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i would like to wish all of you a happy thanksgiving. i'll see you this weekend on the saturday show. i'll be speaking to the governor of hawaii, dr. josh green, and some of the other trump picks and their potential impacts on health care policy and public health at large. i hope you'll join us. the reality is, i have no
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cash. it's all tied up. so right now, if i wanted to call a taxicab, i can't do it. i don't have a credit card. i don't have a checking account. >> add to that, he has no dignity and he apparently has nothing from donald trump. the man he sold his soul for. thing are not going well for rudy giuliani and it all came to a head in a new york city courtroom. also, trump and company are threatening democratic mayors with arrests, and the withholding of federal funds. so how can cities fight back? one of the newest candidates for mayor of new york city joins me tonight. plus, family foods-giving eve. before we pass the plates, i have a very special thanksgiving message for all the maga trolls and their apologists.
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we begin tonight with consequences because elections are about more than just who you pick to be president. it's also about who that president chooses to have around them. the people who will have access to some of the nation's most classified secrets, who will oversee millions of workers and multi-billion dollar budgets, making life or death decisions for american citizens day in and day out. and if you thought that donald trump, who along with his maga cronies railed about dei hires being so unqualified in the biden era because they're not white guys. if you thought he would pick only the most competent and qualified people for these positions, well, just take a look at his incoming national security team. it includes john phalon. an investor with no military experience whatsoever. if confirmed, he would be the first person in 15 years to lead the navy without ever having served in any branch of the
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armed forces. so why would trump pick him, you ask? well, according to politico, he was a major donor to the trump campaign. and reportedly hosted the president-elect his aspen, colorado home this summer where trump went on a profanity-laced tirade and warned the election could be the last the united states ever had if kamala harris had won. apparently, that's all it takes. there's also tulsi gabbard, trump's pick for national intelligence who is has never worked in the intelligence field or ever served on an intelligence committee. in 2017 she met with syrian president bashir al assad. she would every enjoy see all of the intelligence agencies. the list goes on. trump's pick for secretary of defense pete hegseth has no senior military or national security intelligence. instead, he's known for hosting
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fox's morning show. and he was known for saufting a woman in 20 scene. he paid out a settlement to his accuser, making her sign an nda. don't even get me started on sebastian gorka. you may remember him from trump's first administration when he attended the inaugural ball wearing a medal associated with a hungarian national group linked to nazi germany. these are just some of the very fine people donald trump wants to put in charge of our national security. because when it comes to a job in the second trump administration, forget expertise. apparently, all you need is a lot of cash and/or loyalty to trump. throw in some favorable appearances on fox and bam, you're hired. joining me now, the dean of columbia's school of journalism and staff writer for "the new yorker." and the staff writer for ""the atlantic."" i want to come to you first.
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a professional operation, that and the kind of military leadership. what donald trump seems to be doing is picking people who have the right ideological make-up, who believe what he wants, or who have the right troll make-up to be willing to troll the agencies they're supposed to lead. or maybe to deconstruct them. how do you read these picks? >> it's a combination of all of those. you can never underestimate the kind of trolling nature of all of this activity that both infuriates trump's opponents and is really gratifying to the maga faithful, the maga base, who think the intelligence community is this y kabal. these are professional fields normally staffed by experts. the problem for a would-be
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authoritarian leader is that experts are the people who tell you what you can and can't really do. they give you the bad news and say that won't work. that will be a problem. here are the things you should think about. he doesn't want anyone doing that. he wants people to say fabulous idea, mr. president. we'll get right on that. and so the way you get around that is that you put somebody on top of all these professionals who are still required to run the day-to-day operations that keep the united states operations safe. put somebody on top that makes them afraid to come forward and say this is what you need to tell the president. so all of that expert opinion at that level. >> and i think part of this is there is a broader depth of expertise that people in the sort of base of the country, a lot of people, just don't trust experts anymore. they think somebody with a ph.d.. they're suspicious automatically. if they're on tv, they trust
