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good to be with you. thank you for joining us on this thanksgiving day. both israel and lebanon are accusing the other of violating the cease-fire. israel conducted strikes on hezbollah targets claiming alleged terrorist activity. we will be in beirut in just a moment. if you are already home for the holidays, be thankful. rain and snow are set to batter new england. what it means for traveling home. we are tracking forecast. how did she slip past security? big questions at jfk and delta as a woman stows away on a flight to paris. yes, this really happened. what the tsa says is going on.
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an nbc news exclusive with one of the astronauts delayed in space for months. there she is. how she is responding to concerns back home about her health. plus, how she is planning to celebrate thanksgiving 250 miles away from earth. let's get to israel and lebanon. matt bradley is joining us. what are the accusations and does it look like the cease- fire will hold? >> reporter: the accusations are basically back and forth. israelis saying it's the lebanese who violated it. the lebanese saying the israelis violated it. this truce has stood this long so far. at least two people were injured. it does not sound like there were any more casualties by israeli fire along the border.
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the israelis said these were people that were violating the terms of the cease-fire because they were returning to places they weren't supposed to pick it sounds as if they have violated the first airstrike since the deal came into effect yesterday morning, brokered by joe biden. so far it looks as though this is holding against all of the odds. despite these violations i've been here for the better part of the past four months. we've been hearing regular bombardments. despite these violations we have not heard anything like we've been hearing for the past several months. it really is a quieter town than when we saw it a couple weeks ago before the treaty came into effect. when it comes to the white house and those that brokered the deal, joe biden seems to be very optimistic. here's what he said. >> with the grace of god we go and we will get some more
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hostages released. i am really thankful for being able to get the first cease- fire. >> reporter: this will be a big test for the international mechanism set up by the united states and france when they negotiated the deal to try to come to an agreement. if and when there is a violation to try to keep the guns that i'm saying have been silent for the past 48 hours, to keep them silent and keep the peace. >> also a big test of the lebanese military. thank you very much. with the truce, people in gaza were hoping for some relief of their own. >> reporter: they ran from the bombs only for the seed to come for them. the storms rippling through the region blowing away tents, soaking wet few belongings they have left.
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tarps became makeshift homes on the shifting sands of the beach. the elements all but destroyed them. children here. canned food from the sand floating in trash filled water. the sea will kill us, says this woman. with winter coming, the winds are stronger. plastic trash bags flapping in the wind. the air getting colder. nature unforgiving even toward the most vulnerable in its path. i have no clothing for her. they are all wet says the mother. holding her five-month-old daughter. in a football field in gaza city turned camp for the displaced, dark clouds hanging over the tents. rain is in the forecast. the residents trying to insulate their tents doing what they can to keep the water out
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with old, rolled up rugs. a woman who's lost her husband and son cleans a coffee pot with the sand with no warm clothing or sanitation or clean water. they say they are on the verge of freezing. temperatures here can dip into frost overnight. death would be better than this life, she says. the bonds continue to fall. israel has damaged or destroyed two thirds of the structures in gaza. that means there are fewer and fewer shelters across the strip. as winter approaches for many of the homeless, there will be no place left to hide. >> thank you very much. extreme weather is making holiday travel tough. major airports in dc, austin, newark, atlanta and jfk are experiencing flight delays as
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storms stretch across the eastern seaboard. the rain and a little fake snow could not keep santa from his duty of closing out the macy's thanksgiving day parade. crowds dressed up in ponchos gathered to see him. joining us now is maggie vespa who's in chicago covering the record-breaking travel. also michelle grossman track in the forecast. first, tell us what is in store. >> great to see you. i love how you mentioned the parade. it did not put a damper on the spirits. we are ponchos on but everybody was moving and grooving. that is where we see our weather in terms of precipitation. if you look at an overall snapshot of the country we are not tracking any block buster storms. it is frigid in some parts of the country. arctic air from canada. maggie will tell you about that but we are looking at temperatures in the 20s or 30s, below freezing, near freezing and many spots.
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24 in minneapolis. just at the freezing mark in chicago. we are looking at the chance of strong thunderstorms. also along the gulf coast. some heavy downpours and even the chance of a tornado or two. it is really in the northeast. we are looking good in terms of any travel on the roadways. it's confined to the new england spots where we could see some wind really picking up there. some heavy, wet snow in some spots and heavy rain still lingering. you can see where the cold front is. it sweeps down to the south, but most of the wet weather is to the north. the northeast is starting to clear as well but we still see some heavy rain where we see the red, orange, yellow. boston seeing that right now. the windshield wipers will be going fast as you travel to
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your thanksgiving dinner. we are looking at the snow falling. it will switch over to snow and later the blue and white are the heaviest snow. by tonight and later tomorrow into monday we will see the lake effect snow really picking up. some spots could see up to three feet. 9 million people impacted by winter alerts. winter storm warnings and the pink for places like greenville. some winter weather advisories for being into him is cupping him 10. we are looking at three inches per hour over the next several days. bitterly cold over the next several days. it's called the siberian express. it travels 5200 miles to reach us and it will bring the really cold air. we are looking at temperatures 10, 20, 30 degrees below
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normal. only in the 30s in chicago, kansas city. 40s as far south as oklahoma city. we will see the cold there move to the east so you will have your friday shopping, your black friday shopping it will be cold. we will have to bring the coat from the car because we are looking at temperatures 10 degrees in fargo, well below normal. rapid city into the 20s. same story in chicago. 15 below normal. it will feel warm compared to what it will feel like tomorrow. we have temperatures sticking in place with the siberian express. it's a big area of low pressure ushering down the wind. places like detroit out of the 30s. we are looking at temperatures right around 40 degrees work
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paducah into the 30s and 40s. let's talk about the snow. this will be really tough. this starts tonight and ramps up over the next several days. by monday it will be tough to travel. sunday one of the busiest travel days of the year. where you see the brighter colors, the pinks and blues, that's where we are looking at the heaviest snowfall. some spots downwind of lake erie, take ontario will see very intense banding. we will see up to three feet of snow in some spots. overall for tomorrow that will be the big story. this is what it looks like for everybody else. wintry chill in place but another quiet day. no huge storms to speak of. we are looking at sunshine through the west. the south-central states mixing a little bit of clouds. the only other problem spot could be parts of the ohio valley into central florida. 71 with showers in orlando.
