lindsay from the immigrant law center, she said to me the other day we had 30 lawyers under the first trump term, we have 200 ready to go right now. there are people on the front lines who are preparing for the type of deliberate cruelty, and again, that is me as a journalist saying this, it's not my opinion. the deliberate cruelty of the first trump administration. they are saying that it will come again, and if you are turning away you are not going to see it, you will not react to it in a way that will stop them from doing what they wanted to do the first time around. >> yeah, those of the things, people want to turn away, but they want to know how they can help. they can help by not turning away. jacob, thank you so much for spending this hour with us, and for bringing during these truly extraordinary times. we're grateful. good evening and welcome to

politics nation. tonight's lead sneak preview. >> inauguration day is six weeks away. we still have christmas and new years to get through. and yet, in many ways, donald trump is behaving as if his second term is already underway. the president-elect appeared on the world stage today attending the reopening of notre dame cathedral in france. while holding diplomatic meetings with the presidents of france and ukraine and u.k.'s prince william. in recent days trump has been vocal on foreign affairs talking about tariffs against canada and mexico and threatening retribution against hamas should they fail there have been a flurry of picks for his cabinet and

second selections that may have been made at an unprecedented speed. many of those choices are unlike anyone chosen to lead our country's major institutions ever before. we'll have all the latest on all of that ahead on politics nation. but first, we start with breaking news unfolding this weekend. a massive man hunt for the suspect who gunned down a health insurance ceo in broad daylight in new york city. just a few blocks from where i'm standing. let's get out to nbc's correspondent george solis for the latest on the search. what is the investigation focusing on now? >> reporter: yeah reverend al, good to be with you. new reporting from our own jonathan that the backpack recovered in central park was

found but what forts did not find was the gun belonging to the person of interest or the shooter in this case. however, authorities telling us they did find a jacket. what's unclear at this time is whether that was the jacket that was seen worn by that individual during the time of the shooting. sources said what they did find was some monopoly money. the nypd sources telling us they have officers in central park today right now searching that area. canvassing, seeing if they can find any more clues. they don't believe that person of interest is in new york city. they believe after the last known images of him at the bus terminal, they believe he may be out of the city. we know authorities are working multistate agencies tracking any kind of camera to find any information about this person of interest. you'll also remember that at this point, authorities have not identified this person of

interest. earlier today, mayor eric adams saying look, the net might be closing in. we want this individual not just off the streets of new york. but off the streets of america. if you see some names out there on social media, officials not coming forward with an official name of this person of interest. you'll have a number of agencies, federal agencies canvassing many areas, it is crucial from where the shooting happened in midtown manhattan to where that person was interest was staying and where they were in that central park area. we are learning that gun not found, but they are finding a jacket. we are finding some monopoly money. how all that ties into the investigation of course, they are looking for any type of clues that might give them a sense of where this

investigation has gone. you have an increased police presence. >> all right, thank you george solis for that report. texas congressman mark joins me now. thanks for being here tonight. >> : congressman, you sit on the armed services committee. i want to start with your take on the pete hegseth domination. donald trump says he is standing with him despite his drinking and personal misconduct. let's listen to what the president-elect told my colleague kristen welker in an interview you can watch tomorrow on meet the press. >> looks like pete is doing

well now. people were a little concerned. he is a young guy with a tremendous track record actually. went to princeton, went to harvard. but he loves the military. we'll be working on his nomination along with a lot of others. >> do you still have confidence in him? >> i do. he is a smart guy. i know him through fox but i have known him a long time. he is basically a military guy. every time i talk to him, all he wants to talk about the military. >> have you gotten assurances from senators he will be confirmed? do you think he can make it? >> no. i think he will, yeah, i have had a lot of senators call me up saying he is fantastic. >> you don't drink yourself. you have talked about how devastating drinking can be. how concerned are you that the person you picked for this top job at the defense department at least according to those who

