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on the economy and job market. no surprises. for months on the campaign trail trump proclaimed tariffs is the most beautiful word in the dictionary suggesting it could be the solution for nearly everything from funding to tax cuts he wants to enact to subsidizing child care costs. repeatedly vowed to impose blanket tariffs on all imported goods, although those campaign promises were vague and inconsistent. now that he's the president-elect, he's begun to roll out more concrete plans that probably should be taken more seriously. on monday trump posted or truth social "had "charge mexico and canada a 25% tariff on all products coming in to the united states." he adds, "this tariff remains in effect until such time as drugs, in particular fentanyl, and all illegal elie aliens stop invas our country."
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tear of the tariffs on a tax on imports and can be good or bad and destructionive. depending on how employed and a tool of trade diplomacy. help a country protect industries and jobs at home from competitors abroad and encouraging you to buy domestic over foreign or increase wages or workers' rights protections or forts to mitigate climate change. trump appears to want to wield them like a sledgehammer and use them to dismantle relationships with two of the most important biggest traders canada and mexico. that move could blow up the usmca. the free trade agreement replacing nafta, north american fro trade agreement trump signed during his first term in office. long insisting other countries will end um paying for the increased costs of tariffs. most experts agree tariffs simply result in companies
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passing that cost on to consumers. in this case, american consumers. we have seen this happen before under a trump administration. back in 2018, the trump administration implemented steep tariffs on washing machines imported from other countries and soon after that was announced the south korean manufacturer lg one of the top three biggest household appliance brands in the united states raised prices of washing machines as expected to cover the cost of the tariffs. other foreign companies also followed suit. a 2019 study found that the cost of washing machines rose by about $86 per unit because of tariff but had knock-on effects. appliance retailers raised price of things like dryers. cost of which rose by $92 per unit, except that, get this -- no tariffs on dryers. but tariffs can also be confusing. some companies look to take advantage of the fact american consumers expected the price of
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appliances, not just washers, to go up. so -- they raised the price on appliances. furthermore, domestic companies that weren't subject to the tariffs raised prices of their laundry products. american consumers were harmed at every turn. that's just one side of the financial pain. there's more. after the trump administration imposed tariffs on china in 2018 china retaliated putting tariffs on soybean exports from the united states. a hugely negative effect on american farmers. as a result soybeans lost more than 75% of export value in the year following the tariff according to the usda and china turned to other countries like brazil to provide them with their soybeans. a huge blow to american farmers who ultimately had to be bailed out by government. if trump follows through with his day one plan plan tariffs from all products from mexico
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and canada, same could happen. bigger. cars other vehicles. many companies moved manufacturing operations to mexico in recent years, but another one of mexico's top imports is car parts. the vehicle manufacturing process involves many steps and many components from across the entire north american continent meaning even american manufacturers that make american vehicles on american soil would be affected by these tariffs and parts they need to make those cars are typically imported from either mexico or canada. beyond that the united states has become a lot more reliant on mexico to provide us with presh produce as, well, climate is better suited to growing those items year-round. according to the department of agriculture, 69% of vegetables and 51% of fruits imported to the united states in 2022 came from mexico. if you like a good margarita, think about stocking up on your favorite tequila, but because many americans favor alcoholic
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drinks, they come from mexico. the bear company modelo surpassed budweiser becoming "the" top selling beer brand in america. as for canada, its top import to the united states is a big one. crude oil. just four months ago u.s. imports of canadian crude hit a record high following expansion of the trans mountain pipeline to the western part of country. trump's tariff resulting in higher energy prices a consequence with a widespread effect and likely felt across many sectors of american society. government officials in canada and mexico are clearly concerned about the repercussions of these tariffs. last night the canadian prime minister justin trudeau flew to florida to have dinner with trump at mar-a-lago. as coming out of his hotel in west palm beach this morning, told rotters he and trump it "an excellent conversation" pap earlier the mexican president sent a letter suggesting mexico
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could impose retaliatory tariffs on american products. america has upper hand but retaliatory tariffs could lead to the loss of american jobs as well. for more on this i'm joined now by gary locke, former united states ambassador to china previously served commerce second of the united states under the obama administration. good to see you again. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure, ali. >> talked a lot about canada and mexico. there is a third country that donald trump has targeted in his first tariff announcement. that's china. in part, in this particular announcement, he talked about stopping fentanyl and said in his quote, in his post, he said we will be charging china an additional 10% tariff above any additional tariffs on all of their many products coming into the united states of america, end quote. you understand trade and china
