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good morning, it's saturday, november 30th, 51 days until donald trump second inauguration, and he's already making moves that could initiate a damaging global trade war, literally the day he assumes office. he's announced plans to impose tariffs that will likely result in higher costs for consumers and widespread effects on the economy and the job market. no surprises, however, for months, donald trump proclaimed that tariff is the most beautiful word in the english dictionary. he suggested it could be the solution to nearly everything from funding the tax cuts that he wants to enact to subsidizing childcare costs and repeatedly vowed to impose
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blanket tariffs on all imported goods although those campaign promises were often vague and inconsistent. but now, he's the president elect, he's begun to roll out more concrete plans that probably should be taken more seriously. on monday, he posted on true social, he will quote, charge mexico and canada a 25% tariff on all products coming into the united states. he adds, this turf will remain in effect until such time as drugs in particular, fentanyl, and all illegal aliens stop this invasion of our country,". there's a lot to unpack but let's start with what terrorists are, they are a tax on imports, and on their own, they are neither good nor bad, they can be beneficial or destructive, depends on how they are employed. they can also be used as a tool of trade diplomacy, they can help a country protect its industries and jobs at home from competitors abroad particularly those who are treating america unfairly and it could also encourage americans to buy domestic goods over foreign ones. parents can force another country to increase their wages
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or improve their workers rights protections or improve their efforts to mitigate climate change but as it stands, trump appears to want to wield tariffs like a sledgehammer than a stiletto and to use them to dismantles -- dismantle the relationships with two of our most important trading partners, canada and mexico and it could blow up the usmca, that's the free trade agreement that replaced nafta which trump himself signed, during his first term in office. he's long insisted that other countries will end up paying for the increase cost of the service but most experts agree that they simply result in companies passing the cost on to consumers. in this case, american consumers. we've already seen this happen before under a trump administration, back in 2018, the implemented steep tariffs
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on washing machines imported from other countries and soon after that was announced, the manufacturer, lg, which is one of the top five biggest companies in all of south korea, raised the prices of washing machines as expected, to cover the cost of the tabs. other foreign companies also followed suit. the 2019 study found the cost of washing machines rose by about $86 per unit, due to the tariff but it had not -- the study also found appliance retailers raise the price of things like dryers, the cost of which rose by $92 unit except get this, there were no tariffs on dryers. but tariffs can be confusing, some companies took advantage of the fact that american consumers expected the price of appliances, not just washers, to go up and the fact that domestic companies which didn't face any tariffs at all like whirlpool, also raised the prices of their appliances. so american consumers were harmed at every turn but that's just one side of the pain, there's more. after they imposed tariffs on china in 2018, china retaliated by placing tariffs on soybean
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experts -- exports from the united states and had a hugely negative impact on american farmers. as a result, soybeans lost more than 75% of their export value in the year following the tariff, according to the usda, and china turned to other countries like brazil to provide them with soybeans and that was a huge blow to american farmers who ultimately had to get bailed out by the us government or think about it this way, by you, the us taxpayer. if he follows through on this day one plant offers a 25% tariff on all products from mexico and canada, the same thing could happen again but on a much larger scale. for example, one of the top imports from mexico last year was cars and other types of vehicles, since many companies have moved their manufacturing operations to mexico in recent years but another one of mexico's top imports his car
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parts. the vehicle manufacturing process involves many components from across the entire north american continent which means that even american manufacturers that make vehicles on american soil would be affected by the serifs and some of the parts that go into american cars are typically imported from mexico and or canada. beyond that, the united states has become a lot more reliant on mexico to provide us with fresh produce as well because the climate is better suited for growing those things year- round. according to the department of agriculture, 69% of vegetables and 51% of fruits imported to the united states in 2022 came from mexico. and if you like a good margarita, you might want to think about stocking up on your favorite tequila since many americans favorites alcoholic drinks also come from south of the border, last year modell and surpassed budweiser to become the top-selling beer brand in america. let's go back to my home country, canada. it's top imports the united states is a big one, crude oil.
