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your time. chris jansing picks up with more news right now. it is good to be with you. i'm chris jansing reporting from here in new york city. buying power. how the biggest day in retail black friday could prove to be a major economic test post-election. will americans spend big today, especially with the looming threat of higher prices under trump's promised tariffs. why some stores are already advertising to buy now before prices go up. and holding the dotted line. with a ceasefire deal between israel and hezbollah appearing to hold, families of hostages in gaza see a potential opening, pushing to bring their loved ones back home. the marathon meetings with biden and trump's teams. plus, millions of folks across the country hitting the road on one the busiest travel days of the year.
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as you pack your bags and say your post-turkey goods byes, when experts say is the best time to hit the road. lots to get to on this day after thanksgiving. we begin with a major economic test. post-election will inflation weary americans buy and buy big? black friday weekend is already underway, and retailers are feeling the pressure with fewer days between thanksgiving and christmas this year. you know, we had a very late thanksgiving. and the biggest buying season of any year comes this time under trump's threat of tariffs. the white house -- "the wall street journal" reports those threats are being used by some retailers to try to motivate shoppers, warning them to buy now before tariffs bring higher prices. so will they buy? courtney regan is reporting from westfield garden state shopping center in new jersey. >> this is retail's biggest day of the year. how are stores gearing up for
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what could come next? >> reporter: retailers are listening as president-elect donald trump talks about increasing tariffs on products made from china and levying tariffs on products from mexico and canada. trump says it's the country we are bufrom that pays the tariff. goods once they are brought to u.s. shores that end up paying that tariff which is then often ssed along to the consumer in the form of higher prices at the point of purchase. i have been talking to large retailers over recent weeks about the state of the industry, about holiday and of course about the potential for increased or new tariffs. here's what some of them to say. walmart's chief financial officer told me, quote, we have been living under a tariff environment for seven years. we are pretty familiar with it. tariffs, though are inflationary for customers, so we want to work with suppliers to do what we can for our own private label
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assortment to try to bring down the prices. the good news for walmart consumers is that more than two-thirds of what the retail sells is either grown, made or aaccept bld here in the united states. so it would not be subject to the proposed tariffs at this point. best bye's ceo is in a bit of a different situation. 60% of that retailer's cost of goods sold are made in china. the so those discussions as you can imagine are on going with the suppliers. there is only so much they can do. it's the manufacturers of those goods, the likes of, say, samsung, not best buy that would pay those tariffs when the gods come in. so that also adds more to the supply chain. and democratic's sporting good, the executive chairman reiterated what walmart said. he is paying attention. luckily for them, he says the exposure to goods made in china
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and mexico is relatively insignificant. at least at this point. overall, retailers are making contingency plans where they can. it should be noted that retailers have been diversifying away from china for quite some time before president trump's first term in office because it simply has started to become more expensive to manufacture there, and then when president trump increased those levies on goods from china, some of them, that's when retailers really upped the ante. of this is just a potential, it is not yet in place. we don't know which product categories and what level they may be tariffed. it's safe to say retailers are listening, paying attention and making plans now. back to you. >> thank you for that a let me bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell, also republican strategist and former doug burgum spokesman lancing trover and senior advisor and former
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campaign manager for julio castro. we know campaigns on tariffs, he promised more. is there any sense he would deviate from that plan? >> reporter: well, you are asking about donald trump. so it is certainly possible that he could change his mind or have a different approach. tariffs have been a core part of his economic view. he believes they are a tool of leverage. and he has talked about tariffs before he is even in office. weeks before. and some of his associates have referred to his conversations with world leaders where tariffs have come up and pointed out how quickly other world leaders, justin trudeau of canada, president sheinbaum of mexico who have been responding, they say look to that as a way to see donald trump uses the discussion of tariffs to engage other leaders before he has any power
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to levy those taxes. so will it be a practical real world reality or had it be a part of his negotiating style? that's what we will see going forward. president biden for his part was asked by the reporters traveling with him yesterday making a stop related to the holiday about tariffs, and he pointed out that with friends like mexico and canada, who share our borders, who are our neighbors, that he hopes he rethinks that. when it comes to china, obviously, a very different kind of relationship, but one where president biden says he and president xi work today have stability and predictability in a very competitive adversarial relationship. sov concern there. so the current president seemed to be, out going pretty voicing caution, hoping that donald trump will think it through. we will see how that plays out since it's such a core piece of what donald trump says he wants to do when in office. >> so, lance, we are already seeing the brands, there are
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stores that are marketing the idea buy now because, frankly, prices might go up. "wall street journal" flagging a bunch of them, including one store that had a post on facebook that says, pre-tariff sale, this is not a drill. urging customers to order now before prices -- and this is their quote -- double. could this backfire for donald trump? >> i mean, i feel like after november 5th democrats and folks out there would realize that fear mongering with the public and donald trump and what may or may not happen didn't work out well for them. it's unfortunate to me to see the retailers getting in on the act right now. scaring the public into big ten pairs of sneakers as if the next plague is coming in january. the guy is not even in office yet. come on. >> this is what he is saying, right? >> it's a proposal. i don't think people can underestimate americans' resolve when it comes to allowing donald trump to tackle the border issue, the fentanyl issue and tackle some of these issues.
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give him time to come into -- >> i don't think there is -- i think you are right about that. i think he was elected to do that. that doesn't is mean that they understand all of the implications of everything he is going to say he -- >> there has never been -- i have never seen a presidential candidate more explicit with the voters than donald trump was the last several months of this year, and they went out and voted for him in droves and put him back in office. i think the voters are clear-eyed. they will give him leeway. we need to stop the fear-mongering. the democrats talk all the time about price-gouging by companies. of this is akin to that. scaring people before the holidays when something that hasn't even happened yet. everybody needs to take a deep breath. remember donald trump has a lot of tools for when it comes to dealing with these issues. give him time and let him do his thing. >> i don't know if this store owner was a republican or a democrat, to be fair. he says it's working, people are buying you have. of course, they want buy money.
