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welcome to alex witt reports. i'm yamiche alcindor for alex. we begin with breaking news. president trump in paris today. french president macron invited trump to the celebration. president biden was also invited to attend but he declined due to scheduling conflicts. earlier today trump was greeted in grand style at the palace, the official residence of the french president, by macron. then trump sat down for talks with macron and volodymyr zelenskyy. we have reporters and analysts in place covering all of this new developing news. let's start with msnbc news's vaughn hilliard in paris. a tough assignment for you. we knew president-elect trump would be meeting with macron. how unexpected was zelenskyy being added to this meeting? what more do we know about

what's happening right now? >> reporter: this is a significant geopolitical day here. this is donald trump's first trip out of the country since election day and you're watching this feed come in in real-time as we are watching the president-elect. he just entered the notre dame cathedral here in the last two minutes. we're told by our reporter colleague inside that upon the face of president-elect trump being shown inside the notre dame cathedral when he was being greeted by president macron outside upon exiting his motorcade, there were actually boos and laughter inside the cathedral. this is really quite a moment in, you can say, this regional history here. because he is joined by president zelenskyy just an hour ago inside of a meeting at the palace of president macron. initially there were supposed to be two separate meetings. instead, it started as a trump-macron meeting and then it

got merged into a three-way meeting in which at a moment in time in which the incoming trump administration is repeatedly suggesting that it could cut off continued aid to ukraine in its defenses against russian aggression. you are watching there. right now in real-time. president-elect trump elect here who is meeting with president zelenskyy inside the cathedral as other world leaders, several presidents, including of poland, are inside this cathedral. prince william is here for this event. this is a moment in which president macron, yamiche, urged president trump to come here for this reopening ceremony of the cathedral five years after it nearly burned down. clearly, president macron who has remained a staunch ally of president zelenskyy and continued financial aid to russia used this moment, used his palace as an opportunity to bring donald trump together with

president zelenskyy at a time in which there are serious questions about not only the stability of nato but also the alliance that has defended ukraine through the first three years of war. >> clearly this is significant, as you said, for geopolitical politics, for president-elect trump as he is now having president-elect privileges, being in france. with that being said, i want to bring in a senior political correspondent for "the guardian." i want to talk to you about what is happening during this visit. we've now seen donald trump meeting with two presidents of foreign nations with countries that are incredibly important to the united states in this moment. talk to us a little about what you think is motivating donald trump and what you think about this moment. >> if you talk to people in trump's orbit with respect to the visit, they really see it as a victory lap. trump and macron famously didn't have the best of relationships

during the first administration, and i think it was inside trump's circle. he won, he's coming back, and macron is having to receive him in paris more generally. and at this very culturally significant moment for france at large with the reopening of notre dame. i think this is kind of where it starts, right? this is the diplomacy that trump will be pressing but it will be his own agenda. and i think if you people back the layer that this is trump coming into europe. coming to a europe that is very nervous about how trump will govern for the next four years with respect to nato and with respect to ukraine. talking about with respect to aid, and france and ukraine in particular have been looking at this visit as a moment, according to our reporting, to try to shore up support so there will be continued aid in the years ahead.

>> vaughn, i want to come back to you. you're, of course, there in france covering all of this. what was the mood both in that first meeting when it was just president-elect trump and president macron, and then of course, the addition of president zelenskyy. >> reporter: we're still waiting for a read-out from either the trump team or president zelenskyy or macron's team about the specifics of that meeting. this was all happening in the last hour before they made their way to the cathedral. as you watch more world leaders and dignitaries exit their motorcades to enter the cathedral. when it comes to president macron and president-elect donald trump, those two struck up a deep relationship, one that was sometimes tense, and other moments, though, where president macron used flattery as a form of winning over president-elect trump. that's where at one point back at a world war i commemoration,

just days after donald trump touted himself being a nationalist, the president of france used that moment and that speech to suggest and condemn that nationalism was not in good favor for a globalism and a united front, and the alliances that nato, especially, has allowed the european union and other allies to really move over the last seven decades. the world order in a much more straightened position. i think this is where, when you look at the scenes here, i think it is important to note the seating arrangement. we were able to see a photo of the arrangement before everybody started into the cathedral. and president trump is faced in the most prominent seat. >> and i want to say we're seeing the first lady jill biden

entering here. i want to continue to let you do the reporting. but also, the first lady of france, french president macron's wife. she's now there with the first lady being jill biden. while i have you, also, in some ways talk about what emmanuel macron is going through. this was a tough week for the french parliament. they had a no confidence vote against the prime minister and his cabinet effectively toppling the government there. with that in mind, i wonder what you make of this moment for macron. he's using this opportunity to meet with the current president but also having to balance his own domestic politics. >> reporter: correct. you want to talk about consternation about france's relationship with the united states and the e.u.

