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good morning. it is saturday, november 30th. i'm elise menendez with michael steele. we learn new details about high cost of trump's planned tariffs. former congressman tim ryan is at the table. then anti-vaccine activist, largely untested in fighting disease outbreaks, warning from the medical community. hundreds of thousands are ditching x for a friendlier, less toxic platform. the coo of bluesky joins the conversation. grab your coffee, settle in. welcome to "the weekend." ♪ ♪ we begin with new details about the canadian prime minister with donald trump at mar-a-lago. it is reported that justin

trudeau traveled to florida to discuss plans to slap 25% tariffs on the country. that must have been a fun conversation. trudeau had dinner with trump last night but did not stay at mar-a-lago overnight. the meeting comes four days after trump threatened steep tariffs on canada and mexico. it won't just cost our two biggest trading partners. the move could lead to sticker shock for americans at the grocery store and the gas pump and even the increase in the price of a new car. joining us now former ohio congressman and my buddy tim ryan. it is a pleasure to have you at the table. >> i love the thanksgiving vibes. >> we have the game today. we have to be ready. >> yes, we do. >> here is the thing about the tariffs. i don't know whether to deal with them on the face as a true economic face or look at them as a reminder of what the next four years will be like where he

identifies a problem that's not a problem or a problem being addressed, and then he claims victory over the problem. >> i think the tariff thing, i think when you come from ohio, the industrial states, even on the east coast, like trade, nafta, these issues devastated communities. factories moved over the border, so the idea of a tariff for a working class person is like, yeah, we got to figure out how to make this system right. but the reality, obviously, is you have different. targeted tariffs on steel dumping from china is one thing. across-the-board tariffs are terrible for the economy and bad for consumers, but he sees everything through a political lens. it will be interesting to see how it plays out because they're all in charge. >> right. now, let's pick up where "the new york times" left off where it says the basis of tracking mr. trudeau's plane is intends

as a direct effort by my trudeau that he has a plan to address mr. trump's tariff's plans and tariffs should be avoided for the sake of both country's economies. he got on a plane and flew to mar-a-lago, for what? you have people in trump world saying, oh, well, this is just trump sort of positioning and he is just posturing, he doesn't really mean it, he just wants to draw people out. >> look, the man has a 1950s view of our economy, period. he is stuck in that time where tariffs was for some reason his thing. what do you -- from trudeau's perspective, what do you think going down there now will achieve for him than just keeping his behind in canada and dealing with it? >> i mean you have to go and sit with him. there's no way around it. that's why i think when he got elected trudeau was like, oh, god, i've got to go down and talk to him, he is the president of the united states. i've got to go talk to him.

i think it is just trying to keep that line of communication open. trump wants to be liked, wants to be loved. if he can feel like trudeau and others, ma crone, this will go throughout europe and the world, they got to kiss the ring a little bit. >> here is the thing. he is framing this as a border conversation but, as you said, being from ohio it is not necessarily where you feel the impact of these tariffs. this from "the new york times" about the auto industry. the prospect of tariffs is a two-alarm fire for the auto industry, said patrick anderson, chief executive of anderson economic group, a consulting firm in michigan. there's probably not a single assembly plant in michigan, ohio, illinois and texas that would not immediately be affected by a 25% tariff. i want to make it real to folk what this means. the amount of produce we get from mexico. you like your modelo, your corona, it is going to become more expensive.

vehicles, yes, they may be manufactured in mexico but the volvo is more expensive than before. >> terribly inflationary. anyone with economics 101 can understand this will drive the price up for people. i don't know if he cares. >> even in an election that's the reason people said they could not vote. >> that's the world we live in. but he is coming in, he will take on the bad actors. i think the underlying problem is here we have to recognize, at least from the democratic side, how traumatized people are from the last 40 years of the de industrialization. until you understand that you don't understand donald trump, but they vote for him because he's the guy that's going to flip this system. they don't quite understand if it is tariffs, taking on the bad guys, the border. they just know the system has not worked for them, probably didn't work for their parents and it doesn't look good for their kids or grandkids. so this strong guy stuff, it works. >> but what is he flipping it to?

