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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of chris jansing reports. at this hour, kash only. donald trump taps kash patel for fbi director. his plan to quote turn the department into a quote, museum of the deep state. and out with the old and in with the new. congressman raskin challenging jerry nadler to be the ranking member on the house judiciary committee. why he says it's time for a changing of the guard. plus, president biden in a major reversal gives a sweeping pardon to his son just days before he was set to be sentenced in two different cases. what the white house press secretary revealed about why a short time ago on air force one. and what israel is now saying about the last moments of
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a new yorker, a young israeli american hostage whose story we've shared before. we begin with president-elect trump's plan to put kash patel at the head of the fbi. ryan riley is reporting from washington, d.c. i know reaction's been coming in, ryan. is it largely along party lines? what's the latest you're hearing? >> yeah, largely. i think it's still sort of up in the air whether there will be enough republicans to push back against this as to whether this will be a painful or smooth process for kash patel. but you know, he's essentially a conservative influencer at this point who has said some really strong things about the justice department. he wrote a book famously about donald trump that ortrayed trump as a king and him a wizard.
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that's a unique background for someone to head the largest law enforcement body in the country, but here's some of what lawmakers are saying about the nomination thus far. >> i think kash patel is a very strong nominee. i think kash patel is going to be confirmed by the senate. you look at his background. he has a serious professional background. >> donald trump campaigned on reforming the fbi and the department of justice. so i don't know why any of this is frankly surprising to people. >> it doesn't surprise me that he will pick people that he believes are very loyal to himself and that's been a part of the process. >> so there you have it thus far. you've gotten support from key members of the senate in support of kash patel. obviously, this would be pretty devastating for the bureau and some of the folks inside of the bureau. this is someone who's really taken a hammer to the fbi itself. he's made numerous claims about what the fbi is about.
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he's talking about the deep state all the time. certainly something a lot of employees at the fbi are not sleeping well over thanksgiving weekend. >> thank you. donald trump intends to nominate patel to lead the fbi years before the current director is supposed to step down. lisa ruben is following that aspect of the story. is this precedent breaking? >> in a way, it is. and certainly it's a break with the federal statute that authorizes the fbi director to have a ten-year term. that statute was passed in 1976 largely in reaction to two developments. one, the three-decade plus tenure at the fbi of hoover who had long documented abuses of his powers in the agency. and also, a reaction to the nixon era where richard nixon had nominated to lead the fbi a gentleman who was giving his white house daily briefings on how the fbi was investigated nixon himself. so in putting in that statute,
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it was congress' intent that on one hand, the fbi director would be insulated from political pressures but on the other hand, that the congress would have a say and also that the president would be protected from somebody who overstayed their welcome. it's only happened twice that an fbi director has been fired since 1976. one example is of course, jim comey, who was fired by this same president. president trump, who's about to take office again. the only other example came in 1983 when william sessions was fired by bill clinton for using fbi transportation for personal purposes. >> lisa, thank you. now to the growing backlash over president biden's decision to pardon his son, hunter. kelly o'donnell is following that for us. what's the latest, kelly? >> reporter: well, good to be with you, chris. there is reaction and it includes criticism across the political spectrum of the
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president's decision to pardon his son in a sweeping way that covers a more than decade long period of time for any activities that have been already charged or those that have not. of course, that comes in with the potential for ongoing investigation that could have gone forward in a trump administration and with a republican-led key committees in congress and that sort of thing. so protecting his son in the larger environment, reversing what he said many times publicly. among those who are critical now is vermont senator, democrat, peter welch, who says in a post that president biden's pardon of son, hunter, is as the action of a loving father understandable but as the action of our nation's chief executive, unwise. that echoes some of what we've heard from democrats around the country who have been critical understanding, making the distinction that the father role, they understand, but they