have worked with him has struggled with drinking? >> i have spoken to people that know him very well and they say he does not have a drinking problem. >> what is your response congressman? >> well i don't know if he has a drinking problem or not. but he has a lot of issues that i think the american people are concerned about and i will start with the obvious one. that this woman said that he spiked her drink and sexually assaulted her. and there may not have been charges that were filed but he paid her off so she wouldn't say anything and that is problematic because he should have fought that if that wasn't true. not only that, hegseth is not qualified for this position whatsoever and it's amazing to talk about a party that talks about wokeness. this is the least qualified

person i can ever remember that was even nominated for the position. and, in addition to these women problem that he has let's not forget about the fact the fa too on his bicep has been identified with a lot of kkk and white supremacy and other groups. the tattoo. i want everybody to imagine for one second if the democratic nominee had a tattoo on them mostly linked to socialist groups. there is absolutely no way that person would be taken seriously. and that they would be disqualified immediately by all republican senators but their casual relationship with anti- semitism and racism and giving him a pass on these tattoos he has says a lot about where the republican party is today under donald trump. >> now, let me push you with that before i go to the next question. the tattoos some associated with kkk and other white

supremist groups, and he has never managed anything of large consequence and he would be over 3 million people, both staff and enlisted men in the armed services. three million he has to manage when he has never managed anything?. >> he has never managed anything. it was an insult when he questioned general brown, a chairman of the joint chiefs of staff when he questioned whether or not he was a dei pick. that man did not get four stars because he was not qualified for the position he currently holds. it is a slap in the face to every black service member. both present and no longer with us. men and women that died in wars around issues of slavery and the civil war. world war ii. we came back from europe and asia still under jim crow.

vietnam when black soldiers fought in southeast asia and came back to home to signs that say blacks eat in the rear. to question general brown's qualifications when this man has zero qualifications is an insult to everybody black that has ever served in uniform. i'm sure the morale of the black soldiers would be terrible. >> trump was in paris today for the reopening of notre dame cathedral. while there, he rubbed elbows with various dignitaries. most notably president macron and zelenskyy. some dc insiders are suggesting trump is behaving as if he is

the president already. stretching the norms of the transition period. one former senior white house official from trump's first term telling nbc news saying that he is quote already basically running things. we saw it on social media just this morning with trump calling for the u.s. to stay out of syria. is that appropriate? >> that is absolutely not appropriate. but it wasn't appropriate when he decided he wasn't going to leave office in 2020 and so this sort of behavior is something that we are very familiar with when it comes to trump. i want to know what he told macron and other leader about tariffs. they could have not only detrimental economic effects in europe but could hurt americans as well and cause a lot of super inflation here. and what did he say to

zelenskyy about his commitment to nato and freedom in europe? i can tell you, i serve on the helsinki commission as well. i go to europe twice a year and work with other parliament leaders in european countries and that is their number one question is if trump returned which he is now, what is he going to do in regard to these countries that are actually afraid of what is happening in ukraine right now in poland is on edge. all the baltic states are on edge. romania is on edge and other countries. is he going to let zelenskyy and ukraine go to russia or is he going to step up to the plate and honor nato's commitment and our commitment to freedom in europe. is he going to honor america's commitment to europe to maintain freedom there that we have since the end of world war

ii or is he going to continue to act like putin's puppet? i want to know if he addressed that concern. let me ask you this. recently sounding the alarm about how trump's mass deportations would disproportionately impact black communities. they are especially concerned about what will happen with the haitian community who trump and his allies have repeatedly denigrated during the campaign. as a congressman from a border state, what are your thoughts on the situation? >> oh if he goes through with those massive deportations especially in my own state of texas he will cripple the agriculture economy in texas and this country. the oil and gas economy. the hospitality, the construction will see massive

