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another day and another painfully unqualified personnel choice from president-elect donald trump, who announced today that his senior advisor on arab and middle eastern affairs will be his daughter tiffany's father-in-law. if it sounds like nepotism, then you haven't tuned in, because this is the second time this weekend alone that trump packed one of his in-laws to manage u.s. relations with a key ally or vital region. yesterday, the president-elect tapped his daughter ivanka's father-in-law, convicted felon charles kushner as u.s. ambassador to france. the most shock waves this weekend is staffer kash patel

for fbi director. the law enforcement community has come down hard on the selection, rightfully, questioning whether an unexperienced lackey should have the fbi at his disposal to make it happen. joining me now is jasmine crockett. we start with trump's pick for fbi director, kash patel, who trump floated for the job during his first administration. that idea quickly shot down by then attorney general bill barr, who objected to patel's complete lack of experience to run the bureau. he also -- he is also a deep state conspiracy theorist.

he is like the rest of trump's nominees. is this pick more retribution against the rule of law from trump? >> absolutely. listen, it is interesting because trump spent so much time trying to separate himself from project 2025. what we see playing out before our eyes is literally project 2025. one of the main things that was espoused in that document is that he must have loyalists that are going to be in government. forget whether or not they are qualified. that is the only qualification is that you pray to the orange jesus, which is known as trump. that's what we have in patel. it doesn't come down to whether or not he has any law enforcement experience. it doesn't come down to if he understands anything about the fbi. what it comes down to is a guy so upset because he got caught being the criminal that he is

and then y had the udacity to g after him. he truly wants to weaponize the government, a claim he continuously projected on to this administration. here is the deal. the big question is whether or not the current fbi director is going to step down. another person that he put into that position. he still has time on the clock and doesn't necessarily have to leave. >> let's turn to the economy where experts have warned that trump's promised tariffs on can a -- canadian and mexican goods will blow up inflation, particularly in an import reliant state like texas where you serve. you warned the american people to buckle up for economic pain under trump's plan. millions of americans voted for

trump who campaigned on these tariffs, even if the economic pain deepens, because of them -- the tariffs, that is, will they turn away from him now? >> i have no idea. i will say that there should be some folk that decide, maybe that wasn't the best idea to not vote for kamala harris or that i decided to get up and vote for this guy who was promising tariffs, because i have seen where people have said, wait a minute, i thought the tariffs meant the other countries were going to pay something. i didn't realize that this was going to impact me. i think that it's important the american people see that we saw the prime minister for canada go and speak to him and basically you have our friends from up north as well as our friends down south in mexico seemingly trying to educate the guy that has run on being this great businessman. what i try to remind people of

over and over again is that this guy isn't allowed to operate a business in the state of new york because he is actually a terrible business person. honestly, this idea, this ploy to throw tariffs on everything, i don't understand how elon can stand for it. his precious tesla, they may be made in texas now, here is the reality. the tesla has components that are not made in the united states. just like almost every single thing we have. not to mention when we start to talk about agriculture and our food. the reality is that this is going to impact every facet of our lives if someone doesn't get ahold of trump and tell him to chill out on all of this pain that he is about to inflict. >> as a new yorker, i can tell you that we never thought he was a good businessman. states across the country are bracing for trump's promised

deportation of millions of immigrants. some are preparing to fight back. others are already accommodating trump, like texas, which is home to about 1.6 million undocumented immigrants. republican leaders are pumping money and resources into making the state the center of mass deportation plan s. less clear is whether they have considered the economic impact on this proposed purge on texas, which generates billions in taxes from undocumented residents, many of whom work in the state's construction, farming and service industries. congresswoman, you serve on house agricultural committee. you said you think trump will drop this plan because it will hurt those sectors, farming especially. you think he is bluffing? >> yeah. listen, i think that this is a