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well. there is a legitimate beef trading with china and stuff to be fixed in our trading relationship with china. talk to me about this approach. >> obviously we do have concerns about china's trade practices, unfair subsidies. non-adherence to the principles of the wto, and so we need to address those concerns, because it's not fair to american companies. but imposing tariffs actually hurts american companies and american consumers. because as you pointed out, th tariffs are not paid for by the other country. in this case china, mexico or canada. it's paid for by -- it's a tax that the nordstroms, the walmarts, targets, home depots, lowes have to pay before they bring in that product where they get it at the border. the cost is passed on to the u.s. consumer. under the trump first administration go-round of tariffs the american, average
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american household paid $400 to $800 more per year. certainly under the proposed tariffs on canada and mexico, it's estimated that the increase cost to every household will be almost $2,000 per year. so, but as you pointed out, if we impose tariffs on chinese goods coming into the united states, china as it did in the first trump administration, retaliated by imposing tariffs on american products. soybeans, agriculture things. china did not order or buy a single boeing airplane. china doesn't have to rely on things from the united states. it can buy from europe. buy from brazil. buy, you know, airbus. buy a german medical equipment. doesn't have to buy ge medical equipment and that hurts american companies. if american companies don't sell more they don't knee as many workers and that means less jobs for the american people.
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>> follow through. when we did the 2018 increased tariffs on china they stopped buying soybeans. they can't, infrastructure, take to the ports, get to the ships. they created an infrastructure in brazil to replace the soybeans bought from america and the american taxpayers subsidized american soybean farmers. a., pay more for the thing that comes in, and b., your tax dollars deal with whatever we've disrupted in the american economy as a result of these tariffs. >> that's right. so middle-income people ended up, middle-income families, ended up paying both ways. pay more at the cash register for the products coming in from china. because the nordstroms, walmarts, home depots, the lowes, they pass those increased costs on to the consumer. and then, of course, they had to bail out the farmers and that cost the average american household more money. >> let's talk about how you actually deal with the problems
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donald trump has discussed. he has linked these tariffs, canada, mexico and china to flow of fentanyl into the united states and migrant issue as america's borders. these are super complicated problems. donald trump is right that both of them need to be addressed, but they are complex problems that require more than adversity. they require a great deal of cooperation. particularly with mexico and china. a lesser degree of canadian issue, but they require a coordinated approach i think i assume you as the former ambassador to china or former cabinet official would say that there may be a different way to do this? >> well, most definitely. we need to partner with our allies in europe and other countries to have a unite approach towards china on these trade issues, because if it's just the united states and china, the other countries, germany, france, canada.
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the uk. they benefit, because they're products are not subject to the tariffs in terms of retaliation, and so the chinese will buy their products instead of the american products. so we're actually helping our allies while they wish us well in this fight against china, they benefit. so many other policymakers including hank paulson, served treasury sector under president bush set the united states should not be doing this alone. is china going to retaliate against the entire world if the entire world imposes tariffs on china? >> let me ask you this -- donald trump again touched on something during his campaign which is relevant. that is electric vehicles out of china. for whatever reason gshs, ood, america is not in the lead of less expensive ones. china is. 100% tariffs on cheapest chinese electric vehicle it's less money than the cheapest american
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electric vehicle. how are we supposed to deal with something like that? because that's an instance where tariffs or some controls at least would help america build a piece of the industry we simply don't have here. >> well, the imposing tariffs on chinese automobiles or automobiles from any other part of the world will not help the american automotive industry. what we really need to do make sure these companies take advantage of the tax incentives passed, bipartisan fashion in the congress proposed by president biden, which is give tax credits for this clean energy manufacturing in the united states. money for research and development. money for setting up these factories in the united states, and making sure that we educate students, engineers, developing advanced technologies. right now china and many other countries are way ahead of the united states in terms of battery technology and electric
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vehicles. >> gary locke good to talk to you as always. former united states ambassador to china. also former commerce secretary of the united states. coming up next, seeing brand new escalations in the war in ukraine. new proposal that the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is floating to end the conflict. he spoke with our parer in sky news in a brand new interview. that and more "velshi" in just a moment. ♪♪ vicks vapostick provides soothing non-medicated vicks vapors. easy to apply for the whole family. vicks vapostick. and try new vaposhower max for steamy vicks vapors. liberty mutual customized my car insurance so i saved hundreds. with the money i saved i thought i'd get a wax figure of myself. cool right? look at this craftmanship. i mean they even got my nostrils right. it's just nice to know that years after i'm gone this guy will be standing the test of ti...
