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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the greatest capitalist in the history of the united states of america! elon musk! ♪♪ >> the future is gonna be amazing! >> yeah. amazing. amazing for elon musk and the other billionaire oligarchs in trump's orbit who are already reaping the financial rewards of the trump sequel while the rest of us with look forward to hardship according to musk. also tonight, with less than two months until trump takes office, we bring you our "reidout" guide to navigating autocracy. some of you have questions about what will happen to women, same-sex marriages. what will mass deportation look like? we have some of the very best experts to answer many of those questions. plus, safeguarding democracy.

democratic governors joining together to offer a unified resistance to the trump administration. illinois governor j.b. pritzker joins me and my conversation with congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez on the democrat's path back to power, and what she learned from the aoc trump voters. and we begin tonight with one of the most iconic heists of the 20th century. the great train robbery of 1963. when a group of 12 men robbed a british mail train heading from glasgow to london. they struck at 3:00 a.m., manipulating the train signals and getting railway -- cutting railway telephone wires. boarding the train with clubs and iron bars, smashing windows, you name it, and then escaping with a staggering 2.6 pounds equivalent to $70 million today.

the armed robbery would spawn books and tv shows. there was prison time and fugitives, even an anonymous insider and a massive manhunt for the robbers, which included ronnie bigs, who underwent plastic surgery in paris after escaping from prison to evade capture. it became known as the heist of the century. it was big. but that we are seeing now is bigger and even more audacious and it is happening right now in plain sight. it's an open air bank robbery, this time by the super rich who are already even richer from trump's win. here's the bloomberg billionaire's index. the morning after the election the daily ranking of the world rich' pieces, the top ten, elon musk, ranked the richest person, the biggest gaynor. his wealth jumped by a whopping $26.5 billion.

amazon founder jeff bezos was another top gain e.r. his wealth grew by $7.1 billion. it's the biggest daily increase since bloomberg's wealth index began in 2012. bill gates, warren buffett and their top ten ultra rich friends added $64 billion to their fortunes. makes sense, right? why some of them didn't endorse a candidate this year despite supporting democrat candidates and caucuses in the past or bezos defended his decision to withhold "the washington post" endorsement of the of vice president kamala harris. and it also makes sense why elon musk, who has arguably done more than anyone to help elect trump put in more than $75 million right into maga coffers and bought twitter to turning it into a right wing propaganda loudspeaker, the loudest on the

internet, in fact. trump's promise to make graerk great again is a cover for his and billionaire buddies' plot to turn us into an oligarchy with extreme deregulation, laws that keep business business in the driver's seat and labor in the back. tax cuts for the super rich and privatization everything from education to health care so big corporations can charge you for all of it and a go billionaires to trillionaires. all backed by the most pro-rich and pro-corporate supreme court in history. literally constructed by leonard leo and the heritage foundation, a court that will probably boast two young new members when clarence and alito step down to go on lifetime paid vacation starting january 20, 2025. which maybe we should rename money train day instead of inauguration and america's new oligarchs did all of this by lying to working-class people of

color and getting them to fight each other in the social media streets and ignore the real bad guys. the oldest tactic of white supremacy where working people are scraping by for a piece of the pie while the rich eat the whole entire pie and laugh all the way to the bank. by the way, the people who will suffer include many of the people who voted for trump hoping he'd toss them some coins. but the joke's on them, too, fueled by disinformation, racism, misogyny, apathy, ignorance and in some cases economic desperation. america opened the bank vault and let the robbers in. it's the greatest heist in history brought to you by trump and the new ruling oligarch class. i asked ali velshi and david k johnston to explain what the billionaires plan to do now that they essentially own this country. >> it's about government contracts and deregulation.

elon musk and jay bhattacharya have -- jeff bezos have contracts. amazon web services, cancel your prime subscription before you cancel your "washington post" stuff. they have back end web things they supply the government and space. so you have got that side of things. and then you have the massive deregulation, there is a woman lena kahn, 35 years old, federal of the federal trade commission, just decided to enforce the laws on the books about, you know, keeping competition alive. everybody in business america hates her. she will be gone one assumes soon enough. these companies want to merge, take over other companies, no new regulation, don't want the government involved in their business and that's what they will get. that's why big oil, big tech supported donald trump. the deregulation here is the dig exist part of this. the wealth gains are quite something, never seen anything like it. the control that they will have over the economy is going to be bigger. >> yeah, and david k. johnston, what to the working-class people get out of all of that?