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believe that the president reversing what he had said publicly and also some of the criticism directed by president biden toward the prosecution of his son, putting it in a political context that that could put democrats at some disadvantage in the future or give sort of a free pass to donald trump when he returns to office for his use of pardons and so forth. so there are a lot of political ramifications to this, chris. >> thank you. now to israel where an american born israeli soldier who was thought to have been taken hostage is now presumed dead. we heard from president biden about this this morning, offering words about omar. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: so, omar was killed we understand now on october 7th. he was thought to be a hostage in gaza this entire time, but it was announced by israeli authorities that in fact he was killed on that day that hamas mounted those attacks in
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southern israel and that his body was then taken into the enclave. he's an israeli u.s. citizen, 21 years old. as i mentioned, thought to be a hostage. so this has to be devastating news for his family. he had deferred his enrollment to university in order to join the israeli military after high school. he is a native of new york. and you see him there in his idf uniform. he has a similar profile actually chris to edan alexander that hamas featured in a hostage video a few days ago. alexander, we were able more or less to date the video as being recent because he mentioned a $5 million reward that netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, offered to palestinians who had helped free hostages and that offer was made on the 19th of november. this now though the images you're seeing are of omar and you mentioned the president and the first lady issued a statement and it reads joe and i
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are devastated and outraged to learn of the death of omar neutra, an american citizen, whose body hamas has apparently been holding since they killed him since their brutal terrorist attack november 7th. the number of hostages in the gaza strip, chris, i believe the last figure was 101, but it's believed more than half are actually not alive anymore and the others obviously more than a year in are being held in very difficult conditions just as the rest of the gaza strip has suffered immensely as well with almost 45,000 killed across the enclave. chris? >> thank you. now to the breaking news from capitol hill where jamie raskin is officially challenging long time colleague, jerry nadler, for an important and influential committee spot. sahil has the latest on this.
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i know there have been rumblings that some democrats have wanted younger leadership they feel could stand up to donald trump. what's happening here? >> reporter: that's right. the maryland democrat has announced to colleagues in a letter that he will challenge jerry nadler for the coveted position of ranking member. the top democrat on the judiciary committee. in a letter to colleagues that was obtained by our colleague, ali vitali, raskin says quote, in the 119th congress, the judiciary committee will be the headquarters of congressional opposition to authoritarian ism and maga's campaign to dismantle our constitutional system and the rule of law as we know it, unquote. he goes on to make his case for this. he's the ranking member on the oversight committee. he is very well-known to a lot of people as the lead impeachment manager for the second trump impeachment. he was also a member of the select committee to investigate
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january 6th. so this is raskin challenging nadler, who has held the position of top democrat. both ranking member and chair of the judiciary committee for years. it comes as there are some indications of younger democrats challenging for those roles. we saw jared hufman challenge raul on the national resources committee. that kind of resolved itself when he resigned. democrats have the seniority system on committees where a lot of them stay for long periods of time and maybe some democrats want to challenge that. >> thank you. in 90 seconds, it's not just who president biden pardoned, it's the scope of the pardon. more on that coming up. scope on more on that coming up for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪
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president biden's full and unconditional decade long pardon for his son is as politico puts it, quote, an extraordinary political act with extraordinary legal breadth, adding we haven't seen a pardon as sweeping as hunter biden's in generations. politico comparing it ford's pardon of nixon in 1974. it covers nearly a decade, from january 1st, 2014, to december 1st, 2024, including when he served on the board of the
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ukrainian gas company while joe biden was vice president. joining us now, carol lee. i also want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, paul butler. here with me in studio. "new york times" national reporter and msnbc contributor, jeremy peters. so, carol, the start of january 1st, 2014. not a random choice, clearly. walk us through the significance of this timeline and what it covers. >> sure. it starts in 2014 and that is the year when hunter biden joined the board of barisma, the ukrainian energy company, while his father was vice president. that was something that came under sharp scrutiny by republicans. if you then go through the timeline all the way up until december 1st, 2024, what happened during that time, hunter biden's dealings with china were under scrutiny.