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named keith kellogg special envoy to ukraine and russia pap retired lieutenant general, former acting national security adviser to trump, former national security adviser to then vice president mike pence and, of course, he is a former fox news contributor. kellogg co-authored a paper in april for the pro-trump america first policy institute arguing the u.s. should strong-arm ukraine and russia into entering peace negotiations and in a there should be a cease-fire along with a demilitarized zone between the two countries. ukraine would also need to give up nato aspirations, at least for now. in a new interview with stewart ramsey from our partner sky news, the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says he's not spoken to trump since september, and that he had dealings with kellogg in the past. zelenskyy noted that nato membership will be key to any deal. without that security guarantee,
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putin won't back down. >> if we want to stop the hot stage of the war we should take under nato the territory of ukraine that we have under our control. that's what we need to do fast, and then ukraine can get back the other part of its territory, diplomatically. >> joining me now from beirut nbc news international correspondent matt bradley. matt, that sounded -- generally speaking, volodymyr zelenskyy's been against any concept of a negotiation. he said something interesting there. the part of ukraine that ukraine controls should be able to join nato, and then we can get the other part of ukraine that russia is occupying through negotiations. but the nato part of the deal seems to be the thing he's leaning into. ukraine wants to be part of nato. >> reporter: yeah, ali. a startling interview by our colleague at sky.
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this is, i think should be making headlines. i don't know if it will. a pretty big move by president zelenskyy in this interview basically saying for the first time that he's willing to entertain the prospect of negotiations that will involve leaving territory occupied by russia to be occupied by russia. that is something that hasn't happened yet. he presented to his parliament a victory plan back a couple months ago, in the summer, calming for essentially nothing like that. taking back all of that territory. he has never wavered from this idea that he, that the ukrainians and kyiv would take back all of the recognized international area of ukraine, back under kyiv's control. including crimea. now sounds as though this is a complicated and nuanced proposal, but one that's been bandied about for the past year or two. it's called in europe the west germany proposal. west germany joined nato back in 1955 while east germany was still separate. this isn't an apples to oranges
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comparison because, of course, west germany was divided, because it was the belligerent in world war ii. punished for that. ukraine was invaded by russia twice. 2014 and again in 2022. still is at war with russia. it's a different thing, but at the same time we're talking about kind of a model that's been used by nato before, and what zelenskyy was saying, again, very knew uns nuanced. wants to see parts occupied by ukraine come under nato control. those parts occupied by russia recognized by nato as being part of ukraine. in other words, he wants to keep nato recognizing all of contiguous ukraine part of ukraine even only assuming control over those parts that are controlled by kyiv. then he says that the rest of this will happen, that kyiv will get back the russian-occupied
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parts of ukraine through future negotiations. so we don't know what that looks like. russia has shown no indication they're willing to creed those territories in future negotiations and also said russia has never really yielded on their demand that they have regime change in kyiv. remember, one of the first things vladimir putin said in that snarling statement before he brought his troops over the border into ukraine all the way back in january of 2022. that he needs to see a regime change. denunsification of the government in ukraine. so far haven't seen him giving up on that goal. not formally, at least. even though clearly the russians are humbled in their effort to try to take ukraine. now the humbling done on kyiv's side. definitely on the back foot now even though taken some territory and in an impressive maneuver in the kursk area of russia. not winning in the east where it really matters and russians are
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advancing not necessarily quickly but advancing and doing it with not as much interruption in previous years. looks as though kyiv with this interview, with stewart ramsey, volodymyr zelenskyy, president of ukraine is given some ground even if some shrouding and ukraine eventually exceeding to the nato alliance. that will definitely anger the russians and it has really very little to do with what you mentioned about keith kellogg's proposal. something that would not involve nato membership and wouldn't involve the article 5 guarantees of mutual defense nato offers to its members. what kyiv and zelenskyy are savoring. article 5 membership providing an umbrella of defense for ukraine. so now we're seeing two different proposals being thrown around as we're waiting to see what the presidency of donald
