope? >> yes, the u.s. citizens, president biden met in the oval office about two week ago. it was a meeting a few hours before he met president-elect trump. it was important for him to share with us that he suggested to president-elect trump to meet the u.s. families, hostage families, as well as urging the new team to collaborate with the existing team for this topic, withsy a bipartisan topic, in motion today, and not wait until the inauguration of january 20th. the hostages don't have that time to wait. and we also feel that there is a geopolitical ecosystem in the middle east that everyone parishes to appease the incoming

president. as such, there is an opportunity to broker a deal with the existing administration and a new administration together, putting together all the parties to get a deal that will unite not only my family, but 101 other families. and we again on the eve of thanksgiving need to see an empty chair at our dinner table with a missing family member. >> ruby, you know, we have known each other a while now, more than a year, and, you know, you are in our hearts. we all talk about you and your families :but when we think about this, is it possible that the trump people will work together with the biden people? they seem to object supportive of this lebanon deal. they weren't really involved. will it now take active involvement by both sides? to try to make this happen?

>> so, my understanding, mr. jake sullivan had a meeting with mr. mike waltz. i hope a meeting will be scheduled to talk about the topic. we, the u.s. families, as you know, kept this a bipartisan issue over the last year. we have created open channels and good communication channels at meetings with leaders of the republican party in the senate and the house, and we hope that, we believe they also exist in supporting the view that we don't have time. and this is something that can be worked together between the two teams for the benefit of these u.s. citizens that it's been way too long since we have had any good opportunity to get them out. now is a good time. >> indeed. well, let's hope we have more to be thankful for as soon as tomorrow, if not every day. >> yes, we are waiting for that

call to happen that we would all be united and we would be glad to sea that picture of january 20th at the inauguration as we remember the past with president reagan, all the hostages came back. >> i was there. >> we would be able to be with our family members at the inauguration as a family that's whole again and be able to thank both presidents for what they did for us. >> indeed. that was a memorable day for all of us who had been covering the iranian hostages. >> let's see it again. >> that is the prayer. that is the hope. thank you so much. ruby chen, wishing you the very best with you and your wife. >> happy thanksgiving. and in 90 seconds, the latest from mar-a-lago as the transition team ramps up its operation with the biden administration. the first time in the president-elect announces new members of the team.

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beach, "washington post" national editor phil rut kerr and ohio's former republican governor john kasich. kelly, it's limited, this transition mou, memorandum of understanding. they are not going to still permit the fbi background checks. they are not going to use the general services administration offices which would permit a skiff, secure facility. it's a beginning. what do we know about the latest choices by the new administration, kevin hassett to head the national economic council. he is a veteran of the bush administration, a mainstream economist. he is going to have to juggle some tough trade and tariff controversies. also a new very controversial choice tore the nih. >> reporter: are that's true. and certainly with kevin hassett he was in the first trump term. so we had a chance to get to know him when he would to

briefings on economic matters. so certainly he is known to president-elect trump, familiar the environment there, and will be one of the non-controversial choices in the economic piece. that of course is so central to what donald trump wants to do with his second term, to make progress on economic issues that so drove voters animated feelings about the state of the economy, concerns about costs and so forth. while the president-elect talks a lot about tariffs and with that, of course, you would see mike jamieson greer, he would handle a lot of that. nih, one of the largest public health bureaucracies in the country, they do massive work on behalf of the american people with international implications for the development of drugs and testing and processes that make all of us healthier and safer. that is a real change to have

dr. "batman" jay bhattacharya ak to lead the nih. he had views that counter a lot of the common medical thought about things like covid during that period of time when that was so dominant in our daily lives. he was a proponent of herd immunity as opposed to trying to have vaccinated immunity for a broad group of americans so younger healthier people could use natural immunity to fight the virus. he was concerned about mask mandates, so forth. he has a very different approach to the management of public health for what could be a very consequential department within the government given the moment in which donald trump comes back to office. andrea. >> and kelly, the trump team is saying that some of their cabinet choices have been targets of swatting. what do we know about that? >> reporter: so, this is a developing story. i have been talking to sources

along with our colleague tom winter. what we know at this point, there are a number of people associated with the trump transition who have been chosen for positions who have received via email or social media threats of bomb threats and other kinds of threatening messages, and local law enforcement is responding to the homes or places where these officials are located. this does not include the president-elect or the vice president-elect and their families. secret service is not actively involved in this because there are no protectees currently receiving secret service protection thon list. but the fbi and secret service are engaged with local law enforcement, and at this point we are told there are no actual devices. so a bomb threat made in words does not result in a specific device or threat of harm as far as they know now. had in these swatting incidents

where prominent people get those messages, it induces fear and concern and takes the resources of law enforcement to try to track it down to find the perpetrator for whatever appropriate, you know, sort of charges there could be. but it still is fluid and early. it's a developing story. the transition just alerted this in the last hour or so, saying it happened in the last 24 hours to a number of their transition officials. >> and, phil, there are concerns about trump's tariff threats. the u.s., mexico, canada agreement on trade up for review in 2026. it was renegotiated under trump, nafta was renegotiated under president trump, and now he is really offended president sheinbaum, the new president of mexico. he has been showing moderation with some picks. how serious is this regarding the tariffs on mexico and canada in particular? is it a bargaining position, or

is this going to happen day one as he says? >> well, andrea, you know, president-elect trump campaigned on these tariffs and said repeatedly he would do this as soon as he takes office. so of course he is now declared this as his day one priority and plan, and so i think mexico and also canada and china should take this seriously as a plan, a policy proposal that he plans to implement as soon as he is sworn in as president. it's quite complicated. you note the opposition from mexico's leader. clearly, this will impact a great deal of trade. so many products come into the united states from mexico. that will of course affect consumer prices here in the united states, but it's something that over these next several weeks, i think we can expect the trump transition team to be talking about in a little bit more detail and allowing for mexico and other countries to begin to prepare for these measures to take effect to the

