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good afternoon. i'm peter alexander reporting live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. and at this hour, murder mystery. the manhunt under way to find the killer of a ceo now in its third day. the latest images that investigators are poring over to find the identity of the man on the run. and donald trump on defense. the pred-elect's new support for his pick to lead the department of defense, as one official

admits some republicans are still not convinced he is right for the job. but will this latest approval make a difference? >> plus, the arctic storm sweeping across the country as we speak, unleashing more snow on areas already frozen over. look at the scenes. temperatures plunging yet further. when do we expect things to let up? >> we begin in new york where it's been two days, seven hours, and 16 minutes and law enforcement officers are keeping track since a masked gunman shot and killed the unitedhealthcare ceo with no leads on who it is beyond -- behind the shocking crime. they can't find a name just yet. police are poring over dozens of images from surveillance images of the suspect. that's according to a law enforcement official briefed on the subject. while many details are unclear, all this new video is coming in tracking a man who may be the suspect around new york city in the key moments before and after

the attack. at 6:15, this video of a man dressed with that distinctive great backpack was seen leaving a subway station in midtown, manhattan. four minutes later, the same person bending over near a pile of trash closer to the site of the murder. 7:00 a.m., police are investigating this video of what appears to be a man 30 blocks north of the crime scene. this time, no backpack, biking away from central park. we have a great team gathered that's keeping the best information together to share with you. i want to bring in nbc news investigative correspondent, tom winter, priscilla thompson reporting live from the scene where the murder took place in new york city. also with us is retired nypd officer jillian snyder. tom, i want to start with you, if i can right now. walk us through where the investigation stands at this moment. as we were talking about in the hallway earlier, it's striking hoe disciplined this killer was,

that at this point, we haven't been able to identify who he is. >> other than that moment where he flashes a smile at the person working at the hostel desk, it does not appear any instance where he dropped his mask or had any more visibility as to who this person is. as of last check, the nypd did not have a name of this individual. they had not notified him. they are working on a number of leads. they have received a lot of tips. so the investigation is continuing this afternoon, whether or not that will ultimately result in an identification this afternoon or perhaps later today or tomorrow, that's still up in the air, but they do have some avenues they are looking at. now, as far as where this investigation goes, once they have a name, the ability to then make an arrest, to try to determine where this person has been, where they will be, and the ability to push that information out to law enforcement agencies all across the country, certainly to the southeast because we first

reported here at nbc news last night, he took a bus from atlanta on november 24th to new york city. so certainly -- >> just as a reminder, that's almost ten days before the shooting took place. >> that's right. he was here in new york city for some time, which might explain why this targeted attack, as the nypd has called it, peter, was so well laid out and apparently so well surveyed prior to this incident occurring. >> jillian, let me pick your brain on this. how striking is it to you that nypd has yet to have a name to go with this gunman? this is one of the world's most surveilled cities. thousands upon thousands of cameras here. you're literally watching his routine on some of these tapes. what are you looking for now and what struck you to this point? >> i do know that the nypd's photo collection unit is trying to track down as many photos of his face. the only one i have seen is the one the world has seen, where he took down his mask for the employee.

that might be the lead that the nypd needs. now as they collect more and more still images, they can feed that into their facial recognition software and try to identify who this person is. but i think they're going backwards. now that we know that he's been here for more than ten days before the shooting, we can see if maybe at another moment in time, he took that mask off, because we need more photos, still photos, of his face to properly identify him. >> just to be clear, you get a pretty good look at his face, his smile. if anybody knows this person, they should be very easily -- he should be very easily identifiable here. why do you think there hasn't been some call from somewhere in this country saying yes, i know that person? >> i was shocked. i was sitting last night when they were putting this on air and i was with several colleagues. all of us were like, this is someone who has distinguishable features. he has a smile, people were making comments about the sniel, and there's definitely someone in the country who has seen media, who has seen his face on