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overhaul the military. it's frankly an insult and really troubling that mr. trump would nominate someone who has admitted that he's paid off a victim who has claimed rape allegations against him. this is not the kind of person you want to lead the department of defense. >> if you're a woman in the military, this becomes an existential almost crisis for you on top of the allegations against donald trump, the commander in chief himself. >> so there are a few things here. one of which is that the military has been devastated. this is a 20-year battle that we're talking about to really bring to the foreground the prevalence of sexual assault
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within the military. so she would know better than anyone else would, the issues women have dealt with in the military. so symbolically, irrespective of where this case is and the communication, it sends a message that this is maybe not an offense. maybe not something that is career-ending or being taken very seriously. one other point, you know, regarding the intelligence community. there's a long history. we have to redo well to reflect upon what happened during that first trump term about his fraught relationship with his very own intelligence officers. if you recall that incredible situation in helsinki in 2018 where u.s. intelligence gave donald trump information and said that russia had attempted to interfere in the 2016
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election and standing directly next to vladimir putin, he valued putin's denial over the intelligence of his very own community gave. he said, quote, i don't see why it would be vladimir putin responsible for this interference. so this is not a new issue that we're dealing with. >> and this brings me right to, and is a perfect place to bring it back to. this is where the red pilling of donald trump becomes policy. donald trump doesn't trust the intelligence services because they busted vladimir putin trying to help him get elected. he still wants to litigate that. he doesn't trust the fbi. his home was raided because he stole classified documents. he doesn't want them to even vet these people. he wants them to come in unvetted. when it comes to mr. hegseth, he was, people have similar tats
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including one called day of vote that white supremacistists have tended to use. it is attin for god wills it. he called himself being flagged as someone who should not be able to work on president biden's detail. he called that anti-christian bigotry. he said that ends the day he comes into the department of defense. that could mean theoretically that we are now letting in people who have all kinds of tats. we don't know what kinds. and what they signify. they don't like this feminization of the military. they're letting more trans people in. they're letting more women in. he wants the macho old military that he thinks it should be. and it could mean letting in extremists. >> part of where we'll end up is opening those doors wider for people who might have been disqualified for military service simply because pete
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hegseth is mad. because he feels that he was poorly treated. this is, this constant stream of grievance that runs through all of these people that surround trump. if you look at all of them closely, you'll always find there is someplace, their origin story about where they felt they were denied something that they felt they were entitled to. they felt they were judged unfairly. this come back to your point about the red pilling of trump. he's always been this way. there's no pill involved. trump has bristled at anyone who he thinks disagrees with him. at any point in his life. you can see it. we're aware of donald trump before he ran for president in the '80s and '90s. this is just who he is and who they are. that accountability is for other people. consequences are for suckers. that they just have this kind of
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constant sense that any professional who puts the national interest above their own personal interest is obviously an idiot and therefore not to be trusted. >> right. and tulsi gabbard fits into that same mold. she kind of speaks to the conspiracy theiries online. they say, we think there is some sort of dark conspiracy behind ukraine. it's not just military to military support. she gets to go in there and oversee all the intelligence and find the secret ufo's. it's like they're all just going to be able to work out the grievances of their fans and donald trump rather than secure the national interests. i want to come back to another thing we see. this is all happening at a time when neo-nazis are literally marching in the streets. and there has been an uptick in their presence in communities. the ku klux klan flyers in
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indiana. protesters leaving nazi flags at a diary of ann frank production in michigan. swastikas, slurs. this is what one wrote to talk going this phenomenon. they don't necessarily view donald trump as a part of them. but what they feel is that when he says thing like immigrants poison the blood of the country and he wants to mass deport them. that fits in their ideology. the end game is he fails to deport 16 million people and then white americans look to them and say we need to do it your way. so another set of grievances that this far, far right is turning to trump to solve. >> this has been kind of stated from the outset. the rise of the trump movement. even early in the presidency when we saw charlottesville. and irrespective of people on the right have disputed the meaning of trump saying there are very fine people on both sides. irrespective of that.