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that will set us up for nice travel weather. we are looking for nice delays. fingers crossed we are looking good tomorrow. >> that does not sound so great for you in chicago. cold today and a lot more cold- weather, perhaps some snow coming up. the roads look pretty good. tell me about it. >> reporter: they are good. every time michelle said maggie can tell you helping litters the frigid cold is definitely settling in. you can see that does nothing for the traffic. thanksgiving is the best travel day of the holiday week stretch so far. if you waited for today to travel. close to 80 million americans traveling for the thanksgiving holiday. the vast majority 72 million
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driving. the tsa says they will see a record over the course of tuesday and this coming monday. passengers passing through up 6% from last year. experts say you should check the typical kind of standards. the weather apps and news alerts. on the list of travel hiccups that nobody saw coming is something we want to flag you on. this story of a stowaway on a delta flight. at the peak of the holiday travel from new york to paris. we flew all the way to paris without any kind of -- then flew all the way to paris without a boarding pass this person got passed tsa without a gate agent or a ticket.
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basically went between bathrooms through the entire flight because it was a sold- out light. it wasn't until they landed in paris in their destination that passengers were made aware that there was a stowaway, an extra passenger on the plane. tsa said they are thoroughly investigating the situation. delta saying they are conducting an exhaustive investigation. again, we fly a lot. it is unfathomable. travel seems to be going smoothly business -- despite that really bizarre wrinkle. >> she's just got a get to carry -- paris. you can't blame her for that. one phone call, two different accounts. what happened when president-
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two very different accounts of a phone call between president-elect donald trump and the president of mexico. trump claimed on social media mexico's leader had agreed to effectively close the southern border amid threats of a tariff or. mexico's president said the conversation was more about
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migrant caravans and tariffs were never even discussed. joining us now is senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell and former republican congressman charlie dent. give us some reporting on this. >> it is interesting because it sorta points out why leader to leader calls typically have a notetaker from the government, have others from the state department who would be listening in so there's a restaurant -- record of the call memorialized for future relationships. that is not the donald trump way of doing things. as president-elect trump is taking calls and engaging with world leaders without that kind of typical oversight. even the kind that would benefit him if a foreign leader said something that differed from his view and he could prove that it was not the case. so that takes us to a familiar place for you and me. we have talked about these
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kinds of exchanges with the former soon-to-be again president and world leaders. where they differ is on the issue of the southern border. the mexican president is very clear that she does not believe in closed borders. the soon to be president again says he believes things like using tariffs, the kind of relationship he's got, the stand in that he brings to this is enough to effect a change. we saw some of the people in his orbit tweeting and responding on social media to his comments on truth social about his phone call saying it just takes a call for him to get something done. that is their judgment of it. certainly the leadership in mexico has a different view. crossings are down. president biden and some rare remarks of late spoke to the hole with him in nantucket and also acknowledged that the number of detentions and people crossing the southern border is down.
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he said that his progress and he thinks there's more work to do. it is different points of view on a very contentious issue that drove so much of what animated the election we've all been through. the president-elect is using social media and whatever political capital he's amassed to try to position himself for success in that. his soon to be order bizarre tom homan talks about his expectations for what can happen regarding mass deportations. here's what he had to say. >> we will give you your day in court but when a federal judge says you have to go home they have to go home. if we don't send them home then what are we doing? if you let them stay you will never stop the whole world from wanting to come to the greatest nation on earth. >> you get a sense of his tone. they are talking about due process. he is not backing off from the
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intention to remove from the country large numbers of people who have been determined to not be here lawfully. he has certainly talked about beginning with those who have committed any criminal offenses as the first wave. >> part of the reason this takes so long to do is there are not enough immigration judges or people out there to move things along. to find the people, bring them to court, adjudicate the issue, get them on a plane and have the country that is going to take them say yes to them coming back. part of that was addressed in the bipartisan immigration bill that did not go anywhere in the senate because donald trump did not want it to go anywhere. if you really does want to do these mass deportations or any sort of deportations on a larger scale, how much do they need to pass a comprehensive immigration bill in congress to address the issues we are already seeing which is there
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are not enough civil servants out there to process these claims. >> clearly the administration, the incoming administration will need more border patrol agents, immigration judges, detention beds and space for children and families. they will need all that. they had an opportunity with the bipartisan bill. that would not have solved all the problems but it would have been a good step. they will need to do a lot more. what will also have to happen, i served under three presidents. bush, george w. bush, barack obama and donald trump. each administration has to set priorities for deportation. criminals, terrorists, national security threats go to the top. recent arrivals go high up there it will take time. you mentioned that sometimes repatriating a person back to a country is not as easy as it sounds. i was on the homeland security
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committee for years. we had problems with some countries. we could not send people back that had valid remover orders. i could go through a number of nations. we could not send them back even though they had been through due process. it is going to take some time and i don't know how they will do it quickly but they will need legislation to help them get the resources they need to do the job. >> can't send them anywhere because the country is refusing to take them back. what do you do with those people? do they just sit in a holding warehouse? >> some of them had been serving sentences in american prisons. but they had served their sentence so what do you do with them. often times they would go back out on the streets. sometimes they would hold them in detention but this was a problem. i'm sure your researchers could
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take a good look at this. i have not looked at these numbers for a couple of years but there are a considerable number learn people with valid removal orders and we could not send them back. that is just an example. it's not true of everybody but certainly these people coming in through the southern border are not legitimate asylum cases. they are economic migrants. they should be easier to return but you have to deal with the most recent arrivals first but it requires a lot of resources. >> it certainly does. we have breaking news. five members of congress all democrats representing connecticut have received bomb threats this morning. and said she received an email saying there was a pipe bomb in her mailbox. a spokesperson for senator chris murphy said the threats appear to be part of a coordinated effort. all five are safe and police found no evidence of bombs.