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it's when he did the actions that he was convicted of in terms of the gun charges and the tax evasion and so all of that together, this is is time frame that has been under the microscope in the political sphere and attacked by republicans for years. so what you're seeing is the president deciding to take that time frame and basically try to inoculate his son from any future investigations that might take place. in a new trump administration, for instance. we know that there is concern that within the president's family and his closest allies that there would be new targeting of hunter biden in a trump administration, second trump administration, and we also know from our own reporting that the pardon is something that the president actually never really took off the table. he said publicly he wouldn't do it, but our reporting shows that he was, he hadn't ruled this out. and so it was always an option because he was facing potential jail time and that was something
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that the president was very concerned about. we know from our own reporting and others that hunter biden is strong focused for the president just in terms of how much he thinks about him and worries about him because of his history with addiction. so all of that now has added up to the white house on the defensive over this decision, not just the decision to do it, because it is a reversal, but also the justification that the president is putting out there that this was political and really taking a parting shot at the justice department in his final weeks in office. >> yeah. something that is putting a lot of democrats they feel in an awkward position to say the least. but it does go beyond the cases i think just obviously hunter biden has been prosecuted for. some of the other things that republicans have suggested that he should be investigated for. i did think it was notable in the statement that joe biden said as a father and president in that order. he said father.
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>> father first. exactly. this is a father who was worried about his son who's suffered greatly through addiction. whose sobriety, like anyone's, is very tenuous. and he did probably what i would say is the least surprising thing of his presidency. >> really? >> i saw this coming a mile away. even though he issued very strong denials, it just seemed like such a no brainer because what was he faced with? talking about a pardon for a couple of days worth of a news cycle or dealing with his son potentially being the subject of congressional and fbi and justice department investigations for years and years to come. this ensures we won't be dealing with unless there's something that falls outside the scope of ten years. this allows the country to just move on from the biden family saga, which has been pretty messy and once biden steps, leaves office on january 20th, i
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think we'll probably just move on. >> move on. paul, even if republicans still talk about hunter biden legally, anything that falls under those dates, he's protected. this is within the purview of any president to do that. >> with a ten-year time expanse, hunter biden has a get out of jail free card including for crimes that he hasn't been charged with. i think a lot of people can sympathize with biden as a father when a family member is locked up, sometimes their loved ones feel like they're doing the time on the outside while the inmate does the time on the inside. but there's a whole process for how someone applies for clemency at the justice department. they're supposed to go through the office of pardon attorney which then does this extensive background check to see if a person has expressed remorse and is rehabilitated. even then, almost nobody gets a
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pardon. so, chris, president biden completely circumvented this process and he's not focused on hunter's remorse. he's saying that hunter should never have been prosecuted in the first place. as you note, this grant of clemency is extraordinarily raw. >> president biden, paul, as "the washington post" points out, joins a short list of family members. donald trump did pardon his in law. bill clinton pardoned his half brother. this was after they had been convicted. no net has been cast this wide except obviously arguably nixon and that was not a family situation. does this set a precedent and what does it mean going forward, do you think, potentially? >> so, donald trump wants to pardon the january 6th
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defendants who have been convicted in court and are serving time. i think politically, this makes it easier for him to do that. if donald trump wants to pardon himself for anything that he might be prosecuted for or anything that he might have done, i think this makes it easier for him. of course, president biden says the difference with hunter is that hunt er is the victim of a political prosecution. it's true that the justice department technically prosecuted hunter, but the actual prosecutor, david weiss, was a holdover from the trump administration. merrick garland made him special counsel so he has a lot of authority to prosecute cases as he sees fit, but that gives some freedoms to president biden's concerns that his son is being unfairly targeted. the reality is that the one case he was charged with, those charges are rarely brought as stand alone charges.