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come on. what are these folks doing? stop trying to scare people to buy stuff before the holidays when we don't know what will happen come january to the. >> president biden had his own thoughts about donald trump's proposed tariff plan. let me play that. >> hoip he rethinks it. i think it's a counterproductive thing to do. one of the things, we have a -- we have an unusual situation in america. we are surrounded by the pacific ocean, atlantic ocean and two allies, mexico and canada. ant the last thing we need to do is screw up both relationships. >> so the fact is that canada is already saying they are examining possible retaliatory tariffs. a number of the companies that "the wall street journal," not exactly a liberal newspaper, talked to said that they are
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making contingency plans. if prices go up, they need to have a plan in place for what they are going to do about it. but what do you think about this move, and could it be a problem for donald trump, do you think, or, you know, as lance argues, this is what the american people hired him to do. >> i think that there are people voted for donald trump because there was something in the message that resonated. i don't think that every voter was doing that with a complete understanding of what that was really -- that's really going to mean. so i think we will see people who are having this moment of, wait a minute, you know, he explicitly misled people about what tariffs meant. he said it's going to be the other country paying for them. that's not true. it is going to be -- it is going to be same folks that voted for donald trump who were saying that they did it because they are concerned about the price of groceries, who are going to be paying more every time they go shopping. and i think that -- i do.
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i mean, i think that's something that people will realize and that's a really unfortunate situation because, again, a president should be able to say, i have a mandate. i am doing this because this is what people elected me to do. when someone is this openly misleading, you will income a situation where people elected him to do something with an understanding it would look very, very different from how it's going to look. honestly, i am concerned about the fear-mongering that people are dealing with right now. but i would say i would add to that fear-mongering things like every time elon musk tweets that he wants to delete an agency, there are real humans on the other side of pronouncements like that. those are people's jobs. people relying on pensions because of their federal service, right. so every time there is threat of we can get rid of federal agencies, get rid of -- it's saying we can get rid of federal workers. those are real people and that's fear-mongering that's happening that is going to impact our
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people that are shopping today and also interacting with every piece of our economy because they don't know if they have job security. so that's the kind of -- i think -- i think the point is well taken we don't want fear-mongering, don't want to scare people into doing things, but that also needs to come from the president-elect to stop threatening people's jobs with clearly without a real plan as to what is going to happen for those real people and those real families. >> as you know, in the case of mexico, this is donald trump's saying, look, we want you to stop allowing illegals to come into our country. you need to stop it on your side of the border or it's that. donald trump suggested yesterday, day before, trying to keep it straight, after the phone call suggesting she agreed, yeah, we're gonna do that. she basically said, look, what i said was we have already been working to stop the caravans and it's working.
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not unusual necessarily for two leaders to present different cases because, frank think, they are playing to a domestic audience, right? do you think that these threats are more of a strategic move, trump will back off if he feels -- he senses some movement or can declare a win? >> i think mexico should take january 20th very seriously because it is an entirely new administration from what they have been dealing with. the president of mexico, she can't even decide how she wants to handle the cartels and deal with them, whether to give hem hugs or kisses ordeal with them with bullets. she can't figure that out. donald trump on this issue, let's remember the number two issue in this country was immigration and dealing with in border and he led on that issue by double digits throughout the entire campaign. >> but he didn't fix it in his first term. the wall didn't go up. >> he got a lot done. remember how we got to point -- he had a lot of executive orders in place that were slowing the
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flow of illegals into the country. it was joe biden and kamala harris who came dm and undid all of those, which led to 10, 12 million illegal immigrants coming into the country. i don't think you can underestimate americans' resolve on this issue, particularly on the fentanyl epidemic. i remember being out on the campaign trail with doug burgum and parents who lost children to this fentanyl, it is devastating for families out there. it is a real problem. and so i think the american public is again going to give him a lot of leeway on this topic. if i were the president of mexico, i would get it, she needs to bluster, stand up for what she wants to do, but again january 20th's a big day, a total changes. she should come with solutions rather than the blustering she has been doing. >> there may be some irony here because trump's proposed tariffs could potentially violate the u.s., mexico, canada agreement that was put in place during his first administration. and so there are a lot of folks saying, including jessica
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levinson, a law professor at loyola, there could be legal challenges to this. this could also end up, oh, we are having a reappearance by your cat. i love that. a frequent guest on "chris jansing reports." remind me of your cat's name? >> chris pen. >> okay. we want to acknowledge all guests on the show. back to the legal challenges. we have to see the details, rate? we don't have the specific details of what donald trump auto do. would it surprise you if tariffs became a long, drawn-out legal fight? >> that would not surprise me at all. i do think that so much of what has been said on the campaign trail is going to have to stand up to a number of legal challenges. i mean, whether this 14 if going to comply with the previous agreement that trump himself was art of putting into place,
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whether, you know, his actions around -- like, you know, threats of mass deportation, obviously, people are already planning on taking legal action around those things. i mean, this is going to be, i think, a repeat of his first term when he immediately came into office with a number of executive orders, but many of them did not stand up to legal scrutiny. and so again i think that there is -- there's -- there's a lot of -- there's a lot being said. there is a lot of bluster going on now. we need to see how this is gonna actually play out once it has to stand up to the legality of what he is actue to do. >> kelly, lance, maya, and a go guest cameo by crispen, thank you. in 90 seconds, we are in beirut day after israel and hezbollah accuse each other of violating a ceasefire agreement. is that peace deal still in place? ["the glory of love" plays]
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families of the hostages held in gaza now see a new opening after the ceasefire in lebanon holding marathon sessions with both the biden administration and trump transition team pushing for a deal to bring their loved ones home. nbc's matt bradley is in beirut. and retired lieutenant general
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jeff, deputy commander of u.s. european command. matt, where we are so far. we saw in the first couple of days, and that's pretty much where we are, that this ceasefire seemed to be holding except for a few little things here and there, but where are we right now? what's the latest from lebanon? >> reporter: yeah, the israelis said they are continuing to launch a couple of isolated attacks into lebanon against what they say are hezbollah targets and of course we have been seeing yesterday complaints from both sides saying the ceasefire was violated. today for the first time we heard from the successor to hassan nasrallah, who was killed here two months ago in a huge israeli bombardment, he spoke for the first time since we had this ceasefire, which came into play about two days ago. he said that this was -- he said essentially that electoral vote was victorious, defeated the israelis simply by surviving and said that this victory for hezbollah was bigger than the
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victory that hezbollah notched back in 2006 when there was that month-long sustained fight and another ground incursion by the israelis. that was kind of the first format of this war back nearly 20 year ago. and on the ceasefire in the past couple of days, it's modelled after the united nations resolution that ended that 2006 conflict. so he had a lot to say about how victorious hezbollah was, about how well they did, impressed the world with their ferocity. at the same time when we are walking around lebanon and especially right off my right shoulder there, the focal point of so many of these israeli attacks, it's a hezbollah stronghold south of the city, there has been massive devastation. if you go further south, which we haven't yet, the israelis just laid that region to waste. even though the head of hezbollah said that one of the reasons why hezbollah was so victorious was because all sides in lebanese society came
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together to support what they dahl the resistance, hezbollah. it's very clear that not everybody in this country, quite a few people in this country really resent the way hezbollah brought this nation to war and caused just a massive crisis of displacement that really displaced more than a million people from all over the career and just put a huge strain on the limited governmental resources this country has five careers into a crippling economic crisis. so we heard this victorious language. but it's unclear whether or not the people of lebanon are really in the mood to celebrate or believe this line that this peace treaty was a mark of victory. >> general, what will you be watching for in the coming days and weeks to give us an indication of the likelihood this could continue, the ceasefire could largely hold? >> yes, chris, good to be with you today. first of all, i am cautiously
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optimistic that this ceasefire will maintain. and here's why. you have a militia proxy group, not a state actor, that has gone into a deal with a state meaning israel. and history tells us when it comes to these militia groups ensuring that they maintain their side of the deal, it probably will not happen. and so they are at liberty to do whatever the heck they want because they are non-state actors. the second thing is the leadership of hezbollah has been decimated by israel. and so you have a lot of these small soldiers or militia groups out there that may or have not gotten the word that this ceasefire is in place, and they may want to act themselves instead of the hierarchy of the militia group meaning hezbollah.