guy who has half baked ideas. he gets out there. he says something. then people go crazy and they say, yes, we like it. he has not thought it through. i think this is another one of those ideas where he is saying, i'm going to deport everybody because right now there is a fear as relates to the base that supported him, because we know that white people overwhelmingly supported him. he is trying to make his base feel comfortable by saying, listen, i'm going to get rid of these people of color. that does include the woman that's cleaning your home, that does include the people that you use as your nan ny, the people who you are waiting to build your custom home. i want y'all to understand that the people that are making sure that the food that you can continue to complain about the prices of, that is in the grocery store that they are the ones that are out there working the farm. i think that once they say, wait

a minute, i didn't realize that, i didn't realize that this may mean that somebody else got to go and work the farm because i'm not going to send johnny out there, i think once they understand truly what this means, then they will end up pivoting or blaming it on someone else. this is a half-baked idea that's going to cost us a lot of up-front dollars and then cost us a lot economically. >> i have to ask you about this while there's time. i'm so inspired that photo over your shoulder. i was youth direct of her campaign for president. i was 17, 18 years old. she would be proud of you, i believe. you took issue last month -- by the way, it was the 100th anniversary of her birth yesterday. you took issue last month with your house republican colleagues referring to diversity, equity and inclusion practices as

oppression, as they promoted a bill called dismantle dei on martin luther king holiday. you went viral for the takedown. still, the bill advanced the house oversight committee. if it becomes a law, this would effectively close all federal dei offices and programs. congresswoman, how far do they intend to go with this? >> yeah. listen, there's no way that president joe biden would sign this into law. they could get it out of the house. they can get it out of the senate. they can't, because the democrats still control the senate. this is a preview of what is looks like to have a trump trifecta. i anticipate that this is the type of legislation that we will see come back in the 119th. they will get it through the house. they will get it through a republican-controlled senate. i have no doubt donald trump

would sign it into law. for everyone who is a person of color that thought this was your guy, i want y'all to know how they feel about you and what they are saying is not only that white men are being oppressed, including my colleagues in congress because they were whining about being oppressed in that hearing, but he talked about reparations for white folk, something that black people start to mention reparations, everybody wants to lose their minds. i want to be clear that we are flipping everything on its head. part of this started when they decided they did not want to teach our real history in the classrooms so that people can say, no, it is the white man that's been oppressed. but i had to read the definition of oppression because they feel as if just because there is an office that wants to promote diversity, not to promote that someone is going to have supremacy but diversity, they feel as if that's oppression any time a person of color is being

treated with equity in this country. >> trump literally talked about reparations for whites. i might add, a lot of white women businesses and others benefitted from dei and it really was put into real fast track when the trump-stacked supreme court outlawed affirmative action. thank you for being with us. good to talk to you. now to the topic of the new leadership of the democratic national committee set to vote on its any new chair february 1. joining me is one of the contenders for the job, ben wickler. i want to mention we had on this show two other candidates. martin o'malley, the former mayor. you announced today that you are

entering the race to head the dnc in order to, quote, unite, fight and win. you have led the wisconsin democratic party since 2019. what is your vision for the future of the party, a behind the scenes fund-raiser or someone eering the direction of the party. >> thanks for having me on. it's an honor to be with your audience in a moment of crisis where we are facing total republican domination of our federal government, even though this is one of the narrowest elections in the last 100 years. many voters who cast ballots don't want what trump wants to do. we need to have a national party where the communicates and supports a ton of other great communicators to go out and fight back against the trump administration's plan to dismantle support for health care for working people and give

trillions of dollars to billionaires who don't need it, who financed his campaign. we need to fight back against that and channel energy into supporting work in every state across the country to fight back against right wing extremism and unite the party building a big tent coalition in rural areas, cities and small towns, to win down-ballot races that have enormous consequences for people in their states and across the country. that's the idea with unite to bring us all together to fight up and down the ballot in every state and nationally. by doing that, to win. >> after a national loss like this november, a lot of analysts, strategists and pundits have been pointing blame at what went wrong for the democrats this year. in your perspective -- you said it was very close -- what lessons can the democrats take away from this past election?

