committing a crime for someone in the trump campaign has been convicted. if you haven't been convicted by serving in the trump administration and committed one of these crimes, i'll pardon you. so that leaves everybody available to pardon. to pardon. amen, and by the way donald trump put to death more people as he was leaving office than any previous president. biden, pardon those people to make sure that trump can't put them to death. much appreciated. sorry i ran out of time, cheers, thank you and inside

with psaki starts now. okay, you probably know by now, president biden pardoned his son hunter last night. if you recall the president saying repeatedly over the last few months that he would not pardon his own son for months he's been saying that, you would be correct. it was a commitment that was widely applauded for good reason. including by me. and last night, joe biden reversed course on that commitment if you're wondering whether that is good politic, if you're wondering whether this is great for his legacy as someone who has consistently stood for principle against personal need. even keeping the prosecutor to

investigate his son. he should have paid his taxes in full. my bet is joe biden knew too. his son is a private citizen. joe biden is going to be a private citizen in a few days too. so we're going talk about people who might and maybe. including patel who was tapped to lead the fbi. there's a lot of problems on that choice. there's several things wrong. first of all he's exceptional in his devotion to donald trump. the reason that loyalty or that

excessive loyalty is so concerning is that the fbi is supposed to be an independent nonpartisan law enforcement agency responsible for investigating crimes without bias or political influence. that's part of the reason there are 10 year terms. but cash patel has made it clear he intends to do the opposite on trump's behalf. >> we will go out and find the conspiritors not just citizens but the media. who helped joe biden rig presidential elections. we're going to come after you. we're putting you all on notice. >> see patel is a bit of a deep state conspiracy theorist. clearly with an ax to grind. in a book he released, with a list that included biden and

obama officials and former biden administration. including mark meadows, and even fbi director christopher ray. yes the man who still has three more years on his term who patel is hoping to replace. think of that for a second. the guy who trump picked is someone who talking about going to the deep state. that should send a chill up the spine of people who care about the right. and seth, released a jaw dropping piece this morning about hexesth. and i just want to read you a few photographs because it really captures it. as i'm reading this i want you to hold in your mind that the person i'm talking about in jane mayor describing in this piece is donald trump's choice to lead the department of defense. leer we go.

quote a previously undisclosed whistle blower as concerned veterans from america from 2014 to 2016 describes him as being repeatedly intoxicated while acting in his capacity. sent to the organization senior management in 2015 states that at one point hex had to be restrained while drunk from joining the dancers on the stage of a louisiana strip club where he had brought his teen. the report states that they sexual pursued the female staffers whom they've divided into two groups. the party girls and not party girls. the organization became a toxic

workplace. where a woman said he had attempted to sexually assault her on the night of the strip club. drunkenly chanting kill all muslims, kill all muslims. that's the guy that trump wants in the nuclear chain of command. there's more, he was not a store manager, he wracked up $450,000 of unpaid bill. $75,000 in credit card debts. as one strategist who worked for the group, the vff was an exceedingly small organization with fewer than 10 employees and a budget of 5 million to

$10 million. the strategist went on to say, i don't know how he's going to run an organization with 3 million individuals. i don't know either. leading the nonprofit concerned veterans for america didn't go much better. in an e-mail one of the whistle blowers who contributed to reports stated he treated the organization of funds like they were a personal expense account. for partying, drinking and using the vaa as a way to hook up with women on the road. set aside the 2010 rape allegation. his mother accused him of abusing women for years. set aside his take on the geneva conventions. set aside the stories of him trying to get on the stage with strippers. what you're left with is a man who could not even run a

nonprofit. i know firsthand how important theses jobs are. they're not political jobs either. if patel gets confirmed, it's more than just a small fire. joining us is a former counsel to republicans on the senate noah bookbinder. they just wrote an excellent joint op-ed about the importance of fbi background checks and the process and they both join me now. i've been talking about the importance of background checks. i wanted to first ask you about the confirmation process. i just read from a jane mayor