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and so we will have to see whether this holds. but i don't see this thing really holding as far as i look at things. >> so do you think that the hopes that the hostage families, obviously, have and have been looking for, they look and hope for an opening at any point is unlikely? something will open up here? >> well, obviously, it is in the best interests of israel for this ceasefire agreement to hold. they have to put the priorities back on the gaza strip, back on eliminating hamas, and back to trying to get a hostage negotiation so we can bring the hostages home. and so for the past few months israel has been fighting on several fronts. so it seems to me that iran, they have toned down their rhetoric. we know they do not want an all-out war with israel.
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if we can hold hezbollah here, the idf can hold hezbollah and get the focus back on hamas, success will be releasing the hostages and also completing the destruction of hamas so we can bring back some type of normalcy in the gaza strip. >> let me ask you finally, is hamas' position different today than, say, a few days ago when hezbollah agreed to a truce? >> well, we have to understand hamas is finding itself completely isolated at this point. and so very low support from iran. now that hezbollah has been mated, very little support from hezbollah. at the houthis in the south, they tamped down their rhetoric and they are not supporting as much as we saw them supporting at the beginning of this war. and so hamas is isolated right now.
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and as time for hamas to realize that the best that they can achieve here is getting a ceasefire agreement with israel. >> matt bradley and lieutenant general steph twitty, thank you. and coming up, millions hit the road on one of the busiest travel days of the year. the best and worst times to get going and the wintry conditions you could run into. you're watching msnbc. [music playing] tiffany: my daughter is mila. she is 19 months old. she is a little ray of sunshine, one of the happiest babies you'll probably ever meet. all: yay mila: [giggling] tiffany: children with down syndrome typically have a higher risk for developing
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a wk of record travel coincides with frigid temperatures and a large swath of the country, including south dakota where snowplows are out clearing the roads. brr. a aaa spokesperson told nbc news people should stock up for the cold rides. >> if you are in an area where there is snow or cold weather, have extra blankets in the vehicle, extra water, some flares, flashlight, anything that could potentially help you if you get stuck in travel for a long time. >> nbc's gary is at a rest stop in woodbridge, virginia and angeli las man is hear in studio. what are we expecting from traffic this weekend?
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>> reporter: it's cold out here in virginia as well. but there is good news on the roads. the worst of the travel on the east coast is certainly behind us for today at least. that is expected to pick up on sunday with everybody back to reality and back to work later next week. so that's the deal on the roads. when it comes to the air travel, we will see big concerns, especially with what angie will talk about with the lake-effect snow issues. we are seeing delays in detroit a and chicago. 300 delays nationwide today alone. luckily we are not seeing too many cancellations in part because they have opened up military airspace on the east coast that usually close to commercial flights. this week during the holiday season it's fully opened so people get around the snow by going over the atlantic ocean a little bit, may make the flight long loer, make a more on time departure and arrival there,
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chris. as we are seeing in virginia, things are looking good so far. >> all right, go somewhere where it's warm. thank you for that. angie, we know it will be busy out there. i wonder if the weather will start to let up? what are you seeing? >> some spots, yeah. we have a large part of the country that is seeing quiet skies. we have good news in places that is of course the south, parts of the plains, out west, really nice and quiet conditions even towards the east coast. it's the lake-effect snow showers that are really going to slow things down not just today but the next couple of days. the airports, gary mentioned a couple of spots potential more delays as the day goes on. chicago and detroit. otherwise, from boston to atlanta we are looking good. dallas, los angeles looking good. maybe some showers slowing you down in the orlando area. but i-90 and i-75 are spots that you will see some slower travel because of the snow that start today ramp up and it will be ongoing. the satellite and radar right
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now downwind of those lakes we have already got winter alerts for 6 million people. those likely stay through the weekend in a lot of these spots. we have temperatures in the upper 40s to 50s for the water on those great lakes. so that means this arctic air moving over it creates plenty of moisture to tap into to see snow falling and really substantial amounts downwind of the lake, not just today, but again through the weekend. so as we get through monday some of these totals downwind up to five feet. we will see substantial delays when it comes to road travel, i-90, i-75 in michigan, i-80. all of those locations are likely difficult to travel. heads up if you are heading out today and through the weekend. and that arctic air is spreading for a lot of folks. it's not just the great lakes. look at fargo. 8 degrees. 37 kansas city. 34 cincinnati. low 40s for nashville. that gets farther east as we get into tomorrow, too. gear up for those layers to be needed for any outdoor activities or travel of course
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that you a have. upper 30s for philadelphia, charleston 37, atlanta and memphis in the 50s. low end for this time of year. we are gearing up for a wintry kind of finish to our weekend, chris. this is going to set us up to roll right into december with winter across the board for most. >> you nome, i am looking at the temperatures. i love farg olt. i think it's a very cool city, but not when the real feel temperature is 20 below. >> we can agree on that. >> thank you. up next, with the black friday rush now underway, could inflation affect the cost of your christmas tree this year? we've got a lot of that stuff coming up. we're watching your money here on msnbc. snbc everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. and you have this dream every night? yeah, every night! hmm... i see.