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the mere fact that that crowd took inspiration from him. they found him to be heroic. someone who represents the interests and saw the world in ways in which they did is in itself damning. so this is a kind of ongoing dynamic that we've seen trump really be very much the kind of orchestra conductor for. >> and tom, we've had this challenge of keeping this sort of vibe and brand out of our military going all the way back to waco. all the way back to what happens during the 1990s. we're now, we had it january 6th. military people crashing through our capitol. people who served in the military. people who were police officers. the professionals sometimes, even their ranks are filled with people who are not necessarily looking at the national interests. donald trump is saying those types of people are welcome because he thinks they'll serve him. >> i have to put in a word and say that i taught military officers for more than 25 years.
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hundreds and hundreds of them. and you know, i think people should understand that our, the u.s. military is full of loyal, honorable people who understand their duty, their constitution. trump is trying to speak to again this very narrow, kind of disaffected group of people who have these heroic fantasies about how they're going to be the saviors of the constitution. they're not there to serve the country. to be part of their team. to be part of their unit. they're there because they think they're part of some big scheme in which they're the main character. and they're going to save america from all these nefarious forces. that's what binds a lot of these extreme. is together. this kind of marriage of insecurity and adolescence to this immense grand i don't iosi. he plays to that. you're my people. >> very quickly.
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>> it's a messianic kind of fervor. they call them duty fantasies on how you protect democracy. the people who protect democracy are the humble volunteers who show up to the polling place to work the polls on election day. those are the people saving democracy. >> absolutely. there's going to be quite attention on that in our military and national security apparatus. buckle your seatbelts, everyone. coming up, rudy giuliani had a no-good, very horrible day yesterday in court. this is what the trump loyalty gets you. all the way to rock bottom. stay with us. h us with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. cool right? look at this craftmanship. i mean they even got my nostrils right. it's just nice to know that years after i'm gone this guy will be standing the test of ti...
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the reality is, i have no cash. it's all tied up. so right now if i wanted to call a taxicab, i can't do it. i don't have a credit card. i don't have a checking account. i have no place i can go take cash out except the little bit that i saved and it's getting down to almost nothing. i do not regret it for a minute. i regret the persecution that i've been put through. >> there you have it, the man once dubbed america's mayor, who led new york city in the aftermath of one of the worst terror attacks our country has ever seen. who became donald trump's personal lawyer after selling access to his 9/11 celebrity status has now, according to him, been left impoverished. it is a clear case for all those maga sycophants out there, this is what blind loyalty to trump will get you.
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in the eternal words of wilson, everything trump touches dies, including careers. giuliani was ordered to pay nearly $150,000 -- $150 million to two georgia election workers. ruby freeman and shea moss whom he defamed. yesterday's court hearing was held because they claim he has failed to turn over his assets as required by the courts. it was not a good day for rudy who lashed out at the judge in court, something he should know better to do. he had a difference of opinion with giuliani. nowhere to be seen was donald trump who has barely lifted a finger to help guy he called a great guy and a wonderful lawyer. in fact, giuliani still claims that trump and the rnc owe him $2 million. which he could really use right now.
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but giuliani has been left with being disbarred in both washington, d.c. and new york as a result of his efforts to push trump's big lie. and he is expected back in court in both places in d.c. next month. he could be found in contempt of court for continuing to falsely accuse the two poll workers of having committed election fraud. in january, he'll face a trial in new york city over whether he will have to turn over other assets. his florida home and his collection of four world series rings to miss freeman and miss moss. yet rudy says he does not regret a thing. not even for a minute. joining me now, former manhattan district attorney and msnbc legal analyst, the reverend al sharpton, president of the action network, and a long-time adversarial relationship with rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani seems to have been brought low. yet he has asked the court to
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push his trial back in january so he could attend donald trump's inauguration. the judge said no. his social calendar has nothing to do with his court cases. but that's how pathetic it is. donald trump owes him money, hasn't paid him. he's been destroyed for his support for donald trump's big lie. stripped of his mansion, stripped of his ring collection, yet he's still a sycophant to donald trump. please explain what is going on with this rather pathetic man. >> he is rather pathetic to see the situation. when you look at it in the broader context, rudy giuliani, who had a hostile relationship with the black community when he was mayor, police killings would happen. he would show no empathy. no balance at all in what was being appealed to by the black community, and then you satisfy him now with two black women,
