of fraud takes place with it. and in terms of a get rich quick hustle, it is the top of the scheme. perhaps that is why the president likes it. well, that is it for tonight. david and judy, thank you all for joining me this evening. i wish you all a very good night. remember, check the nightcap again saturday at 11:00 p.m. eastern. but for now, we are signing off. my colleagues at msnbc news, thank you for staying up late with us.

>> we have a lot to get to this evening. i do want to start with is currently breaking the internet, quite literally. today, a panel of judges upheld a new law, one signed by president biden banning the popular chinese-owned company tik-tok in the united states. the tenant-based parent company gave until january 19th of next year to sell the platform to a non-chinese company, or it will no longer be available to u.s. users. this is a complex, high-stakes policy that will require experienced diplomats you carried out, diplomats like this guy, president biden's ambassador to china. he is a career foreign service officer, ambassador to nato, degrees, and serves a high- level position in the state department. but yesterday, we learned who donald trump wants to put in that same position. former republican senator david perdue of georgia. purdue is likely being rewarded for his years of service to donald trump as a solid

election denier. in 2022, purdue tried to -- the governor, brian kemp, after he refused to go along with the attempt to overturn the 2020 election results. now, david perdue is not entirely devoid of experience in china, he is a former resident of hong kong he reportedly spent time working in the region as a businessman at dollar general, which is a discount goods company, and at sara lee, the baked goods company, and at reebok, the shoe company. but it is kind of hard to see how a former businessman who spent years trying to court connie's businesses has the diplomatic chops to go toe to toe with the chinese government on delicate issues like the potential sale of tiktok. and yet, when it comes to's most questionable appointments, purdue's nomination is not likely to be high on anybody's list. that is because donald trump has nominated so many supremely unfit people to important

government positions that it is hard to keep track of them all. considered's pick to lead the internal revenue service. former republican congressman billy long. billy long's nomination to be the chief tax collector has not gotten a lot of attention, but it probably should. given that during his time in congress, long repeatedly cosponsored a bill that would have abolished the irs, which is the very agency he is now being tapped to lead. what happens if the guy in charge of collecting the tax revenue to fund the government does not think his job should even exist? who knows? then there is trump's pick to lead the oil industry, chris wright. a man who has emphatically declared that there is no climate crisis, and who likens efforts to fight climate change to soviet-style communism. he

has been similarly dismissive about potential harm to america's drinking water posed by the chemicals used in fracking. and he has gone to some fairly extreme lengths to make that point. posting videos of himself actually drinking a cocktail of fracking chemical. >> is a collection of chemicals here, bleach used to clean your swimming pool, we use it to kill bacteria in our fracking fluid. we use this in the middle to reduce friction. on the right, we have a surfactant, also is known as soap. come on, everybody. come on in. let's drink to the world. cheers. >> that guy, the guy making his employees take a shot of bleach ends up on camera, that is a man donald trump wants to be put in charge of the u.s. -- policy. there is a pic for national intelligence. concerned members of congress and the intelligence immunity

have been bringing alarms about gaffer's alleged ties to adversarial government in russia and syria. and this week, the associated press is reporting that nearly 100 former senior u.s. diplomats and intelligence and national security officials have urged senate leaders to schedule closed-door hearings to allow for a full review of the government files on gaffer before they consider nomination. it is not a great sign when you nominate someone to lead america's intelligence agencies and members of those same intelligence agencies say, hey, wait a second. maybe you should read the secret files we have on her before you go and do that. it is not a great sign. and, of course, there is's twice that has been dominating the headlines, has a metal pick for secretary of defense, pete

hegseth. he is facing allegations of drinking on the job, financial mismanagement, and sleeping on the job. as many as six are public and senators do not yet support pete hegseth, which is enough to think his eventual nomination. today, trump himself finally and publicly came to pete hegseth's defense. >> it looks like pete is doing well now. i mean, people were a little bit concerned. he is a young guy with a tremendous track record, actually. went to princeton and harvard, he was a good student at both. but he loves the military. i think people are starting to see it. we will be working on his nomination, along with others. >> do you still have confidence in pete hegseth? >> i do, i do. a very smart guy. i have known him for a long

