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leaving the department of defense that donald trump is now thinking of a plan b. a source familiar with the conversations tells nbc news that donald trump is now considering ron desantis to lead dod while another says trump is even talked with the governor and told them that he does want him to do it. so is it a done deal? hegseth clearly thinks he still has a chance. trying to impress donald trump by arguing his case to the press. he wrote an op-ed in "the wall street journal" arguing he drank beers to readjust to civilian life and made a tactical mistake in the way he spent money saying quote, we weren't perfect, but we were always honest and earnest. we raised money honestly and we spent it earnestly to advance our cause. hegseth also spoke to reporters on capitol hill, but instead of taking questions, he referred them to an interview that he taped with his former fox news
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colleague, megyn kelly. >> i'm not going to have a drink. at all. not hard for me because it's not a problem for me, but i need to make sure the senators and troops and president trump and everybody else knows when you call me 24/7, you're getting fully dialed in pete. just like you always did in iraq and afghanistan. so this is the biggest deployment in my life and there won't be a drop of alcohol on my lips while i'm doing it. >> he's even enlisted help. his wife has been at his side on capitol hill and his mom appeared on fox news this morning. >> he doesn't misuse women. no. i mean, he, you know, he's been through some difficult things. i'm not going to list them by name, but i would just say that some of those attachments or descriptions are just not true. especially anymore. >> so is all of this going to be enough for hegseth? joining us now, nbc news
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correspondent, vaughn hillyard, who's in west palm beach. courtney kube who's at the pentagon and punch bowl news cofounder and msnbc contributor, jake sherman on capitol hill. courtney, the comment he made about drinking alcohol and how he's not going to do it any longer, he doesn't need to, he will be available 24/7 no matter what. it speaks to what you were telling me yesterday. that there are calling that come in anytime of the day, maybe the middle of the night, where you have to make a split second decision that's a matter of life or death when you are the secretary of defense. >> yeah. exactly. and it also speaks to what we were hearing about concerns from republican senators about his ability to carry that out. now, we have to say, remember, pete hegseth, he did serve in the military. he did deployments, iraq, afghanistan. he was stationed at guantanamo bay. he would have been subject to those deployments to general
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order one. not allowed to consume alcohol during his deployment. so when he talks about that, it is legitimate that he has gone through periods in the military where he is not allowed to drink any alcohol. that could resonate with some of these senators but the reality is we are still hearing a lot of concern about him. it's not just the drinking. there have been a number of accusations calling into question his character. the drinking, there are concerns about the way he has treated women in the past. we've talked a lot about this allegation in monterey, california in 2017 with a woman at a conference. it's not just that though. there's also been these allegations from "the new yorker" about financial mismanagement from when he was working at one of these veterans advocacy groups. all of that combined seems to be what is causing a lot of concern with people on the hill. we know at least six republican senators have expressed doubt. we believe that number is growing and probably is already
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above six. the real question now is we've been seeing pete hegseth up on the hill today all week frankly. is any of this what he said on camera today, what he wrote in that wall street op-ed, is any of it resognating with senators to a point where they'll change their minds? we don't know that yet. >> a number of the headlines about his behavior and past, both personally with women and professionally. especially detailed in that article. here is senator blumenthal, a democrat, talking about the conversations he's had with his colleagues. >> i've talked to five to ten republicans who have said to me they're just waiting for the right moment to say no to pete hegseth. >> your colleague saying that to you privately is a much lower bar than voting against him publicly or say publicly they won't support him.