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they usually are accompanied by something more serious and hunter paid back his back taxes and any fees or penalties. when a department doesn't bring those cases as well, but at the end of the day, chris, hunter biden was convicted in the crime case by a jury of his peers and he pled guilty in the tax case. so if he really thought he was the victim of selective prosecution, why didn't he try to continue to fight that report? some people will say if he knew his daddy could get him off, there wasn't any reason to go through the legal proceedings. >> well, jeremy, hunter biden, his pardon stands out for a lot of reasons. that he has not granted a lot of clemency. in september, they wrote no modern u.s. president going back to nixon has had a clemency rate so low. i wonder if that gives us any insight into what he might do his last couple of months. have you heard anything about other potential pardons by joe
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biden before he leaves office? >> i think we know from history these things come at the end of a term. so in a few weeks, we may know a lot more. i think what this pardon can tell us, the future actually applies not to joe biden, but to donald trump. and always, i think, donald trump was going to issue pardons that were going to be for his political benefit. they were going to be colored by his sense of persecution and the persecution of his followers. things like the january 6 rioters. he probably was always going pardon them. now he's going to cite the hunter biden pardon. so it makes him a little bit more convenient for him, but i don't think it changed anything trump was going to do or not do. >> can i ask a basic question? if you're pardoned, does that mean you no longer have a criminal record? >> it means if asked if you've ever been convicted of a crime,
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you can say no. a pardon is different than expungement. a pardon means that you acknowledge that you broke the law or could be charged with breaking the law but in the eyes of the law, it's like you were never charged at all. >> carol lee, thank you. paul and jeremy, you're going to stay with us. still to come, the rare presidential do over. the presidential machine helped staff trump's first term. now with trump getting a second chance in the oval, what it could mean that he's drawing from steve bannon's playbook. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. watching reports only on msnbc. [♪ you've got to give a little ♪] [♪ take a little ♪] giving without expecting something in return. ♪ giving that's possible through the power of dell ai with intel. so those who receive
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he's surrounding himself with loyalists like kash patel for fbi, a florida sheriff to head the dea. naming his son-in-law's father, charles kushner, a convicted felon who served prison time, as ambassador to france. they're people highly unlikely to stand up to him as so many did during his first term from vice president pence and general john kelly to bill barr and michael cohen. is this an indication as trump's opponents warned during the campaign of a president without guardrails? or is it a team that will work together to fulfill the promises trump made to voters? garrett haake joins me now. former aide to then speakers john boehner and paul ryan and msnbc political analyst, brandan buck and jeremy peters is back with me. okay, garrett. how is donald trump taking advantage of his second chance here with his picks? >> well, trump has long understood that personnel was a problem for him in the first administration, which was essentially a shotgun marriage
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between his maga movement and the republican party. now four years after he left office the first time, the maga movement is the republican party. so i think he's having a much easier time selecting people who both meet his resume requirements and pass his loyalty test. either from people he's known since 2015, 2016, to people who have joined him along the way like tulsi gabbard and robert f. kennedy jr. who have passed those internal tests in trump world. that's how he's filled out his cabinet selections in record time and that's sort of the team he will be riding with between now and january or so when their confirmation hearings start. which is really the challenge for him now, these folks who are largely unvetted nationally before trump picked them are getting the full spectrum media vetting now in realtime. >> yeah. thank you for that, garrett.
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obviously, jeremy, he can put whoever he wants in certain positions that don't need confirmation, but any way, he's got kash patel, charles kushner. another in law. his daughter, tiffany, trump's father-in-law. he has appointed to a middle east position. all in the family, right? >> right. >> does that signal to you, is there a general feeling that this is donald trump saying i have a mandate. my mandate is to do what i said i would do and frankly, the things he said out on the campaign trail are things that these folks can help him with. >> right. i think donald trump has always had a certain disdain for protocol and order, especially around washington conventions. and so he just doesn't care. he's going, it's not that unusual for somebody to be, for a friend of the campaign or family in this case to be appointed to something like the ambassador to france. that's not a very sensitive position.