here domestically, at home and in france, this was a very difficult week. a week of political turmoil. the government collapsing. the prime minister resigning two days ago. the far right and the far left struggling to come to terms with a government that is able to put forward a budget and at a time in which there is much frustration with president macron. he's determined to end in 2027. he's said he won't step down from this post. he's tried to use this cathedral reopening as a moment to make the case that the word "impossible" is not a word in france. if they're able to rebuild this cathedral effectively in five years' time they can handle other big tasks and form a government. he has lost multiple prime ministers over the last five years and has been a very difficult political time for him. and when you're looking at not only the difficulty of his own internal politics.

why invite president-elect trump to paris for this? well, president-elect trump is also repeatedly threatened and said he intends to impose significant tariffs on all eu exported goods to the united states and at a time when the french and eu economies are reliant on the export markets of the united states and the trading relations that these two allied nations have. it is incumbent upon him to convince donald trump to stand down from that threat, understanding the economic impact it would have on both countries here. that's where you hear the bells in the cathedral ringing, if you may, for the moment, ringing for the first time. i don't know if everybody else can hear. i will be quiet here for a quick moment. this is the first time we're hearing these bells in five years at the notre dame cathedral. [ bell ringing ]

>> and it is an incredibly poignant moment to hear those bells after five years. we watched on tv as the notre dame was ravaged by fire. to see this beautiful church back open. this bell tolling again is really moving when you think about all that that storied building has gone through. >> reporter: this, if i may, yamiche, is a moment. for not only this cathedral, paris, france, the eu, nato. there is a reason that you're seeing these global leaders descend here today on to paris for this moment. in so many ways, with so much consternation, so much worry about where the international order is going, it's moments like these that are suddenly far

and few between that bring these countries and these world leaders together. and president macron is not naive to the tenderness of the relationship, the long relationship that france has had with the united states as an al eye. we're watching president zelenskyy, who we should note, was not scheduled to be here until yesterday afternoon. this came days after president-elect trump committed to being here. it was a notable surprise to have him, both of them here. this is a ceremony in which five years after this cathedral nearly burned down, the roof collapsed in, the spire that you're looking at now fell in. they went in and cleaned each of the pieces of artwork, the statues. cleaned off the grit and the ash from the limestone. it is really a moment for the people of france and also one in which they're able to see president macron effectively convince president-elect trump to come for his first

international visit, still a month away from his inauguration back home in the united states. >> looking at this cathedral really in some ways shows why it was so important for the french to rebuild. it's such a magnificent building. if you're there in person -- i've been there and had the honor several times. it is a beautiful cathedral and one that stands out so much in the architecture of the world. certainly in france. to see that bell just ringing again is really, really moving here on this saturday at 7:12 in paris. just a beautiful sight to see these aerial images of the notre dame. that being said, i want to come to you. what we know is inside that storied building, inside this building being resurrected and having its reopening, there is this reopening of the second term of the trump administration. he is now back on the international scene. he's now met with emmanuel

macron. in that three-person meeting, there was volodymyr zelenskyy, the president of ukraine also added. what do you make of that? you think about the symbolism of the moment. donald trump saying, i'm back here, too. >> reporter: it's really the confluence of multiple story lines that have converged this weekend. back home we have trump's embattled secretary nominee trying to make inroads with senators. at the moment, it seems like, he may prevail. trump's aides who are working on that nomination saying they haven't gotten to three no votes yet so that nomination stays alive. as long as that nomination stays alive, the rest of europe, especially france and ukraine, are watching very closely because that could be the future of the pentagon and the way that the u.s. military interacts with the european states' militaries.

i think the fact that there was a three-way meeting in paris, there was the trump-macron-zelenskyy meeting is significant in many ways. it was a way to put up a united front. this is something that european officials talk of a lot. if we can come together and show trump how big of a deal it is for europe, and it is for nato, maybe we can convince him to continue to support aid to ukraine. the story lines here are so myriad and so diverse and so complicated. the fact that i think all of these things are coming together in many ways, it maybe falls into europe's favor, nato's favor. they can say, look, this is what we stand for. this is our liberal democracy in the west, the democracy in europe. the history here is very, very long. you talk to people in france, you talk to people in germany, the rest of the kaunlt. world war ii looms very, very large. sometimes it gets lost in the discourse in the u.s.