time. he is basically a military guy. every time i talk to him, all he wants to talk about is the military. he is a military guy. >> have you gotten assurances from senators that he will be confirmed? >> no, no. i think he will, yeah. i have had a lot of senators calling me up saying he is fantastic. >> you don't drink yourself, you have talked about how devastating drinking can be. how concerned are you that the person that you picked for this top job in the defense department, at least according to those who worked with him, has struggled with drinking? >> but i have spoken to people who know him very well and they say he does not have a drinking problem. behind the scenes, trump is reportedly not doing much to help pete hegseth along. according to abc news, trump has not been working the phones for pete hegseth as he did for

matt gaetz. according to the washington post, headset has been told not to expect trump to apply pressure to republican senators to get him over the finish line, according to people familiar with the procession. trump has apparently learned the lesson from the matt gaetz debacle, and he is not ready to stick his neck out for another controversial nominee. but according tonight, the people around trump see an upside to all of that. according to a new story from mark caputo, 82 trump believe that if pete hegseth is drawing fire from critics, there will be less attention on trump's other controversial nominees. pete hegseth is a heatshield . pete can take the heat, and that is better for everyone else. joining now is eugene daniels, political play for writer. the staff writer at the atlantic, guys, it is great to have you this friday night. let me first start with how

this reporting we are getting tonight, trump's comments, they are getting their first hearing from the interviews with me depressed, how that all squares with what you are hearing inside washington on the hill about pete hegseth's support and how far along in his nomination that it may move. >> it seems this changes everything the day, sometimes multiple times a day. at this point, the aide around president trump feel better about him, but the same senators who have concerns and are worried about the allegations and the different reports that we have seen, most of them are still in the exact same place. we heard from the senator from iowa, who has railed against the dod and the pentagon, and sexual assault within the organization, over and over again. she tweeted today that she was looking forward to continuing to talk with pete hegseth, not really a ringing endorsement, saying all of these things are

red herrings. it tells you that on the hill, they seem to still be in the exact same place, which is not where pete hegseth wanted to be, but president trump and his allies are starting to feel better about it. a little bit of cognitive dissidents, but that is where things stand as we sit here. on friday, i will say, as you just said, the idea that president trump was calling around for matt gaetz, that is something that we thought would happen every time when these folks were in danger, so he would face some things he is not. but now, it has changed a little bit of that, at least publicly. >> i feel like what, it is what you would call twisting in the wind a little bit. if pete hegseth wants to keep going back and knocking on the door saying please, and -- making saying no, but donald trump would not do anything about that. it there is a trump loyalty test and whether the senate

will actually vote on his confirmation. this is what hex of tweeted earlier this evening. i just had another substantive conversation with senator ernst. i appreciate her defense policy and i look forward to meeting with her again next week. i mean, you know well the sort of dna of these republican senators to effectively know better and know that some of these nominees are not qualified. if donald trump is not bothering to pressure them, do you think they take the high road? >> well, it gives them a huge out. a lot of what is going on with these extremist nominees is that it almost seems like trump is airing publicans in the senate to stop him. he is testing just how much will they let me get away with? part of the reason i would imagine that he is not applying

as much pressure with hex that is because he does not want to burn too much political capital or demonstrate vulnerability or weakness. what this will come down to though, is if those republican senators you are talking about, and especially john boone, the republican senate leader, i got a text a couple weeks ago from a veteran republican staff on the hill. and i asked him about boone. he said, you know, look, i have a lot of admiration for him, i have heard him talk about the dangers of trump. but, man, i think he will fold immediately early on. that was the quote i heard from him. now from a couple weeks ago, we have seen some vulnerability with the matt gaetz pick and trump's muffle on the hill. but i think this will come down to other republicans in the senate are willing to exert any strength and flex their muscle in terms of the first -- constitutional responsibility they have. if trump is on the phone really twisting their arms, i think at least a couple of these will see some republicans step up. but we will have to see. >> yeah. it seems like they will probably do the right thing, maybe, but who knows? >> i will not make a bold

