the last thing before we go tonight. dyslexia is your superpower. i know it is mine. many successful people have thrived. not just in spite of their diagnosis but many times because of it. princess beatrice put it best when she said this. dyslexia is not a pigeon hole to say you can't do anything. it is an opportunity and a possibility to learn differently. you have magical brains. they just process differently. if that is not the best way for me to have a final note, i don't know what is. i wish you a good and magical night. across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. so today started with great news. really great news for any

foreign entities that would like to shovel cash at. -elect donald trump. the new york times report that's the trump organization is planning to operate under a different set of ethics rules than it did during first term in the white house. specifically the trump organization plans to continue making foreign deals despite the fact that trump will be the president of the united states. the times reports that in the months leading up to election day, the trump organization's de facto leader eric trump was busy striking up real estate deals in vietnam and saudi arabia and united arab emirates. now he has his eyes on more deals in more countries. what could go wrong? i know we are in a slowly boiling pot here. trump is selling guitars and bibles.

and gold sneakers. and silver coins and $10,000 watching and nft trading cards. and crypto currency. and, and, and, and, and, and. the list of ways to funnel money into donald trump's pockets just goes on and on and on. but this new reporting for the times shows that even though trump is about to become the most powerful person in the free world, he and his companies are still open for business and we are already just seeing how problematic that is. this week, the washington post reported that chinese businessman justice sun invested $30 million in trump's crypto currency. the math is a little complicated but this effectively means a chinese businessman just pumped more than $22 million of profit into trump's company. and okay, i mean, maybe justin sun thinks trump's crypto currency is just a great investment but for all intents

and purposes, justin sun also just handed the trump family $22 million. and the head of that family, president-elect donald trump could also be very helpful to justin sun. that is because justin sun is under investigation by the security and exchange commission for allegedly manipulating a different crypto currency market. and yesterday, trump chose an sec chair that is famously pro crypto. so trump's new sec chair could if he wanted to dismiss the investigation into justin sun entirely. whether or not sun offering trump $22 million of profit will actually influence anything or even help him at all, that is unknowable at this point. but these kinds of conflicts are precisely why presidents do not do business like this. it is impossible to know where

trump the business ends and trump the president begins. and this one chinese billionaire is just the example we have today. now eric trump is headed to abu dhabi to headline a crypto currency conference. he is literally traveling to another country to pitch the currency to international investors. are you a rich person from a foreign country? would you like to put a lot of money into the pockets of the american president? you are in the right place. trump's second term is looking like a billionaire's playground. yesterday, trump picked former georgia senator kelly leftler to run the small business administration. why pick senator loeffler for that role? one big reason might be her husband, they collectively donated more than $5 million to

trump's reelection effort. she is now the ninth major trump donor to land a top spot in the new trump administration. to put all of this in perspective, president biden's cabinet had a net worth of $120 million. nothing to sneeze at but $120 million. just kelly and her husband alone are worth about $1.1 billion. and that is billion with a b. if you just count positions that need senate confirmation, trump's cabinet is worth about $10 billion. president biden's cabinet worth $120 million. if you include roles that don't require confirmation like elon musk, if you include those positions, well. the net worth of trump's cabinet skyrockets to more than

$340 billion. donald trump is setting up a government run by billionaires and two of those billionaires, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy went to capitol hill to meet with republicans in congress about their new department of government efficiency. mike johnson described the meeting as a brainstorming session. ideating all the ways they could gut the federal government next year. one idea elon musk floated was getting rid of all tax credits including tax credits for electric vehicles. for background, he previously said those tax credits help his competitors more than they help his car company tesla. so yeah. why should the government do that? we are entering an era of government not just run by billionaires but for billionaires. government for the swamp by the swamp. >> we are all excited. i know you are all excited that elon musk and vivek ramaswamy

have joined us today. this is an important day. you heard what doge is all about. the department of government efficiency. it is a new thing. and this is a new day in washington and a new day in america. >> joining me now are melissa murray and phillip bump. a national columnist for the washington post. thank you for being here. you know, phillip, we talk a lot about what donald trump has planned for a second term and there is a lot. there are some big statements but a lot of question marks. one thing that seems quite certain is that a for sale sign is hanging outside the white house. just in terms of the business people that he has brought in who could make very lucrative decisions for themselves helming government agencies. can you talk a little bit about the way in which this is all happening in broad daylight? >> i think something that is coming into focus is something