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why do you think so few republicans will come out and not support this nominee? >> nobody wants to defy donald trump. >> by the way, blumenthal is not that short. garrett haake is gentlemen, that tall. jake, let me ask you about that. you've got your ear to the ground there on capitol hill. i know you guys at punch bowl have been talking to a lot of folks. what's your gauge of where the nomination stands? >> reporter: 50/50 and i'm not much above that. that's where a lot of people in trump's orbit are as well. here's what i think. here's what someone was saying to me today up here. of the entire constellation of people who donald trump could nominate to be secretary of defense, the, all of the, not even establishment. non establishment figures who he could nominate to run the, you know, million person, courtney could say better how many people work for the institution, why
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pete hegseth. why this person who has those stories come out about him. why him? that's what i heard from a republican senator today. why take a political risk and put this guy in and even more so with all these stories out. what does it give senators? you have to put your mind, you have to think in the framework of how a lawmaker thinks. what is this going to get me? why am i taking this risk and is the juice worth the squeeze? now, he will never come to a vote if there are six, indeed six people who are saying hard and fast they will not vote for him. they'll move to somebody else. i just think to be honest with you it's too early to know. and i think that this week will be critical. if he could get through this week and show some forward motion, he could survive. if he does not show forward motion this week, he's not going to survive. >> but cynically speaking, jake, you're talking about why
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hegseth, why this guy to lead. it's a 3 million member department. both civilian and soldier employees. military employees. but it's such a cynical way of looking at it. what can i get out of this. is the juice worth the squeeze. and doesn't that speak to just the distaste that americans have with government? that congress has no spine. they don't do anything. why are they there if they're there just to rubber stamp the top of the ticket. >> reporter: they're clearly not rubber stamping him. didn't rubber stamp matt gaetz. this isn't a political science class to i don't want to get too far down this rabbit hole, but politicians' goals politically speaking is to keep power, increase power and win re-election. i think that that's how people think about this. and taking a risk for someone like hegseth is just not in the interest of some of the members of congress. it just stands in stark contrast
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to a number of his other nominations. marco rubio, chief among them, who are going to get through quite easily. he could have an easy confirmation process here if he chose a different candidate. >> let me play a little bit from josh hawley on what he says he knows donald trump wants for his secretary of defense pick. >> if the president wants him to be secretary of defense, then people ought to give him a shot. i would support him. at the very least, let him have his confirmation hearing, take the oath. answer all his questions. he'll answer all of those and many, many more under oath if he wants to and if the president wants him so. i don't know what the case is at this point. >> him saying he doesn't know if the president wants him to be secretary of defense. vaughn, why might he be saying that? >> reporter: because the transition is actively considering other individuals to replace pete hegseth and if donald trump truly wanted to go to the mat on behalf of hegseth,
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he could do just that. put out social media posts. call up republican senators. make an all out effort going on fox himself and essentially landing threats to republicans up on capitol hill that 2025 may not be so easy on them if they don't push through his or he could continue to make the case that he would seek to do recess appointments. so far, we have heard silence from donald trump over the course of the last week. instead, people like ron desantis and we are told joni ernst, bill hagerty and michael waltz are all under consideration to replace hegseth. so for donald trump, clearly, he moved at haste to make these initial picks without background checks and went to people he wholly trusted to be loyalists and yet, it's incumbent on him being able to build a coalition of republican senators to
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confirm those nominees and he's struggling to do that. >> let me put on the screen the people being considered to replace hegseth. joni ernst, bill hagerty, mike waltz along the governor desantis. any of these people in your estimation, would they face pushback for their confirmation process? be seen as more qualified to lead dod? >> i will say very early read i think all would sail through confirmation. we have three are military service. and we have the senators have good relations on the hill. if we just take how mike waltz was received when nominated, when named to be the national security adviser, there was widespread support for him. in fact, his name was put out then some other candidates like matt gaetz and pete hegseth were
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announced. people who were seen as being more controversial potential picks, and everyone at the time, there was a lot of fallback to well, mike waltz is at least a stabilizing force for this administration. i think candidly all four of them would, they also have government experience. every single one of them has government experience in addition to the three of them having military experience. >> two of them as long time senators. one who's been the governor of a state that's executive experience. definitely a departure from pete hegseth. everybody, thank you very much. we want to go to some breaking news here in new york city. the nypd has just released surveillance video of the moment a gunman killed the ceo of united healthcare early this morning outside of a hotel here in midtown manhattan. the video shows brian thompson walking up to the side entrance of the new york hilton when a masked gunman walked up behind him and started firing. we've obviously frozen the video
