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>> we are living in unparalleled times of corruption in both our media and government. it is our job to expose the truth no matter what the cost. my name is kash patel, and i have written the first ever russiagate book. it is called "the plot against the king" and it's about me and how we triumph to put truth over evil. >> kash patel who sees trump as the king is said king's pick for fbi director. and there are shocking new revelations about his pick for defense secretary, pete hegseth including from his own mom. neither man is qualified for those powerful job, but they do share blind loyalty to trump which is the only prerequisite. also tonight, the hunter biden pardon raises the question, why hasn't president biden pardoned far more people to cure some of the many injustices in the

system? >> and we begin tonight with what might be the worst pick in the worst cabinet in u.s. history. continuing his breakneck pace of unqualified yet theatrical cabinet nominations, donald trump rolled out perhaps his most bonkers one this weekend, kash patel, the conspiracy theorist who even william barr the cover of general thought was too unhinged to name to a deputy job in the ag's office. the meddling lawyer who after graduating from pace university was denied jobs at a series of law firms and wound up as a public defender in miami instead, good, honorable work, but then wound up as a staffer to republican congressman and longtime trump lackey devin nunez, the guy who sued a fictional cow for making fun of him on twitter before taking the helm at trump's social media grist truth social, that, guys, former deputy kash patel who was offered immunity to testify

about trump's hoarding of classified documents at mar-a-lago, that guy is trump's choice to be the new director of the fbi. now if you're familiar with the maga sphere and universe, you'll recognize patel as one of the players who floated the conspiracy that it was the fbi who did january 6th in order to frame maga supporters so they would take the blame. he has placed the stolen con pir see that targeted trump for taking no, take those national conspiracy. he produced cringe worthy version of anthem performed by the choir of january 6th insurrectionists that trump played at a number of his campaign rallies. patel is such a dedicated trump lackey, he wrote a children's book "the plot against the

king," the king, trump, of course. a fantastical retelling of hillary's horrible plot against trump to the whole family full of fake heralds and keeper komey's spying slugs. this is say story of daring and danger, but never fear, kash, the distinguished discoverer will win the day. charming. here's kash patel on steve bannon's podcast threatening to use federal law enforcement to go after the media. >> we will go out and find the conspirators not just in government, but in the media. yes, we're going to come after the people in the media who helped joe biden rig presidential elections. we're going to come after you, whether it's criminally or civilly, but yeah, we're putting you on notice. >> okay. that podcast piece is actually kind of key here. in his first administration the vibe trump wanted was generals,

four-star marine generals, john kelly and james "mad dog" mattis, he liked the nickname mad dog and four-star army general mark milley for joint chiefs chair. he called them my generals and he bragged they came from central casting though he's probably named his mind a bit now that they've labeled him a fascist to the core. he threw ceo 'wilbur ross, a dixie crafter shouldive before firing him for general barr, and a famous black-eyed huds since that's where the the projects a! cabinet! this time around if you want a through line to the people trump wants around him look to the right-wing podcasts and other conservative media all heavily funded by right-wing

billionaires, of course. here's trump's pick for director of national intelligence conspiracy theorist tulsi gabbard on the sean ryan show podcast. she's a fixture of the right wing in potosphere. and trump's pick of health and human services secretary where he lets forthwith his unique never rich guy brand of medical and other conspiracy theories for which he has no skient cien training and his wife is actress and i'm sure trump likes that. >> and linda mcmahon and its founder, linda's husband vince who is under federal investigation. they are both being sued for failing to prevent sexual abuse of teenage workers at wwe. pete hegseth, trump's defense secretary pick could be seen on fox weekends and also trump's pick for surgeon general is dr.

jeanette nasha watt and dr. oz who came from oprah winfrey and the failed nominee and matt gaetz who stepped down amid allegation of sex trafficking a teenage girl which he denies and former florida a.g. pat bondi accused of taking a $25,000 bribe from trump for her election pac are frequent figures on fox and onn. even j.d. vance rose to prominence by appearing on bannon's and other right-wing podcasts. media types like moi have to scramble to figure out who they are. trump is picking people already familiar to his base. it's how trump squeaked back into office keeping its fans especially the so-called man-o-sphere happy by people they entertained and people they trust because they're in their ear or in their phone or on