surges in home prices. i really think that a lot of this is chest pounding but i'm worried he will be very selective and pick on haitian communities and pound his chest and act like a tough guy. remember many people here in the haitian community are here legally. the haitian community that was focused on in springfield, those are communities that are here legally. they are working hard and that needs to be respected and he needs to make that commitment to the black caucus and the rest of america that people here working lawfully won't be bothered but i'm concerned about the threats of mass deportation because i can tell you that not only would it be devastating to these families but all of us would pay the price, particularly in border

states that whether you like it or not, these people are a very instrumental part of our economy. and without them, it would cause economic calamity. >> i'm out of time. but i want to talk to you about the big picture. you were named vice chair of the new democrat coalition committed to breaking partisan gridlock in congress. given the signals sent by president-elect trump and his republican allies in congress right now, do you think compromise is even possible or desirable in the next perm and what would be the possible issues where the two parties could come to an agreement? we're out of time, but answer that for me briefly. >> the first big one relate to what we are doing now. the affordable connectivity program. that is a program that was passed when we pass the

bipartisan infrastructure bill and it has connected a lot of individuals and districts like mine and fall fort. we have had more people in rule republican districts sign up and you have low income families getting broad band in their home for the first time. if they want to work with us on things like that, absolutely we want to sit at the table. but it will be the same bs as first time he was president where there was a lot of posturing and not a lot getting done, i pray for the american people because it will be a long four years if we are going to see just more of his nonsense. >> all right, thank you for

being with us. from the house, let's go to the senate. joining me now is minnesota senator tina smith, a democrat. senator smith, you have had some extra company on capitol hill this week. pete hegseth has spent time trying to convince your colleagues he won't drink on the job as trump's secretary of defense. you have already told minnesota public radio you would give all of trump cabinet members picks a fair hearing no matter how concerning. how would you address hegseth's treatment of women? not only the sexual assault allegations against him but also his views on the role of women in the military? >> thank you reverend sharpton. i'm so glad to be with you. my job as a senator as described in the constitution is to make a determination about whether these nominees are fit to do these jobs. whether they are going to uphold the law, whether they are going to follow the constitution and whether they have the capability of serving in these roles and the

department of defense job is hugely important so i have massive concerns about pete hegseth certainly the endless stream of stories about hi to stand up and the allegations of him assaulting women are deeply concerning but at the end of the day, this will be up to my republican colleagues. do they stand up for the men and women who serve our country? or do they follow the whims of this president-elect? there are a lot of women who have served our country in minnesota who served in combat and i'm thinking about them and how they would feel to have the next secretary of defense who feels people don't deserve to have the opportunity to serve.

>> senator, the fbi has approval from the trump ran cigs team transition team to do background checks. others including rfk jr. , tulsi gabbard and pam bondi. how conspiracily should democrats resist these? should they go after the ones with baggage or focus on the few of the most concerning picks? >> i do believe that we need to look at all of these and identify. it is the wrong approach to automatically oppose every single one of them. each one has to stand or fall based on their wallifications

to serve. so having this background check is extremely important. it tells us what has happened in these individuals' lives as the potential they could be blackmailed in some way. is there something in their life experiences, what in their life experiences tell us whether or not they would be able to do these jobs? it is extremely important. you mentioned tulsi gabbard, nominated for the director of intelligence charged with making sure americans are safe at home. i think it is very important that there is a confidential hearing of that nomination by the members of the intelligence committee so we can really get at what issues there are that might be concerning. >> president biden is back in the united states after his africa trip reportedly

considering preemptive dons for lawmakers and officials. though they have not so far as to make a list, some of the names considered included former congresswoman liz cheney or dr. anthony fauci. do you think this is a good idea? >> the president has an awesome power in being able to provide pardons or clemency and i don't envy him having that decision. if it were me, i would be wrestling with how this next president would use, would weaponnize the justice department to go after these individuals in an unfair way and i also want to just note that i think to the extent that president biden is considering for example commuting the death sentences of folks that are on