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before the shots were fired. thompson was hit in the back and the leg. the suspect quickly walked away and down a side street before getting on an e bike and riding away. thompson, who was on the way to a company conference, was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead. police are now calling the attack targeted and premeditated. joining us now, nbc news national law and intelligence correspondent, tom winter, and former fbi special agent and msnbc national security analyst, clint watts. i watched the video. it's difficult, tom. you can see the guy approach him. and you can see the deliberate way that he goes to kill him. is there a silencer? >> appears to be a suppresser of some sort which he put on moments before. this video's going to be crucial. i'm going to ask the control room to check one of our primary distribution lists. the nypd has released three new
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photographs showing a much clearer image of the suspect. this is the person they are seeking in connection with this homicide in midtown manhattan, just a couple of blocks from where you and i are sitting. this video's important because it establishes a timeline. one of the key things to this investigation is going to be the two facts. one, that he shows up there not long before he actually, the victim in this, brian thompson, is due to arrive at this conference. so it's not as if he's been out there since 3:00 in the morning, setting up, lying in wait, hoping he sees him. he clearly knows where this individual is coming from, which is kind of a luxury hotel barely a block away. not even. then arrives at this location. from there, this individual according to police, flees the location, goes through an ally way, goes to 55th street, picks up this bike we're looking at here. goes east to 6th avenue then
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through central park. that's as far as people are telling us they've tracked this individual. at some point, he has a malfunction with his gun and he's able to rectify that and continue. so i think that shows this is somebody who's obviously used a weapon before. had thought this through. planned it out. got the security camera behind him, not in front. some sort of surveillance. the question is did this person know specifically some of the details and were they working with anybody else. not that the nypd has suggested that at all, to be clear. so all sort of big questions as they continue this investigation. the new police commissioner also the chief of detectives, this was a targeted incident so there's no believed nexus at all to anybody else in new york city. and certainly no indication there's any additional threat to the tree lighting. >> clint, if it was a professional hit and by appearances, it looks like it could be, how, i mean, i can't tell you i remember anyone being
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professionally hit in new york city in recent memory. am i wrong about that? >> katy, i cannot recall. we've seen plots, even seen about iranian plots in recent months. but i'm not aware of one in recent time that was successful or nearly as highly prolific as this one is going after such a key target. while obviously this individual did some reconnaissance, they definitely knew what they wanted to do, prepared in many ways. as tom noted, they racked the weapon in a very specific way that you would do if you were well trained with a firearm. but at the same point, silencers, if you've not used them or used them with a weapon, cause jams. which would suggest it was maybe somebody who wasn't familiar with the silencer. there's a lot of different points. maybe it was directed and targeted. it could be somebody that has a
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personal grievance. either with the company or with that individual that we don't know. it is interesting to me though that they had an escape route. you can tell by the attire they were prepared for what they were going to do and by the weapon in the way the person held and used the weapon. they definitely were familiar with firearms. so all of these things point to a more sophisticated attack. not something random. in the videos you see as well, there are other people that this individual does not shoot at. so it was not a random shooting in any way and i think nypd is doing all the right things by getting this information out quickly. >> after the gun jams, he walks up closer as he's trying to reload it, clear the jam, and then shoots him again before he, not calmly, but deliberately walks away. it's not even a run. he walks away. it looks like something out of a spy movie. not like something you would see on the streets of new york city at 6:45 in the morning in
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december ahead of the tree lighting here at rockefeller center. all right. clint watts, tom winter, thank you very much. just to be clear, no threat to the public according to the nypd. they believe this is an isolated incident. if republican senators say yes to pete hegseth or kash patel, what are they telling donald trump they're also okay with? plus, democrats just flipped another seat in the house. what that means for the republicans' ability to legislate next year. and what justices on the supreme court said today during oral arguments on gender affirming care for minors. we are back in 90 seconds. g care for minors. we are back in 90 seconds. er. because you kind of have to take a step back. getting some help would be a great relief. from companions to helpers to caregivers. find all the senior care you need at care.com for the better part of a century, harry & david has been making gourmet gifts that bring people together. to share traditions and make new memories. to bring us all closer, even when we're
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i spoke to the president-elect this morning. he said keep going. keep fighting. >> joining us now for more on the confirmation process is democratic senator whitehouse of rhode island. chair of the senate budget committee and member of the senate judiciary committee. thank you very much for joining us. i know you're a democrat but what is your sense of where the hegseth nomination stands? >> seems to be pretty troubled. things keep coming out. everything from his mother's warning about him to continued evidence of multiple very serious drunken episodes. i think for senators who might think they're voting for him,
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they are one drunken episode with him as secretary of defense away from having a lot to answer for given that his problems are now so widely known. >> it's not just the reporting about the drinking or the sexual impropriety or mismanagement of money that's out there. i'm just curious about things he's written and put out in the public. he's written a number of books. in one, he asked should we follow the geneva conventions. would that not be an incentive for the other side to reconsider their barberism. these are things he's written and put in books and he talks about the enemy from within. this was detailed by "the new york times" and other places. he also talks about the enemy within being democrats, radical