their tv is how they will keep the meg dulla satiated and mass deportations, caged children and journalists and impure recalcitrants and the army marching through the streets of these cities. the revolution against democracy will be podcast, posted and televised. his un-elected bureaucrat billionaire boys club are elon musk and vivek ramaswamy planned to launch a cial podcast just to keep their fans on twitter they serve on the servicers they'll fire and services they'll cut and not sure how many contracts are awarded to themselves. yes, these cabinet picks seem crazy to normal people used to normal politics, but trump isn't filling a cabinet. he's casting a reality show. call it "the apprentice: federal

government." which of these sideshow bobs can break the federal department first while turning each agency upside down like a piggy bank and shaking the federal dollars into their own and donald trump's pockets? how do you loot america and get a third of the country to cheer for you? a third to be too scared to fight you and the final third to tune out entirely? easy. you put on a freak show. joining me now is glen kisher in, msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, olivia troy, former homeland security and counter terror employ adviser to former vice president mike pence and hugo lowell, political investigations reporter for the guardian. thank you all for being here. glen, i want to get your first take on the kash patel nomination as somebody who worked in the doj. >> and i worked with a lot of good fbi agents, the men and women of law enforcement over the years, and i'll tell you,

joy, when i see clips of kash patel saying things like, you know what? we're going to go after people who helped joe biden rig the election and we're going to go after them -- i don't know, criminally, civilly, we'll come up with something. first of all, to me, that sounds disqualifying and if you have a senate that cares about their advice and consent responsibilities they will refuse to confirm a guy like kash patel, but here's the other thing. he is going to have to enlist lots of people if he wants to vindictively go after donald trump's announced enemies. he's going to need corrupt prosecutors. he's going to need to pull the wool over the eyes of grand jurors who are to sit and assess the evidence. he's going to have to convince judges to go along with his sham investigations and prosecutions. he's going to be blocked every step of the way now. that's little consolation to the people whose lives he will up

end going through these sham investigations for crimes that we all know weren't even committed because joe biden didn't try to steal an election. he has an uphill battle, i think, to be confirmed and it would be even worse for him if he gets in to be the director of the fbi because i believe he will have the good men and women of law enforcement bucking him every step of the way. >> well, that's a big if. if you had a senate that had the care for the american system and democracy to stop them. let me play a few. here are the republican senators reacting to the nomination. >> i think kash patel is a very strong nominee, and i think kash patel will be confirmed by the senate. you look at his background and he has a serious professional background. >> kash patel has more experience than anybody coming into this position. he has a well-rounded background

on and i look forward in supporting him and pushing this nomination across the finish line. >> there are serious problems at the fbi. the american public knows it and they expect sweeping changes and kash patel is just the guy to do it. >> it sdrntd surprise me for people loyal to himself and that's been a part of the process. >> you can almost smell the fear, olivia, and you've seen people begin to capitulate in advance. they're running scared because they now know that there aren't senators that will have the cojones, he will get through and he is appoint whoever he wants. i was fairly surprised and thankful that your name was not on it, my friend, but the names on the hit-list that kash patel publisheded in his book called government gangsters. he mentioned a bun of people who, who worked for donald trump, william barr, the cover-up general and john builton who worked national

security adviser under donald trump, john brennan under obama, pat cipollone, former white house counsel who testified against donald trump in the january 6th committee, he mentioned hillary clinton, kamala harris, eric holder, andrew mccabe, mark milley, peter strzok, robert mueller, of course, is on the enemy's list and mark esper, the former defense secretary who is the one who told donald trump you cannot shoot citizens in the leg, cassidy hutchinson, the brave young woman and braver than anybody who testified in the january 6th committee, she's on the list. so those senators are probably scared to death of getting on the list, as well. you know, i assume, have met kash patel. what do you make of this nomination and the clear terror that it is unleashing in washington? >> well, i think that these republican senators and everyone familiar with the name kash patel also know the danger that

he poses and that is because it is a well known thing in these inner circles by anyone who worked with kash. i worked with kash in the white house. i was mike pence's counter terrorism adviser. so i had to coordinate with kash a lot. kash patel is a delusional liar. let me be very clear about that and he would lie about intelligence. he would lie about making things up on operations. i think mark esper has talked about that, as well where he put the lives of navy s.e.a.l.s at risk in nigeria. these were things that were happening in real time, when he was in the role as ct coordinator in the white house, and i know this because at some point i realized that i needed to double-check kash's work to make sure that i wasn't misinforming mike pence by relying on his word so i had to go around him and this is a guy who openly has contempt for people in national security, for people especially at doj and the fbi. he'd make open comments, i think there is a little bit of fear

here from people where they know that someone like kash patel is fully capable of just doing partisan investigations, whatever it takes, it will be insane if he becomes the director of the fbi, and i fear for the law enforcement personnel there who are going to have to navigate this and quite honestly, when i look at kash patel in combination with what is pam bondy going to do? >> is that a top cover now, when i see all you have these names in these polgs because is's very real risk and to the detriment of americans, to be clear. >> very clear. >> it hurts the american people. >> it's how you build an oligarchy. >> hugo, if your reporting how determined and serious are people like kash patel and the inner circle with donald trump to literally do show trials of former trump administration officials who irritated trump by telling the truth about january