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it is now officially black friday. the biggest in-person shopping day of the year. an estimated 132 million people are expected to hit stores today, according to the national retail federation. they are hoping to entice shoppers offline and into malls and small businesses. research shows shoppers are three times more likely to buy on impulse in a physical store than they are online. joining us now nbc's priscilla thompson from memorial city mall in houston and contessa brewer in upstate new york with lots of christmas trees behind her. we will get to that. priscilla, what are shoppers telling you about how they are approaching black friday? you need a strategy, right?
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>> reporter: yeah, chris. we have been hearing from interesting things here, as the holiday music is blasting, santa is in his chair and the black friday shoppers are out. but according adobe analytics, nearly nine shopping online yesterday on thanksgiving day when the stores were closed was up nearly 9% year over year. so what we're encountering talking to lot of the shoppers here in person is they have already done a ton of shopping online but still wanted to come out in store to check out if there were any deals they were missing and of course get in on the black friday excitement and fun. take a listen. >> half of it is a nostalgia for me. just going to the mall. i did it growing up with my parents. we would come thanksgiving night for black friday. so it's i think one of the things that draws me back, the nostalgia of it, i guess. >> yeah, it's fun to be here, but there are definitely easier ways to find deals online than coming into stores.
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>> reporter: and we know some stores like target were going exclusive deals only in store. a lo of these deals you could find online or in store. but i will tell you if you are shopping today, tvs are the thing to buy. apparently that's the thing you will get the best deal on according to adobe analytics. tomorrow it will be consumers and then electronics and apparel. if you buy something and see on cyber monday that the price has dropped lower, okay to return an item and buy it again at the lowest price you can find in my personal opinion. chris. >> okay. priscilla's tips. as i'm watching, this is literally five seconds in time, a lot of people in the mall, but not a lot seem to be carrying bags. do people seem to be buying as you have been there all day? >> reporter: yeah, it's a mix. a lot of people seem to be browsing and enjoying, looking to pick up anything, but not really with a plan in
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particular. there are other folks that you will see with the big bags, double fisting the double bags of different goodies. so i think it depends on the shopper. >> okay. contessa, for a lot of folks it's not about the mall on the day after thanksgiving. it's get your house decorated, get the tree. how are prices, availability, what are you seeing and hearing out there? >> reporter: well, the national association of christmas tree grower, which is part of the usda, said that they surveyed growers and 60% said they are holding the wholesale prices. and i came up here, i am two hours north of new york city at adams fair acre farms. i said, how are pricing looking up here? they said we have held them where they were last year in spite of the northeast drought which got a lot of attention. that hit seedlings, not mature trees. so they made it to market. hurricane helene hit north carolina hard.
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that's the second biggest state for producing christmas trees, especially the fraser firs. they got them mostly to market as well. the concern for the growers are consumers going to pull back on sending this year. to answer that question, i have katrina and her daughter chloe. i stopped you guys out looking at christmas trees. i understand you are the decider of the christmas trees. what do you look for? >> them short enough for me to be able to reach and wide enough for me to put lots of ornaments on them. >> reporter: bus price factor into your decision at all? >> i don't know. >> reporter: i am going to say not so much. what about you, mom? >> absolutely, it does. and i considered this might be the year we would have to switch to an artificial tree. i have was pleasantly surprised we could still support adams. >> reporter: is it as much about the experience as the live tree?
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>> it's important to continue this tradition with her. usually we do it black friday. we were worried the weather might push it off. but it came together perfect. >> reporter: so great to see you. happy thanksgiving. happy holidays, girls. we have seen some snowflakes out here, chris, but nothing that is stopping the christmas tree shopping and the other big draw is that santa is on the other side of those doors. a lot of people coming with fancy christmas outfits on ready to do that. and the trump tariffs are grabbing a lot of headlines. canadian growers don't pay any duties on trees now. next year, if trump goes through with the tariffs as promised, that could hit the christmas tree growers in canada really hard. >> i am investigative reporter so i could point out you said you have santa with you. do you still have your guests? >> reporter: yes. >> how are they getting the tree
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home? they have a truck? >> reporter: chloe, are you going to sit on top of your car and actually hold the christmas tree as you get it home? >> no, i don't think so. >> no. >> reporter: okay. >> adams is full service here. they tie it on the car for you. we have never had in i problems in the past. >> reporter: not only that. they have a burn barrel over here. they have a fire going. if you are taking a long time to make up your mind, you can stand and warm your hands over the fire. >> sounds amazing. i don't know about you, but i have known to drag my tree down the streets of manhattan, just, you know, a sign of the season. >> in new york city that's a common sight. getting a taxi driver to pull over,is-i want to put a tree on top of your taxi. >> there is a live christmas tree stand every couple of blocks. put it on your shoulder and take it home. happy shopping on this good friday. and speaking of, speaking of, how people are spending their
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money, a new blockbuster movie is expected to be one of thanksgiving's biggest hits since the pandemic. "moana 2," after a $57.5 million opening day, could hit 120 to $150 million on its own. with the help of other hits like "wicked" and "gladiator ii," cnbc reports that box office analysts believe the five-day thanksgiving weekend running from wednesday to sunday should easily clear $200 million in ticket sales and could even become the second or third highest thanksgiving period in cinematic history. up next, there is good news. a fourth generation nall town small business gained an international following. you are watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. hing "ch reports" only on msnbc
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two men heading to work down a trail spotted him and brought him to safety. he is now in the hospital. he says he survived by building a shelter in a dried out creek bed and cutting up his sleeping bag to wrap around his legs for warmth. remarkable. and now to new proof that the old ways can still work. hard to imagine this in 2024, but a small town iowa shoe store that has no social media footprint does have customers from all 50 states and around the world. its workers, their families, too, pulling shift from generation to generation to generation. kare 11 has the story. >> reporter: you have heard the stories from rural america of struggling stores leaving small town main streets. this is not one of those. >> this machine probably was built in about 1930s, i would
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guess. >> reporter: tim weaver is coaxing a depression era sewing machine towards a second century of shoe repair is not the reason we are in buffalo center, iowa, population 850. what brought us here are the feet that brought this. >> coming up on 100 years next year. >> reporter: not the only significant number. >> 13,000. >> reporter: 13,000 pairs of new shoes stacked from the floor. >> it goes and goes. >> reporter: shoes filling the original store and a series of additions. >> we are a little full. >> reporter: 15 pairs of shoes for every man, woman and child in town. >> 16 extra wide. >> reporter: which tim's wife will tell you is a bit misleading. >> those are people who come here. >> shoes in every state. >> reporter: despite this. >> never had a website. word of mouth and people coming. >> reporter: a business model
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tim's father adopted 74 years ago. >> probably 30 ago that picture. >> reporter: he coo keeps keeps of his dad nearby. and another reminder even closer. >> 94 now. comes to work with me every day. >> stubbornness. >> reporter: leroy was 19. >> tad weaver. >> reporter: when his father died of cancer leaving leroy to take over the store his dad founded in 1925. if you're keeping tabs, that's three generations. >> i am the fourth generation and i'm colin weaver. >> reporter: colin and his brother tanner. >> this is my thing. >> reporter: and their grandma, caroline. >> i rip out zippers. there isn't people that do this anyway. we live in a throwaway country. not here. no. you save the unsavable. >> reporter: not unlike weaver. the kind of small town store that shouldn't have survived, yet thrives.