>> they get their pockets picked. we already have a whole series of stealth ways that the government reaches in on behalf of very wealthy people and they take a penny here and a quarter there and a dollar somewhere else and they redistribute it to people at the top. there is one thing you said, joy, i want to address. i think it's very important. there is no such thing as deregulation. there is only reregulation, which enhances the power of the oligarchs which shields them from responsibility for what they do, which helps them get rid of competition so that they have better than a monopoly. if there is two or three companies with complex contracts, cellphone companies, they can raise prices more than a monopolist. >> that's right. >> that's their goal. not to be accountable. not to pay taxes. and by the way, trump did not

pass a tax cut law. he passed a tax deferral into the future with interest because he financed it with borrowed money. that's not a tax cut. a deferral with interest. >> and the other piece of what they seem to want, i am looking at the numbers here. the number of crypto people elected, crypto spent a lot of money to try to get this government that they are going to get. the crypto industry spent more than $130 million on the election. bitcoin as much as $40 million in a campaign brought down sharon brown, one of the small number of anti-crypto members of the united states senate. 253 pro crypto candidates have now been elected to the house of representatives tuesday compared 150 ante. they want to flip the dollar to this cryptocurrency which is many senses is a pump and dump, right? >> there is a whole -- donald

trump's company is a pump and dump. that's what's going on here. look at the trajectory of bill oil that wants dreg, drill baby drill and don't put rules on me, this fake carolina hoax, climate change, all that. traditional company like oil all the way into tech and crypto. these are the things ahead of us that we haven't figured out how to manage. they would rather have somebody say don't manage it, it's a free economy. and yet elon musk had the temerity to say openly that people are going to suffer a little bit. there will be a little bit of hardship but bell get through it. there is not any hardship for elon musk or for jeff bezos. that's the thing. that's the trick, right. the idea is that you all will have hardship. stock market is doing well. the best week all year. that's amazing. but only the top 10% get most of the benefits, of that the benefits in the stock market go to the top 10%. this whole system has been rigged under our noses for this to work and unfortunately these

are not the basis of the polarizing discussions we had, so a lot of people sort of missed this, that we have been undoing regulation in this country for a while and that's what's going to happen as a result. they have four years now you can do a lot of damage in four weeks in the regulatory environment let alone four years. >> absolutely. on top of that, they are going to fire tens of thousands of federal employees, which will increase the unemployment rate and then mass deportations. and that is going to cost -- what's the estimate? $968 billion in little more than a decade if they try to deport all 13 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. so the deficit skyrockets up. talk about what that does to the cost of everything if you just delete 13 million people who are heavily centered in things like agriculture industry, construction industry. i know they don't think though

50,000 federal bureaucrats are going to pick the lettuce. who is going to do that? you will pay a lot more for food on top of the tariffs that are going mo thak everything expensive. your thoughts on this mass deportation. >> not only pay a lot more for food and meat, but a lot of the people who came here without permission or with limited permission mission have american born children. we are not only separating the families, but your property taxes will go up because they are going to have to put millions of children into foster care, in orphanages, and we are going to have to bear the bill for that through property or sales tacks. in addition, when children grow it up in circumstances like that, the likelihood that we will have mental health and criminal problems in the future go up. so the cost of this are way beyond the estimates that focus on just deporting people. of course, donald trump said it will be bloody. and i don't see how it can be anything but that.

so it is shooting yourself in the foot maybe both feet to do so some of things trump wants to do. and if he goes all out doing project 2025, which steve bannon now says just like vladimir putin is after he conquered crimea, of course that's our plan. >> surprise. >> yeah. >> then, hopefully, the damage, much as i feel for the people who will be hurt, will be so bad that we will see a huge reversal in congress in two years. >> assuming we have elections. >> time to do damage -- assuming we have elections. plenty of time to do damage between now and then. >> i carried around that project 2025 the entire time and all a these people told me, you are lying. you are gaslighting us. donald trump says it's not his plan. the ink isn't dry on the election results and guess what? it's absolutely his plan. it's 180 days. that's that they say from january 20th, 180 days. they won't get all of it done but they can get 60% done in 180

days. and we were warned. >> because they have to do shock and awe. there is a reason presidents try to do most of their big policies in the first 100 days. take advantage. honeymoon. it's the shock and awe thing. they have now gotten people of color to fight each other and not pay attention to each other and creating hate among groups of color so when they do start hurting people and staking people out and putting people in camps, now we have a tootsie world where no one cares. they are trying to create conditions when they start hurting undocumented people, the other people in the country, including other people of color won't care. >> it's tried and true. it worked throughout history. you tell shiites you don't like sunnis, they were all mayor to each other, lived together, everything was fine. same thing in america. we were living together quite well until someone said these are black jobs, immigrant jobs,

