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>> ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the greatest capitalist in the history of the united states of america -- elon musk! ♪♪ >> oh, ah. the future is going to be amazing. >> yeah. amazing. amazing for elon musk and the other billionaire oligarchs in trump's orbit who are already reaping the financial awards of the trump sequel. the rest of us can look forward to hardship -- according to musk. less than two months until trump takes office, we bring you our guide to navigating autocracy. some have questions what will happen to women, to same-sex marriages, what will mass deportation look like. we have some of the very best experts to answer many of those questions. plus, safeguarding

democracy, democratic governors are joining together to offer a unified resistance to the trump administration. illinois governor pritzker joins me. and my conversation with congresswoman ocasio-cortez on her path back to power and what she learned from the aoc/trump voters. we begin with one of the most iconic heists of the 20th century. the great train robbery of 1963. 12 men robbed a british mail train from glasgow to london, struck at 3:00 a.m., manipulating the signals, boarding with clubs and iron bars, shing windows, escaping with a staggering 2.6 million

pounds, equivalent to $70 million today. it would spawn books and tv shows. there was prison time, fugitives, an anonymous insider, and a massive manhunt for the robbers which included ronnie biggs who underwent plastic surgery in paris after escaping from prison to evade capture. it became known as the heist of the century. it was big. but what we're seeing now is bigger and even more audacious. it is happening right now in plain sight. it's an open air bank robbery, this time by the super rich, who are already even richer from trump's win. bloomberg billionaire index, morning after the election, daily ranking of the richest people. among the top ten -- elon musk, the world's richest person, the biggest gainer. wealth jumped a whopping $26.5

billion. amazon founder jeff bezos grew by $7.1 billion. the biggest daily increase since bloomberg's wealth index began in 2012. bill gates, warren buffett and their 12 friends added $64 million to their furtunes. makes since since none of them endorsed a candidate or why bezos defended his decision to withhold "the washington post" endorsement of kamala harris. and why elon musk, who arguably as done more than anyone to help elect trump put millions into maga coffers and bought twitter to make it the loudest maga

loudspeaker. this make america great is a cover to turn us into an oligarchy, an era of extreme deregulation, laws that keep big business in the driver's seat and labor in the back. tax cuts for the rich and super rich and privatizing everything, education to health care. so big corporations can charge you for it and go from billionaires to trillionaires. backed by the most prorich and procorporate supreme court in history, one that will probably get two new young members when thomas and alito step down, inevitably, maybe rename it money train day. america's new oligarchs did all of this by lying to working

class people of color and getting them to fight each other in the social media streets and ignore the real bad guys. the oldest tactic of white supremacy, working people scrape by for a piece of the pie while the rich eat the whole pie and laugh all the way to the bank. people who will suffer include many who voted for trump, hoping he would toss them some coins. joke's on them, too. fuelled by disinformation, racism, misinformation, apathy, america opened the bank vault and let the robbers in. brought to you by trump and the ruling oligarch class. i asked velshi and johnson to explain what they want to do. >> government contracts and regulation. musk and bezos have the

contracts. people canceled their subscriptions to "the washington post," forget about it. cancel your prime subscription first. but they have back end web things for government and space. that side of things. then the massive deregulation. a woman, 35 years old, head of the federal trade commission, not brought in new laws, just enforced laws on the books about keeping competition alive. everybody in business america hates her. she'll be gone, one assumes, soon enough. companies want to merge, take over other p companies, want no government in their business. big oil supported him. deregulation is the biggest part of this. wealth gains, never seen anything like it. but the control they'll have over the economy is going to be bigger. >> yeah, and david, what do the working-class people get out of

this? >> they get their pockets picked. we already have, as i've written about in economics books, a whole series of stealth ways that the government reaches in on behalf of wealthy people, take a penny here, quarter here, dollar somewhere else, and redistribute it to people at the top. there is one thing you said, joy, i want to address. it's very important. there is no such thing as deregulation. there is only reregulation which enhances the power of the oligarchs, shields them from responsibility for what they do, helps them get rid of competition so they have better than a monopoly, oligopoly, duoply, they can raise prices more than an monopolist.