>> we're at the beginning of learning all the things that we could have done better and more powerfully, that we can apply going forward. one that jumps out is that for so many americans, they had support from the pandemic era recovery programs. people remember the checks they got with trump's name. they might remember the child tax credit that president biden supported. that left them trying to find funds to meet their basic needs, how to fill a prescription and buy groceries as prices went up. what we have seen everywhere in the world and in the united states is that those hardest hit by inflation were the people most likely to shift towards whatever party was out of power because they wanted change. we also know that the more people heard vice president harris' message, especially in battleground states and in wisconsin, where we had the smallest gap in the election, those who heard harris' message were more likely to support

harris. the big thing that we need to figure out as a party is how to reach people who have other priorities, other things happening in their lives. folks of modest means across race and geology to ensure that they hear the democratic message that we are fighting for working people. we are the party that stands up to the billionaire special interests and delivers for working families to make ends meet. we fight for freedom and dignity and respect that every person deserves. if we can get that message out, which means communicating with more places through our words and actions, then we will win elections in 2025 through 2028. >> the democrats are set to find themselves in a tough situation heading into next year when they will be out of the white house and in the minority in both the house and the senate. should democrats be looking for ways to resist the incoming

administration and its leadership on capitol hill or search for opportunities for bipartisan compromise? >> we know what trump plans to do. he has been signaling it through his campaign and project 2025, which he disavowed and is now getting ready to implement. the battle he wants to wage is a chance to rip off the american public to give trillions of dollars to the wealthiest people like his new best friend elon musk. it's unpopular. it's bad for america. we will show whose side we are on and whose side they are on. at the same time, there are elections happening in years like 2025. i will name one. in wisconsin we have a state supreme court election ta will determine the majority. when we lose those elections, republicans seized power, rigged states. they have a republican national majority in the u.s. house because they gerrymandered north carolina.

there's a path to ensuring our congressional districts get un-gerrymandered. that can help build democracy. that race and races like that at the same time as we fight back against trump's worst ies, we will work to win in local races across the country. i want the dnc to be a partner to build that fighting energy to do things that will make a difference for working people. >> your state of wisconsin was one of the swing states in the election that showed a split down the ballot. trump won there after losing the state to joe biden in 2020. however, voters broke that trend as incumbent democratic senator tammy baldwin won her race to keep her senate seat. how do you interpret that result in your home state? what can democrats learn from wisconsin in general? >> wisconsin has been a state that if you look nationally has

voted more republican than the national average in 2016, in 2020. wisconsin is a whiter, more rural working class state. often that nationally has meant states moving republican. this time we actually voted more for harris than the national average. we had the smallest swing towards trump of any battleground state. the reason for that is that we turned out more voters for harris who voted for baldwin than we had for biden in 2020. there were more voters who turned out and supported donald trump in this election, so he won by less than 1 percentage point in this state. both sides saw their vote count go up. 50,000 people more than that who voted for trump didn't vote for republicans down ballot. they did not have an integrated campaigning machine. we won our u.s. senate race and flipped 14 state legislative seats on the maps, thanks to supreme court ictories.

communicate in every community and talk about issues, it can make a difference. it's not enough at this point to overcome a six-point national swing towards the republicans, which is what we saw. but it almost got there in the presidential. it did down ballot. if we can do that in 2026, them we will flip the u.s. house of representatives and make headway towards a federal try fek ifect the next democratic president will have. >> all right. chair of the democratic party of wisconsin, candidate for dnc chair. coming up with 50 days left until trump's inauguration, sifl -- civil rights groups are preparing for stops to stop his promised rollbacks on our rights. what's their plan? after the break. like when it becomes her favorite place to cuddle.