in europe, when it is such a big deal, i think it was quite important for macron, especially, to have trump this and witness it. >> it was certainly very important for him as he got an invitation from trump, the invitation from macron's office. i want to say that we're watching a religious procession here happening in front of the notre dame cathedral as it reopens. we'll be monitoring all that is happening there in paris. the french president macron continues to welcome people to the reopening of the cathedral. but first, new information on the murder of a ceo in new york city. we're back in 90 seconds. we're back in 90 seconds m i hea? am i just gonna take what the markets gives me? no. i can do some research. ya know, that's backed by j.p. morgan's leading strategists like us. when you want to invest with more confidence... the answer is j.p. morgan wealth management why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher. and to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids

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now. if you do, you're basically giving a tim to the person we're seeking and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. let him continue to believe he can hide behind the mask. >> also new today, the nypd says detectives are in atlanta working with local police there to bust that suspect that originated in atlanta. nypd investigators are laying out a detailed time line of the suspect's movements before and after the shooting. they say he likely fled the city on wednesday. right now, police are examining a backpack found in central park last night in what could be the biggest clue yet. joining me now from new york, near the crime scene, priscilla thompson. thank you for being here. what's the latest on this investigation? >> yeah. the fbi is taking a more public role announcing overnight a

$50,000 reward in addition to the $10,000 the nypd is offering for any information that would lead to the arrest of this individual, and it comes, as you mentioned, after the nypd found a potentially crucial piece of evidence. that backpack they believe may belong to the shooter. as for now, the suspect and who he is remains unknown. and where he is remains unknown. >> an urgent manhunt growing wider. >> we have reason to believe that the person in question has left new york city. >> reporter: the nypd police commissioner saying that this man, a person of interest in killing brian thompson, may have left the city. it come after an extensive video canvas that shows the suspect leaving the hilton hotel after the shooting. getting on a bike and riding into central park. then riding out of the park at 77th street before he is seen walking on 86th. >> from there we have him in a

taxicab and it takes him to 178th street and broadway which is a port authority bus center. >> reporter: where he went next is a question. >> we have video of him entering the bus terminal. we don't have video of him exiting. we believe he may have gotten on baas. we want to make sure we have the right bus. >> investigators uncovering a crucial piece of evidence after scouring central park from above and on foot. a gray backpack that may have been carried by the suspected shooter. two senior law officials say they found a bag. it will be inspected for dna and then opened. overnight, new information. investigators are looking into whether the gunman used a larger firearm known as a veterinary gun used on ranches. it's as a search enters a fourth day, police have not given a motive. joseph kinney adding only that

nothing in our investigation indicates that it had anything to do with thompson's personal life. he says investigators are talking to thompson's family, his lleagues and minnesota law enforcement. meanwhile, online, anger toward the health ministry is coming into focus. tens of thousands taking to social media to criticize the industry. some sympathizing with the shooter. the horrific crime prompting heightened security. cbs removing photos of the company leadership from the website. one of the biggest medicaid insurers changing next week's investor's meeting. the shooter roams free. with the shooter now likely out of new york city, authorities are asking people to look closely at that photo of his face. if they recognize that person, to call the fbi or the nypd tip line or they're saying if you think you see that person on the street, to call 911 immediately.

yamiche? >> thank you for all that great reporting. it is a heartbreaking situation. next hour, we're tall all about the developments of that case. now to washington, d.c. next week, president biden will deliver remarks on the economy. what can we hear, can we expect to hear from president biden on tuesday about the economy? >> reporter: yeah, apologies in advance for some of the noise you'll hear behind me as crews continue to build some of the infrastructure for inauguration day. you're right. officials are saying that one of the president's final goals in his last 44 days in office is essentially going to be this farewell tour. this series of speeches in which we expect him to tout all that he was able to do while in office. he's expected to deliver a major economic address in washington on tuesday where we expect him

to argue that his work on the economy has set americans up for success long-term. that americans will essentially see the fruits of his labor in five to ten years, rather than immediately, something that we know he has struggled to convey to americans for years now. and one official tells us this speech is essentially aimed at trying to claim credit where credit is due before president-elect trump is able to do that and take credit for the work of the biden administration. here's how the white house secretary explained it during yesterday's press briefing. >> over the last four years, the president has rejected trickle down economics and written a new economic play book that builds the economy from the middle out, not the top down. this is a strong foundation for years to come. as many of you have reported, including the associated press, trump will inherit an economy primed for growth.