piece on pete hethseth. you're both used to reading reports. what do you do with a report like that? >> that's generally the case that these background processes are totally confidential and are handled with discretion. noah and i had the pleasure of doing this with thousands of nominations. occasional there's information out there about nominees. you have to take those public allegations seriously as part of the your review along with whatever is in the fbi file. it's something that needs to be followed up. certainly these are the kinds of allegations that if true, if substantiated are of a kind that would doom a domination. >> let me ask you now, because one of the things that struck me is there's been expression

of concerns about some nominees. as i noted, not everything is a five alarm fire. but i've noted a number of democrats have held back in states their concern about some of these nominees. do you think that's because they think the process needs to be followed through all the way through a confirmation hearing. is that what needs to happen or are there nominees like matt gaetz who maybe should be stopped before that? >> i think the general way that things have happened in the past in the senate is a place even now that is a place of traditions and processes is you have a process. you wait and see what the fbi finds. the committee will often do it own follow up investigation. senators will consider all of that. they will ask questions at the hearing and they will make a decision. that's kind of the way it's supposed to go. one of the reasons for this, fbi backseat ground process is frankly so that you can withdrawal a nomination that

never should go across the starting line because the problems are too large. so you don't really ideally would never be in this situation. i do think that there are some nominees where, there is so much publicly available problematic information, that it may be appropriate for senators to get a little bit ahead of this and say, this doesn't seem like an appropriate nominee and it should not come to hearing. but saying, let's go through the process and make a decision there has worked the government well. >> as a check on the president, i mean he just announced his plans to nominate patel to run the fbi. of course the current fbi director has three more years. what do you, tell me more about what you mean by that and is patel an example of that?

>> look, i think that the nomination's process senate role of advising consent is one of those checks and balances in our system designed by the founders. very deliberately. they didn't want to have a king. they were worried about the president's power to appoint people. he should be able to get a team that agrees with him and supports his policy agenda. but he should not be entitled to and the senate should not allow him to have unqualified cronies who's highest loyalty is to him not the law. i think even the president is in office, he is making some nominations at least on the face of it seem like they are people who might prioritize loyalty to the president personally above their loyalty to the law and the constitution. that's setting up an early test before the president everyone takes office. and they need to ask themselves

if they're going to. >> who gives you the most concern? >> i have not seen the full background on anybody, yet. but i will say that i'm a lawyer, and i'm very worried about the rule of law and how law is applied. and whether lawyers in this administration would further any schemes of retribution that the president-elect has talked about. i'm certainly looking very hard at nominees to lead the justice department and to lead the federal bureau of investigations. >> pam bondi and patel the judicial system would oversee both of those. you have run these processes, you can interpret senate speak very well. senator thune said today, i think the administration

understands the importance of thorough vetting. >> there's a process that at this point has decades of experience where the fbi does this in a way that's objective, thorough, consistent. the staff and the senate understands how to interpret this. how to follow up if there's further investigation that needs to be done. maybe there are other processes. i don't know what they are. i don't think senator thune necessarily knows what they are. >> but claim they use outside firms. i think that's what they're referring to. >> anyone who is paid by, hired by the incoming administration to do something their bidding is not necessarily going to use that objectivity, that thoroughness and you can't have confidence that there's going to be a process that where everybody knows how to get the information that they want. and can be really confident in that information. >> senator wicker also said today i do think there will be

fbi background checks. that's pretty definitive. he's going to be the chairman of the armed services committee, and that is the committee. this is the area that they can agree. is that a scenario where some come together and say if we don't have an fbi background check we're not going to move the nomination forward. >> i would hope so. we simply did not move allegations together until the fbi was complete and in our hands to evaluate. it's not the fbi that's deciding whether or not somebody should be confirmed it's the senate. so we're talking about some other vetting process that the president, president-elects team might be engaging through pry vat contractors. that's kind of all beside the point. the ultimate review is by the senate. what the fbi does and knows how to do is give the senate information. what they give the senate is

hundreds of pages of nominees. the senate makes its evaluation and judgment. i think they have worked in its current point for 50 years and both republicans and democrats understand about it. >> you're both saying fbi background checks are pivotal and so important in these roles. thank you so much for joining me. if patel makes it through a confirmation hearing, he will no doubt face tough questions. padilla is part of the confirmation team. he joins me in 60 seconds. come and get your little kev! is... cashbackable!!!

