said, donald trump is for you. and democrats very often in their messaging speak and in this in terms and in concepts in not in the second person. i care about you. and political races are not about one candidate versus another candidate. too often it's pigeonholed like that. it's a race to convince a person about who cares about you more. >> thank you to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and that's tonight's "reidout." you can follow me on tiktok at joy reid and instagram at joy ann reed and on instagram and tiktok at the readout and on blue sky. bluesky, find us there, too. i'll see you monday. ♪♪ hi everybody, it's 5:00 in

new york, i'm alicia menendez in for a special edition. donald trump is not in the white house and is already claiming credit for solving problems that are already addressed. he said he delivered on the campaign promise to close the u.s./mexico border. posted quote just had a wonderful conversation with the new president of mexico, it was a very productive conversation. trump spoke to her on wednesday two days after he threatened mexico and canada with a 25% tariff on all goods. claiming if mexico didn't end the flow of migrants and fentanyl into the u.s., he would keep the tariff in place

indefinitely. those would potentially violate the free trade deals his administration brokered, and also raise prices and the president warned of retaliation. if there's a tariff, another will come in response and so on until we put common companies at risk. general motors, ford, stellantis, all have major manufacturing in mexico. beyond that, the problems that trump proposes to solve are already being addressed. the high border crossings had reached record lows, they dropped precipitously this year in large part because of the policies of president biden who has effectively closed the southern border. americans are responsible for most of the fentanyl smuggled

in, but despite this, trump is trying to declare victory. problem is, she remembers the call differently. president sheinbaum said in our conversation i explained to him the comprehensive strategy that mexico has followed with the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights, the solution is not close borders but build conversations. this is happening seven weeks before trump takes office. we start with a professor of economics, maxwell and former analyst, who will be with me the full hour. david, start with you. the tariffs, none of it makes economic sense, especially if you were elected because

americans were angry at the high price of goods. that's not what it's about. to me it's about this man is not yet in office or power, he's claiming victory for things he has not in fact accomplished. and it is a reminder of what the first four years were. >> sure. >> and what the next four years could be. my question is what have we learned about how you call bs? >> what have we learned how to fact check it, but also recognize what we've learned about where america is today. donald trump is a fictional president, a storyteller and pied piper whose followers will believe whatever he tweets out or sends out on truth social. this is the perfect example, by suggesting he wins, now the economy is better, the border is better, peace is better. all these things. and earth one, as nicole likes

to say, those simply are not the facts. where credit is due, joe biden has a remarkable four years to point to. but donald trump is a story storyteller and will tell a story the american people will listen to. it's on the free press to say maybe it's not always true. this is an introduction of what we're about to walk into, particularly as he stumbles. you could fault the white house for not playing more offense now, but he will walk into an environment he's due to stumble, tariffs, stumbling with vladimir putin, saying to turkey you can have as much of syria as you want. he will stumble into those and tell lies to cover it up. right now he's telling lies about american successes. the real danger is when he tells

lies about american america's failures. >> all the republicans who didn't vote for the infrastructure pack and and go back to their districts and claim credit for it. it's interesting the president of mexico said that's not how the call happened or how policy works. what do we need to learn as we move forward? >> we have to learn that the information infrastructure, the media infrastructure, it's way too siloed. the fact that so many americans bought into frankly lies told to them by donald trump, his media allies and his allies in the congress saying the same fictional stories to david's point about donald trump's plans for the country and what he would do if he were reelected. i think now -- i feel like i went into a time machine to the bad place, and it's really, really difficult in this moment to brace yourself for what's to come, knowing what has already

happened in the first term for donald trump. but it's important to still do the fact-checking, point out the lies and point out that donald trump has run for president three times now, complaining about problems, putting forward ideas, not policies that won't do anything to solve the problems he's complaining about. and unfortunately too many americans bought into lies being repeated to them in those media environments on the right wing that are not telling the truth about his plans and what they would do and the real consequences for the american public. >> let's drill down on those policies. exit polls show that his victory is due in large parts to anxieties about the economy and immigration. telling me on something like mass deportation, you have heads of industry coming out and saying not us, you understand this is not economically viable. what would the impact of tariffs he suggested for our largest