degree to which they are able to do any negotiating before the administration is in place, we could see that happen but at the very least i think we will see these policies get, you know, further developed so that as soon as he is sworn in as president he can, you know, begin to implement them. >> and in addition to the tariffs, of course, being such an important part of the campaign, maybe the most important was the border issues. governor -- donald trump's incoming border czar, thomas homan, was in texas yesterday and here is this morning. >> let me be clear. there is going to be a mass deportation because we just finished a mass illegal immigration crisis on the border. i am sending a message for people who say they are getting in our way. don't test us. the nation wants a safe country. >> might point out he had the choice of attire. he is projecting that this? going to be, you know, power military if not military

operation. >> well, andrea, look, i mean, the border was a giant issue. to me there were two zwrient issues. one was the economy and the other was the border. and one of the things that, first of all, this issue of swatting, andrea, this idea that you are going to be announced to a position and people are going to issue bomb threats against you, which of course, i mean, think about that. you know, it affects your family. it affects you. it will reduce the number of people that really want to serve in an administration. we have to find out where it comes from, and we don't know yet. but i think it's something we have to absolutely keep our eye on. in terms of immigration and all these things, you got to remember that when the establishment yells and screams, it makes his people feel good. i mean, they want change. and they want some of these illegals who can be defined as dangerous, when committed crimes, whatever, they are going

to -- i mean, i assume they are going to go get them. in terms of the word mass deportation, we got to wait and see. i have been saying since the election let's wait and see what happens. let's not be hyperventilating and speculating and casting negatives on everything. sometimes people use strong rhetoric and i'm -- i want to see what happens as opposed to, you know, to what's being said now. and there have been some cabinet picks that have been very good. bessent, who is going to be at treasury, i know the guy, i met with him a couple of times, he is a good guy, well respected on wall street, and i'll excited that elon musk is going to take a look at reengineering the government. but they are going to have a tough time here when it comes to the person who would be confirmed at the department of defense. the kennedy nomination will be one of the most interesting and fascinating things. and we've got to see how things develop. i think just trying to poison the water right now is not the right thing to do.

we should watch. we should be vigilant. but just remember, what everybody tends to forget who is concerned about this, trump won. trump won the election. so there is things that he is going to do. secondly, for those who are upset, let's start looking at little inwards in terms of what we can do in our communities to make things better. spend more energy there than speculating about these things that might or might not happen down the road. >> i just want to say, point of confirmation, and i'm with you, trump won and these are the policies and i think that there could be good, healthy questioning and debate. but when it comes to conflicts of interest, i don't think anyone should have a pass. and elon musk and to a lot of people who have billions of dollars and interests in china and elsewhere and are going to be looking into budget issues and proprietary competitive information from colleagues and now we have this reporting about boris epshteyn from "the new york times," you know, asking

for money as a consult tant, there is a lot to be look add the to say nothing of the dei and her background on foreign policy. >> yeah. >> and her being in charge of the presidential daily briefs. i'm just saying it's not all kumbaya. >> no, no, no. >> elections have consequences, but there are limits on ethics and on fbi clearances and things of the like. >> we can have constructive -- andrea, we can have constructive criticism. i just don't -- i understand what the guy said, but some of the hypotheticals stir people up. tomorrow is thanksgiving. what i'm suggesting is there will be an opportunity to praise and an opportunity to seriously question and criticize. and i'll be right there with you, andrea. you can count on that. >> well, just healthy discussion. thank you very much. >> yes. >> appreciate all of you. wishing you a happy thanksgiving. thank you. and next i'll talk to white

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. the ceasefire ends the deadliest war in decades. nearly a year in the making after painstaking negotiations that intensified in just the last two months. joining us now is the lead u.s. negotiator for the deal, u.s. envoy. congratulations for now. fingers crossed. fingers and toes crossed. this is lebanon. this is the middle east. but you have been shuttling back and forth between beirut and jerusalem and other capitals for a long time to make this happen. >> yeah. >> what do you think was the key break through? >> i think it's been a very

difficult year. hezbollah joined in for those who don't remember, hezbollah joint in this conflict within hours of hamas' attack on israel on october 7th. 2, 3:00 a.m. on october 8th they started that front. we have been in a two front war ever since and it's been devastating. the last couple of months we felt that there was enough -- israel degraded hezbollah, achieved a lot on the battlefield against hezbollah, eliminated most of its leaders and taken out a lot of its capabilities, and on the other hand there was a -- you are not going get security in israel or lebanon with only military options. so if you want to get people back to their homes and repair their lives in israel, you have to get to a political deal. so i felt that there was a moment in time that we reached that was the right moment to press hard to get there, and that's where we intensified the negotiations. i would say the last six weeks, a lot of active support from the

president, to be able to get to a decision yesterday. >> was it a hard decision to try -- well, to try to get hezbollah off of demanding a ceasefire, full ceasefire in gaza by their iranian allies proxy, hamas, to get that first, which was proving to be so intractable? >> so, yeah, that was one of the key problems, was hezbollah for nasrallah, the now deceased leader of -- >> assassinated by the israelis in september. >> he was sent saying -- an iranian official said it, too, there will never be a ceasefire in lebanon without a ceasefire in gaza, which meant that -- look, the lebanese people actually never wanted this conflict. they didn't ask for it. hezbollah forced it on them. the majority of lebanese never wanted this war. so tying it to an intractable over conflict didn't make a lot of sense. and breaking the linkage was