shifted. maybe it was the fact that he tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election and got away with it. maybe it was the fact that he took millions of dollars, his private company did. the millions of dollars the trump organization took in from foreign governments when he was president. but he is unabashed in a way he wasn't eight years ago. at least then he paid lip service to the fact the presidents don't do these things but that got thrown out the window too. he is just saying buy the guitars, the bibles. just straight throw him. the idea that past presidents would have been limited because they don't want the impressions you get where people are questioning your ethics. he doesn't worry about that. why even worry about it? >> why bother? just make the cash. jimmy carter put his peanut

farm into a blind trust. remember when we talked about the clause back in trump 1 and it was like you can't have a hotel where foreign dignitaries stay and spend money. that might be the same thing as funneling money into donald trump's pockets. that entire debate has gone the way of the dodo bird. there doesn't seem to be any implications for any of this. >> so again, the first trump administration was kind of a boone for constitutional law professors. we got to look at all kinds of provisions that had gone unobserved but there were a number of lawsuits filed because of these apparently conflicts of interest. the prohibition you cannot receive benefit ifs northern entities or domestic intensities.

a lot of those lawsuits became moot. they were never conclusively settled. as you say, we have a president- elect who is emboldened because nothing happened. we have an environment where this kind of grift graft seems to have become normalized. i know i come on your show all the time and i can't stop talk about the supreme court. >> it is an extension of that. >> we have normalized this. there have been reports about the emotional support billionaires. about justice thomas receiving gifts from friends including boarding school tuition payments. if you were donald trump, why would you be concerned because the entire government seems awash in this at this moment. >> and the defiance is the de facto position. i don't care there are no consequences. doge went to capitol hill. congratulations elon musk for getting earn to say the word

doge all the time. that's one of the things we can be looking more forward to. but the idea he will go out there to change the structure to directly benefit his own companies. mike johnson is out there being his number one cheer leader and i wonder whether republicans are not fully clocking how controversial this may be in terms of setting aside elon musk's desire to grift off the season. it may not sit well for people in actual government. >> this has been sort of the tension within the republican party. the old republican party. we will cut government spending and things got a little iffier. it is refreshing that we get to go back to that. but you know, the thing i think is really striking about this external organization that they have put together is that elon

musk and vivek ramaswamy very obviously don't understand what they are talking about. they say things like oh, we will cut people by social security number. it is just insane. what they do know about is the thing that's benefit elon musk and big business. that is failed to understand that they quite literally only understand the things that benefit them is going to be a huge problem for them politically down the line. >> i also just want, i mean, if you are rivian, an electric car co interest in the tax credits, there will be lawsuits. you have to imagine that the second dude, you can't just do this as head of doge. there are likely to be lawsuits. there are likely to be received by perhaps a more conservative judiciary. so yeah. this is all laid out.

i'm reminded of when you went to michigan to talk to those working class voters. what they wanted was a government that worked for them and they felt the biden administration was not working for them. and we saw in election night, in ruby red states there were a number of states where paid family heave measures passed. classic family leave measures passed. the question will be in the messaging. how do you show these people working for elon musk and vivek ramaswamy is actually working for you when in fact it may just be working for them? that's the gap. we talked about this. how are you on board for the party that for eight years of nine different election cycles has run the son of a millionaire and now we have a whole government of billionaires. how is that working for working

class people? there will be a real misalignment with where the voters were and what we will see. >> when it comes to cutting all the wasteful government spending which is far more complicated. they will not touch social security or medicare. but, they will have to touch all these programs if they slash federal spending. the social security, cutting people, firing people who have a social security number beginning in an odd number is not a feasible plan for restructuring the government. then the republican congressmen who have projects and like some of the government spending. i just foresee a massive break between what trump and his party can withstand politically and the giant promises and bluster coming from people like vivek ramaswamy and elon musk. >> two things. the first is that there is a lot of focus on federal employees because they are easy targets. about 4% of federal spending. if you are cutting a third of

it. you will not get very far. but it is important to distinguish between what is good for trump or the party. he has never cared what is good for the party. the party has incidentally benefited at times from his leadership and ability to turn out his voters but he doesn't care. what is going to happen in those situations is those republicans will come to trump and be like hey, we have a problem with this. and worst case scenario, what businesses will contribute to my superpac i can use to pay my legal bills? like, that's the worst case scenario. by no means outside the realm of possibility. meanwhile, the republicans will be stuck holding the bag. if all this goes south, the republicans will be the ones held accountable and donald trump will go down to mar-a- lago after his term is over. you know. what does he care? >> he is a lame duck president as of january 20th. the reality is republicans of congress, we remember what the government shutdown looked like