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he should be rejected. doesn't need a confirmation hearing to say that he's seen enough. that's because we're talking about a conspiracy theorist who is looking to go behind trump's it's great to see you senator. lots of news this weekend and a lot of confirmation hearings. your economy is going to be overseeing. let me just ask you first about patel. i just read what durbin said, you said that questions will be raised during his confirmation hearing. i guess my question is what more do you need to know and are you holding back judgment.

>> the fact that he's just a conspiracy theorist is just the begin beginning of this process. there's still time for the trump administration to rethink just like they did with gaetz. i know how i'm going to vote. for someone who denies the results of the 2020 election and i'm going to shut down the fbi headquarters? are you kidding me. so that's just for starters. what should not be lost in this conversation, jen is the role and test for senate republicans. how are they going to choose to handle these extremists nominations. are they going to be loyal to their oath of office. loyal to the constitution of the united states. or loyal to donald trump and every time he says kneel they

say how fast, that's the question. >> it sound like you're a definitive no for patel. do you think there's some that will move forward with these nominations. >> i would like to think so. in our conversations behind closed doors, those who want to respect the process. some that we've seen a lot on national news of late. senator klem. it'll be atist for the members of the judiciary committee, if they want the attorney general to oversee the department of justice or any other position within our jurisdiction. and i should point out, jen, the fact these stories are

coming out after trump has named nominees for a transition team to refuse to apply for fbi tests when they are the norm. to lie about what kind of background they're doing or not doing. about matt gaetz and what we've learned since. what we've learned about the nominee, what we're going to learn about patel or anybody else. that under scores the reason and the need for true professional fbi background checks and for both republicans and democrats in this process. >> there's a reason why republicans and democrats have used them in the past. and gaetz was and you're

saying bondi is a way to make patel look normal. >> i am skeptical because of what i pointed out when she was announced. for someone who denies the results of the 2020 election, someone who believed and touted that there was massive amounts of voter fraud throughout the country. i was serving as secretary state, and challenged team trump to bring forward any evidence. since then, not a single shred of evidence. the fact she served as one of trump's personal attorneys does beg the question, is she going in to try to do the job of attorney general of the united states independent of the political leanings of the white house or is she going in to do trump's bidding, the american people deserve to know. >> lots of questions you will have during the hearing. i started out the show talking about this. another big story.

that is president biden pardoning his son. no u.s. attorney would have charged the case given the underlying facts. the facts have discovered only made that clear. had his name been joe smith, had the resolution would have been much fairer. pardon warranted. >> and president biden told us for months, that he wouldn't pardon his son. not sure i would have made the decision that he announced but i do want to make sure it's not taking our eyes off the ball. the reason we're talking about pardons what we can expect in a second trump administration. he's already singled it. >> everybody involved. >> the people who went through the judicial system and were found guilty of many many crimes committed at our nation's capitol, jen. talk about breaking away from norms.

the peaceful transfer of power was interrupted for the first time in our nation's history. that's what he's breaking away from so many norms. whether it's fbi backgrounds checks, his flirtation with recess appointments. you have to retore norms that are put in place to protect the interests of our country, to protect the interests of our country. >> thank you so much for walking over from the senate tonight. >> you called and i made it. >> you have such important nominations, hope you come back and talk to us. >> the republicans are making it seem like patel is going to walk through his confirmation. lots of important conversations behind the scenes. thankfully i have long time advisor to mitt romney and allie vitali join me next.