critically important. and that paved the way to this deal here. but this is a very complicated deal. people saying it's a 60 day deal. it's a permanent ceasefire with a 60-day deployment plan for the lebanese army to take over its territory and the israelis to depart. >> how challenging is it going to be for the lebanese army to stand up and -- it's really the first step towards lebanon reestablishing sovereignty because hezbollah so permeated lebanon politically, economically and militarily. >> you think about the fact that 1975 we had a civil war in lebanon. we have had israeli invaders, syrian invaders, iranian invaders through hezbollah. the lebanese army has not been in full control of its own territory in tech it aids. this is the moment of opportunity for lebanon to have, the lebanese people to have sovereignty over their country from foreign invaders as well as

internal. and to rebuild their country. but as you just said, the lebanese army is not equipped to go in on day one and to have a massive force that it needs to accomplish -- >> how are they going to get equipped? >> we will support them. we have a 60-day plan for them to be able to deploy. as they deploy, the israelis withdraw. within out first several days the israelis start withdrawing from the areas the lebanese army goes in. and we are going to provide with our international partners support, financial, training, equipment, and particular training for doing this kind of a job. 2006 the war ended and the mediators left. and didn't return from that day on. and so there was zero implementation. we were determined not to make that mistakes again. we will have implementation here. not allow hezbollah or other organizations to reestablish

terrorist infrastructure infrastructure. >> you one of the ways hezbollah won the support of some of the lebanese people is by helping them rebuild after the last israeli occupation and providing food and other services, schools. >> correct. >> how do you prevent that from happening again? >> that's exactly my point. we reached a deal in 2006 to end the war. the mediator just left. they didn't implement an agreement and support those whose homes were deployed, mostly people who didn't participate in the war. we have to support the lebanese army and support the lebanese economy and lebanese people. that's the responsibility of the united states and the international community and if we don't do it we will be back at this conflict in a few years. >> and i was talking to ruby chen, very, you know, strong advocate for the hostage families. they feel abandoned and left behind in this, although congratulating the peace that is going to be brought to lebanon and to the israelis in the north.

what hope is there for gaza? >> i think this lebanon deal is a key moment to change. we're stuck in gaza. and hamas has always believed i have the support of hezbollah and iran supporting me, distracting israel to a two front war. they woke up this morning 4:00 a.m. local time knowing they are alone. i think the president believes, and he said it yesterday, this is the moment that we need to leverage that, to try to put whatever pressure we can to get those hostages -- the president believes he may be in a transition period, but getting the hostages home is something he is going to work on to the last day. >> hamas said they are willing to negotiate now with turkey, qatar, we don't know who that is. there are reports in israel. is there a spokesperson? i mean, israel's killed mohammed deif. >> the president said yesterday quite openly that hamas is not negotiating in good faith in months. if they want to negotiate in

good faith, there is a deal to be made now. the president also said, we are going to use this moment to go talk to turkey, to work with turkey, with qatar, with egypt, with anybody else who can help to get this deal done. i believe it is possible and that this lebanon deal now is the moment that could break the logjam that we were on. >> can the trump people be helpful? >> they weren't involved in this negotiation. after the election we have definitely briefed them. i briefed them on this deal. i thought it was fair if we are going to make commitments on how this ends, they should know about it and support it. they have been supportive, and i think that we are trying to make this as seamless on the national security front at least, it should be a seamless transition. and if they can be helpful, i think that would be advisable. the most important thing is it to get these -- look, these hostages are sitting horrific conditions for over a year. and some of them are americans. we need to bring them home.

and i don't think this should be about who is the president. we should all as americans do whatever we can to to bring them home. the president is committed to bringing not just these hostages, but all americans wrongfully detained around the world home. that includes the americans sitting in gaza. hamas can start by saying i am willing to come to the table and release hostages. >> well, extraordinary work. thanksgiving wishes to you and your family. >> thank you. >> and thanks for doing what you have done, frankly. >> appreciate it, andrea. happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. up next, congressional democrats pushing back against president-elect's new tariff threats, but what leverage do they have? i will speak to congresswoman debbie dingell from michigan next. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. nbc. jerry, you've got to see this. i've seen it. trust me, after 15 walks, it gets a little old. ugh. i really should be retired by now.

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mexico and canada is expected to really disrupt the u.s. auto industry. it release on both countries for vehicle parts and manufacturing. experts say it would raise prices for cars and could lead to lower sales and layoffs it states like michigan, home to the big three automaker, also illinois, indiana. the president-elect just won michigan by only 1.4%. joining me is minnesota democratic congresswoman debbie dingell. happy thanksgiving early to you. thanks very much. let's talk about the effect of the tariffs that might have on the auto industry with all of the cross-border traffic back and forth to producing for cars. what are you expecting? >> i will say to you, i am in between on all of this. i think democrats did a terrible job on trade. i think it's the reason that donald trump got elected.