>> reporter: officials say we can expect the president to deliver more speeches on other topics like health care, crime, and foreign policy. and yamiche, another possible last move by the president before leaving office are these preemptive pardons that he could give to allies who have been critical of president-elect trump. officials confirming that these are very preliminary conversations, that no final decision has been made. no official list of possible contenders has been created. there are some names floating around as far as who could potentially receive these preemptive pardons. people like senator-elect adam schiff, liz cheney, as well as dr. anthony fauci. all people we have heard for years president-elect trump and his allies publicly condemn and criticize. and officials are noting that this does have widespread support from democrats as well

as never-trump republicans. but there are still a lot of questions surrounding this possibility. for one thing, we don't know whether these people have come to the white house and asked the white house to do this. whether they even want this to happen. and while we did hear karine jean-pierre saying we can expect the president to make more pardons, it is unclear whether it could be separate from the preemptive pardons. >> and to think about what that could really mean, and of course, i have to say thank you for going through and powering through as all that noise is being made. it's a reminder that inauguration day is just 44 days away. thank you so much. joining me now, harry litman. a former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general. he is now the talking feds podcast. we heard her fighting that sound of inauguration. but in some ways it's a reminder of what is to come. for you, what really are, if you

can explain for our viewers, what are preemptive pardons? something not too many americans have heard of. why might they be useful in this moment? >> yeah. they're kind of a new concept. i think it would be better to think of them as protective pardons. the idea is there are these dozens of people on various hit list that's trump has promised to go after, even though they've done nothing wrong. it is a very tricky position for the white house. because they could cast a broad net and not only to the number of people but to the terms of each saying, you can't do anything to them. but of course, it would really be a kind of final legacy move by the president and would be very hard to rebut the suggestion that will come later that oh, this is just doing the same and politicizing. it's different because we'r talking about really people who are otherwise innocent, have

done nothing wrong. but it's a kind of an almost game of chicken. would trump actually do this? this would be the final chance to exercise power and protect or give a safe harbor to people who otherwise might be really unfairly in the cross hairs, have to pay a lot of money and the like. >> yeah. and she just ran down some of those names. nbc news is saying -- >> liz chain. >> yeah. adam schiff, liz cheney. there's an enemies list that is long here. at least, it is reportedly long here when you look at who trump and his allies may go after. if president biden chooses to offer these, how many will be needed? and will he accept a pardon? even if they believe nothing they've done is wrong at all. >> a two-part question. the first one is very good. if you do the first swipe at

people, what about their deputies? jack smith's team, et cetera. it gets bigger and bigger. it would have to be an arbitrary cut-off. the law, people think you have to accept. it's really a little bit unclear. they would have the option to accept. i think there would be a couple people, senator-elect schiff is one of them who would say, i'm not going to do it. i've done nothing wrong. if trump come after him, he could then say, here it is. i've got the pardon. he would be armed even if he didn't want to use it. >> something we'll stay on and keep reporting on. there's also new reporting by nbc news about tulsi gabbard, donald trump's pick for the nation's highest ranking intelligence official. what we've learned. that's next. at's next. k. unresolved depression symptoms were in my way.

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defense secretary lloyd austin is set to speak in 90 minutes from now at the reagan national defense farm in simi valley, california. here in washington, the focus is on donald trump's pick to succeed him, pete hegseth. he is facing allegations of sexual assault which he denies. our national security correspondent joins us now. thanks for being here. our reporting suggests a number of senators from both parties have concerns about hegseth's prospects. how concerned are president-elect trump and vice president-elect j.d. vance? >> reporter: yeah. so we weren't really hearing a lot from either of them in defense of pete hegseth until yesterday when both of them actually threw him sort of a life line here. president-elect donald trump speaking on truth social,

writing on truth social, and then of course, speaking to our colleague, kristin welker. in both cases, defending pete hegseth, talking about his record, his education, an ivy league school, and then swerving the national guard and deploying to combat on two different occasions. we heard on camera from vice president-elect j.d. vance about pete hegseth also defending him while he was on a tour of hurricane damage in north carolina. here's what he had to say. >> pete hegseth will get his appearing before the senate armed services committee. not a sham hearing before the american media. we believe that pete hegseth is the right guy to lead the department of defense. that's why president trump nominated him. we're not abandoned this nomination. we're not going to make it easy for people. donald j. trump who just won an election by a very significant margin. the senate is who determines who