prediction about that. >> i am hearing that, i am hearing that. and i understand, i sympathize. all signs point to, hey, here is an opportunity to do the right thing. and do not confirm someone who is swirled in controversy, ask donald trump to pick someone else. and then there is the controversy of who donald trump is and who he has in the party. do you think the fact that because trump is effectively a lame-duck on day one of his presidency, will he run again remains to be seen. constitutionally, he cannot run. and there is some power for republicans who are not in the presidency, but another elected office to actively check on him. you think that is a reality that they are clocking at this stage of the game? >> i think there are some folks that are thinking that way. but i think mostly we all have learned a lot of lessons, you know, in 2015 when donald trump jumped into the political phrase, and the top lesson should be that his hold on the republican party, and every time that folks have felt, you

know, other republican senators, if they can stand up to donald trump, they have folded over and over again, whether you see that as being belittled to the party, more portly, i think being loyal to one man, it has happened over and over again. so, is he allowed to run again for presidency according to our constitution? but i don't think that means that his hold over the party, getting them to do exactly what he wants them to do is going to stop. that will continue as long as he is president, as long as he wants to be in acts like the leader of the republican party. but there is something within the republican party with other folks who could be leaders refusing to do so, cannot do so, will not do so. i think a lot of it has to do with how much of a figure donald trump is for the republican party and the folks that vote for him. and the mega movement is actually real. so that tells us that these

republicans will get some chances, we are seeing there what we saw with matt gaetz were they called donald trump and said, hey, this is a no go. we are not seeing that so much right now, but they will have time, after time, after time over the next four years to stand up to donald trump if that is what they choose to do. it is hard to see. i think people have gotten their stuff over the years and have been let down over and over again. >> then there is the reality, for example, the script leading into this month, there are so many unqualified controversial nominees. you know, the focus is immediately distractive. i will read a quote from mark caputo's piece. adviser to a senate republican put up on wii. reporters are like flies at a picnic. if you put something away from the picnic table, flies will swarm that and leave everyone else alone to eat at the barbecue. i guess the barbecue is a metaphor for confirming pete hegseth. i don't know. or something like that.

i feel like there is almost a certain bet that trump has flooded the zone so much that they will be able to get a vast majority of these folks through. >> it has been this game of misdirection that trump has been playing from the beginning. matt gaetz distracted from the scrutiny that access should have been getting pete hegseth is now distracted from the scrutiny of rfk jr. in a number of the other people that you talked about at the top of the hour there should be getting. you know, the reality is that the press only has so many column inches in so many minutes in their broadcast, so many people in their newsroom to cover all of these nominees. and the reality is, like, we just cannot cover all of them and give them all the investigative scrutiny that they deserve. and we never really had a president whose nominated such a large fleet of controversial nominees at once. i think that is one of trump's

talents, he has used his talent in other ways, the way that he deploys a variety of controversial and provocative rhetoric every single day, reporters cannot focus on any one thing for too long. but this, again, sorry to come back to it, but this is where the senate has to fulfill its role. each one of these people that they get to a hearing should have a serious hearing, they should have to answer serious questions, those answers are going to be brought back and constituents will have to put pressures on their lawmakers if they do not like the answers they are hearing. >> yes, and that is poetic irony. the week that the senate is really under pressure to -- mitt romney officially gave his closing remarks as a senator in the chamber. so it goes, here we are. eugene daniels, thank you for your time this friday evening. >> do not forget that you can catch kristen welker's full sedan interview with president

line elect trump on nbc news this sunday. coming up, owners of major news outlets are coming under fire for bending the knee to the court of mag up. but first, former president barack obama revealed his vision for the way forward. our congressional democrats listening. i will discuss comments with jamie raskin coming up next. stay with us.