under donald trump. a dysfunctional federal government does not do well for the party in charge. and that is what we are barreling towards with not only a cabinet of people that don't really care about the democratic principles or the people. but also someone in charge who is just, they don't have the experience, the expertise or the concern. the implications for the party are vast in this moment. >> i think that's right. again, this was a change election. antiincumbency around the world is on the rise. even if you look here at new york city where many parts of the city went red. i don't know if there is a mandate of donald trump. but there is skepticism of blue government. why can't i get more for what i'm paying? they want a reason to believe in government again. i don't know if this is it. >> yeah. doge?

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the search continues at the hour for the masked gunman who shot and killed united health care ceo brian thompson outside a manhattan hotel wednesday morning in what police are calling a premeditated preplanned targeted attack. the suspect is still at large. police released these photos of a person of interest wanted in the questioning. the images were taken from a security cameras at an upper west side hostel. nbc news reports that police are investigating whether the individual used a fake id and cash to book his room. we are getting new information about what this person of interest left behind at the scene of the shooting. investigators are examining a

cell phone left near the scene but have not yet gained access to the device. three senior law enforcement officials tell nbc news the suspect arrived in new york city on sunday the 24th. on a greyhound bus that originated in atlanta. as far as a possible motive, the shell casings found at the scene were inscribed with the words deny, defend, and depose. joining me now is clint watts, msnbc national security analyst and former fbi special agent. clint, thank you so much for being here. i'm eager to get your assessments of all this. with these photos of the person of interest with the potential cell phone, with some information about his itinerary. how meaningful is that to getting an id on this person? >> all of it is a major step forward compared to this time

yesterday. we were hearing different scenarios. what we are learning from the evidence today is that the law enforcement has been able to track out has travels into the city. while he was in the city. they have some evidence pointing to a water bottle with a fingerprint on it. also the cartridges and getting some idea of the motive and having a picture of him without the mask on is critical to enabling the public to help you do an identification so all of these things are major steps forward investigatively. this individual went through a lot of preparation. probably a lot of reconnaissance and rehearsal. knew what they wanted to do so they may have a withdrawal plan that is complex and well thought out. >> it seems clear the suspect

wanted to send a message. insurers refusing to deny the terms of their policies. how are you looking at those words. what does that tell you about the climate of american health care? >> it is an interesting way to send a message putting that on those casings. seems like the shooter knew they were going to leave those behind. i think the other part of it is the reaction you see in the online space. some of these ideas could have come from the online space in terms of this individual. why they chose to do it or what the words were they chose to use. there was some discussion a few hours ago that the shooter was on the phone prior to the

shooting that maybe there is imagery of him using the phone and calling somebody. could this be part of more of a nexxus of individuals, an inspired movement focused on the insurance industry? could this be much larger? where there was al qaeda, isis. was there could be a contagion we could see. these are things law enforcement is quite concerned about. >> you mentioned the online space. a lot of people get frustrated with their insurance claims here. it takes too long or it is frustrating or there is some disagreement there. in terms of the online forums, how aggressively is the fbi examining those communities and can you, i wonder if you have

any sort of intelligence on how activated they are or how much those are locusts of deep antiinstitutional frustration? >> i would estimate that no one was looking although creating it for its insinuation to go to a violent plot. however, since this happened yesterday. the online spaces have been full of comments. derogatory comments condoning or applauding violence. and that can create a major shift. maybe they were frustrated about their insurance claims or the health care industry but they were not thinking about mobilizing for the violence i. is an incident like this that can be somewhat inspirational. think back to the attack in norway. a man went and shot many children. preplanned the plot. it was kind of a far right

plot. but that one instance tipped off many other incidents that followed that model. so things to look for in the coming days, is this person connected to a larger movement? does law enforcement come back with a manifesto on why this person chose the united health ceo? do they have their grievances? and do we see any sort of amplification of those threats across the online space? doesn't mean that it will happen. but these are oftentimes those tipping points where you can see a contagion spread quickly. if people are mobilized in such a way in the online space. >> brian thompson's wife said he had received death threats yet he didn't travel with a security detail. is it common for ceos atop major corporations to travel with security details and if it wasn't before, do you imagine

it is now? >> i would have thought there would be a security detail. particularly for a major event. a financial meeting for the company. so you would think that is an open space where shareholders can come. if the shareholder had grievances maybe they would get violent. there would be other reasons to protect the ceo. i am surprised that some of the threats weren't seen as indicaters for providing security for the ceo. that has changed overnight. this is a larger movement, a call to action for others considering violence. anyone that fits a similar prototype.