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so today donald trump's picks for his cabinet have been making the rounds. bondi, it all seems kind of normal on the surface. business as usual. nothing to see here. but those picks are anything but normal and that also

includes patel who in a sea of picks, really stands out. if you're listening to what republicans are saying publicly you might think he's going to sail through the nomination. >> i think kash patel is going to be confirmed by the senate. >> i've encouraged president trump to bring kash patel to the table. he represents the kind of difference we see. >> he has a well rounded background. i look forward to supporting him and pushing this nomination across the finish line. >> now, when you hear those comments you might think, kash patel is going to get confirmed. here's the thing that's important to remember about washington right now. the most important conversations about nominees and a lot of things are typically happening behind the scenes. that's what happened with matt

gaetz when they found out he did not have enough votes. ali, i want to start with you. the kash patel is new. or nomination. he first tested fire the fbi director. >> that's not open. >> there's a reason it's a 10 year term. what are you hearing about kash patel and how they're feeling about it. >> i think it's how they reacted around matt gaetz. the entirety of this nomination process is setting a realtime litmus test to how trump will get republicans to rubber stamp. for matt gaetz the word we kept hearing, i will give him a fair confirmation process and everybody deserves to have a

meeting. that was the private confirmation, we'll do the meetings, we'll do the vettings but at the end we're going to vote no. and that is what caused gaetz to step away. that is going to be a hell of a confirmation hearing because i think the clips you can play that's when things get really difficult. it's not just what washington knowing what he said in the past, but it's fully televised. >> that is true. all these hearings are televised. we're just talking about how the way this works it used to be that people would just come out and say i support this nomination or oppose this nomination and that's collegiate. but people don't want to tell

trump. how are we going make clear they don't have a path forward or how does it work. >> there's a lot of behavior science. and on the other side there's a lot of quiet, private diplomacy. the behavior science of it, they all, one of the things that's really coarsing through the senate, people really believe the president has a mandate. right. republicans believe the president should have their choice. they don't want to upset that delicate balance with the president believing he has an opportunity to make his choices. they want to be public supportive of that. this is where the behavior science comes in. they want to send the message to their base which is their base at home. their willingness to support the president. but there's the pry vat diplomacy. the president cherishes his loyalty and a disrupter of a

system he thinks is broken. if we accept this as fact, a lot of senators are communicating, there's a way to do that, this is not the person to do that. there's people who want to disrupt the fbi, and will be loyal to the president but they have a greater level of meeting the level of the job. >> and this person doesn't have the votes. >> and matt gaetz is a perfect slate for us to compare. trump was willing to go to battle for him. that's who he wanted to be his attorney general. it was gaetz who sort of more understood their political reality more. trump isn't always someone who responds to the quiet

diplomacy. we know that. there's a world in which these senators know, maybe they do the private diplomacy and still have the vote. >> they're not even in for that entire time. >> i am looking at the 2026 senators. we're watching them do this really delicate dance. you talk about the science piece to it. there were republicans but they weren't necessarily full maga, they were not in lock step with former president and now president-elect trump all the time. do they continue that. when it was gaetz he was consistently signaling he may not get to yes. north carolina went for trump. he got londoski saying, remember why you have the

majority that you have. i think all those kinds of reminders. i think the 2026 senators are sort of where i would look if there were any cracks in the system and of course the exception to that is lisa mccowsky but who is regularly in that space. >> it's not what your view is but it's a political expert. who do you think is the most at risk of nominees. who do you think there's more chatter, we want to keep trump happy but this person is not the person we should have. >> because of the magnitude of the job.