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>> not too many people can say that. it's an honor. >> it's something special. tell you that. >> keep the generations going. >> reporter: in small towns across america businesses come and too often go. but how appropriate the strong fabric of buffalo center depends on weavers. >> yes. >> reporter: buffalo center, iowa. >> something special indeed. coming up, the latest on the series of thanksgiving bomb threats against lawmakers. stay close. more coverage still to come right after this. than tylenol rapid release gels. ♪♪ also from advil, advil targeted relief, the only topical with 4 powerful pain fighting ingredients that start working on contact and lasts up to 8 hours.
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you for the second hour of chris jansing reports. fake threats with real consequences for the investigations now underway for bomb threats made against connecticut lawmakers on thanksgiving morning. we will dive into the legal consequences for those responsible in the latest round . delays, delays and more delays. how challenges are impacting the post-thanksgiving rush home. what you need to know to handle the airport disruptions. the heart of paris reborn. french president officially the first visitor at the newly rebuilt notre dame cathedral, five years after the structure went up in flames. we will get an inside look after the once in a century restoration. is that gorgeous? a frightening round of bomb threats. this time, aimed directly at congrats connecticut's congressional delegation. the entire delegation all democrats including senator chris murphy were targeted on
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thanksgiving day with threats of violence against both them and their families. police say that they found no evidence of explosives at any of the lawmakers homes and investigations are ongoing. just a day after president elect trump's cabinet and administration pics faced similar threats against them, including twice per ambassador to the u.n. elise stefanik is picked to run epa and former congressman matt gates. joining me is by nobles, former u.s. attorney and professor at the alabama law school and cohost of sister-in-law podcast and former florida republican congressman david. good to see all of you. what more can you tell us about the threats made against connecticut lawmakers? >> they followed the same pattern of series of threats that we saw against the pics by donald trump to his new candidate. what is unique about this is
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that while those were all republicans being targeted by the swatting incidents, these are democrats. senator chris murphy and all five members of the house delegation are from connecticut part of these threats, including congresswoman rosie delauro who is the ranking member of the powerful appropriations committee. police responded to their homes and discovered that there was no threat and they were thankful for the swift response from law enforcement and their families were safe. this is something becoming an increasing problem for lawmakers and public figures connected to politics. so much so that the u.s. capitol police have sent out a notice for two members of congress to warn them about the rise in the incidence and telling them to be vigilant when they get threats and to make sure that the capital police and local law enforcement are made known of it right away. it is important to point out that police said in the snow to
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members of congress that there does not appear to be any real threat that this is more of a harassment campaign by the people who are behind it, but much like the situation with donald trump's nominees, they do seem to be coordinated, which means they could be coming from one individual with two separate incidents from two separate individuals, but a pattern where police and law enforcement believed that they could all be connected. >> thank you for that. we know that police have to respond to every threat against a member of congress, because you never know when one of these could be genuine. if they can be tracked down, experts have said that chances are good. what charges could they face? >> they are very good. i used to do these cases as a prosecutor, because there are periodical waves often directed against schools or public buildings. there is a statute that makes it a crime to call in a hoax
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bomb threat, as long as it's one that could be reasonably believed. the penalty for that is five years in custody. the real problem beyond the upset to the families of the members of congress is the dislocation of resources and it appears that the threats were made to police departments, local departments on holiday forcing them to respond and divert resources. the real issue is that in hoax threats, you never know where there might be a real one. law enforcement has to take every incident with real seriousness and this is a real problem. we can look to fbi to put all of their resources along with states and locals into identifying whoever is responsible in commencing prosecutions. >> would you expect that if they track down folks responsible for this that there will be a very forceful prosecution trying to get a strong sentence as you say? up to five years, which can serve as a deterrent, because
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right now the number of incidents are only increasing. >> absolutely. that is the right point to make. as soon as they identify subjects in the situation, there will be forceful prosecutions in order to let people know that you cannot do this. it's not for nothing to pick up the phone or send an email that there is a bomb. in this case, and in one case there was a pipe bomb, so a very powerful type of device that would go off in member of congress his mailbox. deterrence brought as quickly as possible. >> these follow a summer that saw two assassination attempts against donald trump and a lot of these threats as just pointed out, it goes to the families, too. a lot of folks have said, i'm okay, but when it comes to threatening a spouse, parent or child, it becomes a different
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thing. i wonder if this could have a chilling effect on public service. as someone in this position, it has become more unpleasant at best and more dangerous. >> another way to put it, but it is a terrible job. in full disclosure, i have been a victim of swatting, my family has walked out of office and a victim of threat. i never considered owning a firearm until i was a member of congress and receiving threats. here is the difference between then and now. then, it was often threats. what we are seeing now is presumably domestic threats. we don't know if there will be actors behind some swatting. a couple of things come into play. first, these are hard to track. using voice over ip and other technologies, which is home with the connecticut delegation and others. they have multiple victims at the same time. members of congress or whoever the intended target is, cannot simply say that the police
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dutchmen don't worry and everything was fine. when the police received a call, they have to fully investigate, checked the house and it creates a very dangerous moment. your point of a chilling effect is critical. most of these seem to be nuisance attacks, however it does cross the line at some point. at some point, are you willing to put your family at risk? >> some have had to be removed from their homes. >> when we were victims of a foreign attack, my wife and i online, then islamic website that was saying, here is the location of two individuals. does not have an impact on what we thought of public service? throw in kids and the other. the mostrtant thg that could happen is to bring these people to justice in a very public way and aggressively prosecute them and sentence. >> it is one thing that if they are domestic, but if what they
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are foreign actors but how does that change the equation? >> in either case, you can prosecute. if these threats emanate from a country where we don't have an extradition treaty with, it will be difficult to actually lay hands on those folks and bring them to justice. of course, the government has other tools at its disposal if they threats to come from foreign countries. i would expect that we will see a serious response, whether it is domestic or foreign threat. this looks at the juncture because of the identity of targets and timing of threats as though it will be something domestically based. as ryan's reporting points out, the fbi has not identified a subject or subjects. >> you have the words being used out there ready have the president-elect who has talked about retribution. elon musk is suggesting that
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one of the witnesses for the trump impeachment will pay the appropriate penalty. how much do you think the rhetoric fuels some of the stuff? the election is over to turn down the heat. >> the divisive rhetoric is everything. leaders have the ability for impulses or a night impulses and a lot of people engaging in this through their own instability or to a cause are engaging in threatening behaviors. i think what will be interesting is that we went through this for the four years where we are about to go through it again. jonathan back home in south dakota this week said, perhaps it is to push back on executive overreach. what happens if donald trump moves to prosecute an enemies list or e military on domestic soil? do we see republicans and senate pushback?