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but some of these other picks, we'll have to see how far they get through the senate. well, i mean, the president is an ex-felon, not an ex-felon, he's a convicted felon, so that doesn't strike me as so out of the norm at least when we're talking about donald trump. >> is donald trump putting republicans in a difficult position with some of these picks? and would you expect that there could be some more fights coming up? >> yes, certainly. not necessarily that the appointments you all were just talking about. i'll remind everybody that donald trump had his daughter and son-in-law as white house staff the first time around. so it's not as though it was completely traditional white house, even from the jump last time. but certainly the people he's expecting to get senate confirmed here are far beyond, at least some of them, are far beyond the norm of what anybody would expect to have any type of easy confirmation. i would like to caution people
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while they are sort of shock and awe at the moment, it's still very early. we're going to learn a lot more about these people in the process. with pete hegseth, we're learning more and more about his personal history. it's not necessarily like what is their background and qualifications. they're going to have to answer a lot of questions. people are going to have to sit in front of a senate panel and talk about what their actual goals are. they can say what they want, but it's important to realize the process has not even really begun for a lot of these people and there's going to be added level of scrutiny for people who aren't die hard trump supporters opportunities to vote, and i expect they will. >> jeremy, you've done a lot of reporting on steve bannon. one of trump's biggest
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supporters, allies. he has a big megaphone now that he's out of prison. he's back doing the war room. but he features a lot of folks on his podcast, which is heard by millions. is this not just about all in the family, but maga synergy? >> absolutely. trump's motto after the last presidential, successful presidential run in 2016 was promises made, promises kept. that was a very important motto for him to live up to because he needed re-election. he needed to honor his commitments to the religious right by naming the right supreme court judges. he did do that. this time, he doesn't need to do that. so his payback seems to be those people who have stood behind him who didn't abandon him when he was politically toxic and that's what we're seeing here. i think some of his biggest cheerleaders who despite their sketchy, checkered pasts, are being elevated to potentially
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these tremendous positions of power. i think what they're doing is actually quite clever by putting so many of these people up who clearly are going to have issues getting through the senate, who republicans have said hold on, wait a second. i don't know about this. i don't want to say almost makes matt gaetz seem quaint, but certainly, there's no way that the senate is going to block all of these controversial picks. so they're going to pick one, two, just a very small number to really dig in on. >> we know trump has repeatedly, besides promises made, promises kept, and he has said i'm going to keep my promises to you. he's also talked about retribution if given a second term. i want to play what he said about this in 2023. >> in 2016, i declared i am your voice. today, i add i am your warrior. i am your justice. and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your
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retribution. i will fire the unelected bureaucrats and shadow forces who have weaponized our justice system like it has never been weaponized before. these are sick people. >> they keep it moving. that's a conversation for another time. do you get a sense, brendan, that donald trump would get congressional support from republicans for etribution? >> i don't think you would get a lot of pushback. it's one thing to talk about whether it's project 2025 or whatever aggressive agenda people want to talk about. donald trump cares and looks at the world basically through himself. i think it's important to appreciate his agenda is only important so much as it makes him look good and it's only important to him as much it satisfies his urgings so of course he's going to come in and
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say first thing we're going to do is go after the people who wronged me. he can frame it as doing it on behalf of other people, but he's the most self-centered president we've ever had. that says a lot. his entire world view is are you with me or against me? if you're against me, i'm coming after you. what can he do in that in practice? there are real limitations and i think some of the threat is overblown but i don't think he cares that much about solving problems for the american people. he sees this as his opportunity to change the narrative, change history, and frankly make himself feel good. that may be all he cares about. >> you mentioned matt gaetz, jeremy, and the person after he took himself out of the running, who donald trump picked to replace him is pam bondi, former florida attorney general. we have some video of her meeting with chuck grassley. he is as you know, the senator who will be chairman of the senate judiciary committee. later today, she's going to be meeting with the current senator
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who has the judiciary committee, lindsey graham. but these are part of the typical capitol hill meetings that happen if you're going to be the nominee. you have to go and talk to some of these senators before there is a public hearing. what are pam bondi's chances? good? >> i would say better than pete hegseth's at this point. i find it hard to be hegseth will make it through given what we have seen trickle out about his background and the various allegations that women have made against him. and kash patel will be another one who is pretty hard to get through. so, yeah, pam bondi, by contrast, seems perfectly conventional even though she's not quite in the mold of the typical attorney general nominee, i think, you know, in the trump reality, she's, she seems okay. >> well, we have a little comment. chuck grassley said they weren't
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going to take questions, but bondi said should i earn the trust of the senators, i will work tirelessly for the american people. there she is on capitol hill. the woman who donald trump has selected, pam bondi. he wants her to be the new attorney general. brandan buck, jeremy peters, thank you, both. coming up, the states of emergency as winter misery blankets the great lakes with feet of snow. inter misery blankets the great lakes with feet of snow of liste rine. it kills 99.9% of bad breath germs for five times more cleaning power than brushing and flossing alone. get a next level clean... ahhhhh with listerine. feel the whoa! ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ woah, limu! we're in a parade. everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. and you have this dream every night?