that's the goal, and trump did not pass a tax cut law but a tax deferral into the future with interest because he financed it with borrowed money. that's not a tax cut. it is a deferral with interest. >> and the other piece of what they seem to want, the number of crypto people elected. crypto spent a lot of money to try to get this government they're going to get. crypto spent more than $130 million on the election. bitcoiners celebrate as $40 million in a campaign brought down one of the small anticrypto members of the united states senate. 253 pro-crypto candidates have been elected, 115 anti. they want to flip the dollar to a crypto currency, a pump and

dump? >> donald trump's entire company is a pump and dump. that's what is going on. big oil wants deregulation, drill, don't put rules, don't have a fake china hoax called climate change, all of that. all the way into tech and crypto. these are the things ahead of us we haven't figured out how to manage. they rather don't manage it, free economy, let it do what it has to do. but elon musk had the temerity to say openly that people are going to suffer a little bit. there's going to be a little bit of hardship, we'll get through it. there's no hardship coming for elon musk or jeff bezos, you all will have it. stock market had its best week all year. amazing. only the top 10% get more than half the benefits in the stock market. this whole system has been rigged under our noses for this to work. and unfortunately, these are not

the basis of the polarizing discussions we. had lot of people missed this, undoing regulation in this country for a while and that's going to happen as a result. they have free rein, four years, you can do a lot of damage in four weeks in the regulatory environment, let alone four years. >> and on top of that, david, they're going to fire tens of thousands of federal employees, which will increase unemployment, then do mass deportation. that's going to cost $968 billion in little more than a decade if they try to deport all 13 million undocumented immigrants in the united states. so the deficit skyrockets up. talk about what that does to the cost of everything, if you just delete 13 million people who are heavily centered in things like the agriculture and construction industry. i know they don't think the federal -- 50,000 federal bureaucrats are going to pick

lettuce. who is doing the work? you'll pay a lot more for food on top of the tariffs. your thoughts. >> pay a lot more for food and meat and lot of the people who came here without permission or limited permission that trump wants to remove have american-born children. we're not only separating families, but your property taxes will go up, they'll have to put lions of children into foster care and orphanages. and we'll pay the cost through taxes. and when children grow up like that, the likelihood of mental health and criminal problems in the future go up. the costs are way beyond the estimates of deporting people. and donald trump said it will be bloody. i don't see how it could be anything but that.

it is shooting yourself in the foot, maybe both feet, to do some of the things trump wants to do. if he goes all out doing project 2025, which steve bannon said, just like vladimir putin did after he conquered crimea, of course that's our plan. >> surprise. >> the damage for the people hurt will be so bad, we'll see a huge reversal in congress in two years. >> assuming we have elections. >> plenty of time to do damage between now and then. >> but you remember i carried around that project 2025 the entire time, all these people saying you're lying and gaslighting us, donald trump says it's not his plan. ink isn't dry and guess what, it's absolutely his plan. 180 days, that's what they say, january 20th. they're not going to get all of it done but they can get 60% done in 180 days, and we were

warned. >> and they have to do shock and awe. there's a reason that presidents try to do most of the big policies the first 100 days, taking advantage of the honeymoon but also shock and awe thing. and they've cooked in -- we'll talk more about this on monday -- they've gotten people of color to fight each other and not pay attention to each other, create hate among groups of color so when they do start hating people, putting people in camps, we have a hutu/tutsi world, people don't care. hurting undocumented people, other people of color won't care. >> and it's tried and true, worked throughout history. tell shiias you don't like sunnis, they were all married to each other, everything was fine. same thing in america, living together well until people told us these are black jobs, immigrant jobs, white jobs.

fantastic job getting people to fight with each other when as you put it well, they're looking for coins, and rich folks are taking the entire pie. that's exactly what happened here. while we were not watching someone has created what is perilously close to becoming an oligarchy. and david is correct. you don't have to be as obvious as vladimir putin, you can have three companies control the phone, you're going to pay more, but they pass off the idea you're going to suffer, we'll get through this. that's what they're telling us. thanks, guys. >> and once accidentally pulled across the border as if he wasn't an american citizen, that's going to come true. they're not going to do this with precision but meat ax approach. >> and also with denaturalization, meaning don't think because you have a green card and came through the right

way, if you're brown, you may not stick around. i don't think they care if you have a green card or not. they're taking people out whether you like it or not or whether you voted for them or not. surprise. ali, david, thank you very much. up next, it's time to talk about how we can all prepare for the presidency of donald trump 2.0. stay with us for the readout guide to navigating autocracy. c.