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they have brought him to accountability. the real underlying story is that donald trump who he was loyal to has shown no loyalty to him. no statements. no tweets. nothing saying anything that he would back him up. which means all the people in washington now doing dances, trying to get the anointing and blessings of donald trump should look at rudy giuliani and know that you can end up just as abandoned as rudy giuliani. if he would do this to giuliani, what would he do to all of those that went around this country selling a bill of goods that he will not deliver on, in matter who they are. he is one and only knows one thing. what is beneficial for rudy
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giuliani. i mean for donald trump. rudy giuliani is the case example of the loyalty of donald trump is not reciprocal. >> right. and it really goes across the board. jack smith -- everyone else involved in those cases is being charged. he could wipe away the gentlemen's charge in miami for helping him steal those documents. but let's just go to the co-defendants in georgia. donald trump was charged with 18 other people including the head of blacks for trump, harris and floyd. they're all being charged. four of them already took plea deals. when you go to the classified documents case, they are both still charged with hiding classified documents, including our nuclear secrets in donald trump's house, some in the
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bathroom. they're still charged. that is the will he isson. everyone around donald trump goes to prison. all those january 6th defendants. he skates through and forgets about them. >> and he can do something with the defendants in the classified documents case. they're federal crimes. he could pardon them. bull but georgia, he can't help them. and rudy giuliani, this is a civil case. he's abrupt civil crimes attorney. he can't pardon him. so as the reverend al said, we're very familiar with rudy giuliani. he was the u.s. attorney in what was supposed to be the premiere attorney general in the country. and he's a disbarred, bankrupt person. and you know, he's going to trial on january 16th.
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and of course, i mean, donald trump won't be there. this is what happens to people, unfortunately, who are in the trump world. we see what has happened to rudy giuliani. >> i was born in brooklyn. so was he. when he was mayor, he wouldn't set foot in brooklyn. he wanted it to be in the world trade center. he moved the national intelligence apparatus into the world trade center. he has a history. to your point and katherine's point, there is a karma nature. other than donald trump who faced no accountable, everyone around him is paying the price alone. what do you think the chances are that donald trump will write him a check and help him financially in. >> i think it would be little to none and little is out of town. he will not care one bit.
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he's not expressed any word at all in support of rudy giuliani. and i think the lesson is for those had would throw any kind of morality and ethics to the winter to serve crump will suffer the same fate. you couldn't be more loyal before people even knew donald trump was going to get into politics. look where he is now. so at the end you may have at the end some shonn. you say karma, i say as a preacher, that which you sow you will also reap. >> absolutely. and they had lives of decency and respectability. they were there every weekend advocating for the community.
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the people that, for those of us who lived in new york, we're quite villainous. >> it is hard to overstate how cruel rudy giuliani was to the black community. how insensitive he was to people of color. he just didn't care. now he's out there whining that he did you tell have any cash. >> and these two women to black women, he has allegedly defind them again. now the d.c. judge is looking at whether or not they should be held in could not tempt. there are plenty of 80-year-old who's are cognitively fine in art. >> and they were tortured.
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trump's looming hold on power, democratic strongholds at the state level, have become a frequent target for all the future president's men who are eager to fulfill their dear leader's promise to conduct via the deployment of the u.s. military on u.s. soil the largest deportationation in u.s. history. he has gone so far as to threaten to arrest mayors who don't fall in line. something he would have no actual legal authority to do. his repeated vows to cut funding to sanctuary states, however, which have already been parroted on capitol hill, are raising alarms among democratic leaders at the state level. the "washington post" advanced that reporting today adding that trump transition team advisers are discussing how to unilaterally strip federal resources from chicago and other democratic-run cities if they refuse to participate in deportations. these are federal resources that play a critical role in funding
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housing, health care, and education. it creates a situation that requires courage and the strong ideological back bone from our democratic leaders. in some cities run by blue mayors, they really find themselves standing on the other side of purple. you have some opting to try to smooze trump. we're already seeing complying taking place. they are already drawing up plans to shutter a migrant center. the mayor says he will close another dozen by the end of the year. joining me now, the former obama aide, former state assemblyman and the latest to join a crowded field of candidates for mayor of new york city. it is good to see you. i want to start there. eric adams has definitely been playing footsie with trump and taking a hard line about some 42,000 migrants who have been shipped politically as a
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political maneuver from texas and florida and red states. what would your assistance be on the migrant community there? as mayor, would you comply with mass deportation? >> i absolutely would not comply. it is always good to see you again, joy. we have a mayor who, he had more priority and focus of seeing trump at a ufc fight on a saturday night than actually to help the people. one of the many reasons i'm running for mayor, we have a mayor who truly is making it clear that he does not care at all about new yorkers. he only cares about making donald trump happy for his own protection. joy, just yesterday, it was communicated when we launched our campaign that 12% of new yorkers do not want this man. 12%. that's it.