hispanic jobs, white jobs. it's a fantastic job of getting people to fight with each other when they are nibbling, looking for coins to be tossed to them and the rich folks are taking the entire pie. that's exactly what happened here. while we were not watching someone created what is going to become really perilously close to an oligarchy. you don't have to be as obvious as vladimir putin is about this. you have can have three companies control phones services. you are going to pay more. they are going to get richer. but they can pass off the idea that you are all going to suffer a little bit. it's okay. we will get through this. that's what they are telling us. thanks, guys. >> accidentally being pulled across the border as if he wasn't an american citizen, well, guess what? that's going to come through. there will be american citizens who will end up being deported because they are not doing this with precision. they will do it with -- >> that's right. with the meat axe approach and with denaturalization, meaning don't think because you have a green card and came through the

right way, if you are brown, you may not stick around. i don't think they care whether you have a green card or not. they are pulling people oumt and taking people out of this country whether they like it or not. alley -- whether you voted for them or not. ali velshi and david k. johnston, thank you. next, time to talk about how we can all prepare for the presidency of donald trump 2.0. stay with us for "the reidout" guide to navigating autocracy. e. . it's about how many people you can lift up. at ram, our calling is to build game-changing trucks. so when you find your calling... nothing can stop you from answering it. right now, during the ram black friday sales event, get $5,000 total cash allowance on the purchase of most 2025 ram 1500 trucks. hurry to your local ram dealer today.

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we recognize that a second trump administration is filled with many unknowns. with just a couple of months before that begins, we wanted to provide you with the best possible information so you are prepared for whatever comes. some of you have questions about what will happen to women, what will happen to same-sex marriages, what will happen to low-income people, what will mass deportation look like? donald trump has said that he plans to defund anything with dei in it. any city or police department that refuses to participate in mass deportations and any schools that recognize transgender students and don't follow his patriotic mandates. well, i asked msnbc legal analyst joyce vance whether he can get away with all of that. >> i think we have to start by saying trump has a very aggressive, very broad agenda. and like everyone who goes into

government, he will meet the reality that you can only do a limited number of things. if everything is a priority, then you have no priorities. so at some point even donald trump will be forced to pick. and then in this specific area that you're talking about, using essentially withholding federal funding, you know, donald trump tried that before. he has threatened that in the past. he threatened, for instance, the mayor of the city of seattle with pulling federal fund during the black lives matter marches and during that era, and met with very mixed success, frankly, because state and local officials, among all of us, are perhaps the most well positioned to push back. but if trump sets a top priority and decides he is going to pull funding, say, for public institutions or more likely private institutions that continue with dei, then he can probably push that forward with some level of success. there will, however, be court

challenges and increasingly we see great signs, but the lawyers are well prepared and gearing up to be the heroes again. >> talk about the state. he has to get people from somewhere and states like california are saying they are going to -- maryland are saying they will protect people. how much can a governor like gavin newsom actually protect their residents? >> a lot. so i have lived through this, joy. in 2011, alabama passed what it billed as a deport yourself law, h b-56, that criminalized all sorts of previously legal behavior by people who were here without status and american citizens who wanted to help them. and that was a real shot across the bow, but in reality if you had a sheriff in a county who didn't want to call federal agents when they encountered people who couldn't prove their citizenship status, then it was very difficult for the federal

government to engagement and even with willing officials, again it's a question of resources. how many people can you detain? how quickly can courts process them? you know, there has been some suggestion, it's included in project 2025, that trump would bring the military to bear, to assist at the border. well, that is something that that has real legal dimensions to it. i know we live in an era where many people have lost confidence in the courts? again something that the lawyers will take to court and unless we really abandon all principle, this inappropriate deployment of american troops on u.s. soil is something that should still be contested successfully in court. >> since donald trump will likely have control of the house and senate, could they make it illegal for woman to cross state lines to get an abortion? >> so, look, i think this is a tough one. i think that women need to be

fully prepared for worst-case scenarios to surface. whether that's done strictly on a state-by-state level, which is what the supreme court authorize inside dobbs, or we see something national, something darker, we could see enforce. of the comstock act, which prohibits mailing any material that focuses on family planning. so that's much broader than just tools and drugs that are used for abortion. that could extend to birth control and other measures. and there are clearly forces in american society that believe this is a desirable result. this is an important time for american women to consider their options, including this risk. you know, this is an issue that hasn't come up to the supreme court in this posture, right. can you limit people from crossing state lines. this court had have the opportunity to decide that issue. >> thank you, joyce vance. our "reidout" guide to navigating autocracy continues in a moment with how women can