nafta was one of the worst policies we passed. i worked with him when he became president on nafta to get the u.s. embassy aid and there are still loopholes in the things we have to address. and i will work to address those. i think at the start of, at the immediacy of saying 25% without looking and really understanding what the impact is because i don't think people understand how intertwined the industry is in north america, and quite frankly, i will say our relationship with canada and our relationship with mexico, yet we call this north america trade. the first thing we need to do, there is a loophole that lets china build a plant in mexico and bring those cars, electric vehicles and other vehicles into this country and call them north

america. that's got to stop. i will absolutely support president trump in changing usmca to address that. but i think before we jump, we need to understand what the implications are of what's going to happen, give the industry time to understand it, and what the impact is, and i don't think anybody wants to see the domestic auto industry hurt, have consumers pay increased prices because of it. what we want to do is strengthen our manufacturing, our auto industry in this country for both economic and national security reasons. >> do you think that's possible? he is talking about imposing these tariffs on january 20th. do you think it's an opening bargaining position? >> it's an opening bargaining position. i have not talked to anybody in the administration. i am going to tell you something. i was able to -- i talked to bob

lighthizer in the first trump administration. i don't know who -- i know who he is, but i don't have a relationship with him like i did with bob lighthizer. but bob has -- i'm told they are close and he learned a lot from him. let's see where this goes. i hope that we are able to work together on trade policy and that we don't do anything that's going hurt our economy hurt our consumers, and i do think that there are going to be some people in the administration that are going to, i pray, work hard not to have consumer prices go up or do things that are going to cost us jobs, and i know we need to change the usmca. that's something we have to work on together and improve quick lilt. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you very much. and a happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. happy thanksgiving. and up next, making history. the 100th woman to go into space

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>> oh, it is so, i'm still processing it. i don't think you ever come down from this high. but it's a mixture of excitement and pride and joy and a little bit of fear as well because, of course, you just strapped yourself to a rocket and launched to space. and so when i was up there i was just over come with a sense of awe and i was seeing new things and new colors and new contrasts that i had never seen before. and the blackness of space, it's there this color of black that cannot be replicated in any way, and i think my brain was just overstimulated with so many incredible things all at once. >> and unfortunately you faced some online harassment from men about this trip. how to you navigate that? >> yeah, you know, i think the fact that we have seen the 100th woman in space who has four degrees in science and

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♪♪ ♪♪ good day. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. right now thousands much families are streaming back into southern and eastern lebanon joyous anhopeful that a ceasefire deal between israel and hezbollah will hold. simultaneously defying warnings that it might not. take a look at these pictures. cars stacked with belongings driving in bumper-to-bumper traffic as people begin heading home hours after the deal went that effect earlier today. a deal negotiated between electoral vote and israel involving a ceasefire with hezbollah. but as they return, many are finding entire blocks smashed to

rubble. some still smoldering from the last round of airstrikes against hezbollah. some of the most heavy bombardments in the last 24, 48 hours. now as the country begins with the lebanese prime minister calling a thousand mild road to rebuild, question mains, will it hold. i want to bring in hala gorani. thanks for being with us. you have been through so much the last couple of days with all of this. there is pressure on prime minister netanyahu from his right wing, from ben-gvir, some of the conservative ministers criticizing the deal. he had a hawkish speech to the nation last night announcing it t saying now on to iran, basically. but the real question that a lot of americans want to know about is what are the chances for something happening in gaza? is that even on the horizon? >> reporter: that is a go good

question. there is momentum behind this deal, andrea. the hezbollah/israel ceasefire agreement is a foreign policy victory for president biden b but there are many spoilers potentially along the way. of course, there is an enforcement mechanism on paper, but really in practice, if there is what israel would consider a violation of the agreement, it is not defined. it's in fact very loosely sort of even mentioned by israeli officials like benjamin netanyahu. they say that they reserve the right to retaliate, but not go through mediation or consult with france or the united states, which helped broker the deal, and as you know, and re, a in this part. world, and specifically this conflict between israel and hezbollah ongoing in an active way or in a way that has been kind of unfolding in the background, it is very difficult to predict with any level of certainty that a ceasefire is permanent. that's what president biden is

promising, and it is something that people are warning not to necessarily be extremely enthusiastic for until we have seen it really play out on the ground. as far as gaza, i think what's important, andrea, just listen to what the prime minister of israel has said, which is that he does not believe that this war will be over for his country until hamas is completely defeated in gaza. defeating hamas entirely in gaza has been more than a year, 60% of the structures are either damaged or destroyed, and there will be a presence of militant activity not perhaps in the shape and the form that it took before october 7th, but for many years to come in the form of an insurgency. if israel considers hamas still to be, quote, unquote, a threat to its territory, then a ceasefire might not be on the cards unless president trump when he takes over, the future

president, puts some pressure on benjamin netanyahu because he might not want an active war on his watch. it's all wait and see as it usually is in these cases. but right now the good news is that the israel/hezbollah ceasefire, which took affect 4:00 a.m. local, appears to be holding. >> and earlier today the national security advisor here, jake sullivan, was on "morning joe," asked whether this could pave the way for peace for a teal with hamas. >> prime minister netanyahu agreed with president biden that we should take another run at getting a good deal, a good ceasefire and hostage deal that brings hostages home, including american citizens. we believe that now that we have a ceasefire in lebanon the pressure will only grow on hamas to reach a deal. i can't predict if and when it will happen, but i can tell you that we are going to put every ounce of effort we have in making it happen and getting the

hostages home. >> and there were reports in the times of israel today that hamas was signaling willingness to talk with qatar, with turkey, with egypt. we don't know who is talking for hamas. israel has assassinated sinwar. you know, so many of the other leaders. mohammed deif, the deputy. the american and the israeli hostages though, other nationalities, still being held hostage, hopefully, those are still alive. been there more than a year. >> reporter: yeah. absolutely. that is a question. i mean, as you are saying, andrea, who is speaking for hamas? also, is the israeli prime minister willing really beyond the rhetoric to finalize a ceasefire deal with hamas, get the hostages home, allow for reconstruction to take place in

gaza because in the past, and it's not just palestinians, but israelis themselves, including the families. hostages, who have in many cases blamed him for getting in the way of the hostage deal. so both sides have been blamed rather equally the last year plus in not being able to come to some sort of deal. the last one was a year old, andrea, as you know, in november of last year that allowed for the release of a few dozen hostages. but that's the last time that any agreement between the two sides led to a hostage release, and a temporary truce. so, we are going to have to see if there is a desire to act beyond the rhetoric in this situation, andrea. >> thank you for all of that. we should point out, which you know so well, hala, the former defense minister gallant was fired in part for saying they achieved their goals in gaza and that there is no way to ever