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allegations as he built up a family empire. if you're curious while charles kushner wasn't in last's trump's administration well it might be because he's a convicted felon. back in 2004. kushner pled guilty to 18 federal charges aside from, risings from hundreds of thousands of dollars of illegal campaign donations he made. he admitted to witness tampering and he ended up serving two years if federal prison. seems like a typical story out of the trump orbit doesn't it. a wealthy convicted felon who's a friend of the family. no one in trump's inner circle has done what charles kushner did to obstruct justice. just listen to this description from the former u.s. attorney who put him away. a guy named chris christie. >> it was so obvious he had to be prosecuted. if a guy hires a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law and video tapes it then sends the

video tape to his sister to attempt to intimidate her from testifying before a grand jury, do i really need any more justification than that. it's one of the most disgusting crimes i prosecuted when i was district attorney. >> yes, that's what he just said. when the investigation of kushner began, they got evidence from kushner's sister and his sisters husband. when he pled guilty, kushner acknowledged he testified that he hired a prostitute and set up a camera in a hotel room.

he sent the tape to his sister. now trump wants the elder kushner to be the ambassador in paris. the top diplomat to one of america's oldest nuclear armed allies. the ambassador to a country where by the way, they have the internet and google and certainly know all about charles kushner's past. it would be bigger news if not for the avalanche of alarming supports surrounding trump's other nominees. kushner isn't the only president inlaw to get a job. on sunday, trump announced he is calling for bulos to be the ambassador to the middle east.

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disarray reeling from major losses but we brought people together. we built a winning coalition and brought results. since then we've won 22 elections and we're the last of the blue wall states still standing. if you're looking for a creature in dc, that's not me. but i do know how the dnc works and how it doesn't work. i know how to listen to the voters. to those who feel cast aside by democrats and to the people working hard within our party who have great ideas. >> and joining me now is the chair of the minnesota democratic farmer labor party ken marty. it's great to see you. i just want to ask you, the minnesota's dl party did have 22 straight win against republicans. that's a lot of statewide wins. what do you think do you think is working in minnesota you could take to the national party if you were elected dnc chair? >> well look, the infrastructure we built here in minnesota is second to none. we invest in year round

organizing. we bring all of our partners to our coordinated table and really focus on you know a second to none direct code of conduct program that really invests in building relationships with the voters and turning them out. we have year to year turn outs and we haven't lost a state election here in a state that has been purple. it's gotten a lot bluer under my tenure here. we are hoping to take this to washington to win elections again. there's a lot of people in washington who want to win the argument i want to win elections again. because that's the number one goal to win elections so we can pass public policy to improve people's lives. we all do better when we all do better. and really invested in what we call the stone way of winning. door to door, neighbor to

neighbor, person to person, around shared values. around hopes and dreams that's how we win in minnesota i think we can win again around the nation with that same model. >> i think a lot of democrats watching would like to win some things coming up soon. you also said in your launch announcement that you quote know how the dnc work and how it isn't working. i think a lot of people would like to know how would you shake things up. >> there's a couple of things. i think the in instructure is a lot stronger than it has been. there was a lot of good work done under harris perez and harris to build this infrastructure. a couple of things we need to learn how to focus on now. we need to make sure the dnc isn't just focused on races but we're contesting races up and down the states. we see the disastrous results

of years of indifference and ignoring school races, jen. and we see the policies passed around the nation that is doing a disastrous service to school children and the schools throughout this nation. we have to make sure that our party is focused up and down the ballot and that we're focused in all 57 states and every zip code in this nation. we have to get out of dc. we have to get the dnc to us canned up and down the ballot and get people focused again. >> let me ask you about gen z voters. you talked about the immediate to improve how politicians talk about on platforms. what would you do as dnc chair to better communicate with this generation? >> well first off, i have two gen zers. a 22-year-old and a 20-year- old, and both of them get their news from tiktok.

i still read a newspaper every morning from cover to back. that makes me a dinosaur. but we know we have to compete in this information environment. we know the republicans have beaten us to the punch. for the last four years they've spread misinformation from podcasts to platforms sites where they're using trusted messengers and validaters to send the message. when people ask me where i'm going to go hunt? you go where the deer are. and the reality is, we need to go to where the voters are. we need to go to where people are at and where they're getting their information. and we have to be much more so 'tis -- sophisticated on where we do that. we have to use trusted

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