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>> oh-oh! let me go -- you froze for a moment. hopefully your connection is okay. we'll get you on the phone. we're having a little trouble with the wi-fi gods. they're not playing ball with us here. the reason you said 12%, there are some issues. mayor adams is accused of corruption. prosecutors say adams received free plane tickets, luxury hotel stays, illegal campaign contributions. he's charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud, federal program bribery, campaign contributions by foreign nationals. he is accused of solicitation and contributions from a foreign national. he could face 45 years in prison. he could face five years for the wire fraud charges -- well, 20 years for the wired o'wire fraud charges and ten years for
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bribery. this is someone risking going to prison and has to play ball even if it is cruelty to people in new york. >> he's only doing this to stay out of jail. he's not doing this work because i wants to help the new york city public. when we think about what is at stake right now, new yorkers are concerned about cost of living, about what happens around immigration. what is happening around crime and safety. and all eric adams is doing and delaying and avoiding and making a fascist happy as opposed to helping new yorkers. full stop. when we think about what is at stake right now, you have on january 20th, 2025, at the end of the day, you have a donald trump presidency where he is saying he will deport en masse.
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it will be families impacted as well. i am running because we have a focus that tomorrow begins today. we have to make sure that all the attacks coming out of d.c. are actually creating opportunities for our communities. eric adams is only concerned about one person. eric adams. when you think about even today where a judge deemed he couldn't even keep ryker's island. if he ran on law and order and safety and he couldn't keep those safe who are incarcerated, how can he keep you safe? all he cares about is staying out of jail. what i care about is having a be enjoy. >> the incoming administration that they want to delist and defund charitable organizations that they decide are terrorist-supported and they've said they will target tools like columbia university where there were protests. deport students who protest. use the military against protesters. what would be your tact tort
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protesters on university campuses? >> first, we have to make it very clear that everyone has an opportunity to speak their mind. just because someone speaks their mind does not mean you're demeaning either side. it is clear you should say as a mayor that what happened on october 17th to the jewish people and the people of israel is recommend rehencible. you have to be a mayor that is willing to speak up on behalf of the people. and say i will allow you to have your voice here. eric adams made it very clear. he would listen to donors and his entity at the nypd to actually stop you from having a voice. however, when it come to what we need to do, we need to make sure students and people in our communities have a voice in the process. within this vision, in all of our vision, making it very clear. number one. how do we think about universal childcare as well as addressing the cost of living.
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what are we doing to make sure new yorkers are safe and secure. you should be able to get home safely. what do we do to make sure we're addressing the challenges around homelessness, and in particular, new york city students that are homeless right now. when you think about this, you have to be a mayor that helps everyone. eric adams is not that. 12% of new yorkers are the only ones who think he should be re-elected. that's why we're here and that's why we're running. >> good luck in your campaign and thank you for being here. sorry about the wi-fi issues. i appreciate you being here tonight. coming up, i have some thoughts ahead of thanksgiving dinner on the utter hypocrisy of whining and victim hood. of whining and victim hood.