the news, knowing that he is a person of interesting, and i urge that person to pick up the phone and call 911. >> his face is effectively wallpapered on every newspaper across the country right now. priscilla, to you on the ground here in midtown manhattan. investigators are working on the belief the suspect got to new york on a greyhound bus from atlanta on november 24th. got here late that evening. what more do we know about the timeline here? >> reporter: right, and that is an important piece of evidence for a number of reasons, including that police are trying to track who may have bought that ticket and how that ticket was paid for, and again, trying to figure out if they can identify that individual, not to mention the people who may have spoken with him on that bus or seen him on that bus and might be able to shed any sort of insight there. i should note greyhound is not commenting beyond saying that they are fully cooperating with authorities, and also, that the

atlanta police are saying they have not been contacted by authorities about this, so perhaps a bit unclear if he boarded that bus in atlanta or may have picked it up on one of the stops along the route here to new york city. but to your point, it is helping them to build out this timeline. the idea that he was here ten days before this shooting happened, you know, initially, we saw so many of those masked photos of him, but the one unmasked picture we got was from that hostel. if he stopped anywhere to pick up food, to pick up water, to do anything, whatever he might have been doing in the city, there could be more images coming out of his face. more people that may have seen him or he may have spoken to, so building out that timeline could help them to better understand, again, who that individual is, not to mention did he come to new york city for ten days without a bag or anything else? is there anything else that he might have had with him that is dumped somewhere perhaps that could again lead to identifiable

information to help police get a name here. and perhaps arrest this person. peter. >> all good points. tom, more than a week that he spent in new york city. that means there were a lot of interactions that likely took place with this individual, including the one strikingly, it's him, as senior law enforcement official tells us, appearing to be in a flirtatious exchange with a worker at the hostel desk. that's why americans are able to look at his face. have law enforcement officials been able to speak with that employee? >> they're conducting an enormous amount of interviews. they were there before we were able to get the photos released. they're officially saying this is a person of interest wanted for questioning in the photos but i think they're putting that out because they believe this might be the person who could have committed this act so they want to definitely speak to this person. want to pick up on something jillian said before. the facial recognition system

the nypd has, it's called das, their ability to put that photo in their system and say go find this person somewhere else, and that's a big reason why they have developed so many clues in this investigation. >> i want to be clear with that. if you walk through new york city and you walk through wichita, they have a way to identify you? >> it didn't matter if you're from wichita, lower manhattan, or maine, they would look at that image and say go find this image. it's not go find that person. if the facial recognition unit, which is a separate component of this, was able to, to jillian's point, if they were able to get more still images of his face, that might provide a hit in government databases they have. so far, that has not yielded an identification, but that doesn't mean the nypd hasn't been able to take the face and say go find that face, and that's a reason why we have some of the timeline information that we do to this point. the fact we don't have more

timeline information, now, to be clear, they have developed an extensive timeline, dozens upon dozens of images. the reason we don't have more of this travels in and out of new york city, if he's out of new york city, is because we have seen a fair amount of discipline here with this individual putting a mask up. that's not going to present a hit in that system as far as finding where he's been. >> to be clear, this is somebody's son, somebody's either sibling, they relative, their friend. it's why we have been showing his face as often as we can. jillian, you study behavior science. what questions would they likely be asking, are you asking about the person of interest about what he was like, his demeanor and beyond? >> this is someone who is obviously very dedicated to his cause, whatever that cause is. we will hopefully find out. but to come up here ten days before, to do his countersurveillance on his target beforehand, to have a preplanned escape route, to have a silencer, to have taken the time to write words on his

rounds before loading his firearm, all of that took such dedication, such motivation. and we might not understand why he did it, but he did it for a reason that he felt very strongly and passionately about. >> jillian, priscilla, tom, we thank all of you. we'll ask you to stay with us. we might need you before the end of the hour. if anything breaks, we promise to come to you immediately. there's other news we're watching, the subway choke hold manslaughter trial, the jury says it is deadlocked and cannot reach a unanimous decision on the first count. george solis is outside the court with the very latest there, george. this is another story that we are focused on today, anticipating we could get some results, some verdict at any point. the jury is now on its lunch break. how is the judge responding to the jury saying it initially was deadlocked and what does this all mean for the process going

forward? >> reporter: yeah, hey, peter. the judge essentially giving the jury what's known as an allen's charge which wipes the slate clean. you have done your due diligence. go back, don't feel pressure to make your decision. review what you need to and see if you can come to some consensus on the manslaughter one charge. the question becomes if they can't come to an agreement or consensus on the manslaughter one charge, manslaughter charge in the second degree, which they would need to be unanimous, can they move on to the second charge which is negligent homicide? at this point, it's unclear whether or not the jury will be able to go forward with that if they can't come to an agreement on second degree manslaughter. the judge right now right before their lunch break, the jury coming back issuing one note saying, quote, they need to look at the definition of a person acting reasonably, so again, some more discussion between the attorneys, whether or not they come to some consensus today remains to be seen. >> if we get that verdict, we promise to bring it to the folks