fully eliminate hamas. so the idf and other generals really do want that war to be over as well. thanks very much. and breaking news from the state department. three americans were being wrongfully held in china, one for 12 years and have been released. they are on their way back home. gabe gutierrez joins me from the white house. gabe. >> reporter: hi there. the biden administration is calling this a win for diplomacy. we are learning about this prisoner swap. that's what it amounts to be. we are learning that according to a u.s. government official two men were traded back to china in exchange for the release of those three americans. you are seeing them there on the skreenl. mark swidan, kai li and john leung. swidan from houston. kai li from long island, new york, according to senator chuck schumer. this came together the last couple of months according to

u.s. officials. the white house saying that president biden had brought this up to chinese president xi at the apec summit earlier this month. and again we're told that those three americans have been released according to a senior u.s. official. they are safely in u.s. custody and on planes back here home to the u.s., andrea. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much. and breaking news also. we learned from donald trump's trump transition that cabinet nominees and administration nominees have been targeted, ranging from bomb threats to swatting attacks. one of them involved trump's pick for the u.n. ambassador, elise stefanik, released a statement saying she, her husband and 3-year-old son were driving home to saratoga in new york from washington for thanksgiving when they were informed of a bomb threat to their residence. we should note that three senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news these were not credible

threats. kelly o'donnell is live at trump transition headquarters in west palm beach, florida. kelly, whether they are credible threats or not, according to the fbi and other security officials, it's awful for these nominees to have to put up with this. >> reporter: well, it certainly incites fear and it is stressful and at a minimum that is disruptive to the trump transition and the trump transition team first made us aware of this, and now a few of those who were involved in it have publicly acknowledged that they were recipients of this. so you have congresswoman stefanik, the nominee for the united nations, lee zeldin, who also said he is a candidate for -- he received a threat of this kind, and gaetz, who of course withdraw as the attorney general selection, but also had this kind of an incident.

what we learned from law enforcement is that local law enforcement authorities have been responding to the homes or the relevant locations related to these trump transition officials, and thus far there has been nothing that indicates an actual threat. no devices found. no harm done in a physical sense. but these messages via elon musk email and social media sent the alarming messages to these trump transition members. that's why it's called swatting arcs a way of drawing them out, inciting a sense of fear and concern and raising questions, and it has to then of course trigger a law enforcement response. you have federal law enforcement that is working with local partners to try to deal with this. the trump transition told us a number of these officials are involved, but they are not naming names. they have -- we have seen how specific individuals who wanted to thank law enforcement or acknowledge publicly that they

were targeted in this way have said so publicly. so that's just a few of the names that have come out. it certainly creates a sense of unease and, of course, we know earlier why in the political season the then-former president, now president-elect was the subject of an assassination attempt and then a second incident at his golf course. so these threats carry significant weight in this environment. so it's a great concern to the transition team as well as law enforcement. >> kelly, we got word from the trump team that the president has chosen general keith kellogg to serve as assistant to the president and special envoy for ukraine and russia. that's a new position that we know of. and many of us know, you know general kellogg, he was in the first trump boughs in the national security position. but this certainly indicates that there will be negotiations

ahead as the president campaigned on the -- the president-elect campaigned on, negotiations ahead for ukraine. >> reporter: and certainly keith kellogg was a part of the first administration. he was at first a part of the pence team and then more aligned with donald trump and has remained close to him in the intervening years and has strong views about ukraine and certainly we know that the president-elect wants to see that war resolved quickly, and president zelenskyy of ukraine thinks that 2025 is the year when the war could end. the question will be under what kind of circumstances, because clearly the current united states position is that nothing about ukraine without their direct involvement and wanting to support them, and we have seen president biden allow greater use of weapons by ukraine, and that has played out. so it's setting what will be one of the big foreign policy issues facing the incoming

administration, and now with the selection of keith kellogg to work in this special envoy role, he will certainly be a prominent voice and someone who has had long continuity now with donald trump. andrea. >> thanks so much, kelly o'donnell. and in just 90 seconds, homeward bound. america on the move for thanksgiving and what could be record-breaking travel. the question, will the weather cooperate? we are tracking the forecast. that's next. that's next. ed hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. cool right? look at this craftmanship. i mean they even got my nostrils right. it's just nice to know that years after i'm gone this guy will be standing the test of ti... he's melting! oh jeez... nooo... oh gaa... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

thanksgiving with this afternoon one of the worst times to hit the road or get to an airport. travelers are trying to stay ahead of an arctic outbreak that will bring snow, wind and rain to areas coast to coast tomorrow. at the airports patience, as always, is key. >> the flight was wonderful on alaska airlines. what wasn't wonderful was ending up at the final destination and walking seven miles in order to get to my luggage. >> be patient. be patient. take deep breaths. you know, wear your tennis shoes. >> patience, my friends. nbc's gary is reporting from woodbridge, virginia. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here as well in new york. so, bill, talk to me about the weather. if you could be a little more specific about new england, new mexico, i'm trying to figure out

what to do this afternoon. >> you are not alone. yes, so that be the problem. it's minor right now. we have some issues in colorado, but nothing horrible. denver international is doing well with the light snow. that's ending. rain is breaking out from manhattan, topeka, kansas city, north of st. louis as got light rain. this light rain, maybe minor delays. no big deal. on the east coast tomorrow it gets stronger, has some cold air to work with, and areas from along the pennsylvania new york border through new york state, vermont, new hampshire and maine could see heavy wet snow. right now airport impacts, no problems. that's good. tomorrow's map though. if you are from about mississippi river towards the west coast, perfect. great thanksgiving for your travel. no issues. it will be very cold in the northern plains. that's the only big problem. on the east coast we will see the heaviest rain from new york southwards through philly and d.c. early in the day. then it gets better in the afternoon and by the evening it could be completely done. so keep that in mind for your