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trump will mean for ukraine. >> yeah. important to note that the beginning of the invasion in ukraine started more than ten years ago, because ukrainians wanted to turn more towards the eu and ultimately nato, and vladimir putin has said, in that very same speech before launching the war, the encroachment of nato is a -- is a factor in russia having to, in his word, protect itself. interestingly enough, a major cabinet atointee in the united states tulsi gabbard echoes those same comments. much to see. thanks for your analysis. matt, double duty. covering a lot of the world. matt bradley in beirut covering both the situation in the middle east and the situation in russia and ukraine. coming up, call to order today's meeting in the velshi banned book club featuring a middle school librarian targeted for advocating for the freedom to read in her own community. amanda jones joins me to talk about being forced to a culture war she did not seek out in her
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i want to show you sudan. this is sudan. the third largest country in africa in size and right now it is in the midst of the biggest and the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. this situation ignited in april of 2023 when following a joint coup the previously allied sudanese armed forces and the paramilitary called the rapid support forces, or rsf, began fighting for control of the capital of karkum. both that control the government and rfs have international of sorts and both accused committing atrocities and war crimes over the past 17 months including not limited to
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murdering civilians, mutilation, torturery a litany of arbitrary arrests and rape. rfs accuseds of recruiting child soldiers including persecution on ethnic or gender grounds and a large-scale abduction of women forced into sexual slavery. i note, the rsf evolved from militias committing atrocities including genocide in 2003. tens of thousands killed in this conflict. according to the united nations more than 11.5 million people have been forcibly displaced from their homes. 5 million of them are children. making this the world's largest displacement crisis by a lot. 8.5 million people are internally displaced. means they're away from homes but still in country. the other 3 million have fled to neighboring countries like chad,
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egypt, south sudan and the central african republic. nations that themselves are experiencing instability. for those who can't get out of sudan, the situation is beyond dire. sudan's civil and government services already sparse before the fighting started are now non-existent. 90% of the nation's children have no access to formal education. according to the united nations, almost 26 million people which is more than half of sudan's entire population, are facing crisis levels of hunger and are on the brink of starvation. across the world right now, of all the people who face catastrophic hunger levels, half are in sudan, according to the world food program, which also reports that roughly 4.7 million children under the age of 5 are experiencing malnutrition. in august two international organizations that formally monitor hunger declared a famine
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is under way at the zumzum camp in darfur holding 600,000 people. in february doctors withoutwith borders "catastrophic conditions there including no clean water supply at all and at least one child was dieing every two hours." because of the violent and volatile situation in the country the international community has had tremendous difficulty getting aid to those in need and cease-fire talks have led nowhere with neither side expressing a desire to participate let alone actively work towards peace. joining me now, the country director for sudan at the international rescue committee. more importantly, leading a team of 150 people there has herself been displaced by this war, and suffered the consequences of this crisis. in april of 2023 a week after the fighting broke out, she packed up her bags from her home
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helped her mother in a wheelchair into the car and fled the city. she's not been back to her home since. she herself is a displaced person who is helping to direct an organization whose job it is to help displaced people, which is a very, very strange interview for me. it is good to see you again, my friend. thank you for being with us. you are all the things. a victim of this, you are a displaced person, you do not live in your own home and yet you are operating a team of people who are trying to help the sudanese. i've tried to explain the numbers. but the numbers don't tell you the story. what is it to be asudanese civilian today? a non-combatant sudanese civilian? >> yes. thank you very much, ali, for having me. as you mentioned, i believe that the situation, the intention situation in sudan is the largest humanitarian crisis and the my guess the only war or
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conflict that is involving -- the center of the conflict which the in part the -- the, the decent civilization became so difficult to maintain. sudanese, i guess most of the sudanese heavily impacted by the conflict. i can say confidently all sedinese in sudan have been impacted by the conflict in different ways. some of us have been displaced and lost their families and they lost their houses, and -- terrifying, and conflict, impacted population which i believe the -- a conflict source