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so apparently, the people who voted for the i will protect women whether they like it or not, childless women should have no rights, puerto rico is trash island, and haitians will eat your pets gang are the real victims. despite their guy winning the election. in fact, they are now the modern day equivalent of rosa parks, we're told, by a white comedian. civil rights heroes, the lot of them. the rest of us, among the 73 million americans who voted not to have fascism, mass deportation, internment camps and economy-crushing tariffs are
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the bad guys. the segregationists of our time. hold on. let me check my notes. if we don't want to have turkey dinner with the people screaming, your body, my choice. okay. so there is this strong dual energy among maga people and their apologists and it actually fits quite neatly with the history of america. it is equal parts bully energy where they want to relentlessly troll liberals and lash out minorities, and victim energy, where the same liberals are supposed to take the trolling quietly and also, pity the trolls. it's the eternal victim hood of the conservative. we need to constantly coddle, study and understand them. no one, not the media, definitely not the comedians are required to try to understand liberals and progressives. no, no. we must seek to understand those on the right. what they really meant by their votes. what they want.
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what they need. we are the constant handmaidens and wet nurses required to baby them, understand them and serve them dinner. if we want to say mental health break and concerns about trans people in the bathroom and the soccer field, reading to kids in the library and apparently hiding under their beds, we are the ones in the wrong. in short, our dinner, their choice. it's the same energy their forefathers had toward the indigenous tribes. let's have thanksgiving dinner on the land we stole from you. before we pack you off to the reservation and sfluf out your culture, could you please pass the corn on the cob? from north carolina to rosewood, florida, and tulsa, oklahoma, where black communities got burned to the ground by racist white mobs. later gentrified when rich folks moved downtown because it was
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closer to work. what more do you want? accurate history? are you trying to hurt our feelings? these are the people who say the undocumented who they get to call illegal immigrants like the pilgrims who had permission to come here, had to suffer the consequences of their actions. they made the choice to overstay their visas or come into our country illegally. if they get deported, consequences. but you right wingers shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of your votes? you don't want to be around me because i voted for fascism. no fair. i'm coughing on you with covid but you want me to wear a mask for your safety? no fair. my body my choice. here's an alternative thought. make your own dinners, troll amongst yourselves with elon and leave us alone. you got your heart's desire. the president you dream of instead of jesus. this time you didn't even have to storm the capitol or try to kill police officers or issue
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threats to poll workers. you did it just by voting. congrats. you got your way. and he even got away with breaking the law. yay! if you expect the 73 million who voted for the prosecutor, not the felon, and particularly the 92% of black women who voted for kamala to give you a cookie for your vote, a cookie, a hug, a high five, you might be asking too much. if we want to eat with you, we will. if we just want some peace over the holidays and we don't want to put up, stop asking like we owe you. for god's sakes, stop whining. it's embarrassing. when we come back, i have a special announcement that you are not going to want to miss. a.
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the results of the recent election which were a profound disappointment to so many obscure some really important facts that history will remember. history will recall, ld we still have history. that kamala harris harris was the second woman and the first black and first asian-american woman to be the nominee of a major u.s. political party. she won more than 73 million votes. the third highest vote count of any presidential candidate. more votes than even barack obama in 2008 or 2012 or hillary clinton in 2016. but kamala harris is more than that. she's more than the bringer of 107 days of campaign joy who brought america one step closer
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yet again to finally having what mexico and so many other countries have and have had. a woman head of state. she is our 49th vice president. the first woman to hold the job. that alone makes her historic. on top of having been the first black woman d.a. in san francisco, the first black, first woman, and first asian-american to be california attorney general. the first black senator from that state and only the second black woman senator in u.s. history. we often do a poor job of celebrating our greats and kamala harris is an historic great. she is the product of the unique genius of the idea of having a multiracial democracy and a nation of immigrants. both of her parents came to this country as immigrants during one of the most fraught periods in our history, the 1960s. and their daughter broke a lot of barriers. barriers little american girls can still dream of breaking.
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a new book celebrating kamala harris's historic vice presidency in which she provided more tie-breaking votes than any previous vice president including to secure an historic infrastructure law that is literally rebuilding america. a law bringing the micro clip business back to the u.s. providing millions of jobs and creating new, and another one creating new penalties.is worth celebrating despite how we feel about the election. i'm proud to have written the introduction to a pretty amazing new photo book celebrating her vice presidency. it is called kamala harris. selections from the official white house photography and it is available wherever you buy your books. hopefully, you will try a small independent bookstore near you. and that's tonight's reid-out. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in. >> i don't think the idea of going to war with the united states is
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