the secretary of defense is. >> reporter: and yamiche, one piece of language, or message that has really changed is now we're hearing more people talking about, look, hegseth is going to get to a committee hearing and that is where this will be decided. that's a subtle shift in language that i've really been noticing over the last 24 to 48 hours. of course, he is not the only nominee who is facing a level of scrutiny. the nominee to be the director of national intelligence, tulsi gabbard, also coming under fire this week when a group of about 100 national security professionals released a letter calling on congress to hold closed-door hearings about tulsi gabbard so members of congress who would be responsible for confirming her to that job, for that role, can hear information that is classified, that can now be released to the public so they can get more information than you or i know about her past. one of the thing that seems to

be really a matter of concern for some of these professionals is gabbard's january 2017 trip to syria. it's not clear who all she met with there. what is clear is she came back from that trip and made some statements that concerned some people in the united states, talking about bashar al asaad, the president of syria, as not being an enemy of america, and things that could be seen as positive about the syrian regime and vladimir putin. both of these concerned professionals asking that there be a closed-door hearing so they can get the full story here, yamiche. >> definitely interesting to see bipartisan concerns on tulsi gabbard like that. thank you for joining us from california. we'll take you back to paris soon as questions arise about the president-elect's meeting with other world leaders. worlds —no peeking. —okay. okay. ♪♪ open. ♪♪

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you're looking at world leaders, president-elect trump and jill biden are attending the reopening ceremony of the notre dame cathedral. it was ravaged by a fire five and a half years ago. on donald trump's first overseas trimp, he met with french president macron and praised the relationship. >> it's an honor to be here.

we had a good time together and we had a lot of, a lot of successful really great success working together on defense and offense, too. and it certainly seems like the world is going a little crazy right now. and we'll be talking about that. thank you for being here. >> joining me now, the staff writer for the atlantic and msnbc contributor. thanks. so for being here. why do you think president-elect donald trump is in paris today standing alongside all these foreign world leaders when he still hasn't taken office. what do you think is really at the heart of it here? >> i think there are two things going on. trump, of course, is ready to reclaim the presidential mantle. he enjoys strutting on the international stage and i think he accepted the invitation. the other thing going on, is that the invitation to him that was extended. european leaders are very afraid about what a second trump term will look like. i've done a lot of reporting,

i've talked to diplomats and elected officials and all of them have said in the lead-up to this election, if trump comes back, there will need to be a major charm offensive, at least in the near term to try to get him on europe's side. they're afraid of what he'll do with tariffs. they're afraid of what he'll do with nato. the reason you see macron there being chummy with him, standing next to him. they really need to get him to, you know, see the value in the longstanding alliance between europe and the united states. and it's not clear that he does. >> it's really interesting that you say that. you've been writing about europe's fear of donald trump and now, of course, president-elect trump, long before the election results were clear. so i wonder when you think about european leaders, what do you expect them to do? are they going to cozy up? do they expect trump to play ball and be receptive to flattery?

>> yeah. the calculation that a lot of them have made, and they were talking about this six, seven, eight months ago when i was reporting in europe and they've been talking about it more recently as i've been checking back in with them. trump is a man susceptible to flattery. if they make him feel important, they make him feel loved, maybe they can get him on their side. a lot of diplomats i talked to in europe said the mistake they made in the first trump term was kind of playing into the antagonistic posture that trump wanted to have with europe. angela merkel, other european leaders, ended up fanning the flames of that hostility. trump was the one who started it but they played into it. so in the near term, i think you will see these european leaders try to cozy up to them. they don't have any other choice. they need the u.s. to stay committed to ukraine. they need the u.s. to stay committed to nato. and they know that trump could wreak havoc on their economies

with tariffs. in the long term, i think what you're hearing is a lot of european leaders saying we need to disentangle ourselves from america to a certain extent. we clearly can't count on them to continue to elect presidents like they used to. >> you bring up ukraine. how significant do you think it is that volodymyr zelenskyy joined that meeting with trump and emmanuel macron? >> well, i think the stakes are higher for zelenskyy than anybody else, right? for zelenskyy, these stakes are existential. the fate of his country depends upon europe, nato, and the united states especially, remaining committed to this fight. trump has been pretty skeptical of the war in ukraine, of continuing to fund the war. he said that he could end it in a day. that makes a lot of people nervous. it suggests that he's willing to give up ukrainian territory to russia to end that fight. zelenskyy will do everything he