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allies in unlikely places. too often, we assume the people on the other side have monolithic views. when in reality, some of them may share our beliefs in sticking to the rules, observing norms, none of this will be easy, building up these habits and practices that so often we have lost, learning to trust each other again, that is a generational crack this. >> former president barack obama in his first public remarks since the election called for the country to find common ground. his proposed path forward and those of the party are also considering the future in -- that appears to be taking shape as a changing of the guard. today, new york congresswoman avandia akai zero cortez

announcer bid to become the ranking democrat on the house oversight committee, one of the most visible positions in congress. the 35-year-old is running against 74-year-old congressman gerry connolly of virginia. in the role they are vying for open up earlier this week when congressman jamie raskin threw his hat in the ring for the top democratic spot on the judiciary committee, opposing the 77-year-old who has held the position. currently the making -- ranking member on the oversight committee. it is great to have you, straight to the source of executive happening in your caucus. first of all, what is happening here? it feels like, correct me if i am wrong, there is maybe a new generation that is driving for house leadership. >> generational politics is always present in congress in the country. but i think what is really happening is that the democrat

feel that we are in the fight for our lives and we want to deploy and redeploy people to different positions to get ready for the fight, to defend our democracy, our freedom in our constitution. and i think it is really what is going on right now. >> is everyone on board with this changing of the guard, if you will? i know leader hunter jeffrey says the caucus is working at will and we are doing it in a cordial fashion. now, i will say that i know it is supposed to be in on position, but not doing anything about changing leadership roles is a position in and of itself. >> yeah, well, i think it is true that it is cordial, but it is democratic with a small deed, it is all based on conversation and dialogue. i have had hundreds of conversations with my colleagues about how best to arrange ourselves for this coming fight. you probably noticed, alex, that we have a republican trifecta right now, the margin in the house is rager -- razor

thin. but they still have a tiny majority. and we need to figure out the best strategies to either pull over moderate republicans that either biden won or harris won, to side with us on issues, like gun safety and the women's right to choose. and we certainly need to be messaging a lot more effect lovely to america about what it is we are sinning for and what it is we are fighting for. and so that means that we need to be messaging more effectively to your audience, and even beyond the msnbc audience to the rest of americans and the people who are watching fox news right now. >> can i asked, because the news today is that alexandra ocasio-cortez is throwing in her hat for the top democratic seat on the oversight committee. do you think she would be a good choice? >> i think she would be an excellent choice. i think, you know, our colleague in virginia, gerry

connolly, he would be a great choice. they offer different strengths. you know, different divisions, but they work closely together, we have all worked closely together as a team. aoc has been my ranking member, so she is familiar with my style. gerry connolly has been on the committee for a lot longer and he is familiar with the history and evolution of the committee. so we will have a really interesting stations about what we want to happen on the oversight committee, both in minority and when we take the congress back in 2026, what we will do with the oversight committee, we will make sure that the government is an interest -- instrument to the people and not a plaything for billionaires. we have a record number of billionaires who have been nominated or assigned by donald trump to his new cabinet. there is a name for that, and it is called oligarchy, or plutocracy. it is government for the wealthiest, and not for the working people. and i know that was the big

pose during the campaign, but america is in for a cold shower here when we see who is really benefiting from the government they are putting into place. >> i think if you take non- senate confirmed positions, it is the net worth of $340 billion, to your point, but i do want to go back to something about what this moment demands. you mentioned that democrats need to talk to an appeal to people who are not just watching our fabulous channel, but are also watching other networks, like fox. when he to someone, for example, aoc, who is an incredible voice in the democratic party and who has a network in a bipartisan fashion across the aisle on some initiatives, she has worked hand-in-hand with matt gaetz, not exec me known as a liberal swish. but she is a liberal firebrand. in the context of appealing to more people from across the aisle, you know, does that hurt the effort to widen the vote,