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his first flight abroad since the election. he's leaning in on his pick for secretary of defense, pete hegseth, depite the challenges hegseth is facing. trump posting this morning in support of hegseth, writing in part he will be a fantastic high energy secretary of defense. but a trump transition official admits that a handful of republican senators are still uncommitted, concerned about allegations of hegseth's drunken behavior and a 2017 sexual assault claim, both of which hegseth denies. no charges were ever filed in the assault case. hegseth is, though, showing no signs of backing down. >> i'm a different man than i was years ago. that's a redemption story that i think a lot of americans appreciate. this will not be a process tried in the media. i don't answer to anyone in this group, none of you. not to that camera at all. i answer to president trump. >> hegseth is moving forward with his fbi background check,

his lawyer telling me that they expect to complete those forms over this weekend. nbc's garrett haake is covering the trump transition. former congressman carlos curbelo is an msnbc political analyst, and maya rupert serveds as a senior adviser to the elizabeth warren campaign. let's walk through how involved trump is in pushing hegseth through. we're trying to get a better understand, if he's really investing capital in the effort to lobby senators here. you made a point earlier on msnbc saying there's a vibe shift but a difference between vibes and votes. he appears to be leaning in, but is that having any real impact? >> it's hard to say for sure right now, peter. what i can tell you is donald trump told pete hegseth to fight for this nomination. we know that's advice some senators have given hegseth behind closed doors and that's what we have seen in recent days as he's been more aggressive on the hill, more willing to talk to reporters about some of the

allegations against him. it's benefitted him in the form of the public kind of reendorsement from donald trump and the form of the truth social post you just shared. just within the last few minutes, jd vance traveling in north carolina today, was asked about hegseth and said he has been picking up the phone to talk to senators on hegseth's behalf, including notably joni ernst, the senator from iowa, a combat veteran herself, has been if not a hold-out, more willing to appear publicly skeptical about hegseth and about his chances of being confirmed. if the pressure is coming from vance, that's pressure from trump by a different type. i think we're seeing at least some more effort from mar-a-lago to push hegseth, even if it's not donald trump himself picking up the phone. >> and to be clear, joni ernst important for a variety of reasons. a, she's a republican senator. b, she is a sexual violence survivor, a former army national guard member. she has served, so her view here

perhaps representing other women who may have concerned about the sexual assault allegation, could be crucial. congressman, i want to get your sense of the fact that we're now hearing from president-elect trump in the form of the social media post. he hasn't been so vocal on this. now he is a bit more vocal on hegseth, but as you know as well as anybody, he supports you until he doesn't. >> well, peter, it's interesting the way the president-elect is managing this transition and these nominees. he's providing them air cover, but he is certainly not getting his hands dirty. he's not bailing them out. he's making them stand on their own two feet and get those republican votes. if he can't convince those four or five republican senators at least who are skeptical of him, you're going to see not donald trump withdraw the hegseth nomination, because he doesn't want the perception that he's ever backing down, but you'll see hegseth himself, as matt gaetz did, withdraw his name.

but it is getting close to the time where hegseth is going to have to show that he has enough support, he's going to have to have some of those republicans, i'm thinking of the four, five, six who said they would not support matt gaetz, to come out and say they're going to be supporting him. otherwise, he's just going to run out of runway here. >> i will say, even some lawmakers say they didn't think it would make it to the end of the week. donald trump is giving him room to run for the job on his own. it's not clear that's enough to change the lawmakers' views. not the only pick to face republican opposition on the hill. we were talking about matt gaetz. he withdrew his name for attorney general. trump's pick to lead the dea also dropping out, now a prominent republican is raising questions about hegseth. this is from kevin cramer, a senator. he says, quote, i suspect they have possible backup plans. i do not imagine pete hegseth was the only person they were thinking about. that's kind of striking, kramer