i mean you aptly framed it as the de-industrialization and it started with clinton and nafta and we can go through the whole history and everybody knows the impact of all of that. in that time period we have gone from manufacturing to consumerism. the very people who are upset are more interested in consuming goods than they are manufacturing those goods, particularly given the way our economy is shaping up. so what is he actually offering people that leads them to believe that somehow, like in the coal industry, yes, we are going to send our grandkids back into the coal mines. well, that's not happening. >> right. >> and the level of manufacturing with its -- as we've seen in the current administration's efforts is limited to some degree because of the nature of how our economies are now rebalanced. >> yeah. >> i mean what's the case that's being made to people? what do they think happens with

all of this? >> i don't think it gets that far. i think it gets to he understands our anxiety, our trauma that we've been through, and any solution is better than what we're currently doing. we dropped the ball because democrats are reindustrializing the country. this is the first industrial policy this country has had in 40 or 50 years with the ira, the batteries, you know, all of the clean energy stuff, the infrastructure bill and the chips act which is hitting ohio. we will have a $100 billion investment. we are reindustrializing and we are not getting credit for it. in two months it will be trump is bringing back the chip manufacturing back. because he is going to go out and market it. like the old carter aide used to say about the democrats, you show up at a gunfight with a ten-point policy plan.

it is about leading them to whatever your ideas are, bill clinton did it, obama did it, but we let it slip through our fingers. trump meets you where you are and he channels the anxiety and angst with simple answers to what it may be. >> if you are hakeem jeffries and becomes chair of the dnc, what do you do? >> you start with a complete reset. we need a rebrand. i think you and i have been talking about this since 2016. our brand is toxic in so many places and it is like, you are a democrat? that's the stuff we get like in ohio. so it needs -- we need a complete reboot. we need a complete reboot with the dnc. we need a complete rebranding. we have to get back established into our values. what does it mean to be a democrat? people want to trust us. they don't want to go to donald trump. i'm telling you, the middle-of-the-road people, they're holding their nose to vote for him but we didn't give

them enough like we are reindustrializing, we are talking about american competitiveness. we are moderate on things like natural gas in western p.a. which ended up being a big issue which we can't be for natural gas replacing coal. we are in a big fight with the crypto industry. what are we doing? why are we in a fight with crypto right now? we are the party of the middle class, gay, straight, black, brown, north, south, if you are a working class person the democratic party is for you. here is how we will rebuild the future. we will reshore chips. we have a battery plant outside youngstown, 2,000 autoworkers, got a great contract, $30 an hour, good benefits and good retirement. we did that. if we can't reclaim that, and if it means saying no to some of the issues like, we're with you on the issues but we have to lead with the economy.

we have to lead with growth. the other thing that i think is really big, we can't be for solely redistribution. we are going to tax the bad guys who are rich, which we want people to aspire to make money in america. we will tax them because they're really bad people and we're going to give you money. no, it is about growing the pie. it is about getting back to you want -- it is the bill clinton campaign. it is the modern democratic campaign. look at the touchstone. reinventing government. we let elon musk and vivek take on reinventing government, the whole world knows that the american government is broken. immigration is broken. health care is broken. education is broken. every system we have is broken. we had no reinventing program. here comes musk. >> this is a matter they don't have a plan, they're stating it as a priority. >> they're acknowledging the problem which i think is huge. so acknowledge that problem. reinventing government. welfare to work.

you know, more of a class mobility system around getting into college and aid, not just race but class. like all poor people should have opportunities to get into school. white, black, brown, gay, straight, man, woman, we have to be for everybody. i think rebuilding the industrial base in the country appeals to most everybody. >> one final point on that and i think it is important in terms of how you are looking at it, because the democratic party is largely comprised of a group of constituencies, a bunch of different constituencies, aligning the constituencies is oftentimes a very ticklish thing to do. >> an impossibility? >> an impossibility. so you need to develop that through line, you need the cord, if you will, that sort of ties those constituencies so it is not that issue or that issue above another. it is the thing that connects all of those constituencies to being a democratic. >> uh-huh. >> because right now the rest of

the country looks at it and just sees this amalgam of different voices all screaming different things that they don't want to hear or they can't identify with, and therefore that disconnect continues. >> yeah, i think the idea that the world is changing, it is changing rapidly. you could talk about the different technologies. you can talk about the economy. you can talk about trade. you can talk about the rise of the -- any kind of new way of viewing the world. the democratic party needs to be the party to say, we know how difficult this is for you and we're going to help you get through it and you are going to be able to take your health care wherever you go as the market is shifting. we're going to make sure that, you know, child care is affordable for you and elder care is affordable. like we don't -- >> because people want those things. >> well, but we say we're going to tax them and give you this. that's not what they want. they want, i want the do my own thing, i want to navigate this world but i need you to help me navigate it. until we become the party that