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welcome back to "politics nation." in anticipation of what president-elect trump has vowed to do, various groups and organizations are preparing for a fight to prevent the further erosion of civil rights. what worries them most? let's ask one of the leaders, damon hewitt. welcome to the show. unfortunately or fortunately we have a lot to cover. we work together in a group of civil rights groups and we are preparing to deal certain ways with the march and rally on king day, which is also inauguration day in washington. but you and others are part of the group are suing to stop trump's plans for mass

deportation, stop for police immunity, cuts to school lunch programs and more, much more. what are the things that concern you the most? >> there's so many concerns. i tell you, top of among those is what's going to happen with respect to federal administrative agencies? trump's plan seems to be, just like project 2025, to neuter and dismantle those agencies. here is one of the ironies. conservatives have conceded in making the office of president more powerful while weak ening agencies. presidents get things done through the agencies. when they dismantle those agencies, i think there's going to be a challenge there to actually deliver what the american people need.

the typical tool that we use to address what agencies do in the affirmative is the 5d administrative procedures act. we are concerned about voting rights. there have been obviously massive changes at the state level throughout the nation in terms of restrictions on voting rights. a trump department of justice will probably keep ushering it in. you ed policing. we're not clear what trump will do. i can foresee a deeper entanglement of federal law enforcement with state and local in ways that are not for the benefit of our civil rights. >> he has talked openly about stop and frisk and you shouldn't be nice when you are a policeman arresting somebody. don't put their head down gently. be rough.

clearly, in terms of policing, he is not supporting things that we made progress over the last several years. talk to me about how trump -- how his rollback on rights will impact black and brown communities on the ground. for example, trump says he plans to pay restitution to white people who are supposed victims of diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives. are you concerned that this -- that the dismantling the federal diversity programs will not only result in litigation but also private sector attacks. >> we have seen litigation since the affirmative action case. there's challenges to federal programs designed to address not just racial disparity but

structural discrimination against black, brown and in some cases jewish businessowners who are trying to make a living. we can foresee much of that litigation continuing and seeing more. the signal from trump is that his people want to turn equal protection on its head. they want to say, not only is it unconstitutional to have what people used to call a set aside or a race-conscious program to benefit people of color, they want to erase neutral policies intended to help people of color in the process. they want to turn equal protection on its head. >> and a complete rewrite of history. the reason we had affirmative action and other government programs is it was government laws that barred people,

particularly blacks by name, from having certain entry into certain colleges and certain educational and certain business areas. some cases, i'm sure, will make their way to court battles. some could find their way to federal courts with conservative judges, including the supreme court which has a six to three conservative majority. of course, trump will have the executive power to install more conservative judges to the federal bench. what's the plan to fight this? >> the plan has to be to fight in courts but also in congress as well. the u.s. senate has an advisory consent role. the bar has been lowered, especially since gaetz withdrew. we will have more fights not just about cabinet members but also about judges, which is very important right now. we know that we have to fight

not just in congress but also in the courts of public opinion for folks to understand that people who say they are going to the bench to call balls and strikes are rigging the game from the start. we have to show people exactly who the nominees are. certainly, play to not just the common sense but also the american people. >> last question, your group the lawyers commit for civil rights under the law, was formed at the request of president john f. kennedy as he was a sitting president. this was amid a civil rights era in 1963. do you think there's a familiarity to the pushback on civil rights then and now? >> without question. let's make no mistake. it's not as if when president kennedy convened nearly 250 lawyers to form a lawyers committee that the majority of the nation was itching to enforce civil rights.

he had a moral compass. lbj took that up to a large extent. it's always been a smaller group of thoughtful, committed people who are visionaries or courageous or crazy enough to think they can make a difference. in many cases, that's what has made a difference in this country. what feels so very familiar is that in the early 1960s, we were on the precipice of what felt like a disaster. the decade got more and more difficult for this nation. you saw hundreds of thousands of people marching peacefully in the streets. multiracial and multigenerational groups and black activists surveilled and people's lives threatened and taken. we are at another inflection point where civil rights must come out the other side as the winner. >> that's why some of us are going to be in the streets and

the courts, n-violently but forcefully. damon hewitt, thank you for being with us. still to come, congress is back to work this week. what can they accomplish before trump and the republicans take over the country? we'll be right back.