has been more positive about hegseth than a lot of others here. he added he's willing to give hegseth a shot, but do you see this nomination as doomed? do you think hegseth can pull this out? >> i don't think so. i don't think statements like that coming from the republicans that trump is going to need to support this nomination happening at this point are good indicators. and honestly, i think that beyond, he has a number of allegations. he's dealing with, he's also dealing with a number of things. he himself has said on the record about women in combat that i think in addition to you mentioned ernst and her position. the are things, it's not a matter of an allegation. it's his actual position. they are also causing serious problems for him and for this nomination. i think it's interesting that trump does seem to be kind of withholding his own political

capital and not leaning in, with i think a hope that he can put some of these controversial figures up and then not himself get the backlash if he's unsuccessful. i think really what this shows us is this is what donald trump is doing, this is how he's going to define his second term. he is putting forth people whose number one qualification seems to be extremism and loyalism. this is not about qualifications and this is not about people who are popular with even the republican senators that are going to need to support these nominations. >> what strikes me is you think about how donald trump round two, everybody says he's learned his lesson, he'll be more efficient, have a better process. the first time around, only one cabinet pick, he was up for labor, dropped out. this time, you have the potential two do, the dea is not a cabinet pick, but two plus one drop out before the first several weeks are out. if hegseth were to withdraw, then the conversation even if he

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right now, temperatures are plunging across the east and gulf coast with 15 million people under winter weather alerts, and a new storm system barreling toward northern areas already frozen over. pennsylvania officials, they warn the overnight cold is causing flash freezes turning even cleared out roads into dangerous black ice. good reminder. last night's wind was so strong, as much as 50 miles per hour in some places, it buckled this truck. look at that. effectively bent in half. also in erie county, more than 60 inches of snow forced the

evacuation of a firehouse when the roof started to collapse under the weight. bill karins is here to break down the forecast. i just checked, the feels-like in new york, 25. d.c., 27. boston, 20. miami, 80. but that's for another time. is this finally the beginning of the end of the snow for now? >> this is the end of our arctic blast. we had two significant ones in a row with our lake effect snows in between. and today is really the last of the bitterly cold. then we slowly warm it up this weekend. as far as the great lakes go, we have areas of snow, nothing, compared to what they have been through, they can deal with this. just a couple additional inches. cleveland to erie, we'll have one of those drives that is snow covered and probably a little slippery. we'll have periods of snow showers here. cleveland has been doing okay. buffalo, you're fine, too. erie, you'll be in and out of the snow. we have a couple alerts left. erie, you're still under a lake effect snow warning.

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this is a brutal start to winter but it looks like we're in for a nice break throughout the middle of december. >> we're all benefitting from a little break as soon as you can bring it to us. >> other news we're watching, a woman now facing federal charges after officials say she snuck onto a plane, boarding a flight from new york to paris without a ticket. tom costello shares that story. >> reporter: she's a stowaway at the center of a major security lapse investigation. after being escorted by french security back to new york, the woman appeared before a federal judge, charging documents allege she snuck onto delta flight 264 and flew as a stowaway to paris. the arresting fbi agent says she first tried to get through a tsa checkpoint at 8:24 p.m., but without a boarding pass, was turned away. five minutes later, she tried again and was successful. by entering through a special lane for airline employees,

masked by a large air europa flight crew. tsa chief has reviewed the airport camera footage. >> we saw her going into a pew that was really designed for aviation employees. then we watched her look at the family and then kind of scoot around them while the officer was distracted. >> reporter: while she did go through a full body scan and bag check, at 10:03 p.m., she slipped past delta agents at the gate who were busy helping ticketed passengers board. it wasn't until the plane was in the air that flight attendants discovered her. in a statement, delta says deviation from standard procedures is the root cause of this event. is it this easy to slip around a tsa checkpoint? >> no, it's not that easy. it rarely happens. this is the only case we're aware of where somebody slipped past. so it's not easy. it's rare. but it's serious. and we need to make sure we put better solutions in place to

prevent it from happening again. >> her attorney says she's a permanent resident of the u.s. but declined to comment further. the judge ordered her held until 2:00 p.m. friday to come up with a bail package. >> such a wild story. tom, thank you for that. coming up here, what we know about president-elect trump's newest pick to carry out one of his top campaign promises, mass deportations. that's ahead on msnbc reports.