if you will, if you have someone like her atop one of the most powerful committees in congress? >> a question they are going to be asked during this process, you know, in the campaign for the judiciary committee, we have a couple more days before the actual election takes place. as we go through this -- >> do you want to have one right now on error? >> well, you know, aoc is in her third term as a representative, she is very different from the aoc who first entered. inevitably, you become like that when you are a member of congress and you have to deal with right wing republicans and conservative republicans, liberal members of your caucus and conservative hours of your caucus, the hierarchy, and so on. i am sure gerry connolly, our

other candidate, is a very changed candidate from when he first began on the oversight committee. and he is somebody who was in a swing district and is now in a very blue district. so, these things change. but i do think the times call upon us to be able to figure out how to expand the democratic party and to make it to the party of democracy. after all, that is what we are. the gop does not even claim to be standing for democracy anymore. they are arranged on cause i monarchal principles, and their leader is surrounded by a bunch of billionaire oligarchs, it is a very different form of government than what we have here, i agree it is more difficult on our side, because we really are a party based on pluralism and diversity, we bring in people all across the

racial, ethnic, gender, sexual orientation, geographic spectrum, and so on. and we are traditionally the party of the working class comedy --, the working class of america. we have to put a lot of things together to do with his new environment, which is located right segregated media systems. >> i do want to ask you as we wrap up, you know, former president obama talked, i think quite eloquently, about the work ahead, that it is not just for the will, but for the waking, this is a better generational effort to begin to trust each other again. we are seeing congressman o'connell and asquith, democrats, joining the congress to cut several ways. is that the right call? it is about democrats trying to find, you know, common cause with even some of the most magnified soldiers in trump's army? >> we are always looking to

make comments across the aisle, you know, i have had legislation with jim jordan to try to disband -- and reporters across the country, not to have their private notes subpoenaed and to be hauled into court, you know, because that is a violation of the freedom of press, that is something where we are able to find conservative, liberal connection on. and when i was in the state senate, we had a bunch of republicans who joined us for marriage equality, for abolishing the death penalty, so, we can make common cause, the important thing is to remember what a political party is. party comes from the french word that means a part. our party is part of the whole, once we get elected, we have to try to represent the whole, we represent everybody. and people say, well, that is romantic or idealistic, but in fact, i think the vast majority of politicians do it all the

time. if you come to my district office out in beautiful rockville, maryland, we will serve you if you have a problem with social security, medicare or medicaid, ppp loans, department of education, whatever it is, and we never ask you what your political party is. because we go to serve everyone who lives in the district of maryland. and i think most representatives think like that. i wish the republican senators in the second impeachment trial had thought that way, as opposed to rendering an impartial verdict, which means nonpartisan, but it ended up being pretty partisan. it was 57-43 vote, the most bipartisan verdict we ever had in eight parliament told impeachment trial. and still, we were not able to get to that dispassionate objective on the verdict. >> reminding us of the french origin, our democratic work at hand. thank you for your time, it is great to have your perspective on all of this. >> you bet. >> coming up, what happens when national newspapers search plate footsie with maga

conspiracies? from reporter michelle noris, that is next.

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this week, the billionaire owner of the los angeles times, dr. patrick strong announced a new artificial intelligence program he plans to use for everything the paper publishes

come january. >> i am now working with the team behind the scenes to create the ai version, but not ai in the sense of making up stories. but imagine if you denotative it will be news or opinion and you have a bias medium, automatically, the radiator -- reader can press a button and get two sides of the exact same story based on the story. >> reporter: in the past few months, the paper has moved distinctively to the right. by blocking the editorial board from endorsing kamala harris, by adding more conservative paper staff, and by calling the paper itself an echo chamber. now dr. positions here is not notable, not just because he has exclaiming it is notable, not just because he is claiming his a newspaper for the lack of trust in the media, but because he is not in times of curried favor. the billionaire owner of the washington post, jeff bezos, also locked his editorial board from endorsing kamala harris.