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just four months ago, u.s. imports of canadian crude hit a record high following the expansion of the transmountain pipeline. the terrace would result in higher energy prices, a consequence that would have a widespread effect and likely be felt across many sectors of american society. officials in canada and mexico are clearly concerned about the repercussions of these tariffs. last night the canadian prime minister flew to florida to have dinner with trump at mar-a- lago. and as he was coming out of the hotel in west palm beach this morning, you told reporters that he and trump", an excellent conversation. earlier in the week, the mexican president said the president elect a letter suggesting mexico could impose retaliatory tariffs on american products. america does have the upper hand here, retaliatory tariffs could result in countries no longer buying american good --
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goods which could inflict more pain and lead to the loss of american jobs. a lot to discuss here. for more on this, i'm joined by my old friend, ron -- he's not that old, he's an old friend of mine, that's what i mean. he's a commentator for cnbc and the host of the podcast, insights, fred hedberg is the former chairman and president of the export import bake of the united states, gentlemen, good to see you. thanks for being with us. guys, ron, let me start with you. there are a lot of people who say this isn't going to end up as a 25% tariff across the board. this is the way donald trump begins negotiations. i'm not trying to normalize trump's behavior but, is there any possibility that that is basically the equivalent of another country saying, we want to renegotiate our trade agreement and trump saying 25%
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tariffs the day i come into office. >> i think it's possible, it seems less probable this time around, he imposed those tariffs in his first term, which resulted in retaliation from other countries. i don't know, i do think a lot of people around him that would exclude the treasury nominee, but i think a lot of people around him view tariffs as restoring american supremacy on the american stage of the united states is doing well. this time around, i think he might just do it, i don't think it's an opening salvo on negotiations. i think they are -bent on proposing tariffs to see what happens . >> so fred, let's talk that through, there's probably some
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truth in donald trump's, probably some sense in his desire to reorder how trade goes around the world, but that's a complicated matter, in this particular instance, where he's talking about across-the- board trade with our three biggest trading partners, what would that look like to american taxpayers and american consumers? >> well, i think it'll clearly raise prices. people have interest, think about trump, if he owns hotels and buildings, if the price of oil or electricity goes up, he will raise his rates and raise the hotel rates and the rental rates, it's the same thing with tears, as the costs go up, companies will do their best to pass it on to the consumer.
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they may in fact try and extract some conditions from the suppliers but often, that means a reduction quality. so at the end of the day, consumers will take it on the chin, one way or another. >> what does success look like? if you threatened these tariffs, and maybe they go into place but china and mexico and canada say all right, we are at the table, we will renegotiate whatever you need to renegotiate. what does this gold, because he didn't articulate it in the campaign, what does the goal look like, what would china and canada and mexico need to do to make this problem solved the way he's trying to solve the problem? >> interesting enough, he's not trying to solve trade related problems, he's trying to solve immigration issues and then also this trade in fentanyl, which the precursors of course which come from china and may possibly get made in mexico and brought here. more often than not, brought in by american citizens. he's trying to solve problems unrelated to trade by using tools of trade as a weapon to
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solve what he perceives to be the immigration problem. with respect to china, we have a variety of targeted tariffs already levied against them, for protecting certain industries that have either military or advanced technological implications for the u.s. i'm not sure what problems he's trying to solve across-the-board, targeted tariffs seem to be a better way to deal with trade related questions, not national security related questions. >> fred, there's 10,000 years of history of this, this is the story of the world, trade relationships, the silk road is trade relationships. when you do things like this, and canada and the u.s. or canada and mexico are approaching it differently. justin trudeau went to mar-a- lago, hey guys, let's talk, president shinebaum who's a new
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president and mexico, justin trudeau has political tensions, she's emboldened, she said you do this to us and we will do it right back to you and it's going to hurt you as much as it hurts us but the fact is, it'll hurt canada and mexico probably more than it'll hurt the united states, would you agree? >> yes. i think two things, number 1, a lot of vehicles are made in the united states, canada and mexico. we did that to try and compete with asian manufacturers of automobiles, so what we should be doing is strengthening the alliance between mexico, canada and the u.s. so we make the most competitive vehicles at the best prices and can compete on the global market, this goes in the opposite direction, and number 2, we are still the second largest exporter in the entire world, second only to china. add that includes a lot of