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these past few weeks the women of america have been forced to witness not only an adjudicated sexual abuser be elected president, but then see him offer some of the highest positions in government to men who faced accusations their own. trump select add defense secretary and attorney general,

a secretary of health and human services and efficiency czar all of whom have been accused of variations of sexual miss conduct. like the president-elect denied them. this is only added to the pain and fear that a lot of women have already been feeling in the aftermath of the election. on top of facing an onslaught of online abuse and harassment with phrases like your body, my choice, and get back to the kitchen surging across social media. and with so many still unknown, you probably have a lot of questions about what a second trump administration will mean por women, what it will mean for access to reproductive care, birth control, ivf, even no fault divorce and how to best protect yourself through all of it. well, on this show we want to provide you with the best possible information, so you are prepared to navigate whatever comes your way. joining me is maya wiley, the of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. my good friend, thank you so

much for being here. so let's just go through these in some sort of order. the first question a lot of people are asking is should women right now be number one deleting that health app that tracks your periods, and stockpiling things like plan b and even birth control pills and maybe getting an iud in advance of the trump-era coming into power? >> well, i think one thing, joy, that all women should recognize is it depends on what state you're in, first of all. i mean, we have roughly half the states tv this country working and expanding protections for things like reproductive health and freedom and then we have states working very hard not just to take them away and have taken them away, but even to consider ways to criminalize not just reproductive health, but even whether you get to potentially help other people get the reproductive health care they need. so i think it's really important

for women to look at where they are and what their laws and protections are and make those choices for themselves. but certainly, to your point, we have so many women and girls, remember it's also young people, who are in states for which it will matter tremendously if the trump administration, incoming administration, does what project 2025 suggests it does. and we have every reason to believe it will, use the power the executive branch to say we don't care if it's safe or tested or what the science says, we don't care that over half of women who have abortions use this medically proven, safe pill to help them control their reproductive health and futures. we are going to say it's an obscenity to mail it to other states. so, for women in those places i think it's incredibly important and lot of women already are figuring out how to get access to it and stockpile it.

i think we also have to remember that for all of the women who are in states that to not have this fear and there are many, we have to consider ways in which we are providing support networks for those women who do. >> but what are the risks of, you know, the administration not only enforcing the comstock act, making mifepristone illegal to mail, but also start enforcing things like allowing prosecutions state to state. so if you're in texas and you go to new mexico to get abortion services when you return home to texas you get prosecuted. what is the risk that women could, even if they live in a blue state protecting them, still wind up prosecuted for helping a woman get an abortion? >> yeah, like this is a place, joy, where we just can't stop fighting, and women aren't, and all our allies are. but here is the thing. you have gone straight to the heart of what is at stake here

with weaponizing government against our people and on fundamental rights because right now in the biden administration, for instance, the department of justice said when, you know, we had with two states that have passed laws that say, oh, we're going to call it a crime if you help a minor cross the border to get an abortion without the consent of the parents. now, they are trying very hard in that instance to skirt around the fact that we have a lot of recognition in our case law that you can't criminalize people crossing borders to do something they have a legal right it to do. in this case, they are being cute, but department of justice said, no, no, no, we, as the united states government, believe that is wrong and unconstitutional and we are going to get involved. imagine now you've got whoever donald trump ends up with leading the department of justice, which will be someone who will be a yes person to anything that donald trump wants, and this is where it

goes, you can imagine the federal government using its weight and its resources to support the criminalization of people and women, and that is devastating. >> two other quick questions. number one, what is the risk that clarence thomas will follow through on what he said he would like to do, which is to also go after the supreme court ruling that made birth control legal. in other words, returning that to the states so some states could have birth control legal, and what is the risk that no fault divorce will also go away as a legal option for women? >> look, i think what we can expect is all of the forces that are trying to impose religious belief on the bodies of women and girls to come hard for our rights. but i think here's the thing. whether or not we let them is the question, and there is so many of us who are fighting to say, no, you can't, no, you won't. remember, states matter here because right now we have a lot

of states protecting rights. we need those states to continue not just to aggressively protect women in those states, but we need women in those states to protect the almost half of women who are latina, for example, or black who are in state that do not. and remember it's also coming for health care access. cutting medicaid. this is also about whether you get basic health care. so i just think if they keep going for these fundamental rights, these basic things we've all come to expect, things that some of the people who voted for this incoming administration don't believe is if going to happen, we're going to have not just a world of hurt, we are going to have a world of anger and we are going to act. >> maya wiley, thank you. coming up, blue states are fighting back with governors launching a coalition to safeguard democracy under a second trump term. j.b. pritzker, one of the governors spearheading that effort, joins me next. effort, joins me next.