says, we're with you every step of the way as you and your family are trying to meet the demand of this crazy world, with kids, parents, grandparents, you know, the economy shifting, technology, we want to help you understand that and we want to give you the skills you need so it is not a four-year college degree, like we jumped all in with the brand of like wealthy elites when we went in on the college loan. what about, you know, a super pell grant for skills, for certifications? you know, we want to help you navigate this world. k-12 education needs revamped. honestly, i know rfk has this weird stuff going on. what he is talking about on the food front, on the agricultural subsidy front, spot on. we should probably try to find a couple of issues we can work with these guys on too so we don't just look like the party that's not for anything. >> we are actually talking about that next. please, our producers have a kyron that says, he has some weird stuff going on. >> breaking it down.

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when the next pandemic strikes americans will again depend on senior health officials to steer the nation's response and reassure the public. the team trump has asum sembled untested, and has often questioned vaccines and other interventions over seen by the agencies they're tapped to oversee. michael ulsterhol tells "the washington post," we need the best science and the best public health practice to come forward. i'm not confident at this point this administration can do that.

>> joining us, dr. uche blackstock. good morning to you, dr. blackstock. >> thank you for having me. >> good morning, dr. blackstock. we had former congressman tim ryan on just now who referred to this as a lot of weird stuff with rfk jr. and this health team that the president -- incoming president's putting together. we you are looking at this assemblage of folks who i would argue are misaligned with the mission of caring for our nation's health care, what are some of the concerns that are top of mind for you when looking at not just a potential microbe that may disrupt things a year from now or two years from now, but just setting all of this up and going through what they're saying they're going to do, what does it make you think? >> right. so i will just step back a little bit and say that when you look at our public health infrastructure compared to other high-income countries we have a

long way to go. so the fact that we are putting folks in these leadership positions who have very little clinical experience, research experience or even governmental experience makes things very, very concerning for me. i think when you look at these picks, they are a mix. some are more concerning than others. you know, some have, you know, served in congress, some are practicing physicians, but others have no public health background at all and they're leading agencies that make decisions about our vaccine immunization schedule, that approve drugs. so i think we have to step back and see, you know, what is going to happen and how can we mitigate the potential harm that these picks pose. >> there is this from "the washington post." trump's former fda commissioner warning rfk jr. could, quote, cost lives if confirmed.

we are going to start seeing epidemics of diseases that have been long-been vanquished. god forbid we see polio. here is the thing. a lot of people like tackling the system and reorienting that doesn't need to be at the expense of ignoring the science. there seems to be an opportunity to balance both. >> when you compare to peer nations, we have the highest chronic disease. we could be doing so much better. we could still be ready for the next pandemic and still have systems that function in a way to improve health outcomes like obesity, right. but the question is what are we going to have to do in the next four years to make sure that both those landscapes are

covered. >> so you have on twitter, for example, the former surgeon general, jerome adams, making note of vaccine confidence. >> yes. >> needs to stay high. whooping cough cases up five times this year, 100,000 global measles death, mostly in kids. h5n1 steamrolling toward pandemic status, egg prices skyrocketing. this gives you this sense of what's coming when you have someone in mind to run an organization like our health care system who says, you know, back in 2013 that the cdc's, you know, fascism is basically fascist and likened vaccining children to abuse by the catholic church. i'm sitting here thinking to myself, that's not health care

policy, that's pta fanatism. how do those in the research area -- i have a niece in the research area in biology, and their concern is a genuine concern that not only does it impact the science but it impacts the resources that you need to do the science. >> right. and i see it like -- i see it as, you know, what happens in a systemic level in terms of policy but also what happens in terms of how these leaders were influencing trust in institutions. so this whole issue of vaccine mistrust, we know, we saw it rear its ugly head in 2020 and we know that people, a lot of people don't have faith in our institutions including our health care institutions. i do think this is an opportunity for researchers, clinicians, physicians like myself to really speak to the public in a way that they get it. i say this because i don't think

we have always been great about this. we are in our silos. you know, we saw in 2020, 2021 a dynamic situation with covid-19. things were changing day to day. it was information overload. this is an opportunity for us to think about how can we translate what we do in our exam rooms, in our research labs, how can we communicate with the public in a way to make them understand and to gain their trust. >> but a lot of that comes down to money, right? >> yes. >> i think the other thing to understand is a lot of these folks are going to manage budget and they're going to decide how money gets spent. >> right. >> if you want to continue to be competitive when it comes to the vaccines, if you want to have high levels of access, it also matters it remains a priority. >> absolutely. the senate will confirm some of these picks. i think it is on us to make sure that these senators truly understand what could be done if these folks get confirmed. what -- i think that we need to