can to join the charm offensive. and it might work. the one note of caution i'll make with all of this, trump is unpredictable. his views are unformed. people in europe are saying, let's all calm down and see what we see. >> it is interesting to see them all there. thank you so much. up next, why past might be prologue at the supreme court hearing on transgender health care bans. how one conservative justice could surprise everyone. ce could surprise everyone. it's from gillettelabs! this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. game changa! while the flexdisc contours to it, so the five blades can virtually get every hair in one stroke, for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. shopify's point of sale system helps you sell at every stage of your business. with fast and secure payment. card readers you can rely on. and one place to manage it

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the supreme court's conservative majority is signaling it may uphold a tennessee law banning transition-related care for minors. most of the republican-elected justices did not appear to be convinced that legislation in question constitutes a form of sex discrimination and questioned whether the court should second-guess the state's decision on a medical issue. >> a lot of categorical statements have been made this morning. an argument and in the briefs about medical questions that seem to me to be hotly disputed, and that is a bit distressing. >> my understanding is the constitution leaves that question to the people's

representatives, rather than to nine people, none of whom is a doctor. >> joining me now is kimberly, an msnbc news political analyst and a columnist for the "boston globe". thank you for being here. you call on more states to protect gender-affirming care. quote, if you don't think you and yours have skin in this particular game, think again. those are some strong words. talk to me about how you see this issue. >> yeah. i worry, after listening to the arguments, and i agree with your assessment, it looks like this ban on gender-affirming care for teens in tennessee will be upheld as well as 25 others like it by default. i recall when dobbs, the decision first came out overturning roe versus wade.

people didn't realize what the ripple effect would be. we saw doctors stopping ivf treatments because of the uncertainty that rule created. doctors refusing to even do some procedures that constitute reproductive health care if it could be seen as being an abortion and running afoul. we've seen women die because of that. what i worry about with this gender-affirming care, that laws could be pass that had could inadvertently harm not just transgender care for adolescents, which is important, but also hormonal and other treatments for everyone. whether they are trans or not. i worry about ongoing accessibility of hormone treatments used for everything from menopause all the way to cancer treatments. these aren't things i pulled out of thin air. attorneys for aclu and other

advocates have flagged this in briefs in this case as a potential peril of a ruling that allows states to unilaterally with their own legislatures decide health care terms instead of letting it be between the doctors and their patients. >> yeah. you were talking about who has the final say in someone's health care. you noted in your article that this isn't just about the decision itself but who should ultimately make these decisions. you used the outcome of the dobbs case when it had issues with the sort of, who was making the final decision on everything from ivf to maybe freezing eggs. how can the aftermath of this ruling foreshadow possibly what is to come if the court decides, the tennessee law is good. we're going to uphold it. >> yeah. and especially if other states pass more bans or states don't pass these sorts of shield laws that guarantee access to this type of care. you will see doctors being very

skittish about performing it. they may leave states where these bans are in place as we've seen happen after dobbs because they don't feel safe making the decisions they would normally make based on their own expertise and the desire and the needs of their patients so you can see these health care deserts develop. and most importantly, the research about, as justice alito was talking about the research on the impact of teens of having this care, this is a relatively new area. the research won't be allowed to develop to show that this is a safe and very rarely regretted procedure to go through. in fact, it is really important to do some of these things while someone is still an adolescent before they fully go through puberty. if they do it afterwards, it can actually lead to an outcome that is not as preferable.

and that can cause all kinds of psychological problems as well as increased discrimination from others. so you got to let this body of medicine develop and it can't do that if it is banned everywhere. >> it is definitely something we'll keep an eye on. and we'll keep our eye on justice gorsuch who was noticeably quiet during all of this. thank you for your analysis. in a few moments, new details about the killing of the unitedhealthcare ceo. lling of te unitedhealthcare ceo ♪ ♪ whether your phone's broken or old, we've got you. with verizon, anyone can trade in any phone, any condition. for a limited time, get iphone 16 pro with apple intelligence, on us. and, ipad and apple watch series 10, all three on us. that's up to $2,000 in value. only on verizon. this holiday season...

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