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president biden made a pit stop before thanksgiving dinner, visiting a fire house with the first lady and his grandson. thinking them and the country. >> we have a lot to be thankful for. i really believe this. it is nothing beyond our capacity to work together. >> joining me now is mike. he is covering the president in massachusetts. he said he is also thankful for a peaceful transition. what else have we heard today? >> reporter: first of all, i think it was news that we heard so much from the president today because prior to this week he had only answered a grand total of two questions from members of the white house press corps since trump's
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victory. he weighed in on a number of topics. he criticized president-elect trump for his proposed tariffs on canada and mexico talking about the need to not screw up those relationships. he talked about having called those formerly detained americans who returned from china overnight, talking about the importance of that relationship. i thought it was interesting his response to the last question about the fact that so many americans, especially those that supported him and vice president harris are very upset and nervous about the future. take a listen to how he engaged on that question. >> my message is to just remember who we are. i want to make sure the transition goes smoothly. all of the talk about what he's going to do and not do, i think there may be a little bit of internal reckoning on his part
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but we will see. on thanksgiving i am help will. >> reporter: and internal reckoning. the president using about what might be going on. you know there has been some criticism of president biden from within his party about the fact that he has been taking these photos and smiling with president-elect trump and stressing the need for the peaceful transition when that was not afforded to him four years ago when he was warning just months earlier that he was a threat to democracy. it's an indication into his thinking because as much as he does not agree with the outcome of the election, he respects the verdict. he knows part of his legacy and part of what will happen going forward depends on him going to do his part having that orderly transition and model some good behavior. >> thank you very much. it is almost here. as soon as those thanksgiving
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dishes are done it is time for black friday shopping. as retailers advertise the savings how do you know you are getting the best deal? we have the holiday shopping deal tracker. >> reporter: with the days of door busters long gone the calendar creep of black friday has made its way earlier in the week. amazon, target and walmart are already offering deals putting the onus on the shopper to see if the trace -- prices are perfect. >> it says 20% off but that's what it's been all year. >> reporter: it does remain the best time of year for deep discounts according to adobe analytics. >> because consumers perceive the best if discounts they made sure they are offering some of the best priced items.
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>> we wanted to see for ourselves tracking the price tags on gifts you may be looking at for the holidays. the newest air pots have been discounted on and off. the best deal we saw was this weekend. $30 off. the same trend with this coffee maker which is the cheapest it has been in months. other items we tracked like these speaker -- sneakers, toys or tv have not been discounted. >> some brands may say it is on sale but it's the same price. >> reporter: use price checking tools and take advantage of price matching to truly get the best deal. a little homework going a long way this holiday season. today we present a special thanksgiving marathon of my generation, the documentary series taking an in-depth look
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new strikes in ukraine as russia bombarded the energy grid with missiles and drone strikes. it knocked out power for 700,000 homes and businesses as frigid temperatures said in enforcing ukrainians to take refuge in bomb shelters and subway stations. daniel is joining us now from london. tell us more about these attacks. >> reporter: the western, southern, and central ukraine and about 1 million people. this is not a new tactic. it's the second massive attack on energy infrastructure unleased by russia this month. the 11th this past year prompting the national energy company to introduce emergency
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power cuts which is why so many people are without power. we just checked moments ago with our colleagues in ukraine. they are still without power and that's expected to be in place through the day. in kyiv air raid sirens went off about midnight and rang out through the night for 9 1/2 hours. as you mentioned people seeking refuge in the metro system. it has been 1000 days of this. they are used to this. some classrooms have you moved permanently to the metro system. we know that ukrainians are resilient and used to the cold but this is meant to affect morale. they said they were able to shoot down all of the munitions that targeted the capitol. vladimir putin said this was in reaction to ukraine using western made longer-range weapons into russia. he said today 90 missiles were launched. 100 thrones, 17 targets hit.
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he also warned that future targets may also include decision-making centers, in other words government liens prompting a reaction by ukraine. ukrainian officials urging the international community to react. >> president-elect donald trump is being praised by vladimir putin. what is he saying? >> reporter: he was in cassock stand meeting with an alliance made up of ex-soviet states. he said a number of things. he called him an intelligent, experienced politician but that he did not thank you a safe following the attempted assassination in july. he said a couple of things that were noteworthy. he said russia would use all the weapons at its disposal should ukraine obtain nuclear weapons. this comes after a new york times report suggested citing unidentified officials suggesting that president ryden
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would consider giving nuclear arms to ukraine before he left office. vladimir putin also saying there are no preconditions for talks on a peace plan, but the terms that he set out back in june still apply. first things first, he said ukraine has to drop its ambitions to join nato and ukraine has to hand over four provinces claimed by a moscow. >> thank you very much. on this thanksgiving holiday many servicemembers are overseas far from their own families. that does not mean they are not celebrating. megan fitzgerald is in poland with troops from the 212th cavalry unit. >> reporter: happy thanksgiving. we are in eastern poland. i'm here with a very fine men and women of the 212th cavalry. they have decked the place out.