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leftists. there are things he's said publicly on the record that i wonder, do they give you or your republican colleagues cause for concern about the direction he'd want to take the military? >> they obviously do. those are highly abnormal things to say from someone who's looking for high office with grave responsibilities. so he's going to have a lot to answer for. and we'll see whether this even getting to a hearing. >> a lot of this is drowning out other controversial picks. kash patel, tulsi gabbard. what is your sense of them? >> i think there are going to be some very, very serious questions asked of mr. patel, his enemies list and what he's threatened to do to individual named people is going to be pretty hard to explain. and if the concerns about miss gabbard's connections with syria and russia and other places lead
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our key intelligence allies, particularly the so-called five is, to withhold cooperation with our intelligence services because they don't trust her not to leak their key assets to the russians, that would be a very significant blow to national security. that's something the intelligence committee is going to have to look at. that's on them. but they're the ones with the excess and i trust that committee to do a sincere job of looking into her background. >> say donald trump doesn't go for the fbi vetting of his nominees. doesn't do one for gabbard or patel. are there tools within the senate to get that information, maybe not within the fbi, but to gather it themselves within the intelligence committee? >> there may be records within the intelligence committee of activities that she engaged in that caused intelligence
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oversight to engage, but i don't know if that's the case. so i really couldn't tell you. it is possible for an american citizen to pop up on our own intelligence services screens and it's also possible for them to turn up on foreign intelligence screens and our allies i think would want to share with us the information if they had it about a potential candidate for dni who had grave enough security issues that they would be reluctant to share evidence in the way we've grown accustomed to. >> you've been very outspoken on the need for an ethics code of conduct for the supreme court. one that they are required to abide by. the supreme court has met internally. they've come up with their own code of conduct. their own ethics code, but it's not binding. how do you feel about that? >> it doesn't work if it's not
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binding. there are really basic things like they can do like have an inbox for ethics complaints and have a review to pick out the serious ones from the frivolous ones and have fact finding about the serious ones to make sure people know what the facts are and compare the facts to the ethics rule so there's a determination whether they went outside the guardrails or not. that's all quite simple, obviously stuff, and as my recent report showed, 50 for 50. every one of our states in their sovereign state capacity running their own state supreme courts have figured a way through this. so when chief justice roberts complains there are serious separation of powers concerns here or there are dangers of lower court judges having to handle the administrative function of policing the ethics of highest court judges, all that is bunk. all that has been resolved in every single other state and there are plenty of models that
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they could go to. they seem not to want to and when i say they seem not to want to, it seems there's a very small number of of justices who seem to not want to. at least two of the liberal judges have said let's do this. >> what could happen in order to enforce this? do you need your republican colleagues in the senate and house to get on board with a bill to require a binding code of ethics for the supreme court? even if you did pass that and the president signed it, would the supreme court accept it? >> i think there are several avenues. one would be passing by supreme court ethics bill but that's not going to happen in the up coming congress. the second would be investigative work by the house which can issue subpoenas that can't be filibustered. it looks really hard and the supreme court forces through what's revealed, action by the court.
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the third would be the judicial conference, which is the body of judges that oversee it is judiciary and they're looking at a lot of these questions themselves and pretty skeptically because they know the rules and they know the conduct of these justices does not align with the rules. the last is just continued public pressure and a decision by the chief justice to say if we can take away womens' rights by a majority, then we ought to be able to decide our own ethics by a majority and i'm not going to hold out. i'm going to put a serious ethics code with basic fact finding to a vote and majority wins. >> all right. senator sheldon whitehouse, thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure. coming up, what republicans are really saying if they confirm donald trump's controversial cabinet picks. plus, what will the supreme court decide on gender affirming care for minors. what did the justices signal today during oral arguments? today during oral arguments? [♪♪] did you know, serums are concentrated
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i think there are questions that some members have and we're going to be looking for an answer. >> reporter: are you among the members that have questions? >> i'm looking to be supportive. >> articles i've read, some are concerning. i don't know if it's true or not, but he'll go through the process and see what happens. >> i'm being careful until i
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hear everything. haven't had a chance to talk with him yet and i think it's part of a very important process. >> the first senator there, it's garrett haake who is supersized. as we said earlier, pete hegseth's path to defense secretary is looking shaky. if he is confirmed by the republicans in the senate, does it signal, what does it signal about what they're willing to be okay with during the next four years? joining us now, former rnc chairman and msnbc political analyst, michael steele. michael, what's your sense of the hegseth nomination? clearly wobbling as trump has called ron desantis. >> yeah, that was amusing. look, is it shaky? probably. on what basis? we'll find out.