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service exports which frankly are harder to calculate. who knows if we are the number 2 exporter. as the president of mexico said, countries will start retaliating, we have to keep remembering we are selling a lot overseas and we are not just buying from overseas, that seems to get lost in the discussion. >> it gets lost in part because donald trump made it get lost. he never finished the end of the sentence, you can impose tariffs on china, and it might get you a better trading relationship with china. it also might get you soybeans in 2018 and i remind people, i think it was about $30 billion with subsidized soybean losses for farmers, who pays that? that's not china paying that, it's the american government which in theory, feels like our tax dollars. >> if we get into a trade war and a trilateral trade work, it's not just prices going up, and based on what we've heard
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so far across-the-board tariffs on all imported goods from around the world, it would raise costs, anywhere from two to $4000 per year but beyond that, there's an impact on employment, basically since the president is contemplating mass deportation of undocumented immigrants. so we have to look at this as a two-pronged type of approach to what the president sees as america's most pressing problems and in my mind, the combination of those two things are stagflation. it's inflation plus recession and that's the real risk going forward. if he moves forward on this, then i think we have some rougher economic times ahead that people have yet to calculate or figure into the financial market behavior for what to expect in the economy next year. >> for people who don't follow these things as much as
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marriage like the three of us do. i think we would agree, tariffs, there are no people that are absolutely unfettered free trade versus those who are entirely protectionist. some tariffs are good and some tariffs are bad, blanket tariffs seem not like a sophisticated way to handle this. >> right, i mean, certainly, you put a tariff into help a local industry get up to speed but as we saw in the example with the washing machines, a company like whirlpool says we can raise our prices, too, so that is the negative thought about service. at the beginning of the show and the last show, we talked about the $6.2 million banana. all the bananas we eat are imported, and all of the bananas are going to cost a lot more money with a 25% tariff going on top, as well as things
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like avocados, which are going to be used at the super bowl, all of this will hit consumers directly and i would say, it'll hit the small business owners in particular. today is small business saturday, it'll be harder for them to absorb those costs or push back on it the manufacturer than say a walmart or kroger. >> guys, thank you. it's an important conversation. we will have more of it because it is in fact, complicated. i'll talk to gary locke, the former united states ambassador to china and the commerce secretary about what a second trump trade war with china looks like domestically and internationally and what the u.s. should do to address real concerns with china. plus red states have some of the most deadliest abortion bands and we cannot ignore them.
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governor hochul has issued a statement c for nearly 1000 counties in new york as a powerful lake affect storm rolls in. some parts could see up to 70 inches of snow. dangerous conditions are already being felt in pennsylvania where the snow has been pummeling parts of the state since yesterday. much more still on the way.
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we are about to enter a new post-row era, ending nearly 5 decades of women's health protections. but the decision itself came down more than a year after trump's first term in office ended and it's true neither the
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biden administration or the democrats controlling the senate could stop the wave of draconian abortion bands in republican states or the flood of stories to which we have borne witness of women bleeding, suffering even dying after being delayed or denied critical healthcare but come january the same supreme court that ended row will be seated once again. and alongside it for the first time since the court ended federal abortion rights, the other two branches of the federal government will be controlled by the party that spent the five decades working to overturn roe and which has openly planned even further restrictions on women's healthcare. what that might look like on the ground is troubling, given that what we've already seen and we've covered here on velshi, the effects of overturning roe and the women who are experiencing complicated emergencies. these preventable tragedies include a 28-year-old mother
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who died after doctors in texas delayed treating her miscarriage, for 40 hours. she left behind a four-year-old daughter. an 18-year-old crane, who miscarried on the day of her baby shower and died after being denied and delayed treatment. her mother, candace, was with her when she made the e.r. trips and waited 20 hours before a hospital would even admit her. according to propublica, candace fails screamed for someone in the hospital to help her pregnant daughter, do something, she pleaded. she still cannot understand why cranes emergency was not treated like an emergency. in states with abortion bands, some patients are balanced between hospitals like hot potatoes with healthcare providers reluctant to participate in treatment that could lead them to prosecution. we are already seeing signs of what's to come from states with some of the most dangerous
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abortion bands. faced with stories like those, with evidence of the deadliness of their abortion bands, they are moving to cover their tracks a growing effort is underway to silence any accounting of the toll that abortion bands are taking on maternal health, women's health in general in fact, this week we learned from the washington post, that the texas committee that reviews all pregnancy related deaths in the state, will not review cases from 2022 and 2023, the first two years after texas passed the near- total abortion ban meaning any pregnancy related deaths in the first two years following the dobbs ruling will not be reviewed or counted. at least three women have died in texas