trading partner and mass deportation be to this country? >> the tariff is easy. this is basically a sales tax on goods you import into the country. think about the stuff you're buying from abroad. all sorts of goods. coming from mexico or canada, they're the largest trading partners for fruit and vegetables. they'll go up 25%. the auto industry. i'm just outside detroit, auto central. got a lot of auto parts manufacturers here and a lot on the other side of the canadian border. to make a car, goods go back and forth across the border many times. if that adds 25% each time, that's creating uncertain for american businesses. you have crisis meetings going on in big businesses to figure out how to work around what look to be a destructive set of policies. >> steve, david wrote about the

door this opens to grift. keep an eye on the corruption angle. when tariffs are imposed -- i like you already laughed -- administrations often create loopholes and exceptions for lobbyists eager to deal. don't be surprised if the trump white house starts making assessments about companies and industries that play ball and the incoming president likes. buckle up. >> a president funding his transition activities without sunlight or disclosure, including perhaps foreign money. a president who suggested i will flaunt any rules there are and test many. it will take you two years to catch up. this weaves into the first question you asked, what do we do to check all of this. i have a theory, we were talking about it earlier this week, applies to the democratic party and the media, and americans of conviction.

in some ways the democratic party is burdened with being the responsible party, the media with being the responsible actors. american voters are responsible for being a check on this when half the country has said we don't care about being responsible, we want to be selfish and donald trump is allowing us to be selfish. if this is allowing him to engage in grift and graft and backhanded commerce we don't see, we're allowed to go along with it. what's unsettling about that, coming off the election, those who are trying to act responsibly feel the pain of the loss. we don't wake up upset because we're wrong. we know we're right, but we're on the losing side of this battle. what does this mean for responsible media, electorate and democratic in this environment? only answer is double down holding donald trump and his allies accountable and trying to

present a democracy that represents all people even in a losing environment. >> what does it mean? >> keep doing what you're doing. i understand the autopsy report you go through when you're losing, but let's not overreact to this. again, you didn't come out of the election upset because you knew you were wrong. you knew you were right but you lost. so don't change the fundamental values. don't just say we're going to give equity to donald trump. some people are doing in the democratic party, media and electorate, i give up, give him equity and parity to traditional american values. no, that's absolutely wrong. forgive me for saying this, you can't go to mar-a-lago. this will get me in trouble, you can't do that. hold donald trump accountable for being wrong and his allies. even if you're in a losing environment and threatening your own liberty and your own

security as an american. you either believe that donald trump and trumpism is wrong and a threat to american democracy, or you don't. that's the environment. it's hard. >> it's wild thinking specifically about the tariffs, sheinbaum is pushing back, you think you're the only one who could raise tariffs? watch me do the same. the u.s.-mexico-canada trade deal coming back to the table in just a year? a lot is volatile for the american consumers. >> the first country that the united states decides to clobber after the election is the evil-doers in canada. didn't see that coming. donald trump was honest on the one hand, tariff man. dishonest on another, 60%

against china, 10% against every other country. and three weeks later it's out the window. it wasn't thought through. and this isn't. last time trump did this over 2,000 exceptions were made for individual companies or goods that the white house decided we want most people, but not our mates. >> how do you account for that uneven playing field? >> well, there's an uneven playing field because donald trump has never been competent and is showing himself to be incompetent again. unfortunately, all of the warnings that people were saying, avid, myself and others in the mainstream media warning about a second trump term, david is right, we simply lost in a very close election with more than half the country not

participating, something we really need to work on. and i think that now the real consequences for the american public -- that's what i'm focused on, the consequences of his incompetence, the consequences of his corruption and the fact he's flouting norms that should be laws in this moment. and we're in a very dangerous situation because we are -- we find ourselves in a position that could have been avoided but wasn't. now we have to make sure we mitigate that damage. >> thank you for getting us started, justin. david and zerlina are staying with us. if you watched the last hour about the documentary and want to see it, tuesday, december 3rd, new york city, ifc center, q&a afterward. and it's moderated by the host