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which is something that, very, very difficult to live with and some area is very active war zone that they're seeing. >> remarkable. >> the situation is very -- >> remarkable that sudanese people have nowhere to go in their other country. it's a very, very big country. talk to me about the idea because it's a civil war the world tends to say this is their problem. that's first of all not true. there are various non-soundese entities in government who are involved in fomenting this. you need the world to take some, pay some attention to this. what is it you want done that can lead to relief for the sudanese people? we cannot believe these numbers. 26 million people in a famine on the brink of starvation. >> yes. i guess sudanese, they are dieing from famine. a civil war, zoot soundese figh
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each other and other things involved in the conflict and fueling and making it worse. as you mentioned, because the war impacted the whole sudan, so it means that the displacement even, really, very painful, because there's no safe place in sudan anymore. most of the areas is being subject to active fighting, but also considered, it is a safe area, it's still, they are heavily impacted by airstrike, by drone and shelling, and also a lot of restrictions of movement, and that mean like for us to expand is very difficult even across line or across border response. so the response has been heavily impacted by access, and also lack of funds. a humanitarian crisis.
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>> one thing pointed out to me and of course we know a massive crisis is going on and the world needs to pay a little bit more attention. thank you for the work you are doing. of course, thank you to the international rescue committee and your team for the help you are trying to give your fellow sudanese while you are displaced yourself. the country director for the international rescue committee in sudan. we'll be right back. ht bac. e 1 fire extinguisher. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. for easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. prilosec otc. one pill. 24 hours. zero heartburn. have you compared your medicare plan recently? with ehealth, you can compare medicare plans side by side for free. so we invited people to give ehealth a try and discover
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the velshi banned book club. my favorite part is all of our members. you who are watching now. as we med into the new year i do want to encourage you to message us let us know which banned books you wanted us to cover next and which authors you'd like to hear from. email with suggestions. "mystory@velshi.com. the email address is on your screen. i always say, the velshi banned book club is nothing would you its members. ahead of that i bring you the story of a special banned book club member. her name is amanda jones, a middle school librarian faced death threats for speaking out against censorship in her own rural louisiana community. you don't want to miss this meeting in the "velshi banned book club." that's up next. club. that's up next. we make the most comfortable socks in the history of feet. so comfortable you'll wish you had more.
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shotgun under her bed. traveling country roads carries a pistol. amanda jones is a middle school librarian. she spoke out at a library part of a small community in louisiana where she was raised and raising her on child. although jones didn't mention one specific title she echoed a sentiment we often point to on the velshi banned book club. titles targeted for banned tell stories of lgbtq+ people, minorities and sexuality including sexual health and safety. an excerpt from her speech that day. the citizens of our parish consist of tax pacer who are white, black, brown, gay, straight, christian, non-christian people from all backgrounds and walks of life and no one portion of the community should dictate what the rest of the citizens have access to. just because you don't want to read it or see it it doesn't give you the right to deny others or demand its relocation. quote/unquote. the barrage of hate came shortly
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after that. jones was criticized and labeled a pedophile and a groomer. her credibility as an educator called into question. one sunday morning she opened her email to find a threat on her life. "you can't hide. we know where you work and live. you have a large target on your back, click -- click -- see you soon" jones fought back suing two internet trolls louders and most hateful critics trolled back asking for $1 and a public apology. her new memoir "that librarian: the fight against book banning in america" a look how damaging this is to our nation. it's a reckoning for communities across the country. that librarian is the story of redemption, tenacity and duty. equal parts humor, self-effacing and alarming a story of strength. but it's no longer unique or shocking. not to us at the velshi banned book club at least. educators dragged into a battle
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they didn't start and many did not want to fight. a willingness to advocate and threats or livelihood, integrity and sometimes their life are part and parcel of just being a librarian. but librarians are our first line of defense to think, write, think critically, first line of defense for democracy. joining me ar fter the break, sharing her own story. amanda jones. an educator, librarian, advocate and author of that book. "that librarian."