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they have the turkey and they are having thanksgiving together. it's a working day but they are taking time off to enjoy the holiday. >> reporter: these troops on duty. >> we are here no matter what time of the year it is. >> reporter: they are just 100 miles from the russian border. today they are focusing on securing a water crossing. for these soldiers there's no slowing down for the holidays. tanks giving dinner is coming to them, served up in a field kitchen as a way of offering a little reminder of home. >> we have green beans here. corn on the cob as well.
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>> reporter: how does it smell? >> it is smelling really good. >> reporter: while the setting is far from typical a lot of effort is going into making sure the day still feels special. >> this is my favorite season. >> reporter: hours of preparation by fellow soldiers were no detail is being spared. >> we have all of the classic pies. >> reporter: while it is not home today feels pretty close. >> we have two families. we have our family back at home and we have each other. >> reporter: they are thankful for each other and a grateful nation is thankful for them. >> reporter: they eat together. they work together. you get the feel that it is a family and they had an
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today in atlanta dozens of people are spending their thanksgiving busy preparing dinner not for themselves but for those in need. volunteers are packaging and delivering turkey and stuffing and, of course, pies for dozens of families are one of the most well-known profits. joining me now is priya.
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it must be really excited to be out there. >> reporter: absolutely. thanksgiving is more than football and pie and parades but we are focused on the giving part of thanksgiving. we are seeing places like this across the country. we are that -- at the josi helps. this is their mission to feed the homeless year-round. they are able to give out warm meals. they are still coming in the cars to deliver cardboard boxes full of items like spaghetti, applesauce to families across the area. they were telling me that the need and the demand is higher than ever. right now you are seeing some of those hot meals, turkey,
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mashed potatoes that are going out to be delivered to folks in a homeless encampment nearby. let's listen to what the ceo had to say about what they are up to. >> we have volunteer drivers that will help us deliver an entire thanksgiving meal directly to their doors. we will get a hold turkey and the sides and beverages that they need. >> reporter: one of the coolest things about josi a helps, is that thanksgiving is a touch point for them to help out with so many folks in need. they are able to collect data and get information on whether or not they might be evicted, if they are eligible for food stamps, snapped benefits, then they are able to follow up with the appropriate services and counselors. this is a year-long mission. the next event coming up is on
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christmas. i'm holding this piece of paper because they wanted to let me know they are still looking for items like toys, new unwrapped toys for kids 13 and younger, corn, cornbread, cranberry sauce. it's a mission that keeps going and it is a day of celebration. >> thank you very much. toys, unwrapped for 13 and younger. now to a celebration 250 miles above earth where the crew of the international space station is spending the holiday. two of those astronauts are supposed to be home a long time ago. lester holt spoke exclusively with one of them, suni williams. >> first of all, a happy thanksgiving to you and your entire crew. do you have plans? will you do something akin to a traditional thanksgiving meal?
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>> it is really awesome. they gave us tomorrow off so our plans are as usual get up and work out, do the turkey trot and watch a little macy's day parade and we have a bunch of good we have packed away that is thanksgiving-ish. >> thanksgiving will be day 176 of the mission to the space station. williams and fellow american butch were supposed to spend just over a week there after completing the first crude test flight of the boeing star liner capsule. after problems with the spacecraft, nasa determined it was not safe enough to bring them home. >> how are you holding up in general? does it take a toll on your body? >> part of being in space is working out. we work out two hours a day. you can see butch right here.
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our bodies change a little bit while we are appear and that is why we have to work out so much. some people call it space off. some people call it fluid shift in your body. i think we look really good. >> i know you have heard some of the social media conversations worrying about your health. is there any message to those folks? >> we are feeling good, working out, eating right. it is awesome. we have a lot of fun up here so people are worried about us, don't worry about us. >> the plan is for them to return to earth in a spacex dragon in february. of course, the capsule you came up on was sent back without a crew. did heart of you wish it could be on it as it made its return? >> you betcha. it's a pretty unique opportunity to land a spacecraft for the first time. heart of the testing was to see how all of that undocking, orbit burn, entry and landing would have been.
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>> do you still have confidence in the technology that brought you there? would you get on a star liner again tomorrow? >> tomorrow might be a little too early. we learned a lot of lessons from the flight, but the spacecraft is really a solid spacecraft. it has so many capabilities. maybe not tomorrow because we have to incorporate some lessons learned but as soon as we see we are on the right path and have made some of the fixes, absolutely. >> commander, astronauts can sometimes wait years for a slot to get back in space. do you look at this as a bit of a bonus? >> that is an interesting question. i do because i love living up here. it's awesome and we are doing some amazing cutting-edge science. it's really amazing to be part of that. >> it is pretty cool. coming up, trumponomics.