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i'm sure someone will say something the more there's a consensus around the idea of not confirming him. right now as you saw from the clips coming in all the senators are doing what they typically do. they're posturing and sort of pretending that this process is going to unfold you know, in an open way. it likely won't. there will be a consensus as we saw with the other nominee that hey, this can't go further and at that point, they'll come out and say so. at the end of the day, hegseth, tulsi gabbard, none of them, cash p tell, none of them should be considered seriously for the positions they've been put up for. how many of his nominees are they going to reject in they have the power to do that under the constitution and to say
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look, mr. president-elect, send us nominees that we can vote for. we want to help you. but you're creating more noise and more problems for your administration downstream. but that's not how this goes and we know it. so we play the game and pretend like this is somehow normal and it's a load of crap and we know it is, but we pretend. >> why are they pretending? it is an equal branch of government. >> because they're afraid of trump. >> if they banded together and said no, we're not into this person, they would have strength in numbers. it's a question i often ask about republicans. why not use the strength in numbers power you have to come out and say, no thanks. donald trump doesn't have much of an argument. he can't ask 50 senators. >> you've heard the phrase grow a pair. when you get them all together, you barely get one. i don't know how we expect them
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to behave any differently than they have over the last ten years. when have they ever banded together to say no? when have they ever stood in the well of the senate and said no -- >> they did it with matt gaetz. >> no, matt gaetz, that's, come on, katy. >> hegseth is much better. you think kash patel is much better? >> no, none of them are. i just said that. >> i know. >> the deal with matt gaetz, they don't like him. so it was easy. matt gaetz was the ted cruise of the house. nobody likes him. so, it was easy. that was, that wasn't a hard one. they barely lifted a finger on that. come on. >> i guess my other question is, we're presuming they don't like kash patel and they don't like, for these positions. they don't like pete hegseth or tulsi gabbard for these
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positions, taking personal feelings out of it. maybe they do like them for the positions. maybe they do agree with donald trump's desire to blow things up. >> yeah. as long as it's not blowing them up, they're good. because a lot of them believe none of this will touch them because the base won't bother them. they won't come after them in their primaries. they'll be able to get their cash raised when they need it and they won't create animosity between them and the incoming president. i wish they had that kind of, you know, slofingly kind of appreciation for the president. i use that term loosely. that they did, that they showed for george bush or for any other republican presidents. just this one who's not a republican. who has not believed or stood for anything that these individuals who have been in the senate for quite some time in many case, who are long known, you know, stalwarts of the republican party and its brand.
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you know, defending the indefensible when it comes to trump. so i guess you kind of have to ask them. ask a lindsey graham, dude, why do you back flip the way you back flip? mitch mcconnell, you stood in the well of the senate and condemned the actions of the president on january 6th then two weeks later voted to acquit him. so we can't explain what's in your head and your heart. only you can do that. and they never offer that up. we never, we never know their rationale for why they do what they do and we let them get away with the one off, you know, sort of the dumb behind explanation that doesn't explain anything and this all boils down to party loyalty and behavior. >> it is worth a longer conversation with any of those people that you mentioned because i'd love to know if it was an issue of policy or personality and wanting to stand on the right side of donald
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trump. if it's a policy issue, i'd love to hear what are the policy issue is. what they desire to change, what the problem is. i think it's valid to talk about differing policies. i am making a pouting face because my ep has said that i have to go. have to be. i cannot keep talking to you. every time i say another word, he's getting angrier in the control room because there's a break we need to get to. michael steele, come back on soon. >> i will, absolutely. still ahead, democrats flip the final house seat of the 2024 election. what the majority could mean for donald trump's agenda. the supreme court heard a critical case on gender affirming care. does denying the treatment violate the 14th amendment? does denying the tatrement violate the 14th amendment ory o] giving. [♪ you've got to give a little ♪] [♪ take a little ♪] giving without expecting something in return. ♪
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the supreme court heard oral arguments today in a case that challenges a tennessee law banning gender affirming care for minors. the plaintiffs argue the law violates the 14th amendment which guarantees all citizens equal protection under the law, but today, justice kavanaugh questioned how the amendment can apply when he says the medical and psychological science behind the debate is still so unsettled. >> so it seems to me that we look to the constitution and the constitution doesn't take sides on how to resolve that medical