6th, of investigating fake conspiracy theories that kash patel apparently believes in, qanon, et cetera, how serious are they about doing that sort of thing in your reporting? >> i think they are very serious. the idea is democrats came after us and we'll come after them and even if the prosecutions or investigations don't end up concluding the way they want. for them that is not the purpose anymore and it's so that all sorts of people can't get to the january 6th jack smith's cases and the idea and they have to lawyer up and get dragged through grand juries and litigation battles in court. that is the idea and you can kind of see how this has metastasized over time because kash patel, yes, is loyal to trump and is ideologically aligned to trump and he's also ideologically aligned to people like steve bannon and mike davis and you played a lot of these clips at the top of the show, and i thought that was a really

good reflection of where trump world is when it stands with kash. >> kash's allies and mike davis, big time and he has detractors inside trump world, as well and people close to the incoming vice president, j.d. vance and they are, like, kash is out there even for us, but their reaction to kash getting picked, you know what? liberals brought it on themselves and so i don't know that there will be a concerted effort to try to stop kash and do whatever he wants to do if that is what it comes to. >> very quickly, to stay with you just for a moment, hugo. the connection to the sort of podcast world. there are people on x twitter suggesting other nominees. they're filling this -- this team from right-wing media, no? >> i think in part, look, trump has become more judicious in recent weeks based on my reporting. he got the big names out and the

things he really cared about is cia director and fbi director and he got attorney general and those are the big things that trump cares about. he doesn't really care about the undersecretaries and basically what we're hearing going down to mar-a-lago and there are a bunch of transition team advisors who are making more informed suggestions and i put them in the recent story where you have susie wiles and don juryior's team coalescing and they're trying to figure out who they want. >> we've got to talk more about this as this thing still quets fill out. the getting cookier and cookier for more on trfrm's disturbing picks including pete hegseth's own history with women, including his own mom calling him out on his past. don't go anywhere. on his past. don't go anywhere. i used to leak urine when i coughed, laughed or exercised. i couldn't even enjoy playing with my kids.

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we're getting a clearer picture of what kind of leader pete hegseth donald trump's choice for secretary of state would be from his own mother "the new york times" obtained a copy of an email she sent to her son during his acrimonious divorce from samantha dearing, his second wife after he had an affair and impregnated his co-worker jesse waters' show on fox. i have tried to keep quiet about

your character and behavior, but after listening to the way you made samantha feel today. i cannot stay silent. you are an abuser women, and that is the ugly truth, and i have no respect for any man that belittles, lies, cheats, sleeps around and you are that man and have been for years and as your mother it pains me and embarrasses me to say that, but it is the sad, sad truth. she goes on of accusing him of abusing women and implores him to get help. she had sent her son an email apologizing, she fired off the original email at a time when he and his wife were going through a difficult divorce. she would send this second email to the times, but ultimately she did not. the revealed, mail comes at the same time that "the new yorker" uncovered new details about what

kind of manager hegseth has been and could be at dod. according to jane mayer who wrote the piece, a trail of documents corroborated by the accounts of former colleagues indicates that hegseth was forced to step down by both of the two non-profit advocacy groups he ran, veterans for freedom and concerned veterans for america in the face of serious allegations of financial mismanagement, sexual improp impropriety and sexual misconduct. as a triumph of neoconservatism and helped promote the troop surge in afghanistan was flagged for public intoxication on the job which led to multiple incidents. the detailed seven-page report which was compiled by multiple former employees and sent to the organization's senior management in february 2015 states that at one point hegseth had to be restrained while drunk from

joining dancers on the stage of a louisiana strip club where he had brought his team. according to the same report, under his leadership, the koch brothers-backed concerned veterans for america, had become a hostile workplace that ignored serious accusations of impropriety including an allegation made by a female employee that another staffer on hegseth's team attempted to sexually assault her at a louisiana strip club. hegseth's attorney declined to comment to nbc news. the trump transition team has not responded to our request for comment. nbc news and msnbc have not independently reviewed that report. in a separate letter another employee complained that hegseth was at a bar on an official tour in ohio, drunkenly chanting kill all muslims, kill all muslims. three sources told "the new yorker" that hegseth was forced to resign from cba under pressure in part because of concerns about his management and abuse of alcohol on the job.