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after delays in care related to the states abortion ban, again, according to propublica. doctors in texas who violate the state band face up to 99 years in prison. over in georgia, officials have decided to disband the states maternal or tally committee altogether. after one of the members leaked information to the press about to depth, linked to that states abortion ban, cases that made national headlines and understandably sparked widespread outrage. george's public health commissioner said whoever shared that information violated state law according to propublica. in a series of investigative reports, they've been closely documenting the concrete harm that abortion bands have inflicted on women. the reports have relied on state data and the work of those committees are helping to expose the devastating consequence of abortion bands giving names and faces to the statistics. but as we've seen, the response from red states has not been to reconsider how these bands have threatened the lives of women instead they're moving forward with plans that in effect, will take those names, the faces and names away again, and make them sadistic. they will cover-up the casualties of their deadly
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policies these women could be your mother, your sisters, your daughters or your friends but by hiding these statistics and rendering these women invisible, you may never hear their stories. the increasingly hostile landscape in which these women find themselves has forced reproductive health advocates into urgent contingency planning, bracing for a reality where more women will suffer and in some cases, die, because of these politics. and with states like texas and georgia moving to stop the public accounting of those deaths, more of them will die in darkness. you will likely never know their names, who they were, or who they left behind. that makes the work of the
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legal and health advocates like my next guest, all the more critical as we enter this next phase under donald trump. not only do these advocates serve as a lifeline for pregnant women but they are quickly becoming one of the few remaining sources of information ensuring the public stays informed of the absence of state data. they are also busy arming women with what is essentially a postelection guide to getting a safe abortion including how to protect your online privacy and how to safely access abortion pills in your state. i'm joined by the executive director of a women's clinic in alabama that provides reproductive services including abortion start excluding abortion, now because of state law, she's the owner of the -- author of the book the handbook. we have several prohibitions against certain organizations including the cbc, gathering
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and studying information about gun deaths because if you find out what comes due, you might take a different view, i guess that's what happening with abortion now? >> yeah, it's very much if i just pull the covers over my head, maybe nobody will know that i'm in the bed sort of response. and what's really upsetting is the fact that propublica should not be our source for finding out what is happening when it comes to people being denied medical care. and as this time has passed, we've seen there's been the contemporaneous information of people like kate cox and amanda, who have been denied care and were not able to access it and they felt there was some sort of justice that was denied them, so they spoke out, and their family spoke out, and we heard all of that in real time. but this data is the data that was also happening and is lagging by many years, and it's because this is a group of people who are usually, people of color, usually lower income or just not people who are used to being treated well in the medical system and as such,
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they don't necessarily think that what happened is something that could have been changed. they don't necessarily think that there's some sort of justice that they are going to get if they talk about when the incident occurs, so that's what's being covered up, people who are the most vulnerable and are not able to seek out some sort of retribution. >> also not everybody reads everything on this all day or follows the minutia in the news. one of the things i learned from you while i was at the west alabama women's is the majority of your clients were not people who had necessarily been thinking about this for a long time and in many cases did not know that the laws had changed which affects their ability to actually get the reproductive health care they need because this is a time
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specific thing, so if you find out too late, you've got to go to another state. people don't know what they don't know until they come to a clinic like yours, sometimes. >> well, and it's not even that they don't know that they don't know, when we are looking at these stories about these long- ago deaths or harms, we are noticing that they are happening in places like georgia, texas, where you have not only a multitude of resources to be able to find out this data, but you have a media ecosystem that is able to get that information out. the texas tribune picks up stories of the atlanta constitution journal. we had a story in alabama about a woman who had a molar pregnancy that she did not know about and had to leave the state and almost died. none of that got hurt because we don't have the type of media ecosystem down here that will actually pick up and get the stories to the nation. and so what we are going to see is more and more of it's just big cities, places with resources whereas in states like mississippi, alabama, the stories will happen and no one is going to hear them.