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stephen miller, who will be trump's deputy chief of staff, proposed sending national guard troops from red states to blue ones to enforce federal policy and trump's incoming border zor thomas homan said it includes departing families that include american citizens. but for those concerned that the party of state's rights and family values is threatening to send federal troops to states that don't comply with orders to separate or deport families that could include american citizens, rest assured, the private prison industry's gains can ease your worries. who needs decency and compassion when holding facilities stocks are rising? republicans will control the house and the senate meaning they will fully own the consequences of trump's policies until the midterms. and that federal trifecta means that the 15 democratic ifectas

at the tate level will serve as one of the only bulwarks. democratic state governors and mayors launch add new effort dubbed governors safeguarding democracy. i asked one of the co-founders, illinois governor j.b. pritzker, whether his state can prevent the federal government from building internment camps in his state. >> we have prohibited by law in the state of illinois the use of any of our existing county jails or prisons for the purpose of rounding people up and detaining them. i want to be clear that there are certain circumstances in which the federal government, state governments should work together to allow deportation. an example would be somebody who has been convicted of a violent crime. but they are talking about rounding up people who are law-abiding undocumented immigrants in this country, many of whom are working, paying

taxes, not getting any benefits for nose taxes and we have a law on the books called the trust act which prohibit the local law enforcement and sheriffs and the like from coordinating with the federal authorities. but we cannot prohibit them, federal law enforcement, from coming into our state to, you know, conduct raids or do anything else like that. meanwhile, i think it what be very difficult for them to just spread out across the country. they don't have enough manpower within the department of homeland security in order to carry that out. so, look, i am going to do everything i can to protect our undocumented immigrants. they are residents of our state. and i also, obviously, need to make sure that whatever they are doing in our state, the federal government, that it is actually within federal law or state law for them to do it. >> is there -- i mean, in the

state of illinois is there federal property that a trump administration could simply say we don't care what you say and what your laws say, governor pritzker, we are going to use that federal property to build internment camps in your state? >> as far as i'm concerned, there is nothing like that in the state of illinois. what i mean to say is that when we had the problem of the very inhumane shipping of migrants from the state of texas to illinois, i, of course, went to the federal government and said, well we, need a place to put them because we may run out of places. can you provide us with locations that the federal government may own that we could use? and there really isn't anything like it. you imagine in a situation of, you know, detainment and mass deportation would be -- there isn't anything that exists like that. >> let me go through this. there are -- these are the 15

states that have democratic trifectas, democrats control both houses in the legislature as well as the governorship, and illinois ranks fourth on that list after california, new york and new jersey. illinois has about 400,000 known undocumented people. and the economic impact of trying to force the removal of those people, 30% of construction trades such as plasterers, roofers and painters alleged to be undocumented. 28% graders and sorters of agriculture products, 25% of housekeeping cleaners, we could go on. it would cost your state a great deal of money and it would cost your economy, i would assume, a lot if these workers were ripped out of illinois, no? >> that's true. and again, as i said earlier, many of these folks are working today. they are paying -- >> all of these are work. everyone i mentioned are working, right.

>> that's right. they are paying taxes and not getting any benefits from it. the tax it is that are getting paid are of great interest, you could imagine, to the country and to the state of illinois. but look, i think it's important for us to recognize here that what the federal government is looking to do at this point looks like it may be unconstitutional. now, we will see. we have got attorneys general that are working on these kinds of issues within the courts. but we governors need to share ideas across state lines. we have a trust act, for example, there are other states that don't. you talked about 15 states is that have trifectas. don't forget that governors in other states that don't have a trifecta still have executive orders that they can carry out. >> sure. >> and that is very valuable. and being able to share these ideas between one state and another, i think it's a hugely beneficial thing in this moment. now, i also want to say we're