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we recognize that a second trump administration is filled with many unknowns. with just a couple of months before that begins, we wanted to provide you with the best possible information so you are prepared for whatever comes. some of you have questions about what will happen to women, what will happen to same-sex marriages, what will happen to low income people, what will mass deportation look like. donald trump says he plans to defund anything with dei in it. any city or police department that refuses to participate in mass deportations, and any schools that recognize transgender students and don't follow his patriotic mandates. i asked msnbc legal analyst joyce vance whether he can get away with all of that. >> i think we have to start by saying trump has a very aggressive, very broad agenda.

like everyone who goes into government, he will meet the reality you can only do a limited number of things. if everything is a priority, then you have no priorities. at some point even donald trump will be forced to pick. then in this specific area you're talking about, essentially withholding federal funding -- donald trump tried that before, threatened that in the past. he threatened the mayor of the city of seattle with pulling federal funds during the black lives matter marches, that era. and met with mixed success, frankly, because state and local officials, among all of us, are perhaps the most well positioned to push back. but if trump sets a top priority and decides to pull funding or public institutions or more likely private institutions that continue with it, he can probably push it forward with some level of success.

there will be court challenges and increasingly we see signs that the lawyers are well prepared and gearing up to be the heroes again. >> donald trump has talked about mass deportation and states like california, maryland, are saying they're going to protect people. how much can a governor like gavin newsom protect their residents? >> a lot. i've lived through this. in 2011, alabama passed what it billed as a deport yourself law, hb-56, that criminalized all sorts of previously legal behavior by people who were here without status. and american citizens who wanted to help them. that was a shot across the bow, but in reality, if you had a sheriff in a county who didn't want to call federal agents when they encountered people who couldn't prove their citizenship

status, it was difficult for the federal government to engage. even with willing officials, it's a question of resources. how many people can you detain, how quickly can courts process them? there's been some suggestion, it's included in project 2025, that trump would bring the military to bear to assist at the border. that has real legal dimensions to it. although i know we live in an era many people have lost confidence in the courts, this is something that lawyers will take to court. unless we abandon all principle, this inappropriate deployment of american troops on u.s. soil should be contested successfully in court. >> since donald trump will likely have control of the house and senate, his party, could they make it illegal for women to cross state lines to get an abortion? >> look, i think this is a tough one. i think that women need to be fully prepared for worst-case

scenarios to surface. whether that's done strictly on a state by state level, what the supreme court authorized in dobbs, or whether we see something national and darker. we could see enforcement of the comstock act which prohibits mailing any material that focuses on family planning. that's much broader than tools and drugs for abortion. that could extend to birth control and other measures. there are clearly forces in american society that believe this is a desirable result. this is an important time for american women to consider their options, including this risk. this is an issue that hasn't come up to the supreme court in this posture. can you limit people from crossing state lines, this court will have the opportunity to decide that issue. >> thank you, joyce vance. our guide to navigating

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these past few weeks the women of america have been forced to witness not only an adjudicated sexual abuser be elected president, but see him offer the highest levels of government to men who faced charges of their own.

attorney general, defense secretary, health and human services and efficiency czar, all accused of sexual misconduct and like the president-elect, denied them. this has added to the pain and fear that a lot of women are already facing. facing online abuse and harassment with phrases like "your body my choice," and "get back to the kitchen," surging across social media. and you probably have a lot of questions about what a second trump administration will mean for women, for reproductive care, birth control, ivf and no-fault divorce, and how to protect yourself throughout it. we want to provide you the best information so you're prepared to navigate it.

my good friend, thank you for being here. let's go through in order. first question a lot of people are asking, should women now be deleting that health app that tracks your periods and stockpiling things like plan b and even birth control pills, maybe getting an iud in advance of the trump administration coming into power? >> well, i think one thing, joy, all women should recognize, it depends on what state you're in first of all. we have roughly half the states of this country working in expanding protections for things like reproductive health and freedom, and we have states working very hard not just to take them away, have taken them away, but to consider ways to criminalize, not just reproductive health but whether you get to potentially help other people get reproductive health care they need. i think it's really important

for women to look at where they are and what their laws and protections are, and make those choices for themselves. but to your point, we have so many women and girls, remember, it's also young people, who are in states for which it will matter tremendously if the trump administration, incoming administration, does what project 2025 suggests it does. we have ever reason to believe it will. which is use the power of the executive branch to say we don't care if it 's safe, tested, and over half of women who have abortions use this medically proven, safe pill to control reproductive health and futures, we're going to say it's an obscenity to mail it to other states. for women it's incredibly important, a lot of women already are figuring out how to

get access and stockpile it. we also have to remember for all the women in states that do not have this fear, and there are many, we have to consider ways in which we are providing support networks for women who do. >> what are the risks of, you know, the administration not only enforcing the comstock act, which you described, making it illegal to mail, but also allow prosecution state to state. if you go from texas to new mexico and get abortion services, you return home and get prosecuted. what is the risk that even if they live in a blue state that's protected them still wind up prosecuted for helping a woman get an abortion? >> yeah, this is a place where we can't stop fighting. and women aren't. all our allies are. here's the thing, you've got straight to the heart of what's