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>> what are you advising women to do now, at various stages of their inquiries with you? >> we still cannot tell anybody any information about where they can access a legal abortion, that is still something we've been threatened with prosecution over and we are waiting to find out if that'll ever change. one of the biggest things that we are trying to do for our program for next year, is we are hoping to expand our current do a service which is for people who are pregnant and giving birth in a hospital, we want to expand it so they can go into the hospitals with any patient that is having some sort of pregnancy complications so they are there to witness it, advocate for the patients and make sure that the patient comes out alive. >> thanks for all you do. we have a lot to talk about at this.
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the new cease-fire between israel and hezbollah in lebanon appears to be holding, so far. it's the latest volley in the extremely fraught deadly and in some ways, cyclical modern history of israel and lebanese relations. let's go back to 1943 when lebanon gained independence from france which controlled it via a post world war i league of nations mandate, the french mandate harkens back to the colonial era and that was a sponsorship for specific middle east and territories which used to be controlled by the ottoman empire. it was meant to eventually lead to a bunch of independent states, the other mandates were iraq, syria and palestine. the british were given control and governance over palestine and iraq, the french, over syria and lebanon. after world war ii, the newly formed united nations which replace the league of nations,
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partitioned the british palestine mandate into three entities, an arab state, a jewish state, and a separate internationally led city, jerusalem. on may 14, 1948, israel declared independence, the following day the arab league at the time consisting of egypt, iraq, transjordan, saudi arabia, syria, north yemen, and lebanon invaded israel. soon after the brand-new state of israel invaded lebanon occupy a significant portion of that company before and arms disagreement was signed. things remained relatively calm between israel and lebanon for decades, with lebanon taking only small parts in the short 1967 and $.19 73 wars between several arab nations and israel, but while relations between the two countries appeared cordial, the situation between israel and militant groups operating within lebanon was anything but. beginning with his formation in 1964, the palestine liberation organization or plo, based at
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the time and lebanon began attacks in israel, responding to other israeli attacks and leading to israeli responses, and that situation escalated for several years. in 1973, israel conducted an incursion by sea, into lebanon, killing several plo leaders, this was in response to the assassination of multiple members of the israeli delegation at the munich olympics the year before. it's important to note that during this time, the plo also clashed militarily and politically with the actual lebanese government and its military. a civil war in lebanon broke out in 1975 between the lebanese government and the christian militias on one side, and the plo, made up of muslims and christians and the druze militias on the others. that faith is an older offshoot of shia islam, while it was
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largely a civil war, israel was involved on the side of the lebanese government and the non- plo christians called the maronites. in 1978, the plo conducted a deadly attack inside israel and in response, israeli troops entered lebanon, holding a portion of the south for about a week and half before turning the territory back to allies, within the lebanese government. a similar situation occurred four years later in 1982, when israel again, entered lebanon following a plo attack, this time reaching nearly as far north as beirut before occupying a southern portion of lebanon consisting of 10% of the country and israel stay there for 18 years, until the year 2000. notice, i haven't mentioned hezbollah yet, hezbollah is neither the plo nor the lebanese army, it was formed in lebanon in response to the 1982 invasion into an occupation of lebanon.