anyone that fits that role in a similar company could be the next target and they would need security. >> clint watts, just invaluable perspective on all of this. thank sos much for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, just as the bird flu outbreak worsens, gets a lot scarier, our potential future health secretary robert f. kennedy jr. has identified exactly the right guy to advise him. here's a hint. he's the guy in the center of a bird flu controversy. that story is next. troversy. that story is next. asthma. does it have you missing out on what you love, with who you love? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems. serious allergic reactions may occur. get help for swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens or you have a parasitic infection. headache and sore throat may occur. ask your doctor if fasenra is right for you.

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because of the physiology and science behind what happens to flu bugs in raw milk. >> a fresno raw milk farm was quarantined by health officials after regulators say some of its milk tested positive for bird flu from inspected cows and the ceo of that farm has appeared on just about every local tv station in the fresno area to say he disputes the findings and his milk is safe to drink. he says all of this is just a political issue. but what makes this a story of national importance is what mark mcafee says happened next. >> he may play a role in national policy. he says rfk jr. on track to run the fda in the trump administration asked him to apply to be an adviser on raw milk policy and standards development. >> yes. the raw milk ceo has report

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democrats are preparing for that and the incoming trump administration by reportedly shaking up the ranks of their leadership. house democrats are poised to unseat several senior leaders and hakeem jeffries is letting it happen. it is akin to mutiny. party lawmakers are increasingly anxious about the incoming trump administration and full gop control of congress. meanwhile, republicans are figuring out how to make use of their narrow majorities to execute on trump's agenda. thom tillis said it will be challenging. the key will be addressing all the coalitions that will threaten an insufficient number of votes. it is infinitely more complex. joining me now, mark and tim. gentlemen, thank you for being here to unpack those things that are infinitely more complex. mark, let me ask you, there has been different schools of

thought about how trump in the white house might alleviate some of the pressures that have thus far existed on the house republican conference. do you think having a republican leading the executive branch in any way makes it easier for the legislative branch or is this conference too raucous to fall in line? >> i think the raucousness we saw, raucous caucus, was pretty, i mean it was pretty free wheeling and in some ways now that trump is back, there will be kind of i wouldn't say more orderly procession but there is such fear and rallying around of trump early on in his second term. it has been an organizing principle to some degree. this is a very, very, you know, unpredictable caucus. we saw that from last year and what they achieved in the last

congress. and trump is not going to take a nuanced approach to this. he will try to be as blunt force as possible. some republicans might you know, see their own vulnerability if it looks like the house will flip. they might try to protect their own self-interests. >> i mean, the house is one question. the senate is another. and i think when you look at both chambers, it right now, i don't know, tim. what do you make of what's happening in the senate? i must play some of the indignation on the air waves courtesy of tommy tuberville. this is what he has been saying about senate republican resistance to some of trump's nominees including pete hegseth. >> donald trump did all the vetting they needed to do on pete hegseth. i can't believe we have people on our side saying i have to look at this and that.

what they are doing is throwing rocks at donald trump. they are not throwing them at pete hegseth. at donald trump. >> maybe he doesn't know the senate's role is to advise and consent. is that for real? do you think there is a mutinous strain of senate republicans right now, tim? >> yeah well. i don't know if tommy tuberville knows what vetting means. he clearly didn't vet pete hegseth as more and more information comes out about his disastrous personal life. so i guess maybe the most generous way you could put it. as far as the mutiny question is concerned i don't know if i would call it mutinous. the gaetz withdrawal surprised me. and donald trump himself has not been throwing his weight around with these nominees. he seems happy to let them die on the vine themselves if they

are going to. or not. i am not sure. there is not a lot of evidence he cares either way. he is not using a lot of political muscle to twist arms. so it remains to be seen what they will look like in that case. but i'll tell you this. while you don't make any money bething on the courage of senate republicans, if you start at the baseline of murkowski and collins as the two who will buck the craziest nominees, you really only need two more. unlike the house, all the house guys are up in two years. that's not the case in the senate. you will have some retiring senators. people that just got elected. a lot of old-timers in the senate. mike rounds is there. he has been there 20 years you know. there's a lot of old guard there. there are not as many magas in the senate as the house. so there is just room for them to reject trump and the more they reject him, the more, once there is blood in the water, it

becomes harder for trump to reverse that. >> mike rounds, the nation turns its lonely eyes to ewe. interesting reporting that tulsi gabbard and rfk jr. are trump's red lines. this is from the bull work. the appointments of rfk jr. and tulsi gabbard represent a realignment of american politics. said roger stone. he, trump understands the historical significance of that realignment. that basically gabbard and kennedy represent badges of honor in terms of flipping former democrats into maga land and that trump is i guess going to fight for them in a way that i think he hasn't fought for the other nominees.