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and policy debate. the constitution's neutral on the question. at least that's one way to look at it. want to get your reaction to that. if the constitution doesn't take sides, if they're strong, forceful, scientific policy arguments on both sides of a situation like this, why isn't it best to leave it to the democratic process. >> joining us now, antonia hilton. was he an outlier in the way he was questioning this debate? what did you hear today? >> no, absolutely not. it's no secret this is a conservative majority on the supreme court so there were a lot of questions and one of the things that can make this case challenging for people to follow is that there is a constitutional question in front of this court, but policy, politics, the culture wars, they kind of just naturally seep in. so the question in front of the court this morning was does this ban on gender affirming care, things like hormones and puberty
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blockers for transgender minors in tennessee, does it violate the constitution and discrimination on the basis of sex. that's the question they're supposed to answer but it veered into policy. comparisons as to how these questions are handled in europe. how research there has impacted the debate. whether or not the restrictions they've taken should be considered here, but those are not things they're asking this court to solve. so what may happen here because of the makeup of this court would be that they uphold what's happened in tennessee so it could lead to a widespread ban essentially on this form of care. and what i think is important to note here though is that for people who are on the side of the transgender children who are part of this initial case, they're not necessarily saying that the state of tennessee can't have restrictions of some form. that there may not be conversations to be had about what's most appropriate, best
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the final outstanding house race and is democrat is the winner. that means the republicans control the house is just five seats large, but in reality, their lead is only two seats since donald trump has nominated two republicans to serve while a third, matt gaetz, resigned to lead his failed bid for doj. joining me now, congressman himes. thank you for being here. it's a really small margin the republicans are going to be working with. very, very small. are you hopeful that's going to mean there are areas where there can be bipartisan agreement? >> yeah, i think so. you're right. the lesson of what you've just talked about is that every
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single vote counts. what a close race in california. if there had been one seat that went the other direction, a handful of people in california might have decided who was going to be the majority in the house. but yes, number one, it's going to be a goat rodeo. when the republicans had a larger majority, it took them weeks to elect a speaker then they fired that speaker. took them weeks to get a new speaker. it is a very, very ugly management task for speaker johnson. what happened in this last two years? what happened this last two years is because mike johnson couldn't and i'm not sure any human could control his majority. anytime they needed to get something done, they had to strike a deal with the democrats. so there is this prospect at a time we lost the house, the senate and the presidency that we may actually matter because there's no evidence that necessarily all of the republicans are going to vote in lock step and allow the republicans to work their will unimpeded. >> do you have a sense of what that bipartisan legislation might be beyond the budget,
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which is going to need to have some consensus. do you have any hopes for any specific policies that could come up during this next congressional term? >> well, you know, a lot. you would like to imagine that maybe we could finally get something done on immigration and when donald trump is inaugurated and we start to see what the deportations really mean in terms of families being split up, restaurants and contracting services being emptied out of their employees, maybe they'll say we've got to fix the system. but as you know, their number one objective is to get an extension of the trump tax cuts done. that will be catastrophic for the deficit of this country, but it's going to be interesting because you have new yorkers that are in the republican conference who were going to be desperate to do something about the limitation of the state and local tax deduction. so even on their signature initiative, i think you're going to see arguments inside the
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conference that's going to make it hard. >> you're on the intel committee. ranking member. member of the gang of eight. as you see donald trump's picks for national security, what are you thinking about the world stage? are you concerned? >> i am concerned. and just to be fair about this, you know, john radcliffe, who's been nominated to be director of cia, i worked with john on the intelligence committee. wouldn't have been my pick, but he's going to do a good job. i would contrast that dramatically with kash patel with zero law enforcement experience. turns out these are jobs where a little bit of experience is necessary, but more to the point, kash, the reason he's a star in the maga firm mament, he just pledged allegiance to donald trump. i'm not sure if we want the nation's lead prosecutor to be more in the pocket of donald constution.upholding the
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and gabbard, zero intelligence experience. that's a massive management task. zero management experience. so, yes, i do worry about a number of these nominations. >> i have no time left, but what's up with the bow tie? >> you know, this is inside baseball, katy, but patrick mchenry, his last day as chairman of the financial services committee. he served 20 years in the congress and always wore a bow tie. so to honor patrick, a bunch of us wore these bow ties. >> it was out of the norm for you. caught me by surprise. thank you so much, congressman. really good to have you. that is going to do it for me today. deadline white house starts after this very quick break. ho after this very quick break. they're just so delicious. with better nutrition, too. for us, it's eggs any style. as long as they're the best. eggland's best. hi, i'm greg. i live in bloomington, illinois.
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