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is this very different from the first term? do all republicans fall in line with the words of elon musk and donald trump when it comes to retribution? this is a dangerous chapter. there is no whitewashing over the threats we face. >> do you think it impacts the way that members of congress look at this? i don't know if this happened to you, but if it does, how could it not for some sort of re-examination of where we are as a country? >> i think there are some inverse incentives here. it should create a calling to say that we have to improve public life. at the same time there is the impulse to keep your job, because i have to keep my mouth quiet. i do think that the greatest concern is the discouragement in public office. why would you put your family through the environment that has now been created? >> is not an illegitimate question.
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>> this environment was greater with the rise of trumpism. this is not a world we are living in. >> former congressman david, you are here and will stick around for a bit, so thanks for that. coming up in 90 seconds, how travel rush is looking as millions head home for the thanksgiving holiday. tips from an expert on what to do if your flight gets canceled. s canceled. ur dishes up to 100% clean, even in an older dishwasher? try cascade platinum plus. for sparkling clean dishes even on the toughest jobs. just scrape, load and you're done. switch to cascade platinum plus. for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ask your doctor about farxiga.
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i am just updating this from flight aware. total delays today, can this be right? 14,000 across the world. in the united states in two or back from, 1431 flights have been delayed with a total cancellation into or out of the united states, 32. we know we are in a rush. folks tried to get home from the thanksgiving holiday. nbc stephanie gosk is reporting from new york airports. when will return trouble hit the peak? >> reporter: it's calm here at newark international airport, but consider this the eye of the thanksgiving travel storm if thanksgiving travel is like the hurricane. today, it is really quiet with very few lines. all of that is going to change this weekend when the hurricane force travel winds come roaring back.
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in parts of western and central new york, thanksgiving brought heavy snow and cold lake effect weather. the governor staging more than 100 national guard members to respond to the storm. 3 to 4 feet of snow accumulation is possible while often an easier way to go. >> you can relax, suite sleep and it's a comfy chair versus being on a plane. >> reporter: some wait till last minute to trouble were grateful for quiet roads and few firelight delays. >> it was actually really nice. >> reporter: lines moving smoothly in normally busy airports like atlanta, l.a. international. >> it was the smoothest experience i have had at l.a.x. it was crazy. >> reporter: thinking workers for their efforts over the holidays. >> this has been a busy year in the aviation sector. >> reporter: the rush is expected on sunday evening when tsa is preparing to screen up to 3 million passengers. plan for extra traffic on the way to
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the airport, as well. >> the longer you wait to leave on sunday, the worse the traffic will be. >> reporter: one of the issues around the country is the air traffic controller shortage, which has been pronounced here at international where united has its hub in the newark city area, which has created flight delays and it's okay for the moment, but the problem could come back this weekend. back to you. >> thank you for that. joining me is the managing editor. it's not too bad today. if i paid attention to the forecast, which i did in the last hour, it could get dicey in the coming couple of days. if you are unlucky enough or in the wrong place geographically that your flight is canceled, what do you do and what is the most efficient way to get home? >> knowledge is power. you want to make sure that you prepared yourself. have a backup plan.
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no other airlines are flying the route you want to fly, so if you know that a major storm is coming and you are flying out of newark, you white might want to book ahead of the storm. make sure you have the airline app installed. a lot of people don't have this and that is how you can get rebooked quickly sometimes. when a flight gets canceled, you want to use every tool in the toolbox. flights are full during the holidays, so everyone else on the canceled flight to get on the next available flight, so run to the counter to get rebooked with a ticket agent. call on the one 800 number, get on social media and ping the airline directly, then try to rebook in the app. i will ask you to multitask in line, but sometimes that's the only way you will get through. you are the one who will get rebooked. >> i literally did that last christmas. i had a phone to my ear and a
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phone that i was typing on. i had been standing in line and i was still having christmas dinner at the gas station store. that's okay. it is. they are packed. nowadays, if it is a weather delay, are you entitled to compensation? with they put you at a hotel if n at no cost? >> there is no legal requirement for them to do that. the only legal requirement and the biden administration has been good about pushing protections for word, but they don't give you compensation in the event of delays or cancellations. they will refund you and refund you quickly if you don't end up taking another flight. if you decide to accept accommodation and go on a flight four hours later, they are not entitled to anything. they have done a good job of helping the passengers when they can and giving hotel rooms, meal vouchers the
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department of transportation has a handy dashboard that tells you which airlines give you which things, but the truth is that in a huge snarl, the best option will be to rebook yourself and get compensated later. that is what happened with the southwest meltdown and the crowd strike meltdown. they compensated passengers who kept receipts and track of their expenses, because they were not able to talk to passengers when everything is going wrong. >> it can be a disaster and it's beyond. let's look at the positive side. there are people who have been saving money and want to take break. if you want to fly for christmas or new year's, is there any way at this late date to get a bargain? >> this is where points and miles can save the day. they will go for this when cash fares are high. if you have not booked your flights for christmas, don't
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wait any longer, because we are past the perfect time. from here on out, everything will get more expensive. there are some deals out there if you are willing to wait weeks and trouble in january or february when business travel is down and i have seen a ton of black friday flight deals today from flights to europe for under $500, so the deals are out there and you have to be more advanced planning. if you really want to bargain for a future trip, look for the spring break trips now and set a google flyover and get ready for spring to break. >> it's always good to have you on the program. thank you and happy holidays. coming up next, brand-new escalations in the middle east. details on clashes inside syria after this. you are watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc.
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new volatility in the middle east as the syrian military crew lashed clashed in the second largest city. there blowup two car bombs and witnesses described gunfights and missile exchanges forcing people to flee homes. matt bradley is following the story for us. these insurgents captured several villages on the way to aleppo in a surprise attack launched yesterday. tell us the latest on what's happening. >> reporter: that's right. since wednesday, we heard that n.l. islamist group backed by several turkish back groups are now caught the syrian army.