make sure they understand, you know, the impact. so rfk jr. said when he comes into office that he is going to fire 600 nih employees, right? who else is going to come in those places, right? these are people, careers, people who have been in nih for a very long time. they need more funding. they need more support. they don't need to be replaced. >> if you are firing 600 people doing research at nih, who is going to do the research? >> right. >> are you just now abandoning the research all together? >> right, exactly, or reprioritizing what you think is important. that's just from infectious disease, chronic disease, like we talked about before. it is not necessarily a bad thing but we can meet in the middle, right. i do think that there is an issue of transparency and one of rfk jr.'s concern is this relationship between the health care industry, pharma. >> sure. >> and the fda, right.

how can we really make that more transparent for the public so they understand like, you know, what is happening. so i do think this is an opportunity for us to do better about informing the public about these relationships. >> okay. dr. blackstock, you are staying with us. we want to turn our attention to the threat trump's picks pose to women's health care. you are watching "the weekend." no middleman. hurry in for black friday deals up to 70% off. why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn. my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis symptoms kept me... out of the picture. now i have skyrizi. ♪ keeping my plans, i'm feeling free. ♪ ♪ control of my uc means everything to me. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪

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move from the standard of care and reach for options that expose patients to risk and undermining the health care doctors are provide in the country. you have reported droves of doctors leaving states like that. >> right. undermining the patient/physician relationship, they are scared about what is going to happen legally to them, that they will be arrested. the fact is a lot of the restrictive abortion laws are not very clear to the physician. >> correct. >> so they are confused as to weigh this can and can't do as opposed to making sure they do what is right for the patient. there is a federal law called mtala. it basically says if you have a patient who is miscarrying, bleeding, that you can perform what's considered an abortion procedure to save the life of that patient, right. almost all ers receive medicare funding so all emergency departments are required to do

that, but there's so much confusion among physicians as to what they can and can't do. >> even where there are bright lines and, you know, full exposure on the abortion issue, i give you what we saw in missouri where you have, you know, there voters making the decision affirmatively to protect reproductive health. you have the a.p. reporting that missouri's gop attorney general says abortions after viability remain illegal under their new amendment, missouri's republican attorney general has pledged to enforce some laws restricting abortion despite a new constitutional amendment widely expected to undo the state's near total ban on the procedure. so even in the face of voters saying this is what we want, you have elected officials who are deciding otherwise.

so the space still is very difficult even when you think you have a win for women's health, ee lected officials say well, we'll think about that. >> exactly. they're going against the ill of the people. what we are seeing as you mentioned earlier is people are rushing to their physicians and providers so they can have ownership over their body. they're getting more iuds placed, they're asking for plan b, other forms of contraception. the other issue is a lot of the states with abortion bans and restrictive policies are the states with the worst maternal health outcomes. >> you have seen what is happening where there are a bunk of committees who oversee the practices that have now been disbanded. you have in texas, the committee examining maternal deaths in first years after the abortion. that sounds like data, but if you don't have the data how are you supposed to be assessing

whether or not public health is working. >> exactly. there's two years of data that they say they don't have the resources to go through after the abortion ban. >> convenient. >> right, convenient. >> so how can we know what the impact of that ban has been on maternal mortality, right? >> they don't want to know. >> right, exactly. >> she was trying to leave it subtle -- >> he's like, no. >> let's put it on the table. that's what it is. >> i mean that is so incredibly egregious. i don't even know how that could be the case, that you can say we're going to ignore two years of data after the abortion ban on maternal mortality. >> are there organizations that are trying to take that data into account and try to -- because officials won't do it, are third parties looking for ways to do it? >> yeah, i mean there are some local departments of health can do it. >> right. >> but on a smaller level. but we need to see statewide what is going to happen. >> yeah. okay. thank you, dr. uche blackstock.