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shop a sleep number store near you. >> good to be with you, donald trump has gotten used to controversy in his cabinet with loyalists set to be installed at the top of critical agencies like the department of defense
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and health and human services. his latest picks for key economic roles might feel economically conventional. scott bessent named as the incoming treasury secretary nominee, conservative economist, kevin hassett to lead the white house economic council again, two picks that prompted a bipartisan sigh of relief for their long-standing ties to financial officials and economic institutions around the world. the question is why them at the time trump feel so emboldened to break the mold? is it politics, because the new york times reporting it doesn't sound like it, his choices to lead his economic team show the prominence of billionaire investors and setting an agenda that is supposed to fuel a blue- collar boom, but skeptics think will mostly benefit the rich. what does it all mean for the
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tariffs donald trump has been threatening because his latest warnings of high tariff on mexico and china will only be the beginning of his economic vision which experts are worried might send the u.s. economy into a tailspin. despite the positive signs on paper about the economy right now, a record number of people are still seeking help at food pantries this thanksgiving. shannon went to one in grand rapids, michigan to find out more about what is driving the need. >> as my pay goes up, the cost of living is going up, the cost of electricity, gas, water, it is all going up. i cannot get ahead. >> are using demand go down at all? >> no, we are seeing the opposite, we are seeing demand go up, these are working people and they aren't able to cover a survivors budget.
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>> kelly o'donnell joining us now, covering the trump transition for us, john nichols, national affairs correspondent for the nation and msnbc political analyst, david jolly. tell us a little bit more about these economic pix from donald trump. >> when you described them as more conventional, that rings true in this case, kevin was a part of the first term and would frequently be a part of briefings, talking about the first term president trump policies, he is familiar with how the white house works, so that makes a lot of sense to run his national economic council, his choice for treasury secretary which of course is subject to confirmation by the republican dominated senate as someone who has been a donor to donald trump and someone who has spoken favorably about tariffs as a negotiating tool so in many ways when you consider how important the economy is to the
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success of whatever donald trump wants to achieve in a second term for him, there are so many ways and metrics by the economic landscape in terms of what the businesses say, the international peace, there's many ways to keep track of how donald trump performs in that realm compared to other areas like border crossings or immigration where there are opinions on that there isn't necessarily a world structure of supervision on whether that is going well or not. the economy is something where donald trump knows there's tons of weight keep -- ways to keep score. people known to the investment community, known to the financial institutions and by not putting fear into that bloodstream, that might be a way to at least, in a season of disruption, this is a much more calm place for trump to begin.
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and these are people who have been well thought of by lawmakers broadly, who have had a chance to comment so far, certainly the senate has been a donor to many republicans so they have personal relationships to rely on as well.>> kelly o'donnell, thank you very much. david jolly, these picks are traditional and well-known to republicans , conventional list as i said a moment ago, when the republican establishments see picks like this, what is the message they are inferring from those traces by donald trump?>> so, treasury and state, mainstream republicans are breathing a little sigh of relief but this is also a president who set the policy by tweeting, so it doesn't mean editing will be stable ahead
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but donald trump desperately needs the economy to succeed, or all of the unconventional nature, he would also hold republican views on economic growth, not so much with trade and tariffs but he fundamentally believes that if you unleash more private money into the economy, even for the wealthiest or the billionaire class, that will trickle down and lift up the working class. he doesn't support government programs that would otherwise create opportunities for many in the working class so you are going to see a broad push for tax cuts and i still think you are going to see donald trump try to crush the independence of the fed and get cheap money on the street as quickly as possible and have a rush of private-sector money into the economy. is that really the responsible way of doing it? when he left, he added 25% to the entire national debt, the pandemic had a lot to do with that but donald trump is somebody that doesn't worry about that and responsible
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spending, just get the money in the private sector. i think these picks reflect that, the question is, how do these handle donald trump setting policy by tweet, particularly in the area of tariffs because that might be contrary to some of his advisers natural orientation but we will see a play out in january apparently. >> if he starts meddling with the fed and the markets start reacting negatively, you might be able to predict that they would react negatively to that because of the consequences of a no longer independent fed, because as i said a moment ago, in his last presidency, he really did view the stock market as a report card. >> there's no question of that and one of the other things to keep in my here, it was the subtlety of the overall picture , that the proposed nominee or the nominee for treasurer secretary is someone who has suggested strategies for putting pressure on jerome powell, to possibly pick a
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replacement for powell but for the end of his term, not to push him out but to have somebody in waiting and a bunch of other steps, that have caused real concern among people like elizabeth warren. and the reason for this, as david suggested, there's going to be an effort to free up a lot of money, for corporate interests and the very wealthy. and the hope that will trickle down. but at the end of the day, what you are looking at is a reflection of something that you saw at least to some extent in the first term and that is, of all the talk about blue- collar workers and about concern and trade and tariffs, the primary characteristic of the trump administration is to lower taxes for the very rich and to expand the billionaire class, so those who are doing well do a lot better and i
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think that is the one touchstone that you see in these picks. >> there's also those who will point to the trump administration and say i was doing better personally back then and the tax cuts, there are a lot of folks in the middle class who did get a tax break, not as large as the one that the very rich god, but they got something. is that how donald trump operates? is it going to be, i'm going to give you a little bit here to distract you from how much i'm going to give over there?>> you and i might call it a distraction, donald trump might say it's just this combination of initiatives, one to give working-class people a little bit more, but to give the very wealthy a lot more, and that is how the trickle down works. the evidence is, trickle down doesn't work, it is a terrible way to try to boost the fortunes of low income and even middle income americans but, that was a big characteristic of the last term and i think
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one other thing to look at is that these picks, the one interesting thing about them, that they support using trade and tariff threats as a bargaining tool. they don't necessarily really support it, they are not all in , across the board. this is going to be one of the wrestling matches within the administration but if these appointees get their way, then you are going to have a situation where we really do ricochet back to primarily trickle down economics with a little bit of playing around and talking around tariffs but not necessarily an implementation. >> i wonder if a lot of the talk is political telegraphing, just a political tool he is going to use in order to show the american public that he is trying to fight hard by talking a big game but then getting any concession out of china or mexico or canada and holding that up to say that he won, he is a great negotiator, even if