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and notably it was the only militia that was not forced to disarm, as part of the agreement which ended the lebanese civil war in 1989. hezbollah has since grown in power becoming what is being called a state within a state, and controlling significant portions of lebanon mainly in the south and while it does operate political entity in parliament, it mainly exists as a separate fighting force with significant influence inside lebanon. throughout israel's 18 year occupation and for several years, there were constant attacks for back and forth with a cross-border raid conducted by hezbollah leading to a month- long war in 2006 which ended via a un brokered cease-fire. under the terms of the cease- fire, which is known as united nations security council resolution 1701, and plays big part in the current cease-fire, israel and hezbollah would withdrawal from lebanon entirely, hezbollah would be disarmed and hezbollah would
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also withdraw to north of the platonic river which runs about 20 miles north of the border, this is the river right here. the lebanese army of united nations force would operate in that area, the buffer zone, hezbollah, notably did not disarm or leave southern lebanon and despite isolated incidents and ongoing simmering tensions, the resolution overall kept things relatively calm between lebanon and israel. until last year's october 7th attacks on israel and hezbollah and israel began daily back-and- forth strikes. the situation escalated dramatically starting this september when israel intensified its attacks using everything from explosive pages and walkie-talkies to heavy missiles, to target hezbollah in and around beirut, killing dozens of high-ranking officials including his powerful longtime leader. and like in the case of the hamas assassinations in gaza, israel's attacks on hezbollah leaders also end up killing non-
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civilian combatants. israel once again, launched a ground invasion of lebanon, hezbollah intensified its attack sending thousands of rockets into israel striking as far south as the central part of the country including attacks near tel aviv. amid the escalation and violence, there was also an increase in calls for a return to the un resolution 1701, and that resolution does indeed provide the framework for the new deal, which went into effect on tuesday, which includes a halt in hostilities, a phased withdrawal of israeli troops from lebanon over the next 60 days and hezbollah withdrawing once again, to north of the river. the lebanese army and the un will oversee this and monitor this area. after the break, i'll talk to nbc's matt bradley about the latest on the cease-fire and what this history tells us about hopes for it holding.
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before the break i broke down the somewhat cyclical of modern relations between israel and hezbollah. joining me now is international correspondent matt bradley, good to see you, you know all of this history very well. i guess the only point in discussing the history other than for history buffs is to figure out how that history informs what is likely to happen now between both israel and hezbollah, and more important, israel and the whole region. >> yeah, ali, flatter me, i learned quite a bit from your introduction and i think you did mention this, i want to add
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an asterix, that is the relationship not only between israel and lebanon but between hezbollah here in lebanon and iran, that's been a major issue from the beginning. and one of the reasons why we saw october seven packet happen the way it did, we saw hamas who also benefits, they may have thought and they did expect at least they hoped that hezbollah, which is much stronger than hamas, much better organized and has much more axis to global weapons markets and this policy -- diplomacy, they are not stuck in the gaza strip. instead, hezbollah didn't really throw themselves into the fight against the israelis probably in the full throated way that hamas had hoped or expected for, and instead, settled into a lower-level conflict that did distract israeli soldiers from the gaza strip but not in a real way that probably change the direction of that fight. so instead, we've been seeing hezbollah trying to ask for the iranians while at the same time taking their cues from lebanon itself. this is the situation you will see throughout the region, when
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it comes to iran's, axis of resistance. all these proxy groups that have to be both and a fitting from iranian largess, and at the same time they have to answer to their own public. so even in a case like hamas, where we have a group that essentially has a dictatorship over the gaza strip, they still have to answer to the public in the gaza strip. at the end of the day, even when they launch this massive attack in october, they probably lost some level of support and we saw that in surveys that came out from amongst the people in the gaza strip, same thing here with hezbollah in lebanon. there was a lot of dissatisfaction about the fact that hezbollah decided to weigh in on this war against the israelis, five years into a crippling economic crisis, after we've seen so many tragedies like support explosion that you mentioned, and all of these other issues, corruption, the really gridlocked secretary and system of government that has hobbled
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this movement when it comes to dealing with the challenges that it faces, and this has been going on for generations. so now, that hezbollah is on the back foot and ms. rolla has been killed and you won't hear this from politicians here but they will whisper it, but they are glad that hezbollah has been knocked down a page and you will not hear this from hezbollah politicians and their allies but from many more who are now hopeful that there can be an opening for this country now that hezbollah has been knocked down a peg and there can be a move toward finally electing a president, for example, and that is one of the things that this country has not had for several years and they are looking forward to that. >> there is an acting president but not one that's able to get
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much done. thanks, matt. matt bradley reporting from beirut. we will check in with you in the next hour to talk about developments on another topic you know a lot about, the russian war in ukraine. another hour of velshi begins after this break. ak.
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