travel plans. as far as the snow is going to go, that will be breaking out late tonight into early tomorrow morning. we could see especially at any elevation as much as 6 to 12 inches of snow. this is like the storm last week. heavy, wet snow. so power outages will be possible, especially in areas in new hampshire, southern vermont, isolated into catskills and western portions of maine. in the valley areas, they get wet snow, minor accumulations. they will be fine. anyone traveling at elevations, that's where the issues will be. the parade, by the way, will be raining on and off. it won't be a pouring rain, but steady throughout the day. and unfortunately, you know, it's not going to be ideal, but 40s -- it's been colder, and it's been warmer. anyone getting home after this should be just fine. the forecast looks pretty clear through the weekend for just about everyone. >> well, bill karins, better than i had feared. so thank you very much. and happy thanksgiving. safe travels to you. and gary, aaa is predicting 80

million people are traveling domestically. where are you? where is woodbridge? >> reporter: so, we are in woodbridge, virginia, an hour south of washington, d.c. and the folks we have been talking to off the northbound on 95, very good spirits. that's for several reasons, one, they are one of the 71 million people traveling by car this thanksgiving holiday. and two, because of what bill said. it is pretty good weather out here. clear skies, which is great for today. good news there. also because of gas prices. the folks that are on i-95 right now are spending less for gas today than they have in a very long time. thanksgiving last year gas was about $3.25 a gallon. today it's $3.07 on average. many places we have been talking to folks in north carolina and new jersey and elsewhere, they are seeing gas under $3 a gallon. something we haven't seen in several months. so that's good news there. but it's not all good news here because of what we have been

talking about when it becomes time to travel now. right now about 1:15 p.m. is the worst time to travel on the east coast, and at 1 to 5:00 p.m. locally around the country will be the worse time to travel. so my suggestion, sit for a couple of hours, watch more msnbc and get on the road after 5:00 p.m. if you can swing it. andrea. >> good advice, gary. thank you. happy holidays to you. and rain is threatening a holiday tradition that has been around 100 years, but the famous macy's thanksgiving day parade is pressing on and getting those massive balloons ready to take flight over new york city. one of our favorite days for that reason, the macy's parade, you got to watch it. nbc's erin mclaughlin is live in new york. you have some company, erin? >> reporter: that's right, andrea. this is the inflation celebration. crowds are gathering to watch as the balloons are inflated ahead

of tomorrow's iconic new york city tradition, the macy's thanksgiving day parade. and behind me, as you see, is minnie mouse. she celebrated her 96th birthday this month, and believe it or not, tomorrow will be her parade debut. behind her is stewart the minion from "despicable me." each of these balloons has a team and a team captain. in case of stuart, linda has been doing this, she has been volunteering here for some 12 years. she told me it is the highlight of her year. take a listen. what does this mean to you? >> this is happiness, pure joy for myself, for everybody that watches the parade on tv. everybody that comes along the parade route. rain or shine, snow or wind, we are going to fly. everybody is still going to enjoy it. they can still see it from inside.

look at him. he is so huge. i love him. >> reporter: now, you heard linda there say that there is rain in the forecast for tomorrow. organizers tell me that is not a problem of the parade, as it always does, will go ahead rain or shine. wind would be more of a concern. what the rain does is complicate that process following the parade. everything is going to need to dry out. andrea. >> well, good luck with that, erin. i hope you have fun tomorrow. you have a great assignment today. the weather looks great today. thank you. and still ahead, don't call it a-comeback. new reporting that vice president harris is trying to keep her political options open. what she is telling her advisors. use tide. do i need to pretreat guacamole? not with tide. why do we even buy napkins? thankfully, tide's the answer to almost all of them. —do crabs have eyebrows? —except that one. for all of life's laundry questions... it's got to be tide. it's payback time. all these years, you've worked hard.

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the fight is not yet over. that's the message from vice president kamala harris in her first public remarks since her concession speech. she was on a video call tuesday with grassroots supporter, volunteers and donors encouraging them to stay engaged. >> and i know this is an uncertain time. i'm clear-eyed about that. i know you are clear-eyed about it. and it feels heavy. and i just have to remind you, don't you ever let anybody take your power from you. you have the same power that you did before november 5th. and you have the same purpose

that you did, and you have the same ability to engage and inspire. >> the vice president's remarks came as politico is reporting that harris has been telling advisors and allies privately she is keeping her options open for what is next, including another one for president in 2028 or governor of california in two years. joining us now, the reporter on that story, politico's white house correspondent and an msnbc political contributor eugene daniels. also with us former republican congressman from florida david jolly. welcome both. eugene, tell us what else you can -- what else can you report, i should say, about what the vice president is planning to do as a second act. >> first, she has to decide what to do. we know that over the holidays both thanksgiving, when she was in hawaii, and wherever she

goes, spending time with family for christmas, those are some of the conversations that they are going to have, both with family and senior aides and advisors. the very first step she has to figure out what does it look like to be her while donald trump is president again. remember one of the reasons why she became so popular was because of her interactions on committee, in committee hearing rooms with bill barr or any other nominee from president trump. so is she going to continue out of office being the tip of the spear of the resistance. her speech yesterday to supporters and also her concession speech had the same theme, she is sticking around. that's what she is telling friends and allies, she is calling and thanking them for support over the last few months. so that is step one. then it's decides the next part of her future. is it political? does she run a think tank?