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we're back now live on msnbc. president-elect trump is laying out the team tasked with carrying out what was perhaps his biggest immigration promise. making his picks to lead customs and border protection, immigration, and customs enforcement, and deputy homeland security adviser. nbc's julia ainslie is following all of it for us. let's go through the picks for a moment. what will their role look like in this next second go round of the trump administration? >> rodney scott basically has his dream job. he will be head of customs and border protection. this is someone who was the chief of the border patrol until the biden administration basically told him to leave or find a new job within cpb because he was so critical. he stayed critical. he's been a big fan of trump's since he left the border patrol. he's been campaigning, talking about how you need tougher border policies. now he gets to oversee border patrol, customs, the crackdown on fentanyl.

anything trump wants to do with the border. then you have caleb vitello, a different story, because he has been with i.c.e. for 23 years. he's a career servant within the biden administration. he also served as the head of i.c.e.'s enforcement and removal operations that does deportations for i.c.e. under trump, he will be the head of i.c.e. this is someone woo is well liked. i talked to people who have worked with him. political appointees from previous administrations that say he's got the experience, he's well liked. the reason he was picked is trump wants someone who is incredibly competent to be in the job. he'll know exactly where i.c.e. is limited when he talks to the president or stephen miller about what they need to enact those mass deportations that trump campaigned on and is planning on enacting as soon as he gets in office. you also have anthony isbury, that could signal homeland

security investigations could be safe. they do a lot of work dealing with international human trafficking. they were involved in the diddy investigation. they crack down on drugs overseas, but it's also been deemed as law enforcement agency that could possibly be rimmed apart in order to send some of those men and women to work with i.c.e. on deportations. with him now at the white house, it could be that a lot of those core authorities and exercises of i.c.e. do stay intact. rodney scott not a surprise, the others might signal there's a little bit of a feeling somebody from the old guard should stay where they are. >> this is a moment where we say watch this space. there's going to be a heavy focus as soon as donald trump takes office once again. tom homan going to be a name a lot of us are watching, the new border czar. when trump's new pick to run customs and border protection worked under the previous administration, he was instrumental in enacting policy that triggered legal challenges by the aclu.

joining me is the aclu's deputy director of the immigrants rights project, lee, appreciate your being with us. i want to get your view, the view from the aclu about these latest picks by president-elect trump. >> yeah, i can't comment on specific nominees, but i can say that collectively the people he's putting in to run immigration signal a very -- you know, a very clear path, i think, when you see people who develop family separation policy, that's the most egregious policy i have seen in three decades working on these cases, that triggered a worldwide revulsion. so i think we see where the administration is going. >> where is your number one place of concern? what in particular do you worry about as a headline just a few months from now? >> yeah, so that's the right question. and i wish there was only one thing, but i think we're worried about an enormous number of things we think would be illegal

and harsh. we're worried about the use of the military under the alien enemies act. we're worried about all of a sudden there being no birthright citizenship, children born on u.s. soil have been considered citizens. we're worried about mass profiling. just enormous number of issues. and we will push back where we can. but i think it's more than just the courts. i think the public needs to push back. one of the lessons from the first time around was that there was a line over which the public won't hopefully let the administration cross or at least push back and show their displeasure. people in the abstract thought immigration reform was fine in the first term, but then when all of a sudden they started hearing that little babies were being ripped away, they took to the streets and it wasn't just democrats and progressives. so i think that's what we're going to see this time around. and i'm hoping the public says, look, we want immigration reform, but this is not what we

meant. >> a lot of americans appeared to have agreed with donald trump in his suggesting, in his saying his plan was to at first have immediately deported those undocumented immigrants, those who came into this country illegally, who committed crimes, first, those who committed more violent crimes. do you have any opposition to the administration's desire to do that? >> the first thing question is whether it's really going to be so limited. to the extent he's removing people with criminal convictions who under the law can be removed, the big question is whether they're going to get hearings to show whether they have a defense to their deportation, because even someone who has committed a crime has defenses to deportation. in particular, they can't be sent to a country where they're tortured or persecuted because of their religious affiliation. in those cases it's not per se unlawful for him to do that. we are going to looking to make sure people get proper hearings if they have a defense.