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record breaking snowfall in the midwest to northeast has frozen holiday travel and put millions under weather warnings and it's now up to a foot of snow barrelling down on part of the u.s. in the next 24 hours. some areas in upstate new york already got a staggering 58 inches of heavy snow. >> it's heavier. boy. more than 2,000 flights have been delayed today. roads are disaster zones with vehicles either buried or stuck on frozen, jam packed highways. it was almost fatal for one 64-year-old woman whose battery powered heart pump was running low. luck le, new york state troopers were able to pick up the couple and fly them to a hospital in time for the life saving surgery. erin mcloughlin is in erie,
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pennsylvania, where conditions have been so bad they called in the national guard. sam brock is reporting from laguardia airport. erin, officials pleading with people don't leave home if you can help it. tell us what the situation is now and how long it might go on. >> reporter: yeah, here's the thing, chris. there are thousands of people throughout this region who simply can't leave home. i was spoking to one resident, she lives not far from here. she has been stuck inside her house since friday. that's when she says this tremendous amount of snowfall caught everyone by surprise. she said she can't even open her front door. she's waiting for a snowplow to arrive on her street to dig her out. and this is especially an issue for the elderly, the medically vulnerable. that is something that county executives here are focused on. earlier today, we went out with county executive brenton davis as he personally responded to a
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call from an elderly resident who couldn't get out of his home. he helped dig him out. take a listen to that change. when did you realize you couldn't get out? >> yesterday. >> this is pretty close to what we had in 2017. it might be beyond that. we got it faster this time. >> more than i even -- all week. >> reporter: and as he pointed out, this situation can be deadly. especially when you consider emergency response times. normally here in erie county, pennsylvania, it takes about half an hour for an ambulance to respond to a 911 call. davis said that problem now
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magnified. he said it's taking ambulances hours to respond. it's something that the national guard is here addressing right now. also the matter of getting hospital, doctors and nurses to hospitals. medical workers, they're out organizing car pools, picking people up, digs folks out so that all important medical services are working in this part of the country. and so you know, going forward, you can tell behind me, the snow is still falling. although speaking to county officials, they say for the most part at this point, they've done a good job getting the roads clear. now it's just digging folks out. >> it just looks so cold. thank you for your report. sam, in the warmth of laguardia airport. you got the smart assignment today. how are things looking there? >> reporter: i'm glad i'm not trading places with erin right now. as she illustrated to beautifully, there are huge pockets of the country that have just seen snow blanket the
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entire area from northwest pennsylvania to parts of western new york. yet i'm standing inside of laguardia, they've had two cancellations in 48 hours. we're talking about the sunday and the monday after thanksgiving and a total of two cancellations at chicago o'hare there, nine today. that's the sort of clubhouse leader if you will. atlanta has six. philadelphia, pennsylvania, zero. after there was a 16.5 hour long power outage at one of the terminals at philadelphia international airport over the weekend. so that has not had any sort of trickle down effects in terms of flying today. when you look at the misery map. it's just not that miserable. 2,600 delays today. about 80 cancellations. that's fluctuated. it was closer to 7,000 on sunday. the busiest one of record, almost 3.1 million passengers screened on sunday. when you look at the faa, from tuesday through saturday,
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cancellations, 0.3% and delays, 1.2% from tuesday to saturday. that's pretty darn good. especially after all the conversations we've had about staffing challenges and everything that's contributed to flyers not being able to get where they need to go. so far, it's been pretty solid. >> little bit of good news. thank you for that. the family of american israeli soldier and new york native, omar neutra, just released a statement about the death of their son. he was thought to have been captured on october 7th, 2023, but the israel in military announced today he was instead killed that day and so the family has released a statement, parents and brothers of omar, about their son who was murdered by hamas on october 7th, 2023. i'm going to read it for you in full. over the past 423 days, nearly 14 months, we have been working