going to work with the trump administration on other issues. i'm sure there are things we might be able to work together on. but the fact is that this governors organization that we put together is intended to allow us to get the best ideas, not just from each other, but from outside organizations to make sure we are addressing the most serious violations that we think might be coming from the federal government. >> i want to note for our audience that mass deportation will cost more than building four -- 40,450 new elementary schools and communities around the country, constructing 2.9 million new homes in communities, funding head start for 79 years, buying a brand-new car for 20.4 million people. and the last question i ask, you mentioned potential litigation. do you have confidence in the united states supreme court that they would push back on or overrule a trump administration given that john roberts has already ruled that donald trump would have unlimited powers? >> i don't have full confidence

in that. but i must say that, you know, i'm hopeful. we don't know how they will react to some of these policies that have never been seen before in the united states. so, you know, i'm -- again, i'm hopeful, but i am not sure i could count on it. again, attorneys general are going to be dealing with the court. the governors here, we have the ability to enforce the law, to make sure that we are passing laws and putting them in place and executive orders, and those things we are working very hard on right now. >> governor j.b. pritzker, thank you very much. and best of luck. >> thank you, joy. up next, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez joins me on those surprising trump aoc voters and what they really want. stay with us.

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of all the confounding results in this past election, perhaps the strangest phenomenon was the surprising number of people who voted for democrats down ballot and then checked on donald trump for president. that was the case in new york's 14th district, a number of voters cast their ballots for both trump and one of the house's most progressive democrats, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. better known as aoc. and while the democratic party is still reeling from the results, congresswoman ocasio-cortez is doing something a lot of the d.c. folks aren't. talking to -- taking to social media and actually talking to voters to figure out why this happened.

>> if you voted for donald trump and me, or if you voted for donald trump and voted democratic down ballot, i would really love to hear from you. this is not a place of judgment. i am not going to, like, put your stuff on blast or anything like that or dunk on it. that's genuinely not the intent here. i actually want to learn from you. i want to hear what you're thinking and i just want to hear from you. >> i talked to congresswoman ocasio-cortez about the responses she received. >> there is a lot of different things that we saw. i think there is a lot of people, first of all, it's important to note that democrats oftentimes when we lose elections we think that we lost people to trump, and that is true in circumstances, but they don't look enough that, at the fact that we lost people to the couch. we have two people that were

running against. so a lot of people say this is why i voted for you and trump and some people say this is why i didn't vote or didn't vote top of the ticket. >> skip the top of the ticket, which there has been paranoia about the fact that democrats win statewide in some places while kamala harris lost. i keep trying to tell people, there are voters who go in and just vote the top, trump voters say i want trump, don't care about republicans and the reverse who say, i am not voting top of the ticket but vote everybody else. >> right, right. i think we saw some of that happen as well. but when it comes to people who split their ticket, think a lot of people cited several different things. one is there is universal frustration in this country, much of it i actually think justified, that is raging at a political establishment that centers corporate interests, billionaires, and puts their needs ahead of the needs of working americans.

and we know that we can either channel this righteous rage because there are people whose snap was cut off, child tax credits were cut off, but they are seeing people like elon musk getting tax breaks and kissing up to donald trump in order to do -- >> but they vote for him, why vote for elon musk and donald trump? >> and i think that, of course, is the question. >> makes no sense. >> and i think part of it has to do with the fact that -- and i think we are still in a process of going through the data. it's important to say that. and i actually think that it's important to say that the people who are rushing to say, let me give my grand theory of what's going on -- >> the problem is you won't too woke. kamala was running with liz cheney at her side. she wasn't, quote, unquote, woke. >> if we have an election on november 5 and 6, we have an

answer. don't listen to those people. >> agreed. >> so i want to have the -- i want to say we shall have the humility of saying this is an ongoing process. however, there is something to be said about it doesn't matter that he is lying. he is saying that a i'm fighting for you. in all of this debate that people are talking about with this woke thing, right, oh, my gosh, it's because we care about trans people and that's why -- >> by the way, only donald trump cared about trans people because he ran under the $30 million worth of ads. harris campaign said nothing about this fact. >> that's right. what i think people are paying too much attention to is the first half of that ad which says, kamala harris is -- or that said kamala harris is for they/them. everyone is focusing on that. they are not focusing on the second half of that ad where he

said, donald trump is for you. and democrats very often in their messaging speak and in this in terms and in concepts in not in the second person. i care about you. and political races are not about one candidate versus another candidate. too often it's pigeonholed like that. it's a race to convince a person about who cares about you more. >> thank you to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and that's tonight's "reidout." you can follow me on tiktok at joy reid and instagram at joy ann reed and on instagram and tiktok at the readout and on blue sky. bluesky, find us there, too. i'll see you monday. ♪♪