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dozens of towns outside of aleppo and managed to peers into the city itself, which is the second-largest. this was a surprising event. back since 2020 when there was a peace treaty that resolved a lot of fighting that has been raging in syria ever since the war broke out back in 2011 with the arab spring, we haven't seen that much fighting and we haven't seen that much death. more than 200 people have been killed then the past two days of fighting in and around aleppo. this has been putting the iranian and russian backed regime on notice and it seemed as though the war had not been ever fully resolved and it looks as though cited dramatically. it is hard to know exactly what happened and why this particular date initiative was chosen, but it does look as though we are seeing a reverberation from the conflict in lebanon has villa, which is
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the dominant back force in the region that has dealt pretty heavy blows by israelis over the past two months and they have now signed a peace treaty with israel he's ending conflict here. they are much weaker than they used to be and the iranian regime is much weaker, which i mentioned before backs of the regime and it looks as though the coincidence is impossible to deny. its allies are backed by the turks and decided that around on the back but and has villa for several years with only a couple of years ago on the side and they decided that now is time the attack. this is the moment given the weakness and therefore the weakness of the regime, so this looks like once again where we are seeing all of these different conflicts throughout the middle east and they are informing and what they each other. this is another example of that. >> thank you. coming up from the sunshine state to pennsylvania out of new
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wants in his administration. they include chief of staff stu z wiles and other pics for attorney general, cdc director, national security advisor and marco rubio who is expected confirmation of secretary of state means another floridian. governor ron desantis will get to name his replacement in the senate. that has touched a behind-the- scenes drama for who will replace him. the suggestion that it might be trump's daughter-in-law and current rnc court co-chair laura trump who has touched both charges of nepotism and behind the scenes wrangling. a group that has as political puts it, the potential to bring much more than florida vibes to the country and could reshape the country in the image of the sunshine state. joining us is nbc's kelly o'donnell from west palm beach florida and back with me is former republican congressman of florida, david jolly. kelly, what should we take away from how he is choosing his cabinet?
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>> we certainly see that reflected in many of the elections is loyalty to donald trump and the movement that has certainly been part of it. in some instances, you see these people have been around term for some period of years. others were allies from the first-term and others became political partners in the fight over the 2020 election and in the time since. you get some of that. clearly, donald trump is a magnet for florida and relocated here formally and when he ran in 2016, he was a resident of new york and changed that along the way. his family members relocated to florida, as well and completely changing the identity of the family being new york-based to being florida-based. some supporters followed along, as well. there is a sense that there is a certain florida sensibility reflected in how he is choosing some names. in the case like pam who he put forward for attorney general,
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she was not the first choice she happened to be a two-time florida attorney general. he went to her after matt gates withdrew and we saw how she had been a partner in some roles during the first-term and very involved in the movement heard loyalty still applies and it is part coincidence and perhaps the attraction of spending time around donald trump that there is a florida backdrop to some of this. on the plans for senate seat, i do recall that laura trump was originally from north carolina and there was talk in the last several years about her running for a seat there, which did not materialize and donald trump installed her as a co-chair of the republican national committee where she worked in the 2024 cycle, so she built of credentials there. when it comes to donald trump who approaches government like
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a family business, we saw how he his daughter and son-in-law on staff where there were charges of nepotism at that time, too, but he went ahead with that, because those with interested people around him. comfort and loyalty are part of the mix. >> thank you for that. so much to talk about about your home state. >> oh my word. >> she and yvonne laura trump, so let me ask you about that. is there pressure on the governor? >> absolutely. >> there are people out there who we are told are wrangling a lot of political insight and the national audience might not know. >> there is a lot of qualified people are ron desantis and a good reach, too. it would be an embarrassing day for the state of florida avenue ron desantis appoints the north carolina resident with zero experience to be only the second female senator from the state of florida when there are incredibly qualified people from the state of florida prepared to serve as our next u.s. senator. first of all, hat tip to kelly.
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i've never heard the phrase, florida sensibilities in this environment. that kind of attacks the heart a little bit. i think what we have learned from the reporting from kelly, matt dixon and others is that ron desantis himself must not be interested in the seat. he could set himself up for the seat and serve out his career. if you chose the easier path to next office. a year or two ago, we would have talked about his wife being the next senator, which has fallen away. that suggests that ron desantis is interested in 2028 for another presidential run. if he is looking at a presidential run. that is why the trump equation comes in. ron desantis either has to come confronted the ecosystem and choose someone else or he has to bow to it. that is the decision he will have to make. >> if you talk about what florida is, certainly there is
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a conservative band that everyone knows from covid to education and i could go on with examples, but it's also a place where a mass shooting actually did pass new laws. it is also a place where there is a strong open records law. will the real florida please stand up? tell me how you think the florida folks will reflect what that state really is. >> i think there is no case to be made. is it a far right state? went from merrily electing rick scott by only one point or so and electing ron desantis by about two points and ron desantis by 19 and rick scott by 14 and donald trump by 16. somewhere in that range. it is a hard right state that has tried to marginalize voters of color and unleash culture wars across the state. you had a mass shooting were much like we saw coming out of new town and others, there is a movement to try to do something
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and i would note that it's not politicians that would lead the effort, but it was sheriffs. the most they could get done was a version of red flag loss, which had been effective, but there was no movement to try to ban on assault weapons or movement to traditional gun control. i think the real florida we are seeing in donald trump, ron desantis, matt gaetz and pam, which reflects a great division across the country between red and blue states and the disparity could not be different. >> it is interesting that we talk about 2028 and are getting ahead of ourselves and we have not even started the new administration, but we know that people plan for decades. he is already -- that's if he doesn't try to figure out how to change the constitution. seriously, having said that, once you do align yourself for or against, you are pretty much in that lane and i'm wondering if there had been talk about other members of donald trump's family who might see themselves
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as heirs to the 1600 pennsylvania avenue. how do you even navigate that right now? can you get to 2028 without saying in trump world, but let's say that the presidency doesn't go so well. >> to your point, nobody says that 2016 has been able to replicate the original donald trump. we have seen in races where people try to be brash, insulting and angry and say all of the crazy things and it doesn't quite work. >> did it work for lake, for example? >> i'm not going to pull off economic populism, but i will pull of cultural populism for the war on trends, banning books and so forth. it didn't work and he was humiliated. it is a peer handoff to a son or daughter-in-law? certainly. i think donald trump would like to see that. we have not seen the party necessarily embrace that. that is why the florida governor really holds so much and it's
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interesting to see what he does. >> great to have you here. you and your family are having a nice day in the city and you took a little break and came and talked to us. safe travels. let's go overseas. there has been a landmark political moment and it is rocking the united kingdom. british lawmakers voted today to legalize assisted dying for terminally ill patients for the new york times puts, and the way to one of the most profound social changes in the country in decades but it is a critical step forward on what is a deeply emotional topic for many and feeling advocates on both sides to show up outside of parliament. >> i watch my partner die in screaming agony and i have a real mess. i know that i could suffer the same. my children did not want me to feel that level of pain. be myself. i'm frightened for suffering that much pain. i would like to find peace. >> or me, it is murder. thou
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shall not kill. as far as i'm concerned, this is our category. >> i want to bring in sky news reporter. this is not the final word on legislation, but a step forward. tell us what is next in the mood in the country surrounding this. >> reporter: look, as you say, this is a big step forward, so it's hard to overstate the significance of this and emotion that there was in the chamber and parliament. there were plenty of politicians here on both sides of the debate that were in tears as they discussed their own personal experience and why they were voting one way or another, but the way that the numbers worked out, those are our four assisted and think that they could get this bill through parliament and they think the assisted dying will become legal in this country. as you say, there is what's
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known for reports and committee stages and what it means is it will be scrutinized and an assessment of the impact it would have on the health care service in the country on the judiciary. what is really interesting is that both house secretary and justice secretary voted against the bill. today, the prime minister and the chancellor voted for it. that gives you a sense of the division there is here right at the top of the government where this is an issue that has divided the country with protests outside of the parliament and the last time they voted on this was in 20 18 . back then, there was not a majority, but they have changed their mind. they think that the majority of them with enough safeguards and some include where someone has to be terminally ill with less than six months to live with 2. is and approve high court judge.