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that concession might not mean that much, david. >> look, i think where donald trump lacks principle or his one principal is he doesn't worry about second and third order effects so much, he doesn't worry about the deficit, that is critical. he built his entire enterprise on other people's money and he's happy to either not pay at the closing table or to find another way to walk away from owning the debt so that is part of what he does. a good example, the tariffs from the first administration hit american agriculture but why is american agriculture so excited about donald trump? there is a little subtlety, sure, they hurt american farmers but when barack obama left office, there was roughly $8 billion in direct subsidies to american agriculture. when donald trump left, there was 28 billion in direct substance use, so donald trump did a campaign saying i wanted
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them to know that i handed out $30 billion in subsidies, but i think you will implement that by proclamation early and they will figure out how to make up any losses on the domestic side. you could say that is a principle or lack of principle but his notion is going to be pump as much money in today's economy as much as possible because the hangover is going to come long after he is gone.>> john, give me the positive prescription, the positive outlook on these economic moves from donald trump, is there a way to look at this as potentially something that might not be as dire as it is currently predicted to be with these tariffs , with his tax cuts that he wants to extend, is there maybe an optimistic way to approach this?>> well, i'm not one they usually go to for optimism about donald trump but what i would suggest is this notion of flooding money
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into the economy, can have some effect initially, and in fact there might be a boost in that initial stage, if it is done right. but the danger here i think is this kind of playing around with how much respect you have, how much you worked with jerome powell. that is the one that sends a red flag. as regards to tariffs, they work in a lot of different ways, they are carefully applied where they are done to help a particular industry, to have a particular impact. throughout history, they have been beneficial and they are not always bad, so if this is a subtle approach to tariffs , that is one thing. on the other hand, if it is a blanket approach, then that has a blowback that we were just talking about as regards to the agricultural committee. the final thing is, i know we
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are trying to find a positive scenario. one of the realities of trump's first term is that he did try to change trade policy but it was a real mess, he made trade policy worse, so the question is, will they have learned from that? one of the people, jamison greer was somebody who was around a lot of that. maybe they could do it in a better way, so that is a positive. possibly, they wouldn't make the extreme mistakes they have made in the past but i don't know that is a guarantee. and the last thing, i'm not entirely sure that this team will have full control over a lot of the economic decisions. obviously, the fed has a lot, but also, those people close to the president in the white house may have more control than a secretary of treasury or someone who is a trade rep.>> and what david said earlier,
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policy by tweet, this time it might be truth social or whatever outlet he uses, he does have a short attention span, decides what he wants and sends everybody into a tizzy, chaotic is the way i would describe the first term and maybe even the second term. david jolly, john nichols, thank you very much, happy thanksgiving. an israeli strike against hezbollah, what that means for the troops, is it going to hold? and caught in the crossfire between israel and hezbollah, what is left of the area as displaced people think about coming back. we are back in 90 seconds. vapocool drops? it's sore throat relief with a rush of vicks vapors. ♪ vapocooooool ♪ whoa. vaporize sore throat pain with vicks vapocool drops.
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>> just two days after a cease- fire deal went into effect between israel and hezbollah, israel saying they discovered terrorist activity. joining us now, the ambassador, is this cease-fire going to hold? >> happy thanksgiving. this cease-fire was circumstantial to begin with, there was no trust, no good faith and no one thinks it'll last, all that being
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established, you have to give it time, this is slightly more optimistic. it has only been two days. there's a lot of moving parts. if you recall, part of the agreement is that hezbollah needs to vacate southern lebanon and israel will retreat, so you're going to have cross traffic here, and a group of israeli soldiers shot at or a group of hezbollah identifying israeli soldiers come you're going to have these scrimmages. that is the incident you are referring to, it does not necessarily indicate that it will last. i think it won't last in the long run but that certainly doesn't mean it will unravel in the next few days. >> much of this depends on iran's next move and they are in a very interesting position right now, there are indications that it is very much softening its stance on the west,
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representatives will be going to europe to talk about the nuclear program, they are talking a different game when it comes to donald trump, they sent somebody to talk to hezbollah to tell them to accept this deal on the cease- fire. what is happening with iran right now? >> it is very interesting, there are two things happening, the first is that hezbollah miscalculated so grossly, in entering the war and escalating it by misjudging israel's eventual response, that it involuntarily dragged iran into this. and this violated a very simple principle of iranian foreign policy, proxies fight for us, we don't fight for proxies. iran does not fight for proxies. and the military degrading of hezbollah turned it from an asset to a liability from iran.
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on a completely different plane supposedly, there is the nuclear issue. iran is facing harsh sanctions that trump's threatened throughout his campaign, to even increase, this will not hold, this will not affect regime changes but ron has improved relations with russia. huge chinese investments and a major improvement in relations with saudi arabia, qatar and the united arab emirates, all three of which will probably have more say on a more attentive donald trump than israel could ever have. so the iranians are facing basically, i could reduce it to a binary choice. go nuclear, meaning cross the nuclear threshold and risk war even with the united states, they have vowed many times that it would not allow iran to go nuclear, or engage the u.s. in a
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nuclear deal which will be supported by russia and china and germany and france. >> there's also indications that they might think donald trump is not quite the ally that benjamin netanyahu might think he is, they might believe donald trump would rein in netanyahu, why would they believe that ? >> for two reasons, because trump is supposedly war adverse, he talks a big game about not being entangled in foreign adventures, he is dismissive of the instance that american money should be committed to wars that do not have a direct effect on american interest. and iran is quite the contrary, if it escalates, it could have a bad effect on oil, on the oil prices if the iranians go reserve and block the straits, this is speculative. i don't
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think this will happen. the second thing is, katie, and it is sort of connected to your previous conversation about trump's economic appointments. they figured out that the way to talk to trump's to make him believe that he's on the verge of making a deal, striking a deal that nobody before him did, he is a dealmaker and because nobody knows how to make a deal better than he does. so they are going to come through him, through intermediaries and they are going to say look, you can do something that joe biden failed to do throughout 2021, that is go back to the agreement. conversely, we can strike a deal that you could say is much better than the deal that barack obama made in 2015, the one you withdrew from in 2018.