does everything on the table, one thing that everyone is certain of that we talk to is that, one, she is too young to leave political life. they couldn't really figure out what the next step made the most sense. what's interesting is harris is more popular now than she was before she ran for president. that's not something that typically happens, and when you talk to democrats, not many of them are blaming her for the loss, right. they know that it was 107 days and nitpick about the other things, but it wasn't her as a candidate that they weren't impressed by. so when you look at 2028 and the names that are bounced around, she has the biggest name id of any of them for obvious reasons. california governor also on the table. she wanted that job for a long time. it would be the most power she had in elected office. but there is the sense around some of her allies and aides that it might be a step back,

right. her as vice president, almost being president, and going back be governor of a state. that's one of the things they are tussling with right now. >> that is the eighth largest, well, bigger, i guess, than most nations, and it's the largest state. congressman, what do you think? what do you think the vice president should be doing? >> well, i think vice president harris has much acclaim to the future of the democratic party as any other democrat out there today. i also think it's a deeply personal moment for her to decide what she wants to do with the next he can decade of her c. this is is not exclusive. she will not be the only one to be the future of the party. we know that. certainly many of the stars we saw in the last year or two being talked about as perhaps the future. there may be people that aren't being talked about that lead the democratic party forward. for democrats they have plenty of time. you are four years away from a presidential race.

the midterms in two years, don't really require a party figurehead. in fact, it would detract from many of the congressional and senate races in two years. so democrats have plenty of time to work through what their future looks like. i think for vice president harris, this truly, having been a candidate who left office, it's a deeply personal moment to figure out how to create your identity, particularly somebody with a remarkable one leaves the vice presidency. >> and eugene, democratic strategist james carville is getting a lot of attention. he slammed progressives on harris' staff for, i guess, weighing against her not going on joe rogan's podcast, which has a big audience and was apparently impactful for donald trump. what do we know about that? >> that conversation definitely happened, right. they were talking about whether or not it made sense for her to go on joe rogan, and for probably obvious reasons, some of the more progressive members of the staff were concern what

that signaled, said, what that conversation would look like. i think what carvell was pointing out, which a lot of people have, is that they should have been everywhere -- "everything everywhere all at once" like the movie. put her out as much as possible. it's unclear if that would have actually done anything, you know, one of the things that's really interesting about these podcasts is the people that were listening to them were also people seemingly, based on the demographics that we know, were interested in donald trump anyway. would harris being on there talking to him, joe rogan for three hours change their minds? possibly. possibly not. i think the democratic party like the representative is talking about is really figuring out its own identity, and every single decision in these elections are nitpick. it's unclear what would have changed the thinking. but the moderate and progressive fight, the young versus older fight, all of these things will

shake up over the next couple years as the democratic party feels like it needs to get its act back together. >> for all of the reporting, they should not forget that 70% of americans were trailing pollsters? the nbc poll that the country was heading in the wrong direction. those are headwinds that are almost impossible to overcome no matter who the candidate is. eugene daniels, david jolly, thanks to both of you. wishing you a very happy holiday. coming up, how donald trump's budding political bromance with elon musk is raising conflict of interest concerns. david farn all that is joining us with his reporting coming up next. ll that is joining us with his reporting coming up next this black friday, get iphone 16 pro, on us. and ipad and apple watch series 10. all three on us. only on verizon. have you compared your medicare plan recently? with ehealth,

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elon musk's role in donald trump's next term is raising serious questions about conflicts of interest. musk, who is set to lead the department of government efficiency, which is a new agency not yet created by congress, tasked with cutting down the federal budget already has an enormous influence of the "new york times" finding that, quote, his companies were promised $3 billion across nearly 100 different contracts last year among 17 federal agencies. spacex and tesla account for at least $15.4 billion in government contracts over the last decade. david david is behind a lot of

that reporting. his piece in "the new york times," he joins us now. great to see you. you write that elon musk's influence is extraordinary over the transition we see some of his people being put in place. extraordinarily lucrative also. so this new role embolden him, and where do you see inherit conflicts? >> well, there is a huge room for conflicts. as he sees it, this role as the head of the department of government efficiency is to basically try to reimagine the whole government, look for regulations across government, people across government that should be cut. how is that a conflict? he does business with a huge amount of the government. he might try to safeguard those parts and he fights with huge amounts of the government that regulate his space launches, self-driving cars and other aspects. he seize burdens as regulations and rules and enforcement slowing him down. he could use the power to sweep regulations away and give himself a freer hand.

>> where are the biggest concerns? do you see specific business interests that you see, potential already a real problem? >> i would focus on two areas. both where the relationship as a regulator, musk has been regulated. one is spacex. he has a huge rocket launch complex by brownsville, texas, where there are regulations about flames, the noise, the vibrations that he can send out into the surrounding area because it's surrounded by salt flats, lots of birds and wildlife. he has been fighting regulations to have more eedom there. the other is human life. talking about tesla. tesla has this self-driving technology that the government is investigating whether to works properly, leads to unsafe situations could lead to people being part. that if that enforcement goes away, we lose somebody looking out for the public watching over

what musk wants to do. >> and donald trump has tapped brendan carr to lead the federal communications kmags. as i understand, musk is the only satellite operation that needs fcc approval because of the technology. he will be regulated by an outspoken forrer and friend. >> right. he has been a commissioner before, never the head of it, advocate of musk's starlink technology, basically technology made by spacex that allows for satellite communications, using satellites in lieu of cellphone towers. that's a great technology. what carr says is the government hasn't been doing enough to give subsidies to help that business thrive. now musk has an advocate, even if he didn't have his own government position, somebody in government who will be giving haima lot of what he wants. >> and finally, in fact that they have now in the transition signed this memorandum of agreement, but there are real

restrictions on it, and they haven't agreed to some of the ethics rules or to fbi clearances, and there are business conflicts of interest that in fact held up the highest security clearances for jared kushner last time around, for all four years, because the cia would not clear him. so even though he had a lower level security clearance in the white house. so without getting the fbi in and doing those kinds of background checks, how do we know -- how do they do security clearances? >> well, they say they are using private vetting firms which there is an inherent conflict. the vetting firms, the customer is trump. so they are more likely to give him the answer he wants. perhaps. versus the fbi, where the client is the people. i do think that eventually there will be fbi background checks and i have say we don't know of any specific thing right now