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as trump rounds out his cabinet, one thing has become crystal clear. if confirmed, they would be one of the wealthiest cabinets in history. filled with scott bessent as

treasury secretary, howard lutnick as business secretary, whose business interests present conflicts of interests. as the "new york times" wrote, critics say the intersection of business interests and government policy during the second term could be more complex, increasing the chance that standards could be flouted or ignored. the former head of ethics said it's potentially the greatest ethics cataclysm in the history of our government. david and zerlina. i'm old enough to remember when donald trump pledged to drain the swamp, amazed that he managed to run as an outsider, he's already served as president. yet here we are. >> here we are, did donald trump tell a lie? that's never happened before in the history of life. i think one of the things i've been thinking a lot about in recent days is just how the

corruption is in plain sight, almost playing in our faces at this point. if the shoe was on the other foot and democrats were doing this, would be a loud chorus of people in the conservative media complaining about that problem and the consequences for their viewers and the american public. that's what we need to be doing now. we don't need a cabinet full of wealthy americans. being wealthy doesn't necessarily mean you're better or smarter than any other person. making sure that competent people are in positions of power in off government are important. if you want a functioning government. big picture this is not what this administration is about. if we think about project 2025, the entire goal of the administration is to dismantle the functioning of our federal government. that is the point of it. if that's your goal, these are the people you put in positions of power. >> and it's why you now no

reverence for the way things have been done. "new york times" is reporting the administration has refused to sign a legally binding document, meaning they can get donors without disclosing them. >> donald trump learned a lot in his first administration. by the end he was using acting secretaries because they were out of reach. and he learned about the latency of accountability, even with the impeachment and whether or not there were criminal charges, he knew it would take years for the court system to catch up. we're seeing that play out in the transition. the fascinating thing about his economic appointments. this is someone so desperate for the respect of wall street. if there are more traditional picks it's because of the insecurity he's always had he hasn't been respected by wall street. secondly it shows he's willing

to have traditional republican views with trickle-down, unleashing private money, burning the economy white hot until it fizzles out because he'll be gone. tax cuts, crushing the independence of the reserve, a tariff war, give away money to the agriculture economy over here and not brag about that to the conservative base. donald trump is going to move money quickly through the system and he put people in place to do that. that's also something he learned in the first administration. don't surround myself with checks but people who will say yes, sir. >> not only the trump transition not bound by ethics, it also does not appear to include the president-elect. it doesn't include language about his ethical conduct in the transition. a new provision of the act added

by congress after ethical issues dogged the first trump administration -- i'm going back to the first answer where you said you were just shocked that donald trump is lying again. speaks to david's point, what they learned in the first four years, deciding certain things are rules, certain things are suggestions. >> problem when things are just suggestions, we know they're not going to follow them. a convicted felon that became president again, he won't follow them even if they are written laws. that's why we need all the levers of power working quickly. unfortunately we didn't have that, didn't get to a place where donald trump was held accountable in time. he learned that from his business career, dragging things out in the legal process is his m.o., he just applied that to many of the legal and ethical

challenges he faced in the first term. back to project 2025, they learned a lot from the guardrails in place to stop donald trump from implementing his worst impulses and they put it in a 900-page document so ensure he didn't have those in a second term. now we have to live through that and hope the consequences are not as bad as they could potentially be because they're incompetent. hanging your hat on they're so incompetent they won't be able to do all these things is really not a reassuring thought. but in this particular moment, there's a lot of damage they can do in just four years now and we're going to see that unfold as he takes power. >> i agree with you, and especially given the emphasis on execution action already. david, zerlina, you're staying