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non-stop to do anything and everything possible to bring omer home alive. it was an unimaginable nightmare despite having little information or signs of life since he was seen on video being taken. he was a natural leader who made others around him better with his warmth and ability to engage and encourage others to be their best. he was deeply committed to both the people and land of israel and immigrated to israel out of that same deep commitment. on the morning of october 7th, he and his team were the first in the line of fire. operating in an isolated disabled tank while attempting to defend the border and protect the local residents under siege. we are so proud of how omer fought to the end. we are grateful he lived his life in line with the values in which we raised him, protecting the sanctity of life and
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understanding our commitment to one another, but we never imagined in our worst nightmares that we would spend this time continuing to fight for him in this way. in the 423 days since october 7th, we expected our leaders to demonstrate the same courage displayed so bravely by omer and rise to the occasion on behalf of those killed and kidnapped just as omer showed until the end. while we appreciate the support we have received from so many in our community in new york, in israel, and across the world, the feeling today is very difficult. the grief is heavy. sadly, time has run out to bring omer home alive and words alone have no power to comfort. leadership will only be revealed in actions and results going forward. we call upon the israeli government to work with president biden and president-elect trump to use all of their leverage and resources to return all 101 hostages, living, and the deceased, to
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their families as soon as possible. on this october 7th, one year since omer was believed to have been taken, one year since we know now he was murdered, his parents spoke with me about their son and we want to play part of that to remember omer. >> omer is a combination of a goofy guy, a big guy that comes into the room and just welcomes everybody. he has that leadership position that or character that people are just gravitated toward him. >> one of his very good friends shared with us after the fact that they spent some time and were discussing their plans for the future and that omer had shared with her you know, things about his family and he said if anything were to happen to me, then i know that my parents would do anything for me.
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courthouse in springfield. tell us about what came out of this hearing and then what happens next. >> reporter: yeah, chris, this hearing was procedural, but the emotion behind it was palpable. as you said, grayson, who's been in custody since his arrest, could now leave jail for the first time since then and walk free as early as friday to prepare for his first degree murder trial. that was unfur rating to family members of massey. more than two dozen people were here chanting things like sonya's life matters and f sean grayson. what led up to this was last week, the appellate court released the decision overturning this trial court's decision to keep grayson behind bar, saying the state said he's likely to prove he's going to a danger again. it gets graphic. this is when massey called 911 back in july about a possible prowler.
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grayson and a partner showed up. at one point during their change, she picked up a pot of boiling water and things escalated and he shot her in the head after telling her to drop it a few times. she crouches down behind the counter and it's become a national fire storm around this case. her family was out here, they were also inside the hearing. we talked to her dad briefly after the hearing and i asked him about one piece of verbiage the judge used saying he had to, per the appellate court's decision, take this specific thing into account when deciding whether grayson will walk free. check this out. >> the judge talked in there about getting the least restrictive conditions for former deputy grayson once he is out on pretrial release. i'm wondering if you heard that language, least restrictive, and how that hit you.
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>> that's fine. when my daughter can get up and walk out of that cemetery, then he can get out of jail. >> reporter: giving that answer then walking off camera. that's massey's dead. the judge reiterating that was per the appellate court's decision. he could walk free as soon as friday. his attorney not commenting on the decision or hearing today. it's worth noting he has pleaded not guilty to first degree murder charges and if convicted, he faces the possibility of life in prison. we'll see where this case goes from here. >> thank you. and that is going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports, next. h katy tur reports, next. . how? godaddy. coding... nah. but all that writing... nope. ai, done, built. let's get to work. create a beautiful website in minutes
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