are you buying that? >> that was an interesting report. i hadn't thought of that. i also thought if trump is going to line up behind or go to the mat for some of them. maybe he would for someone a little more out there. maybe a hegseth. maybe someone like that. i did. it was a point i hadn't thought about that if he wanted to put his mark on an ideological realignment if he thinks that way, kennedy and gabbard would broaden the coalition. to show he could bully republicans into accepting anything well beyond anything they have ever agreed with iditarod logically. these are two people traditionally quite liberal politically, democrats. so i don't know if he would go to the mat but he likes the idea of himself as a shape

shifter here. and you know, i do think like tim said he will probably have to throw his weight around. probably more so when he is in office and he has a better sense of what's at stake. >> he also hates being dubbed a loser and it is hard for me to imagine he would take the defeat of potentially pete hegseth. maybe kash patel. and you throw gabbard and kennedy on top of it. the narrative going into it would be that of actually failure and mutiny and i just think that is something he will not countenance. >> yeah. there is some real risk of that. of things unraveling. it's not like things haven't unraveled for trump before in many of his private businesses and the first administration. so it is possible. i did notice today, john thune has maybe a less lackadaisical schedule for the senate than the past.

but even if they get through, contentious confirmation hearings for several of these. where there is more bad press. as much as donald trump doesn't like losing he likes even less. all of that is a real risk for them for january. >> reporter: meanwhile, democrats are engaged in i guess what has been termed their own mutiny. ousting long time senior leader ins the house. there is a question about whether alexandria ocasio- cortez might head the oversight committee. i know you are well versed in the political culture of the democratic party and the republican party but what do you make of the changing of the guard or the new generation of leaders coming to the fore inside congress?

it does look like democrats are being far more aggressive than they have in the past. it doesn't look like you know, as we said before, hakeem jeffries will take as heavy a hand as nancy pelosi would have in the past. someone like jamie raskin has b talented. seen it over and over again in a lot of public high profile settings and jerry nadler, i think there has been some impatience with his style over the years so that didn't surprise me that much. yeah, aoc is an oversight, it is a very high profile position and look, she has a platform, she has the ability to get attention and a lot of people listen to her so that would be a pretty telling elevation in the caucus and one she could do a lot of work with. >> what do you think of that strategically?

there is a sense democrats need to be more pugnacious in the age of trump than during the campaign. and having someone like aoc in oversight which will be a very powerful committee in the age of trump 2.0, what do you make of that as a battle posture? >> let's worry about age. there is a little bit too much agreeableness with democrats culturally. i think it has led to some problems. and i like at this as what we are discussing from the beginning. republicans have a tiny house majority. they will need to get every republican on board for stuff. in the past, the democrats funded the government. kevin mccarthy and mike johnson have never had the votes to fund the government.

i wonder if it is time to reconsider that. if having new blood in there helps. i'm all for that. but making republicans actually govern and show the american people how they plan to govern, that might be a wise tactical shift for the democrats and i hope they take it. >> maybe not rescuing republicans from catastrophes of their own making. routinely. mark and tim, thank you again for your time tonight my friends. we will be right back. friends. we will be right back. my floors truly clean. and then i tried the swiffer powermop and realized i can get cleaner floors without the extra work. it has a built-in solution that breaks down dirt on contact. and the pads hundreds of strips scrub away sticky messes even from grout lines. ok powermop! plus, it's 360-degree swivel head cleans up along baseboards and even behind the toilet. so, ditch the bucket and all the hard work that comes along with it.

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one bit of breaking news before we go tonight, donald trump has just announce his pick of silicon valley ebillionaire david sax to be the new white house crypto and a.i. czar. you are probably old enough to remember back in january of 2021 when sacks said this about trump after the capitol insurrection. i think he's disqualified himself from being a candidate at the national level. if you want to see this mob as a gun, i think trump loaded the gun. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> alex, you simply cannot find enough people who've always been loyal to donald trump. >> literally all of them at one