when asked what he makes of trump's demonization of the press, bezos turned to flattery. >> what about the idea that he says the press is the enemy? >> well, i think he, i will try to talk him out of that idea. i do not think the press is the enemy. he has probably grown in the last few years, he has two. >> before opinion economist left the post in -- for the decision to endorse kamala harris. a senior contributing editor here at msnbc news, michelle, great to see you, thank you for coming into this program on a friday night. there is no one i want to talk to more about all of this then you. first of all, in the same deal conference, where basil make comments about having trump grown up, he also said he is,

and has grown in the past eight years. and i wonder what went through your mind when you heard those comments? >> you know, people should really listen to the full interview, it is very interesting. jeff bezos owns the paper, that is his prerogative to do what he wants with the paper. when he was talking about trying to convince donald trump that the press is not the enemy, that is a steep hill to climb with the president because he enters into politics on a hot vessel, so much of that was directed at the media. you know? the news -- the phrase "fake news" has entered our lexicon because of him. and it is not because he sees everyone in the media as his enemy, he has appointed several people from fox news to his cabinet and his administration. what he does not like is scrutiny. what he does not like is a press that is willing to ask tough questions. what he does not like is the

press that will put his policies and his leadership under a microscope. and flattery will not work in terms of changing his mind. we have seen that over the last few years. you know, i applaud his optimism, but i think that is going to be a very tough sell. >> optimism and not with other motive that may relate or not to a business interest under the next trump administration. i do have to ask about the l.a. times. because if bezos is trying to appeal to trump's favor, that is one thing. dr. patrick strong installing and ai manipulation to, i guess, some of the notion that the news is biased and in some ways, fake, it seems deeply problematic for the states, once you start harnessing technology to double down on a notion that the press is not

honest and journalists are not truthful and the state is inherently biased, what is your feeling about this mechanism that is set to lunch at the l.a. times in january? >> we have entered the realm of the strange now. if you are using ai. it means you do not trust your journalists. if you have to bring in some sort of algorithmic technology to determine whether there is bias in the newsroom, that means you do not trust your journalists, your editors, or the editorial process. there are several things that are not answered. at this point, it applies to stories in the opinion page or in the paper overall because there is a distinct difference. and people watching to understand that you should expect to see opinions in the opinion section, but in the general section of the paper,

you would expect to see a fair and unbalanced coverage. if you are using, when he explained it, he said people could press a button so they could see the story written from the opposite point of view, well, that suggests that for a story, there is only two points of view, life is often much more complicated than that. so, when beat reporters in the body of the coverage, what they try to do is present all sides of the story, there are often not just two sides, there are often many nuances. you know, there is also a baseline issue with ai itself. >> yes. we understand that ai learns from us. and ai often absorbs our biases, even when they are deeply embedded, even when it is a cognition that people do not even understand those biases, and they creep into ai. we are seeing that now, there are several studies that show that voice recognition technology, other forms of ai,

if it is being used, it is often incorrect, there is another story in a news right now, a man assassinated in new york city, you know, united healthcare, his company was under investigation because they were using and ai system to measure medical claims. in that system had a 90% failure rate. and when it comes to bias, ai is not immune from bias itself. so, you know, there is a larger issue here with trust in the media and owners having trust in the people that they hire, and trying to earn trust from their consumer base. and it is difficult when they themselves have introduced a new form for those consumers to see bias because of their business interests. and that is one of the issues that we have to face when we are talking about trust in the media. >> technology somehow entering the swirl, purposely making money by the right wing around trusting the media. what could go wrong. here we are, a brave new world. listen, there is no better person than to navigate it with