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donald trump has been president-elect for just three weeks and already his legal woes seem to have vanished. sentencing in the new york hush money case was indefinitely postponed. now his lawyer is calling for letitia james to drop her civil

fraud case, too. he owes $450 million in damages because james won her case in february. but his lawyer argues overturning the judgment is for the greater good of the country. the trump legal team awaits the response, and "the washington post" reports that trump is planning to fire the entire legal team that worked with jack smith on his federal prosecutions. he wants to quote clean out the bad guys, people who went out after him. if his pick for the justice department is confirmed, he will have a new ally, pam bondi. >> the department of justice prosecutors will be prosecuted, the bad ones. investigators will be investigated. >> joined by former fbi general counsel and cohost of "prosecuting donald trump" podcast, and david and zerlina

are with us. we'll have to reconsider the name of that podcast, my friend. talk to me first about the new york civil case and this argument it is for the good of the country. >> well, it's preposterous, so it's a civil case where it is now on appeal. there has been a trial, donald trump lost. and he has made his arguments to the appellate court, and it will decide whether there's some or no merit to it. or decide he's completely right. but that's what the courts are for. civil cases proceed, state cases proceed, even when somebody is the president-elect or president. just think of the civil case brought against bill clinton when he was president, he had to sit for a deposition while he was in the white house. so if you can do that, this case

can certainly go forward where it's actually already been concluded and it's simply on appeal. i don't see any merit to it at all, especially since it's an independent state case. where donald trump had all the due process rights that anyone would have in that circumstance. >> the emboldenness, it follows through on the reporting in "the washington post" about his alleged plans to fire the entire team that worked under special counsel jack smith. i mean what does that mean for doj, for the future of holding donald trump accountable? >> well, i think the dangerous part of this is that there is a tradition of civil service, both at the state and federal level, certainly at the department of justice. meaning that you don't launch

career people to be replaced by political operatives, because frankly it's run by people who think the facts and law matter. for anyone to just say i'm going to fire everyone who was on a certain investigation, that's going to be found by the merit system protection board and the courts to be illegal. donald trump would have to change the law, and he'd have to change the law dramatically and retroactively. if you want an example of something that happened where you can see if you take this kind of action it won't work, the steps that the trump administration took with respect to andy mccabe, the acting head of the fbi. acting fbi director after james comey was fired, mccabe brought a civil suit challenging his firing and prevailed, he was

reinstated, got back pay, his pension, all of that. that's something we want. whether a republican or democrat is in the white house, that kind of system where you have career people carrying out the rule of law is something that you really want. i have to say i'm somewhat -- i won't say cautiously optimistic, but cautiously pessimistic. when pam bondi didn't say she will go after all of jack smith's team, just the bad ones. with that language, if she stuck to it at the confirmation hearing, she's suggesting it is not going to be painting with a broad brush. she is after all somebody who has a long career as a prosecutor and knows that in this case grand juries found the facts here, judges, whether judge cannon or junket who found

no prosecutorial misconduct, no selective prosecution by jack smith's team. this is one where there may be a lot of saber rattling which can itself be pernicious, but it remains to be seen whether it really is something they will carry out. >> david, are you as cautiously pessimistic about pam bondi there? >> i am, unfortunately. she's not a matt gaetz. we talked about it last week. take it back to letitia james and the motion to dismiss, her response will be simple, too bad, go pound sand. the question is, we've seen from jim jordan and others on the hill the interest and effort to interfere with state and local prosecutions and the effort to oversee the department of justice in ways that hasn't been done before. >> or put it in political

conversation. >> and in pam bondi they have an ally. the confirmation hearing will be so informative to the american people. she will have to answer what is the role of the department of justice in questions like this. i think unfortunately she's moved from a jeb bush to a donald trump republican and i think she'll say we'll go after the bad ones without saying what it means, or say that we'll give james guidance. she's going to do trump's bidding. like with bill barr, he finally had a line too far and we haven't seen pam bondi's line yet, will be interesting to see. >> zerlina, you were saying we have to remain focused on the consequences of these things. there are consequences for career officials who could be targeted, could be losing their