his lawyer told "the new yorker," that these allegations were outlandish claims by a petty and jealous disgruntled associate, end quote. olivia is still with me and joining us is retired army general paul eaton, senior adviser. general eaton, the two publications, "the new york times" quoting pete hegseth's mother and the piece, would you promote someone like that to any position in the military under your command? >> joy, the short answer is no. when your mother says you're a cad, when the koch brothers fire you, we are now in a world of you can't make this stuff up, and i'd like to bring up while we're talking about the senior civilian leader of the department of defense, we have something called the personnel

reliability program, not sure if you've heard of it, but shortly, anybody in a nuclear release chain has to be vetted under the -- under the work of the personnel reliability program, and they get into far more important things than just security clearances. they get into the psychology of the person and the reliability of the person and all of the behaviors that we are finding out now would be an immediate disqualifier and multiple disqualifier for the perp and the personalel reliability program. it's stubberville and others like them might want to read the commentary they put out there. >> the interesting thing about it i major general eaton isn't infidelity a misconduct and would drunkenness would be

acceptable among the general ranks of the military? >> joy, as you know, any organization looks to the senior leader of the organization to establish the good order of the organization, and infidelity is a chargeable offense and will cause untold anguish to any perpetrator and -- it's created generals going to colonel because the rank they served is the rank they'll retire at. so he has committed multiple offenses that would not pass muster to the chain of command. >> olivia, pete hegseth himself has described himself as a christian who adheres to christian family values in a short-lived bid from the minnesota seat in 2012. he credited his parents for

instilling those values saying i didn't learn conservatism out of a book. he wants to bridge christianism back into the schools and make the military a more honorable organization. your thoughts on what his mom said he is or at least what he was in 2018? >> certainly, i think this is another example of the hypocrisy running deep with this individual because i would believe his mom and if she's the person that raised him with these conservative values that is probably why she was writing this email because she was deeply concerned at the time and mamas know their sons. i'm very close to my mom, very, very well. they know what you are and what you are not. something like that should give someone great pause from someone from his own family, to follow up on what genentech ral eaton,

what would she be like and not even leading, the department and when he's serving the rel and when he's overseas in the countries and what the heck is he going to be doing as the leader on the ground because to me he's the perfect counterintelligence threat and the perfect prime target of foreign adversaries who are familiar with the pattern of behavior who will be digging into it because they're paying attention to it and they will exploit it. >> yes. and i want to -- yes. major general eaton, that is a huge point. john tower back in '89, this was george herbert walker's choice to be dod chair and it was a democratic controlled senate and they downed that nomination because of things like public intoxication, relations with women, relationships with defense contractors. so he went down because of ethics, right? so now you're facing somebody who to olivia's point could be a

national security risk. i mean, you've got elon musk threatening to go after colonel vinman who has honorably served in the military because he spoke negatively about donald trump. he is accusing him of being on the payroll of oligarchs saying he committed treason and will pay the appropriate penalty. you should take that threat seriously because elon controls donald trump. how would we look to the rest of the world if we have elon musk, a now duly elected member of congress, colonel vinman has been elected to congress and they have this in the background which they can google. >> you and olivia are spot on. i'll just paint a picture here. the tank is where the joint chiefs of staff and the secretary of defense meet to discuss matters of extraordinary importance. when lloyd austin walks into that room, he commands their absolute respect and he walks in

with a gravitas unknown to most men. so imagine pete hegseth with this history with his mother echoing in the chamber surrounded by the joint chiefs of staff, the men and women who operate all of the levers of the u.s. military and the greatest in the world and can you imagine what they are thinking if a guy like hegseth walks into the room to take charge of the defense department? i know what i'd be thinking. i'm sure i know what you're thinking. >> you can imagine, sir, what i'm thinking. i'm embarrassed. i'm embarrassed for us as a country about trading in a four-star general with all of the gravitas that you described that lloyd austin has, he walks on to the tv and i sit up straighter because he has such great gravitas replacing him with a dude from weekend fox with this history embarrasses me