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how was your thanksgiving? >> my thanksgiving was wonderful. >> uh-huh. >> it was -- i did the turkey. >> uh-huh. >> i got it brined up and we put it in the oven and it surprised me. she cooked quick. it was quick. >> got to be careful. >> i'm settling down for a three-and-a-half, four-hour deal. i'm like two-and-a-half hours, i'm look, oh, okay, let's take it out. it was good. a lot of fun. family came over. it was kind of chill. had the bar open. >> do you talk politics at your family thanksgiving? >> oh, no, baby girl. no, no, no, no! you know, we were so happy, it was he who shall not be mentioned was not mentioned at all the entire afternoon into the evening and that was with drinks flowing. >> that is an accomplishment in itself. >> that's how you do it. >> while you and you were enjoying our turkey the prime

minister of canada was making his way to florida. >> he was. and i get it. i get what tim ryan was saying about, yeah, you got to go do the thing. i would have done it from canada. you know, look -- >> yeah, sheinbaum took her call from mexico. >> exactly. you know, it is like i think this playing into donald trump's ego is part of the problem and, you know, bullies bully, and we know he's going to do whatever he is going to do. you just got to draw the line with him. but, you know, canada has to figure out for itself, and he figured it would be smart to go down to florida and spend time and hopefully not get donald trump to do the thing he's going to do anyway. >> i was reading through sort of trudeau's read-out how he said it went. one of the things that it is important to understand is when donald trump makes statements like that he plans on carrying them out. >> okay. what's the -- >> here is the thing. there's almost like go ahead.

25% tariff on these goods? >> yeah. >> during -- in the aftermath of an election where people were saying, the price of goods -- >> yeah. >> -- the cost of living is my motivation for coming out to vote. >> so my question, my question to trudeau is what did you put on the table to tell him he needs to back off of stupid, and then what do -- >> maybe a calculator. let me explain to you. >> draw a map for you. >> what it is going does you here. >> a 25% increase will be a 30% increase on the cost of good. the reality to your point of where the voters are, they -- and tim said this as well. someone understands their pain and their problem. well, he is going to bring more pain with this policy. it is not a policy that alleviates the economic struggle you are in. it exacerbates it. the thing about it is, again, i just don't know if people really fully appreciate how interconnected all aspects of

our economy are. it is not just leveling a tariff on produce or on manufactured goods. it is the ripple effect. how that impacts the supply chain of other goods and services. so, you know, when you want to play the tariff game, there's going to be a price that the american people are going to pay and, you know, i guess trudeau is trying to get ahead of that a little bit. but i appreciate where the president of mexico, she is like -- >> let me tell you what actually happened on that call. next, the democratic national committee will soon have a new leader. we will talk to the co-chair of the dnc rules committee about that. this is "the weekend." ."

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the field could grow as other heavy hitters consider bids. outgoing chair harrison said in a statement this week, quote, electing the chair and dnc officers is one of the most important responsibilities of the dnc membership and our staff will run an inclusive and transparent process that gives members the opportunity to get to know the candidates as they prepare to cast their votes. the co-chair of the dnc and chief of staff, laura ry is here with us. >> good morning. >> i wrote a piece that said, quote, the next dnc chair must have a grounded understanding of where the country is and what it is telling the party. the country needs to understand

the middle of the country matter as much as the east owe west coast, the south as much as the north. the dnc needs a chair that understands how to win across the country. a lot of elements going into that process of understanding the country. what do you see, what are will you be looking for in the next chairperson to lead the party? because there's a lot of incoming noise. >> uh-huh. >> but i think people are going to over think this. i have a fear that that could very much happen. this is not that complicated a pathway to turning an important corner to set up 2026. >> you know, what the next chair has to do is basically four things. one, they are the chief messenger for the party. so helping the party crat ft a message that relays what the values are so the american people see themselves as the democratic party.

the second thing, they're the chief strategist. what is the strategy to win, harking back to howard dean with the 50-state strategy where he made an affirmative decision we would leave no stone unturned. the third thing is they're the chief cheerleader. particularly after losing elections like this, i go back to terry mcauliffe after gore v. bush and what he had to do to rally the troops and get us off our couches and make us believe in the party again. the fourth thing is the cleanup job. there's a lot that has to be done to clean up the party. >> clean come on aisle 19. >> i'm looking forward to hearing the candidates talk about how they're reaching voters in every single state, how they're not leaving anyone behind or taking anyone for granted. that's a really important thing when you consider that 8 million people who voted last time didn't vote this time. we lost through the couch.