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ceo and founder of all in together, lawrence leader. charlie, congress comes back from recess this week. what can we expect republicans and democrats to actually accomplish together by the end of the year? might i remind everyone, there's a government funding deadline fast approaching in three weeks, on december 20th. >> well, as a former member of the house appropriations committee, i can tell you that the funding deadline is everything they need to focus on right now in congress. the big question is, will congress just simply pass another continuing resolution or an extension into the new year, or will they try to complete all 12 appropriations bills? i think more the adults in congress want to pass appropriations bills, clear the decks so to speak. that would be in president-elect trump's best interests to clear those decks rather than have to deal with this issue of the next

year's funding right as he is assuming office and trying to organize his administration. that's the big question, will they deal with that as well as the debt ceiling which ripens, i believe, on january 2nd. there won't be a lot of time for congress to deal with that issue in the new year. i'm not sure the ability for the treasury to kick that date out further is not likely to happen. they have a lot to deal with. the funding thing should be done. i get a sense they will try to kick it into the new year, which will be a mistake. >> lawrence, as if both parties don't have enough on their plates already, democratic lawmakers on the hill are now weighing whether to push out aging senior leaders like representative nadler for younger lawmakers who have more agility to take on donald trump. is this helpful or hurtful? then the same question to you, charlie. >> look, i have said for years that i always thought it was

problematic that democrats base so much of their congressional seniority on the number of years that people have served this office, which republicans don't do. they use a different process to appoint leaders to various committees. the problem on democratic side is that it insentencourages thi. i do think that after what happened in this last election, it's an important time for democrats to re-evaluate everything about the face of the party and the way we run things. i don't want to be ageist. jerry nadler has served for decades. but it's a really critical time for the party to demonstrate that we are agile in terms of leadership and there are other perspectives. i thought it was a problem. nancy pelosi set the example by handing the reigns to hakeem jeffries s when she could have held on. that's the example we need.

we need folks who are -- have incredible ability to communicate, who can make a strong case sitting in those leadership chairs. >> charlie? >> yeah, look, my -- i tend to agree that house republicans have had an advantage over the democrats in this regard. house republicans have not used seniority as a measuring stick to become a committee chair. it happens regularly that a more junior member will surpass a more senior member to get the reigns of a full committee chairmanship. it happens regularly. frankly, it's a good thing. they have term limits on committee chairs that limit the amount of time anyone can be there. i think the democrats have had a problem with longevity. look what happened with joe biden. there was a younger generation of democrats wanting to have the mantle of leadership passed on. there was resistance. nancy pelosi, hoyer, clyburn stuck in there and had a

difficult time passing the reigns, which they did. this is a challenge for the democrats. we see it with their chairs as well in some cases. i think the democrats could learn something from house republicans on this issue. >> lauren, trump is on a tariff threat rampage again. this time he is threatening 100% tariffs at countries in the so-called bric alliance. if they abandon the u.s. dollar. what are you hearing about the potential real-life impact of trump's tariff tantrums? could the people who voted trump into office be on the outs with him on day one? >> you know, one of the remarkable things about trump is that he manages to convince his supporters that he has done things that sometimes he hasn't actually done. the threats of tariffs sometimes is actually enough that people then think he has done it in some way and they don't see results or impact of it on prices because it didn't happen. i think this is a lot of saber

rattling. one of the challenging things about this lame duck period where you have -- there's one president at a time. but trump has an enormous ability to influence global markets and global stability through truth social and the announcements he makes. we saw him walk back the massive tariffs with mexico. he got a call -- the whole thing is very theatrical. but i worry because i think we all understand and certainly a lot of economists who trump appointed to some key posts in his administration understand what a devastating affect this would have on the global markets. i have a hard time believing he is going to blow up global markets to prove a point. we will see. we won't know until january. >> i want to look back at the democrats' loss of pennsylvania.