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there were lots of practicalities here that need to be worked out, which is what we will see in the coming months and years. it is a big moment and a big step forward. for all of the soap opera that we often covered that goes on, the things that don't necessarily shift, this is what will have an impact and it could change lives for many people. >> we did hear one woman who was against it outside of parliament saying that this is a religious issue for her and that she quoted the 10 commandments. in a country that has a church named after the country, the church of england has the archbishop spoken about this. is that likely to have any influence? >> reporter: that is in interesting question. it is including the archbishop and they have spoken about this. there were plenty of religious in parliament today and many religious communities who are against the idea with the
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justice secretary who is a muslim and against the idea on religious ground. yes, there have been plenty of religious arguments made. as you have heard, the majority of 55, which is not an insignificant number decided that they want to go ahead. i should say that there were some people in parliament who said that they wanted to hear more about how it would work. there are so many complexities with things like using a high court judge to make the decision with how it will actually work. is the capacity already stretched judiciary in this country? there are lots of questions that these people have and we could see them changing their mind, but in a sense that you do get from the people who are pushing the bill forward is that they think they have gotten enough of a buffer with those 55 to see the legislation go through in this country despite reservations from as you say religious leaders where
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we could fall in the footsteps of other countries like canada, netherlands who have gone ahead with this and they argue if there will be a slippery slope. could this be extended? could safeguards be softened? we don't know any of that. there will be a big debate in the country over the coming months and years. >> thank you for that. coming up, first like inside of the newly rebuilt notre dame cathedral in a visit led by the french president. our first look inside from paris after this.: do your dry eyes still feel gritty, rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ohh yeah ♪ miebo is the only prescription dry eye
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♪ lalalalala ♪ this morning for the first time since a massive blaze and nearly destroyed the cathedral of notre dame, which opened its doors official visitor. french president macron took part in a televised tour showing off the results of nearly $900 million raised to restore the nearly 900-year-old cathedral. nbc's keir simmons joins us from paris. what were we able to see this morning? >> reporter: bless you. it is behind me twinkling above the sand and you won't be able to see, but there is scaffolding around it. the rest is still underway, but goodness me. inside there are sparkling colors from the stained glass windows and much of the walls
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are bright white. it is gleaming and i was inside of the cathedral a year before the fire by transfer a story. macron said today that it's better than it's ever been . it is transformed and there is gold everywhere. as bright as you like with a modern altar for this judge church. it has been transformed. in a way, you could say that it is centuries-old and has been prepared for centuries to come. there are fire extinguishers and doors up in the wooden ceiling there. >> i was there and i covered the fire. i have been to paris a few times since and missed going into the cathedral. when will i, because it's all about me and the rest of the public, be able to see this? >> reporter: book your ticket for sometime before or just after the 16th of december.
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the official opening is next week. the 16th of december is when the public begins to be allowed in. christmas is without the cathedral, but this christmas you will have mass in the cathedral. what an extraordinary comes experience that will be. i look forward to seeing you here. >> i assume that it will be the toughest ticket in town. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. that's right. they will have a ticket for you though. >> all right. you and i hear. we have been on many stories together. that would be one that i would look love to cover. happiest of holidays and even though i'm only seeing you through the tv screen. thank you for bringing this to us. from all of your reporting from the beginning, because it has been extraordinary. appreciate it. australia is the first country in the world to outlaw social media use for children. the legislation would impose
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fines on platforms like mac, facebook, snapchatted if they fail to prevent kids younger than 16 from obtaining accounts. >> result in the affirmative. >> reporter: australia taking an unprecedented step of becoming the first country in the world to ban the use of social media apps for anyone under the age of 16. >> that is pretty huge. >> reporter: the landmark law which was passed with bipartisan support drawing immediate action globally on the apps expected to be targeted , including tiktok, facebook, instagram, snapchatted and x. >> is this good and bad at the same time? >> reporter: required to take reasonable steps to verify a user's age and prohibit those under 16 from creating accounts or else face millions in fines. >> we have heard the cries of families who are suffering. >> reporter: the measure meant
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to help young people from the negative effects of social media and the american psychological association has warned about the addict nature of apps and the negative impact it could have on a child's mental health and body image. in australia, wayne holdsworth says that his son died by suicide after an extortion scam. >> anyone who says this is not a good idea has not lived through my life. >> reporter: they are facing fierce opposition, including from the big tech companies and elon musk who wrote, seems like a backdoor way to control access to the internet by all australians. others, including teenagers, are questioning how a law like this will be enforced. >> it will only create a generate of young people who will be more technologically literate in bypassing these walls. >> reporter: nbc news, los angeles. that does it for us this hour. make sure to join us for
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