at stake here with weaponizing government against our people and on fundamental rights. in the biden administration, the department of justice said when we had -- with two states passed laws that say we're going to call it a crime if you help a minor cross the border to get an abortion without the consent of the parents. they're trying very hard in that instance to skirt around the fact that we have a lot of recognition in our case law that you can't criminalize people crossing borders to do something they have a legal right to do. in this case they're being cute but the department of justice stood up and said we as the united states government believe that's wrong and unconstitutional, we're going to get involved. now imagine whoever donald trump ends up with leading the department of justice, who will be a yes person to anything donald trump wants, and this is

where it goes, you can imagine the federal government using its weight and resources to support the criminalization of people and women. that is devastating. >> two other quick questions. number one, what is the risk that clarence thomas will follow through on what he said he would like to do, also go after the supreme court ruling that made birth control legal? in other words returning that to the states so some could have birth control be illegal. what do you believe that no-fault divorce will also go away as a legal option for women? >> i think we can expect all the forces trying to impose religious belief on the bodies of women and girls to come hard for our rights. but here's the thing, whether or not we let them is the question. there are so many of us fighting to say no, you can't, no, you won't. states matter here. right now, we have a lot of

states protecting rights. we need those states to continue not just aggressively protect women in those states but women in those states protecting the half of women who are latina for example or black, who are in states that do not. remember it's also coming for health care access. cutting medicaid, this is basic health care. if they keep going for the fundamental rights, basic things we've all come to expect, things that some of the people who voted for this incoming administration don't believe it going to happen, we're going to have not just a world of hurt but of ger, and we're going to act. blue states fighting back, a coalition. pritzker, one of the governors spearheading the effort, joins me next.

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on day one, trump has promised to launch an operation similar to an eisenhower era program to remove migrant workers. we're starting to get a clearer picture. nbc news is reporting that the trump transition team is looking for space in jails and assessing which areas might need temporary

facilities to detain migrants as part of the plan. stephen miller has proposed sending national guard from red to blue states to enforce the policy. and his incoming border czar says it includes deporting citizens. for those concerned that the party concerned with state rights are sending people to states to deport people, the private prison industry's gains can ease your worries, their stocks are rising. republicans will control the house and the senate, meaning they will fully own the consequences of trump's policies until the midterms. and that federal trifecta means that the 15 democratic trifectas at state level will serve as one

of the only bulwarks against trump's agenda. in an effort to solidify that resistance, the democratic governors and mayor launched an initiative to save democracy. i asked governor pritzker if they can keep them from building internment camps. >> we have prohibited the use of existing county jails or prisons for the purpose of rounding people up and detaining them. i want to be clear there are circumstances in which the federal government and state governments should work together to allow deportation, an example, somebody convicted of a violent crime. but they're talking about rounding up people who are law-abiding, undocumented immigrants in this country, many of whom are working, paying

taxes, not getting any benefits from the taxes, i might add. we have a law on the books in the state of illinois crawled the trust act, which prohibits our local law enforcement and sheriffs and the light from coordinating with the federal authorities. but we can't prohibit federal law enforcement from coming into our state to conduct raids or do anything else like that. meanwhile, i think it would be very difficult for them to just spread out across the country. they don't have enough manpower within the department of homeland security to carry that out. i'm going to do everything i can to protect our undocumented immigrants, the residents of our state. and i also, obviously, need to make sure that whatever they're doing in our state, the federal government, it is within federal law or state law for them to do it. >> is there -- in the state of

illinois, is there federal property that a trump administration could simply say we don't care what you say, what your laws say, governor pritzker, we are going to build internment camps in your state with that property? >> as far as i'm concerned, there is nothing like that in the state of illinois. when we had the problem of the very inhumane shipping of migrants from the state of texas to illinois, i went to the federal government and said we need a place to put them because we may run out of places, can you provide us with locations that the federal government may own that we could use, and there really isn't anything like it. you can imagine in a situation of detainment and mass deportation, there isn't anything that exists like that. >> let me go through this.