as an american and i don't trust the republican-controlled senate to say no. olivia troy and retired major general eaton who also has tremendous gravitas whenever you are on with us, sir as we do with you, my friend, olivia troy. for all that you've done, cheers. even more of trump's crony capitalism is on display with him gifting his in-laws, his in-laws, lord have mercy with key foreign policy positions instead of picking anyone with relevant experience. we'll be right back. relevant ex. we'll be right back. dry eyes s, rough, or tired? with miebo, eyes can feel ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪ miebo is the only prescription dry eye drop that forms a protective layer for the number one cause of dry eye: too much tear evaporation. for relief that's ♪ miebo ♪ ♪ ohh yeah ♪ remove contact lenses before using miebo. wait at least 30 minutes before putting them back in.

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♪♪ ♪♪ now i know what you're thinking, there's no way donald trump is only picking fringe loyalists and fox hosts like kash patel and pete hegseth with key positions for the second administration and you're right, he's not. he's picking members of his own family. trump announced he will assign massoud boulos, father-in-law of tiffany for middle eastern affairs while ivanka's father-in-law real estate develop are charles kushner was chosen to serve as ambassador to france. you may remember that at the end of his administration trump pardoned kushner who pleaded guilty in 2004 to tax evasion

and making illegal -- and kushner admitted to hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and sent a videotape of the encounter to his own sister as revenge. joining me is the columnist for "the daily beast." it just gets weirder and your thoughts on two nepotistic nominees. >> kushner has nepotism, he's got criminality and completely incompetent for the job and as you've seen by talking about hegseth and by talking about kash patel, what trump values is loyalty. >> yeah. >> he doesn't care about national security. he doesn't care about america's standing in the world. he doesn't even seem to care that much about getting good advice. he's not creating a cabinet. he's creating a royal court full

of couriers and royal family members and an aristocracy. boulos is one of, i think, seven, eight, nine billionaires in this group. there's a bunch of centimillionaires in there also. so you have the oligarchy clustered around the king and his family, all carrying favor and nobody much looking like they'll ever say to him no or that's a bad idea because, clearly, if there was anyone around him to say that was a bad idea they'd say don't pick hegseth. don't pick gabbard. don't pick kash patel. >> and also, the thing is that they will say yes to him sort of like they always say yes to putin in russia, because if you don't say yes you'll end up on kash patel's hit-list and his enemies list and it's full of former trump officials who

displeased him. so now they're enemies of the state according to him and that's how you fall out of favor. whether you're a republican congressman or a courier or billionaire buddy, you have to do what he says. >> look, if retribution is one of the central themes of this administration, they think it's going to silence people. they think it's going to make their lives easier, but of course, there are other problems, you know? if you send a criminal off to france it may not make france too happy. if you pick somebody who happens to be tiffany's father-in-law who seems to have fairly close family ties to hezbollah that may color the way you're getting advice on the middle east. you've talked about hegseth and kash patel somehow we haven't talked about rfk, jr., or the lunatics he's putting charge of hhs in the past half an hour and that's part of this, too, right? because what trump is doing here is flooding the zone with what

he floods the zone with, right? and it's hard to keep all the incompetent, dangerous people front of mind because there are so many of them. >> and the thing is, i think that's part of it, right? he's throwing so many of these at the united states senate. they're not going to say no to first of all, any of them, but they will not say no to none of them and in the end he winds up getting the cabinet he wants because he's flood the zone for so many people because he's become part of the grift. in the end it's the grift, right? that's the bottom line. >> i think it is. i think that will half save us because trump is about to clip the oughtocracy today. i was driving today and listening to msnbc, of course, and there was an ad on msnbc for trump watches. this guy has been elected

president and he's selling merch? on tv, it's like, what's going on? >> it's presidency.perch -- that's it. it's just a big sales scheme. coming up, my take on president biden pardoning his son hunter and why he needs to think even bigger. that is next. eeds to think even bigger that is next for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪far-xi-ga♪ ♪far-xi-ga♪ ask your doctor about farxiga.