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it was described as a second dark age, the headline in the new york times was due to dark mist creates many crises in suburbs, a school bus driver told the paper, i can see mothers holding candles, walking with their children. in january of 1974, for decades, the united states has been in a love-hate relationship with the biannual changing of the clock. that is springing forward with daylight savings and falling back into standard time. congress voted to make springing forward the default time all year round in order to save energy during the fuel crisis in the 1970s, but it did not last long. americans did not like being on permanent daylight savings time. frustrations mounted, following reports of children being struck and killed by cars as they walked to school in the dark. congress quickly reversed the change in americans went back to springing forward and

falling back. but now, these seem to be heads of trump's department of efficiency are signaling that they would very much like to make daylight savings permanent. and while most of their plans, like cutting $2 trillion from the federal budget, while most of that is causing consternation, this thing they want to do might actually be popular, according to a poll, 62% of americans want to stop changing their clock, and 50% want daylight savings to be the standard. joining me now is the national reporter for the washington post, dan, thank you for getting into a deep and hot debate here. i am sure it is that way across the country. first of all, what is the political reality of changing clocks? not every state would be affected in the same way if we switched to either permanent savings -- daylight savings are standard time, is that right? >> the days that follow daylight savings time, two have adopted out. hawaii and arizona. but in terms of lyrical

reality, it seems like it would be a simple fix. about two thirds of americans hate clock changes, the challenge is that there is a consensus on what they want next. maybe half of americans want permanent daylight savings time, about a third what -- they want what is called standard time, that is what i am and in washington, d.c., it is not an easy path forward. i was on capitol hill this week talking to frank colsn, the former leader of house energy and congress committee. they look at it two years ago. he said, i could not get to a deal. i'm not sure that elon musk and vivek ramaswamy are aware of just how complicated it is in the clock changes. >> if we stayed on permanent daylight savings in detroit, the son would not rise until 9:00 a.m. michigan is a swing state. i'm sure you do not want michiganders to be angry at their lives think -- thanks your new policy. as a health supportive, which you think is better for us in terms of our circadian rhythms or seasonal affective disorder?

daylight savings time or standard time, which is what we are in right now? >> you know, we are not supposed to take opinions, but this might be an exception, i thought a lot about it. it is a topic that is a passion for me. i do think that the system that we have, if you are trying to strike a balance across the country, you do not want people in michigan and indiana waking up and seeing the sun not rise until after the clock a.m., but you also want to give that extra hour, especially to folks on the coast. maybe we could move back the change, not from sunday morning as it is now, but moved back to saturday morning, and give people more time, maybe over a three day weekend to get used to the changes that happen. it does seem that standard time is much healthier, it is much more in tune with our circadian rhythms, but there are good arguments for why daylight time brings happiness too. >> ironically, those on the coast would like daylight savings permanent, and those perhaps in the interior of the country would like something

else. like so many other things, dan, there seems to be maybe even a red state, blue state split on daylight savings. here we are, america 2024. dan diamond, thank you for spending the time with us on this dark, dark friday night. >> thank you for keeping me after the daylight hours, alex. good to see you. >> we will be right back. there is a thing called age, and it sucks. >> if you are over 50, imagine you could turn back the clock on your achy joints by years.

new reaction as the results of the presidential election reverberate throughout this country. before we go, i want to give you something to look forward to this weekend. this is the before circa 2019

when the roof and spire of the notre dame cathedral in paris were destroyed in a fire. the cathedral reopens to the public this sunday. it is a sign to that catastrophes do not always last forever and what's broken can also be fixed and also that paris makes everything better. now it's time for the last word with my friend jonathan capehart. good evening. >> good evening, alex. i went to paris for the first time in like 30 years last october and it acquitted itself well. >> she always looks great and even better this weekend now that notre dame is finally going to be unveiled. >> absolutely. alex have, a great weekend. >> have a great show. you have seen more happen in the last two weeks than you have in the last four years. that's what donald trump said