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they believe, and i think the saudis are going to be the ones pushing for, they believe this would work, so if he engages the iranians, and this could take a while, this could take up to a year and he could threaten and he could even impose new sanctions that doesn't mean it won't happen. if that really happens, then netanyahu has no levers, what is he going to do, ask lindsey graham to talk to the government, ask the democrats to protest? nobody is going to stand up for him. >> it could be a very interesting time in the middle east over this next year. thank you and happy thanksgiving. australia took a major step today to try to keep kids and teenagers off social media, parliament voted to pass a bill banning social media for kids under 16, the law is expected to take full effect next november and will set the toughest social media controls
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in the world. joining us now, nbc news international correspondent, danielle, i don't know if you have kids but i do and i welcome this, please bring it here. my question is, how are they going to enforce it?>> reporter: i do have kids, two girls and if you are the parent of a teenager, they are hooked to their phone, listen closely, it is a first in the world, no child under the age of 16 will be able to have a social media account on twitter, instagram, facebook, tiktok, snapchat, youtube is expected to be allowed, the law only coming into effect next year. so the companies that own these platforms will have until november 2025 to figure out how to implement this age limit which is the highest in the world, they will have to stop
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minors from being able to log into these accounts or else the penalty, something around $30 million. the experts in australia said the majority of people just thought social media was just doing more harm than good and that was backed up by polls. 77 people supported it. the bill was introduced, debated and passed within a week and the prime minister said he has spoken to other world leaders who had applauded australia on this issue.>> i mean, speak to me and i would applaud him on this issue, as you said, anybody who has got a teenager, they will know they are hooked to their phones. >> and i will tell you what the reaction has been like from big tech, first of all, google and meta had urged australia to
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delay the passage of this legislation saying more time was needed to study the impact of the ban, meta saying they were concerned the process was rushed. they are saying there was not enough time to look at the safeguards in place, obviously the proponents of this legislation say the safeguards are insufficient, elon musk who owns x id this was a backdoor way to control access to the internet by all australians, obviously blasting the legislation. some said listen, people could just use vpn to go around this, that will disguise your location , and finally, others have said this could compromise your confidential private information, if biometrics are required. either way, if you are praying for this, this could have a
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domino effect.>> thank you very much, i know you are having audio issues. still to come, the balance of power in washington could really hinge on donald trump speed dial, what that might mean for republican leadership, that's next. ♪far-xi-ga♪ ♪far-xi-ga♪ ask your doctor about farxiga. ♪♪ vicks vapostick provides soothing non-medicated vicks vapors. easy to apply for the whole family. vicks vapostick. and try new vaposhower max for steamy vicks vapors. liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. oh! right in the temporal lobe! beat it, punks! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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>> when soon-to-be senate republican leader, john thune, the majority leader steps into his new role next year, he will have to grapple with donald trump's senate speed dial, he is famous for picking up the phone forgetting cut deals, to get perspectives or check in with people he trusts, that includes a dozen or so lawmakers. david jolly is back with us, so explain a little bit more of the reporting about what donald trump is apt to do once this
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new senate takes office? >> yes, happy thanksgiving, the former president is known to pick up the phone and talk to a lot of folks in the senate, i think that list has grown, especially with the incoming republican senators, we know they took back the senate, a lot of the ones that are going to be coming into the senate are talking about folks like bernie moreno, and that could make it difficult for john thune who has already had an ic relationship with the former president in the past, if you remember, john thune pushed tim scott to run for president, trump wanted john thune's political career to end when he ran last time, and to have the former president calling your conference, people under you to check in and give directives, is going to be a lot of major
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things that have to get through the senate, a tax deal, government funding, that is where the legislative agenda is going to be decided, it could make it difficult for john thune.>> do you have any reporting on how john thune might be taking on these confirmation hearings and what role he's going to be playing in either trying to whip up the base or convince or allow people to vote their conscience on these more controversial picks? >> i think the default mode right now for republicans on capitol hill is giving a little bit of praise to former president trump, deference to him, i think the only one that was the exception to that rule was matt gaetz, the nomination for attorney general. we talked to republicans in the senate where that confirmation would have been dead on arrival. but i think you are going to see republicans try to understand, like pete hegseth , if he is able to lead the
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defense department, and then you're going to have democrats try to swing as much political mud as possible on all of these nominees to make sure that even if they do get confirmed, they are already politically damaged. >> when mitch mcconnell dealt with donald trump the first time around, it didn't get much done in terms of legislation, he just focused on judges, nominating as many judges, and confirming as many as he possibly could to try to tilt the balance of power across our judicial system much further to the right. what is your expectation for how john thune is going to operate over the next two years? >> it will be fascinating to see john thune operate, i think he will operate largely in the same vein as mitch mcconnell, he will support the president, but also try to protect his members from some of the
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presidents worst impulses. the unifying principle in the first month, they probably have the votes in the house and the senate for both a renewal of the tax package as well as some type of border package. there are numbers around the edges that will have qualms and i think for john thune and trump, that will work out well. just this week, john thune in south dakota said to a local chamber of commerce, it may be the role of the senate to push back on executive overreach, and areas for instance of prosecuting the enemies list or areas of using the military on domestic soil, those are areas where i think you will see john thune express opposition, much like mitch mcconnell did. and what does that mean for the relationship and to the earlier point, as donald trump tried to go to the back members who are loyal maga members, john thune is going to find himself where