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today's meeting of the velshi banned book club officially under way. joined by author of "that librarian: fight against book banning in america." not band just yet but important context to the moment in which we are living. amanda jones, welcome to the velshi banned book club. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i thought that there's something very powerful about your book. starts with the dedication which reads, for the librarians. invictus. made me think of my favorite poem written by the same -- invictus by william ernest henley. read that to our audience. speaks to what you're doing. out of the night that covers me black is the pit from pole to pole i thank whatever gods may
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be for my unconquerable soul. in the fell clutch of circumstance i have not winced nor cried aloud. under the bludgeoning of chance my head is blid but unbowed. beyond this place of wrath and tears looms but the horror of the shade, and yet the menace of the years finds and shall find me unafraid. it matters now how strait the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll, i am the master of my fate. i am the caption of my soul. tell me why you chose this as your dedication? >> well, you know, i wanted to dedicate my book to all of the librarians out there sticking up for the stories and the people in the books. but i actually a good friend of mine, dr. andrea trudeau sent me that poem very early on and she sent me a necklace i normally have on. i forgot it today. but i wear it around my neck to remind me i'm in charge of my own fate and master of my own
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soul. >> amazing. authors and other members of the velshi banned book club shared stories how important the liar braer is to them. obviously as children and less critical when a child need guidance and curation. one person wrote in said "i remember the jubilation i and my sister felt when we can taken by our parents to the houston public library. we held our liar braeb cards in the same high esteem xwendly our driveral licence. to know that so many youngsters don't have that is troubles. libraries, necessity for cultural growth. talk to me about that. libraries as a necessity. not a utility, not a thing you also have in your school but how central we are realizing they are to our growth? >> well, you know, books have the ability to change lives and save lives and make us become
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more empathetic beings and it's essential to get your information from credible sources, which you can find in the library, and your friendly librarian will help you find those resources and books that can help you learn and grow and maybe even save your life. we're seeing a attacks on the stories in the libraries doing that. >> one of the things about librariance in schools, or public library, every library doesn't have to like every book, meet librarian don't like genres but don't prevent you, give you guidance. happened to like science fiction to read in 5r7bd the library doesn't they won't tell you to read the science fiction. part is your ethos as librarians is not not limit cultural intellectual growth? >> yes. i want my students and everyone in our community to learn to be critical thinkers and learn and explore on their own.
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i remember my mom, i got a library card at 5 years old. a special event for me. my mother took me to the public library every week. my mom never limited what i could and could not read. i think i'm a better person because of it. >> the second to last chapter in your book titled "what can you do in your own community." you write in part, pro--censors are loud and obnoxious and there'll only growing bolder. they'll continue their rampage unless rational people speet out against them. this movement could have -- people who believe in inclusivity freedom to read and the public good need to be louder and more active than the book banners. you list practical ways americans can fight censorship. tell viewers about that. >> i want to make sure you're paying attention, first and foremost. these are very local fights happening in every state across
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the country but it's very local fights. you want to make sure you're paying attention to the school board meetings and who's running, who's, public library meetings and watching agendas in the meetings and that you vote. more importantly, do so in a way that sets a better example than the book banners. they're hateful and push hateful rhetoric. >> librarians don't have a heyful gene. unexpected heroes of our time. amanda jones, educator, advocate and authterauthter-"that librarf you missed any of today's show. never fear. "velshi" is available as a podcast. follow and listen for free wherever you get your podcasts plus always find "velshi" content on yub tooub at
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