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right now food banks across the country are seeing huge demand. millions of americans struggling to feed their families for thanksgiving. here in washington the capitol area food bank found across every category from geography to income to race, food insecurity is on the rise impacting nearly 1.5 million people last year. now they are looking to help families across the d.c. metro area get everything that they need to celebrate thanksgiving with their loved ones. and from the turkey right down to the cranberry sauce, it's all part of the meal giving -- joining us now is the ceo of the capital area food bank. thank you very much for being with us. talk to me about what the need is. are you getting enough couldn't becauses? money and food, canned goods, whatever it is in

non-perishables? >> thank you, andrea. as a mentioned, there are 37% of the region's population is food insecure. about 1.5 million people. hunger is with them throughout the course of the year, it's particularly acute during this time of the holidays when so many of our celebrations center around food. in fact, i was at a food distribution and there were 400 families that were there to get their allocation of turkey, stuffing, cranberries, cabbage, sweet potatoes, et cetera, and some stood in line as early as 5:00 a.m. to ensure they would get their food for the thanksgiving holiday. so we're seeing tremendous elevated levels of need across the region, and we can only provide this food with the support of our generous community. so we're extremely grateful to those who help us, whether they are individuals, they are governments at the state and local level who give us the support to be able to ensure

that we get good nutritious foods to those who need it during the holidays and throughout the entire year. >> and you need volunteers also to it help with distribution? >> we to. as a food bank, we have staff that help us throughout the year. we have 700 sites which we distribute food, and volunteers really do help extend our reach into the community. we are so grateful to have about 15,000 volunteers a year. they help us in the warehouse to sort fruits and vegetables and chef items and pack boxes that are distributed in community markets as well as who are mobility constrained to their doorsteps. we are very thankful for our volunteers and those who provide financial resources that enable us to guy good, nutritious food. we are very focused ensuring 40% of everything that wetist beaut is fresh produce, 10% protein

and the remained shelf stable items. we know that good nutritious food is important to address hunger today, but also to contribute towards really positive health outcomes for our neighbors that need. >> how people who are watching help? >> well, people can help by certainly coming to support us. you mentioned volunteering. that is so critical. helping us buy the food that we need to be able to distribute to those, financial resources are always welcome. our website capital area food bank to engage in any way that is meaningful to them. >> we will put that up as well, on social media. thank you very much. >> happy thanksgiving. >> you, too. and still' ahead, planes, trains and automobiles as millions battle bad weather to make it home for the holidays. how much the epic the turkey journey in the 1980s can cost.

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as millions of us are rushing home for thanksgiving, here is hoping your journey is anything but the three-day odyssey that steve martin and john candy had in the 1987 classic planes, trains and automobiles. when the two unlikely companions are forced together after a series of travel, shall we say, mishaps? >> oh!

oh, that feels good. oh, i'm telling you, my dogs are barking today. . oh! that feels better. >> john candy is cracking me up. what exactly would their journey cost in today's prices is? you have been crunching the numbers. >> this is so much fun. >> really is. >> seeing that clip and watching steve martin's face. >> here is fingers crossed that everyone gets home safe for the holiday weekend. it's really interesting when we look at these numbers. first, if you are embarking on your trip home again, we are wish you you safe travels, welk adjusting the numbers for inflation.

so $1 in 1987 is equal to $2.74 today. consumer prices risen 174% all together. that's not the full story because wages have also increased with inflation. that median household income in '87 was $26060 a year birk 2023 tripled to $80,610. so from laguardia airport to chicago, today that goes for about 745 bucks, or about $272 in $1,987. that wichita motel, back then cost the pair 150 bucks, equivalent to $410 today. if you remember the plot, they catch a freezing cold ride in the back of of a pickup truck and head to the train station. today two amtrak tickets from kansas city to chicago $242. one rental car would have cost

about $65 and add on another hotel stay in bloomington illinois, 100 bucks in 1987 and another $586 would be added to the tab today but $214 back in the late '80s. that prescription a grand total to $1983 in current cash compared to $724 in 1987. believe it or not, this trip would be slightly more affordable today when considering the change in income in 1987. someone spending $724 with a salary of $26,000 would be using 0.28% of their income today. and someone spending $1,900 on a trip with an income of over $80,000 would be about 0.024% of someone's earnings. a bit of sticker shock there with the 2024 numbers, but super important to note that wages have increased since the late '80s.

>> you had me at the plane ride. >> i know. quite a difference. >> what a movie. i think that's exactly what we should be doing tonight. thank you. glad to know that you have a short commute home. >> best of luck to you. >> thank you. that does it for us this hour. and remember follow us on social media. you can erewatch the best parts of our show on youtube msnbc.com/andrea. thank you all for joining us. everyone have a happy thanksgiving. my friend katy tur picks up our coverage right now. my friend ka coverage right now good to be with you. donald trump said on the campaign trail he wanted the war in ukraine to end and he named the person who will be in charge trying to bring it to that end. lieutenant general keith kellogg as assistant to the president and the special envoy for russia and ukraine. in a truth soci