>> yeah. >> how do you get people off the couch, and you have to have an appealing message, an appealing strategy to do that. >> i think you have someone who can do that but we'll save that conversation for later. >> no, no, go right ahead, sir. >> no, i'm not going to get this brother in trouble. >> all right. we'll get it out of him later. one of the candidates out there talking, martin o'malley, said in an interview with news, we have to change to win, it is not a time for a caretaker dnc chair, it is a time for a change maker. the good news for us is what that change involves is returning to our true selves, the party of the working families and the hopes, dreams and aspirations of hard-working people who want to give their kids a better life. i understand you are talking about specific individuals, but this idea of not needing a caretaker, needing a change maker, is that how you see it? >> it depends on what kind of change you are talking about because it is not clear to me the bulk of the american people, when you look at the down ballot races we did okay in the down

ballot. it was at the top of the ticket we lost the message and we lost the strategy. so i'm trying to parse through these candidates and what amount of change are they talking about, because there's so much -- so many hot takes and so much cotton candy noise about identity politics and what the base needs or not, as if whiteness is not its own -- >> i was going to say, being white is identity politics. >> folks are saying let's leave our base behind to cater to a bunch of people who were already catered to in terms of message, in terms of spending, in terms of attention. i'm looking for a balance there. i'm looking for someone who will be able to do both things and chew gum at the same time. >> so, yeah, there's something about gum that, you know, can be a little bit nasty, too. so you have bernie sanders tweeting on monday, if the democratic party is to become a democratic party the first job of the new dnc chair is to get the super pac money out of

democratic primaries and aipac and other billionaire-funded super-pacs cannot be allowed to select the candidate. they don't. they typically don't put it into the dnc chair race. that to me is short-sided thinking about where the landscape is. one thing has very little to do with the other. super pacs and all of those guys play in elections and campaigns. that's a different conversation than running for chairman and telling the people who are going to write checks, we don't want you writing checks. >> yeah. you're absolutely right with all due respect to senator sanders, you know. you might want to join the party if you want to have some -- >> well, there is that. >> so, you know, just on its face that's a little problematic for me. now, in terms of the money, look, it is not the dnc's issue.

you're exactly right, mr. chairman, that kind of money is in local races, in state races, and the laws vary by state. for the dnc to spend its time and energy on what state a says verse what state b says versus what state c says doesn't make any sense for me. there's so much work for the next chair to do it would not be in the top ten things i focus on. >> or 11 or 12. >> this is 50. >> there was a comment in that statement from outgoing chair harrison about what this needs to look like, this race. he said it needs to be inclusive and transparent as a process. at a time when there's just a mistrust in institutions, there's a lot of frustration among rank and file with the party infrastructure, how do you create a process as someone on the rules committee that is inclusive, that is transparent, that people come out feeling good and feeling like they can

rally and unify behind whoever this is? >> you start with exactly what we're doing. on december 12th we will set the rules for the race that allows anyone and everyone who wants to run to understand what the thresholds are. they have to have 40 signatures. that's what we're proposing. but that's first step. make a set of rules that are transparent that anyone who wants to run can see, read and decide if they can adhere to those. once that is done we will have four forums across the country in january. i is had the privilege willing of running the process in 2017 so i know a little bit about it. you have these forums across the country, they will be in person and virtual and anyone can go to them and listen to the candidates talk about their platform, talk about their proposals and how they intend to be the changemaker that we need in this moment. they will have an election on february 1st with secret ballots for the 448 dnc members, that's

who vote. there's a lot of talk about what members of congress want. it is the 448 members who have been elected in their states to represent the democratic party. those are the people who are going to be making decisions. any american can call their dnc members and say, here is what i think, here is what you ought to do. it is public information and we hope to have the general public giving us feedback. >> so we have less than a minute level, but i want to level up with you. we had a conversation with tim ryan at the top of the hour and laid out along the same lines you just did. i liken all of this to a through line. whoever the dnc chairman is has to recognize they are the chair of a coalition within the party. they have to define this through line that connects the coalitions one to the other so that they all look up and say, i'm big d, i'm a democrat regardless of where i am on the progressive side of things, the

center right, the center left or even the more conservative side. do you see that happening? is that possible with this party given the results of this election? >> absolutely. >> and what the people said? >> i think it is absolutely possible if people will stop with the hot takes and stop with, you know, what happened, what they thought on november 6th, which is very different from what we know now. let the data come in. let's do the work of understanding what happened and then you can create this through line. again, we are not trying to change what the democratic party's values are. what we lost is conveying those values to the everyday voter to help them understand we are the party of working people, that we believe everybody ought to have a chance, everybody ought to have an opportunity, and this we care for each other in good times and bad times. those are basic values of the democratic party and we didn't do a good job in conveying that to the vast majority of americans. >> well, you know, that's true. different results if you had, right? >> lea daughtry, y'all need to

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