they lost the electoral votes and the senate race by bob casey last month. as one local pittsburgh outlet put it, it sowed doubts about whether pennsylvania is leaving the ranks of up for grabs swing states. what's your fake? >> pennsylvania is a swing state. it will likely be a swing state for the foreseeable future. i think it's probably fair to say things are moving a little bit. we saw that in this election where republicans -- republican candidates and donald trump in particular performed extremely well in the rural areas. democrats underperformed -- kamala harris underperformed in philly and in suburban communities. if you saw what happen in pennsylvania -- men in particular went hard for the republicans, including a lot of hispanic men. that's an issue for the democrats to deal with. republicans right now are i

think -- they feel empowered. but you have to temper that. we will have a mid-term and a referendum, that 2026 on the . i don't say anything is permanent in this business. i think pennsylvania, if i had to say anything, it's still purple. maybe a slight tinge of red but the slightest. >> lauren, you are thinking about next year's women's march with trump in office. will the 2025 women's march galvanize or repel? what concerns you this time around? will we see you on the front lines? i'm hearing some doubts from you. >> look, i will continue to do the work that i've been doing for a decade, which is advocating for gender equality in every dimension of american society, in politics and in business. i will never back off of that. the question i raise in the piece, which comes from a lot of

our peers and many of the extraordinary women who you know who were at the forefront of organizing the women's marches in 2017 and from african american women questioning whether the resources are best used with a march or whether they should be invested into the grass-roots organizing that's going to need to continue into the coming years. i think that there is a time and place for everything. i'm a believer in political dissent and in marching. they have been critical to american democracy. i know you are organizing a march. i support that. what i wanted to just report was this sense from -- that i'm hearing from so many women leaders and many african american women who just feel it would be performative to do it now. the issues are deep and require a more sustained and deeper focus than just showing up to march. that was the point i was trying to make. i think people will turn out. i think it's an important time to consider the ways to organize

in this very challenging time for so many groups that will be sustainable. >> yeah. i think we should not call marches. i don't without having follow-up in local communities. otherwise, it's performative. marches are to energize people for work, not think that's the work itself. former congressman dent and lauren leader, ceo of all in together, thank you both for being with us. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. our own tools... and sell them directly to you. no middleman. no folks in suits telling us to raise prices for the heck of it. just quality tools you can trust... at prices you'll love. that's how we like to do business any way. whatever you do, do it for less at harbor freight. hurry in for black friday deals up to 70% off.

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earlier today, president biden and first lady jill delivered remarks at an event to commemorate world aids day. the event was held at the white house with survivors, their families and advocates. president biden highlighted the administration's work to advance policy solutions to the hiv/aids

epidemic at home and abroad. i remember when hiv/aids first surfaced, how there were all kind of dire warnings. yet, the world began to rally across racial and nationality lines and even nations coming together to deal with this epidemic. and now three decades later, it's an example of what we can do if we find common ground. also tonight, president biden is leaving for angola on a trip that will deliver on a promise to visit africa during his presidency. biden will focus on a major u.s.-backed railway project that aims to divert critical minerals away from china. the project links the resource-rich democratic republic of the conga and zambia to the angolan port on the atlantic ocean, offering a fast

and efficient route for exports to the west. i wish the president good luck. i'm glad to see him support by physically going there to support this project. and i'm concerned that his successor has caused several african nations s-hole countries. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i will see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. first as a panelist on "morning joe" tomorrow morning 7:00 a.m. eastern time. "the sunday show" starts right here on msnbc at the top of the hour.

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