job. this is a two-tier system of justice and now there's a third tier solely and exclusively for donald trump and his specific allies. that has consequences for the rest of us. >> exactly right. thinking all day about the fact that we like to say no man is above the law but we've demonstrated that's not true any longer. donald trump is above the law and he's trying to flout the law while gearing up to mass deport millions of undocumented people for lawbreaking. that's a point that isn't often made. the crime alleged by the far right republicans and donald trump allies, we need to deport these people because they're criminals. while they're all supporting and walking lock step with somebody who is a convicted felon, who flouts the law whenever possible, whenever it's beneficial to him politically or personally. i think that's something if you

are a person of color, black person in this country, you knew there were two tiers of justice. now we have a third as you said. get back to the fact we want equal justice under the law. that's the goal and we're not living up to it in any way, shape or form. >> andrew, thank you. up next, in a shock offensive, syrian insurgents have reached the major city of aleppo for the first time in years. that and other stories from ukraine and lebanon next. ukraine and lebanon next

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talk to your healthcare provider today. as the trump administration's foreign policy team is coming into focus, so, too, the scope of problems in front of them. syrian forces clashed with the governmental forces in aleppo, a scale of fighting not witnessed since the civil war in 2016. in lebanon, a fragile u.s.-backed ceasefire between israel and hezbollah holds despite an air strike from israel said to be targeting enemies of the deal. and ukraine, retaliation for kyiv using long-range missiles. joining us, start with syria, two car bombings in aleppo,

where do you see this all going? >> i don't see it going far, alicia. the reason, in my experience with handling syria, including the first two years of the crisis, the rebel factions are not organized and coordinated. i believe they were taking advantage because they believe probably that president assad of syria backed by iran and hezbollah, must believe he was weakened, russia is also distracted right now. but to shoot back at the northern part rebels, their stronghold. they've made this effort, i anticipate it escalating but not for the opposition to hold aleppo long. >> talk about the context of what we're seeing out of

lebanon, the fragility of the negotiation. and the possibility of the stakes rising just as a new administration is coming into power. >> it's a really interesting time in the middle east. you have now for the first time in decades hezbollah significantly weakened. i don't say that lightly. it is not easy to weaken a terrorist group like hezbollah, but the majority of commanders have been killed off and most of their arsenal decimated. now the lebanese military can try to seize the south. this is a test to see if the government and military can control the south, ensure it remains disarmed and hezbollah doesn't come back rearing its ugly head. i'm not sure about the ceasefire. it will and won't hold. hezbollah will try again but

israel has promised and shown it has no fear pushing back if they see anything that undermines the deals of the ceasefire. but what the ceasefire shows in general, a weakness on the part of this quote axis of resistance, hezbollah, iran, hamas, all of them are on their heels now, that helped lead to the ceasefire and could help lead to a ceasefire with hamas in gaza, though that's a totally different situation and wouldn't say it's very likely. but all of them are on their back foot because they've been -- iran is a state actor, don't want to fight for hezbollah and hamas, and those two have been decimated. >> ve heard more about the challenges at home, not as much abroad. but it's a reminder how high the stakes are. >> it's remarkable we're not having a conversation about a widespread war in the middle east and it wasn't more of a

conversation in the campaign. the trick will be for donald trump in a very complex environment -- he's a storyteller, pied piper, tell you one thing, his followers follow him. ceasefire ends when netanyahu controls all of it. the ceasefire in ukraine ends when they force ukraine to cede territory to vladimir putin and it ends. but in syria previously, we saw donald trump abandon our alhis, the kurds, and told turkey to march over and take what they want. transition to donald trump in the midst of a war in the middle east is concerning, american values get lost. >> keith kellogg offered a proposal arguing to pull weapons