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>> as americans across the
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united states gather to celebrate thanksgiving, the cdc is a warning of a surge in some respiratory illnesses this holiday season and we are not talking about covid or the flu.>> as the winter approaches, it is a sound everybody braces for. this year, the cdc says two serious respiratory illnesses are on the rise, whooping cough are up fivefold compared to a year ago, walking pneumonia up 450% since the spring. >> my daughter got sick in september.>> her daughter recovered from walking pneumonia but then her mom got sick.>> i took two antibiotics and steroids and initially improved but then got worse again. >> and that was the red flag that it was time to go to the hospital. noticeable increase. as been a >> we are seeing more severe cases where folks are coming to
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the hospital or coming into our clinic with more wheezing and shortness of breath.>> as for whooping cough, multiple states have seen spikes according to the cdc. >> i'm just wondering why we have this whooping cough?>> patient start with normal cold- like symptoms, then often develop violent coughing, doctors say people should be vigilant when they develop a persistent cough. >> handwashing and staying home when you are sick are all important, but this year it is something to really think about. >> familiar but still important advice to stay healthy this holiday season. >> thank you very much. still to come after the break, a report from southern lebanon, inside a town left uninhabitable by war, what it could foreshadow for the hundreds of thousands of people returning home after this cease-fire.
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for your donations that make my stay here possible. your donation will help support our efforts to end cancer as we know it, for everyone. i owe it all to the american cancer society. call now or go to give.cancer.org to donate today. >> thousands of people displaced in the conflict between israel and hezbollah are now facing uncertain futures, this cease-fire is fragile and if anyone feels safe enough to return home, there might not be that much left to return to. an nbc news investigation found the israeli defense forces, the idf created a zone of widespread destruction along the lebanon southern border. matt bradley has more. >> reporter: that more than
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year-long conflict appears to have ended, when israel's invasion launched in late september, israel called it a limited and targeted operation against hezbollah but, the investigation found the israeli defense forces created a zone of widespread destruction along lebanon's southern border, not only driving people out of their homes but leaving them nothing to return to. on october 16th, israeli forces released dramatic footage of their units detonating explosives in a small village in southern lebanon. the sisters evacuated at the start of the war. they learned of their hometowns destruction on social media.
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>> reporter: the idf spokesperson told nbc news that the goal of the invasion has been to dismantle the military capabilities and address the threat hezbollah poses to its citizens, they claimed to have limited goals for the invasion of southern lebanon but the investigation found that wherever israeli troops have tried, they have left behind massive destruction and desolation. the idf occupied towns demolished them, creating uninhabitable zones along the border with israel. the idf said they were destroying underground tunnels once used by hezbollah. >> reporter: this is what it
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looked like before, it was home to 250 residents and was the site of an ancient shrine. >> reporter: hezbollah began firing missiles in israel a day after hamas attacked israel on october 7th, 2023. the sisters are among 1.4 million lebanese displaced in their homes in exchange of fire over the course of the following year. on september 30th, 2024, the idf announced it would escalate the conflict by invading southern lebanon. at the time it was destroyed, mhaibib was empty. the town was one of dozens they ordered to fully evacuate throughout october.
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the idf captured and occupied mhaibib, enabling the engineering unit to deploy explosives in the town, and this video the soldiers can be seen watching and celebrating the demolition from a safe distance. satellite imagery from before and after the detonation shows little remains of the village of mhaibib . the 2000-year-old shrine in the town was also destroyed. >> reporter: researchers from the university of new york and the university of oregon are using satellite radar to assess the impact of the conflict. since the start of the conflict, they have identified over 12,000 destroyed or damaged buildings. nbc news analyzed this data along with data of idf and
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troop movements and found the area captured along the border, more than 5600 buildings have been damaged or destroyed, 42% of all buildings in this area. in many villages, the destruction is totaled, 86 percent of the buildings in mhaibib have been demolished. satellite images of southern lebanese towns give a fuller picture of how the idf has made them uninhabitable. this october 5th satellite image of yaroun shows armored trucks entering the town, you can see those vehicles adjacent to a raised section of the town and here there are visible signs of bulldozing. by the end of the men's -- month, 62% of the town has been destroyed.
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nbc verified videos posted to social media of idf demolitions in nearly every town the idf occupied in southern lebanon, these videos show the destruction of mosques, large groupings of homes and entire neighborhoods. this demolition took place in a border village called remyeh, 67% of the buildings were destroyed. members of the israeli military and government have created a depopulated buffer zone the idf hasn't said whether this was their goal of the invasion of lebanon.>> in this house, there is storage, vests, helmets, you can see the hand grenades here.>> reporter: in a statement, the idf spokesperson says they don't aim to cause damage to infrastructure that, they have access beneath these
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sites. now, residents have learned there is nothing left to return to. >> reporter: given the scale of israel's destruction in lebanon, if this cease-fire holds, there will be much talk of reconstruction after the 2006 war between israel and hezbollah, the arab gulf states would put up the cash to rebuild southern lebanon but it is unclear if they are going to be up for doing that a second time around. one thing is clear, both the united states and israel seem intent on making sure that iran
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