>> let me ask you again, we're getting more details on what the plan could be for trump's promise of mass deportation. we know texas is offering land for facilities, the new yorker now reports that people who could be the most vulnerable are actually could be most vulnerable actually entered the u.s. legally. what if anything can the biden administration do in these waning days, i guess weeks, to protect those people now before donald trump takes office? >> yeah, i think people who have applications pending, those can be adjudicated. there's a limited amount the biden administration can do. they can do some things but ultimately i think with the amount of time left, we're going to have to focus on what president trump is going to do, and remember, not withstanding the campaign rhetoric, president biden basically closed the border and there's not many people coming across the border, so he's done a lot of things that we disagree with, a lot of things we agree with like trying

to reunite families, but there's probably a limited amount he can do in the next few weeks. >> do you have the resources to fight back against president-elect trump that you may have had before? do you have what you need to accomplish that effort? >> that's a very good question. i think there are a lot of people organizing, but no, do we have the kind of resources that the federal government has? absolutely not. we're going to need volunteers, we're going to need advocates and lawyers. anybody who is willing to volunteer, and it doesn't mean you have to agree with everything that we think on immigration. but i think there's going to be a lot of people who will be stunned by what's happening. i remember during the first administration, people would call up and say, wait, i didn't think that's what mass deportation meant, the custodian at my son's school is such a nice guy. when people start to see what it looks like in practice, people will hopefully start volunteering. key can always use more resources because the federal government has massive resources, and to push back is going to take everyone's effort.

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new today, the latest jobs report giving new insight about a potential interest rate cut. new numbers show a stable job market and a major rebound for job creation.

nbc's senior business correspondent, our friend christine romans is at the big board. christine, walk us through the highlights of today's report. >> storms and strikes in october is what was that freak-out. we were worried about the 12,000 jobs added in october. it's been revised up to 36,000. that was the weakest in a couple years because of a port strike, boeing strike, and hurricanes milton and helene which basically shut down most of the southeast. what happened? a rebound there. this is a resilience performance overall. you look at the unemployment rate ticked up a little bit to 4.2%, but still historically pretty low. i look inside these numbers, peter, health care really strong part of the economy there. bars and restaurants adding workers like crazy. why? consumers are spending like crazy and going out. government jobs, this is mostly state level. adding about 33,000 jobs there. and then retail trade, this is general merchandise, big retailers, malls. lost some jobs there which is

interesting, although electronics gained. that could say something about how we're shopping now. shopping more online than shopping in physical stores. >> tells you a lot about the future of retail. let's talk about the impact. americans when they watch these segments say what's in it for me. what does it mean for the possibility of a december interest rate cut? >> wages are rising nicely here. 4% wage growth. so the paycheck is rising faster than inflation, so what does that mean for you? eventually, people are going to start feeling more purchasing power. what does it mean for the fed? looks like the fed will likely cut interest rates a tiny bit when it meets in a couple weeks. none of these numbers suggest that the fed would hold off for now. it is kind of a cautious moment here because the economy is still strong. it's still resilient. this inflation is still a little higher than the fed would like to see, so i think we can expect the fed will probably cut again, but will be cautious going forward which could be interesting heading into the new year. >> we're hearing from the white

house, we do expect president biden before he departs to deliver a speech in the next several days about the strekt of the economy he's handing over to donald trump going forward. different americans have different views of the economy. in your view right now, what is the strength, the state of our economy as it were that's being handed over to the new administration? >> a good economy has been handed over to the new administration. inflation going in the right direction, the job market still strong but cooling a little bit which is what you want to see. interest rates that have started to come down, but that's where you could see maybe some conflict heading into the new year if the president-elect or new president would like to see rates come down more quickly and you have a federal reserve that wants to be cautious and doesn't want to reignite inflation, especially if you have tariffs which could be inflationary and slowing immigration, which could also be inflationary. it sets up to be a very interesting year no matter what. >> that was fun. always nice to see you in person. be sure to tune in tomorrow for saturday today. i would be grateful if you do.

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