from ukraine if it doesn't enter peace talks with russia. your thoughts. >> the trump team has been touting a deal of pressuring zelenskyy and putin to come to the table. with zelenskyy, threatening to pull aid, and saying if putin wouldn't negotiate, they'll pump aid in. there's a supposed deal where they would pressure zelenskyy to give up -- to freeze the front line as they have it, meaning where the 20% of land that russia currently occupies of ukraine will remain under russian control and ukraine would promise not to be a member of nato. zelenskyy implied, didn't say it directly, that he would be open to a deal to cede some territory if he were under the nato umbrella, not full membership but members pledge to secure

ukraine to ensure that putin and russia don't attack again. it's very transactional. i expect that under trump in general. you're going to see trump using every lever we have. and the u.s. has the greatest number of levers of anybody in the world between sanctions, currency, military aid, we pull those levers. he's going to use those levers on both sides of conflicts around the world to try to cut deals wherever he can. on one hand could say, less war, great. other hand, ukraine for example, we learned, everybody learned with world war ii, you never appease an aggressor. that is lesson number one, don't say just give you this chunk of land and they're going to stop. usually that incentivizes them to pursue more aggression. that's the concern, why the biden administration has been tough on ensuring to defend ukraine, they're very afraid

genuinely that not supporting ukraine and push russia back could upend the international order and encourage putin to push the borders elsewhere. >> donald trump convinced people of the concept of america first, any dollars spent in foreign conflicts have nothing to do with the united states, could not reach our shores or impact our safety and security. as you watch, it's a reminder if you care about democracy, not in conceptual or existential way, the threats abroad is real to our own safety and security. >> i think the conversation that we're having earlier, talking about tariffs, and donald trump is tweeting about his

conversation with the president of mexico and she's correcting it in her own tweet. we're sort of looking at a second trump administration that is transactional. but everybody else in the world, just like the american public, has also dealt with a first trump administration and know what buttons to press, what compliments to give him, how to make him feel like he's the king of the world, or king of america, frankly, so i feel like in a lot of ways you're going to see in coming years all of the myriad foreign policy crises are going to rise or fall based on whether or not donald trump feels good about himself and whether or not he's been a good negotiator. that's really the scariest part for me. i feel like we actually need to talk more about these foreign policy challenges because we don't have an incoming administration that understands

any of the nuance we're talking about today. essentially all the world leaders understand, if you compliment donald trump, he'll give you what he wants. >> thanks for being with us. we'll be right back. ack. finds r friends with fur friends and everyone else on your list. for up to 60% off gifts that say i get you. etsy has it.

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nominated fox news personality, pete hegseth, who entered into a nondisclosure agreement for sexual charges, and for secretary of health, robert f. kennedy, and linda mcmahon sued for grooming. and the top law enforcement officer, former representative matt gaetz who withdrew, the subject of a house ethics investigation following allegations he paid minors for sex. we're telling survivors of sexual assault they don't matter, their trauma is meaningless, they should stay silent, and they will. >> if you select one person with these types of allegations, could be chalked up to poor vetting. when you have multiple people accused credibly of sexual assault or misconduct, that's a

choice. they're trying to send that exact message, to survivors, what you survived doesn't matter. it's incredibly unfortunate, makes me really sad but i've been sad since 2016 when the "access hollywood" tape dropped and america still hired people will let you do anything to be president. #metoo movement that people argued went too far, i argue didn't go far enough to remove people from the public space. it's unfortunate, sends a horrifying message to survivors, people who love survivors, and everybody out there knows somebody who has survived a sexual assault. >> this wasn't just vetting but the moral standing, purview of a

presidency. >> a long time ago. america just elected a man found civilly liable for sexual abuse and a convicted criminal. but he was found liable. the fascinating thing about the nominations, he's testing the theory that perhaps the actions, allegations, no longer matter. that's less about trump and who we are as a country and culture. >> yes. >> if the people who voted for donald trump are okay elevating people into that position, i'm afraid we've crossed the fulcrum. the only defense to suggest we haven't said sexual abuse is okay, is is that we have an ignorant electorate and that's an indictment of the american people. donald trump was found civilly liable and people voted for this three weeks ago. >> thanks for being with us me

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