15 states that have democratic trifectas, controlling both houses and the governorship. illinois ranks fourth after california, new york and new jersey. illinois has 400,000 known undocumented people. and the economic impact of trying to force the removal of those people, 30% of construction trades such as plasterers, roofers and painters are alleged undocumented. 28% of graders and sorters of agriculture products, 25% of housekeeping cleaners, it would cost your state a great deal of money and your economy i assume a lot if these workers were ripped out of illinois, no? >> it's true, and many of these folks are working today. they are paying taxes. >> every one i just mentioned

are. >> that's right. paying taxes, not getting benefits from it. the taxes getting paid are of great interest, you can imagine, to the country and the state of illinois. but look, i think it's important for us to recognize here that what the federal government is looking to do at this point looks like it may be unconstitutional. we will see, we have attorneys general working on these issues within the courts, but we governors need to share ideas across state lines. we have a trust act for example, other states don't. you talked about 15 states with trifectas, don't forget that governors in other states that don't have a trifecta still have executive orders they can carry out. >> sure. >> and that is very valuable. being able to share these ideas between one state and another, i think, is a hugely beneficial thing in this moment. now, i also want to say, we're going to work with the trump

administration on other issues. i'm sure there are things we might be able to work together on. but the fact is this governors organization we put together is intended to allow us to get the best ideas not just from each other but from outside organizations to make sure we're addressing the most serious violations we think might be coming from the federal government. >> i want to note for the audience, mass deportation will cost more than building 40,450 new elementary cools around the country, constructing over 2.9 million new homes, funding head start for more than 79 years, buying a brand new car for millions of people. and potential litigation, do you have confidence in the united states supreme court to push back or overrule a trump administration given that john roberts ruled that donald trump

would have unlimited powers? >> i don't have full confidence, but i must say i'm hopeful. we don't know how they'll react to some of the policies that have never been seen before in the united states. again, i'm hopeful, but i'm not sure i could count on it. >> yeah. >> attorneys general will be dealing with the courts, governors, we have the ability to enforce the law, make sure we're passing laws and putting them in place, and executive orders. those things we're working hard on. >> governor jb pritzker, thank you very much, best of luck. up next, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez joining me on what voters want. stay with us. with us

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of all the confunding results in this last election, perhaps the strangest phenomenon was the surprising number of people who voted for democrats downballot and checked off donald trump for president. that was the case in this section of new york, people voting for donald trump and for alexandria ocasio-cortez, aoc. while the democratic party is reeling from the results, alexandria ocasio-cortez is doing something a lot of d.c. folks aren't, taking to social media to figure out why it

happened. >> if you voted for donald trump and me, or if you voted for donald trump and voted democratic downballot, i would really love to hear from you. this is not a place of judgment, i'm not going to put your stuff on blast, anything like that, dunk on it. that's genuinely not the intent here. i actually want to learn from you, hear what you were thinking, and just want to hear from you. >> i talked to congress ocasio-cortez about the responses. >> there's a lot of different things we saw. first of all, it's important to note that democrats oftentimes when we lose elections we think we lost to trump. and that is true in circumstances, but they don't look enough at the fact we also lost people to the couch. we have two people we're running

against. so a lot of people say this is why i voted for you and trump, and some people say this is why i didn't vote or didn't vote top of the ticket. >> skipped the top of the ticket, by the way, there's been a lot of paranoia that democrats won statewide while kamala harris lost. i keep trying to tell people, voters go in and just vote the top, trump voters just want trump, don't care about republicans, and the reverse, i'll not vote top of ticket but vote everybody else. >> right. and i think we saw some of that as well. for people who split their ticket, i think a lot of people cited different things -- one is there is universal frustration in this country, much of it i actually think justified, that is raging at a political establishment that centers corporate interests, billionaires, and puts their needs ahead of the needs of

working americans. and we know that we can either channel this righteous rage -- because there are people s.n.a.p. was cut off, but they're seeing elon musk get tax breaks and kissing up to donald trump to do so. >> so why vote for donald trump. >> that's the question. >> makes no sense. >> part of that is we're still in the process of going through the data. it's important to say that. and it's important to say the people rushing to say let me give you my grand theory of what is going on. >> the problem is you went too woke -- sorry, kamala harris was running with liz cheney at her side, that's not woke. >> if we have an election november 5th and november 6th

you have an answer, do not listen to those people. >> cosigned. >> we should have the humility of saying this is an ongoing learning process. however there is something to be said, it doesn't matter that he's lying, he's saying i'm fighting for you. in all of this debate people are talking about with the woke thing, right, oh, my gosh, it's because we care about trans people. that's why there was backlash. >> only donald trump cared about trans people, he was running $130 million worth of ads. the harris campaign said nothing about the issue. >> and not to deny the fact the ads were effective in certain areas, people are paying too much attention to the first part of the ad that said kamala harris is for they/them. everyone is focusing on that, not on the second half of that ad where he said donald trump is

for you. >> yeah. >> and democrats very often ofte new market is a race to convince a person to about who cares about you more picnics thank you to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez but that is tonight's readout. you can follow me on instagram and follow our show accounts on instagram and tiktok, and also on bluesky. finally there, too. enjoy your holiday weekend, i will see you back here on monday. >> [ music ] . >> [ music ]