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on sunday, president biden gave a full and unconditional pardon to his son hunter, a

reversal from his previous position. it's garnered a lot of blowback. republicans are mad and in the height of hypocrisy speaker mike johnson said it damaged trust in the legal system. democrats are also concerned trolling that biden is selfishly tarnishing his legacy. paul manafort, at the end of the day pardon could have pardoned hunts are with kash patel and pam bondi waiting in the wings. eric holder pointed out something in the show, that no u.s. attorney would have charged this case given the underlying facts adding had his name been joe smith the res lagsz would have been fundamentally and more fairly a declaration. in a statement, president biden said, quote, i've watched my son be selectively and unfairly prosecuted. no many rabble person easonable look at these facts can reach any other conclusion that hunter was singled out only because he

was my son and that's wrong. okay. if he is pardoning hunter because he was selectively prosecuted, joe biden should look at who, leah wise who was part of the fraud and public corruption of the justice department and was zeroing in for black officials for prosecution, form early a baltimore mayor and baltimore states attorney marilyn mosby for mortgage fraud for taking her own money out of her retirement account to buy two properties for her family. calls for the naacp and other organizations for president to pardon mosby have fallen on deaf ears so far. she's currently serving a year of home confinement. in fact, president biden's use of executive clemency for his son highlights how he's used the

limited power and to life in prison before donald trump takes office. donald trump claims he will pardon people convicted of crimes related to the january 6th attack on the capitol. maybe it's time for president biden to do something brand to cure some of the injustices in the system like his former boss, president barack obama did because the contrast is pretty stark and that's coming up next. . ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ask your doctor about farxiga. it's hard to say who'll be more excited on the day after christmas. the guy who got a brand new truck from mom and dad. or the guy who got all the weathertech protection for his truck. like laser measured floorliners... the under seat storage system... no drill mud flaps... impact liner with shock absorbing rings... and top it off with the alloy cover. find these american made gifts

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president biden's pardon of his son hunter is just his 26th pardon since taking office. make of that what you will, it is striking how little he's used his clemency powers. prior to sunday president biden commuted just 232 sentences and given just 25 partness on, exponentially fewer by a huge number than his former boss president barack obama who granted clemency to 1927 individuals convicted of federal crimes mostly non-violent drug crimes. that is 1715 commutations and 212 pardons. president obama even set a record his last day in office when he shortened the sentences of 330 offenders, the largest of commute commutations in history. >> co-founder of contraband camp.com, a new journalism collective on january 20th which i have subscribed to and proud to do so. michael, i don't have a problem

with biden pardoning his son. he should have pardoned him, the crazies are coming, right? to me it's, like, pardon more and help more people. your thoughts? >> i don't know if i would trust someone who had the power to pardon his son and didn't and left him to the whims of somebody like trump. >> right. >> but i want to be clear, right? there are two things, right? no one is defending hunter biden, right? most people don't care about hunter biden. it is a right-wing conspiracy nobody thought about until they brought it up, right? but the right wing doesn't care about hunter biden either. they own about owning the libs and exacting revenge because if they cared about drug control they would enact common sense gun control and they wouldn't be trying to eliminate the is. so let's dispense with the myth that there was a sense of moral justice and moral outrage. they just want to own and punish

their political opponents and while biden is making mad, make them all of the way mad. i was always taught that if i was going to make them mad, make them all of the way mad, right? and political opponents for the entire trump administration, why not pardon marilyn mosby, and grand "master j" johnson who was targeted for protesting at a black lives matter, or kimberly gardner and marcus garvey. there are a number of people who are in prison or serving sentences that are -- that are no one, right? want only are they nonviolent, they're victimless crimes and they're being prosecuted simply because of the political opposition that i think biden should use his executive clemency and pardon power to right those wrongs. that's justice. whether it is, you know, fair or

not, still, you know, there are some things that are just and some things that are right, and i think he should do what's right. >> favor ain't fair. michelle is facing 22 years for campaign finance violations and he was prosecuted by jeff sessions. don't make him go to prison for 22 years, and also why is he going to go to prison when paul manafort is not in prison because he got a pardon from trump? you have mike flynn who literally lied to the fbi. he got a pardon from trump. so i don't want to hear all of the pearl clutching about pardons. nobody complained about that. "the new york times" said he's freed, donald trump to pardon the january 6th, no he didn't. he was going to pardon the january 6th people anyway. biden has no impact on trump. it's crazy that people are saying he's ruined the pardon power. >> i think there should be a caveat. this is what biden should do, i won't pardon anyone for

committing a crime for someone in the trump campaign has been convicted. if you haven't been convicted by serving in the trump administration and committed one of these crimes, i'll pardon you. so that leaves everybody available to pardon. to pardon. amen, and by the way donald trump put to death more people as he was leaving office than any previous president. biden, pardon those people to make sure that trump can't put them to death. much appreciated. sorry i ran out of time, cheers, thank you and