death row or is looking at going at providing clemency for folks incarcerated for non- violent drug crimes. i'm glad to know he might be looking at those things especially when we know that the unfairness of some of these convictions especially for black and brown people in our country is just so obvious. i'm glad he islooking at those things. >> some who have gone onto serve the community. certainly i hope the president, i have named some names and we certainly hope people are given that utmost consideration. you have been an outspoken

advocate for reproductive rights. i want to ask you about a story out of missouri this week where republican lawmakers are trying to roll back the abortion protections that the citizens voted to enshrine in the constitution last month. isn't this exactly why the issue shouldn't be left to the states as trump has suggested? and what can be done at the senate level to try and make sure the will of the people is being respected on this issue? >> this is blatant hypocrisy. trump's supreme court said these decisions should be left to the state. in missouri, the voters spoke. they said they wanted to make sure to preserve women's ability to make their own decisions about health care. then come these republican legislators trying to take that away. i believe there is a strong movement in the national

republican party to ban abortion and we should be very concerned about what will happen in a trump administration to do that without any act of congress. and the reality is republicans now control the united states senate. at the end of the day it will be up to the republicans as to whether or not they stand up to the pushes to ban abortion or go along with it. >> minnesota, u.s. senator tina smith, thank you for being with us. coming up, while president biden makes a visit to africa, we should all rise up to make sure the next commander-in- chief doesn't leave the continent behind. and beginning today, you can listen to every episode of politics nation as a podcast for free. scan the qr code on your screen to listen on the go wherefore you get your podcasts and for

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this week, president biden made history as the first u.s. head of state to visit the southern african nation of angola. tuesday, biden visited the national museum of slavery. africans were forcibly converted to christianity before being loaded onto ships as captives. president biden referred to slavery as america's original sin. it is believed that the first enslaved people to arrive in the 13 british colonies were from angola. in addition to acknowledging

the past, president biden's visit was focused on the future. he announced $600 billion with a b in new financing for massive rail and infrastructure projects that will better link together angola with neighboring countries. enabling all of them to better compete in the global marketplace. >> i want to be clear about something. all these projects investments are designed to have high impact. and meet the highest standards for workers for the environment for the communities. because the united states understands how we invest in africa is just as important as how we invest in africa. >> i applaud president biden's

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welcome become to politics nation. the trump transition is in full swing with the president-elect filling out his team quicker than any other administration in recent memory. so fast in fact that a few selections have already gone down in flames. let's bring in my political panel. michelle goldberg. an msnbc political analyst. and matthew dowd, an msnbc senior political contributor and analyst. he served as chief strategist for the bush cheney campaign in 2004. michelle, let me go to you first. many americans haven't even got all their holiday decorations out and some of trump's picks have come and gone including his first pick for attorney general matt gaetz and choice for head of the dea withdrew. now pete hegseth is facing

pushback in the senate as choice for defense secretary. are trump's controversial elections foreshadowing for trouble for the incoming administration or a deliberate strategy to shock and all with confrontational nominees? >> they are a sign of trouble for the country. and i think that both of your theories are true. on the one hand, this shows the chaotic and spontaneous and sometimes contradictory nature of the trump administration which will be familiar to anyone who lived through the previous one. and at the same time, trump's one superpower is to unleash so many scandals to break so many

norms, so wear down people's capacity for shock. so what we see with pete hegseth is this is a nominee who should be wildly unacceptable not just to democrats but to anybody who cares about national security. this is somebody who there has been many, he has run two charities into the ground. paid off someone who accused him of rape. that he will stop drinking if he becomes defense secretary which is just kind of wild. not i'm in recovery. i have gotten over that. i will get over that if you put me in charge of the most powerful military in the world. and yet, donald trump seems to have doubled down on his support for him. maybe partly because he is just committed to trying to shove this guy through. but also because it provides a degree of cover for other

really outrageous nominations like rfk jr. >> are they meant to be jarring? >> i think everything donald trump does is meant to be jarring. i think he loves the conversation in all respects. he likes people talking about him. he likes people talking about the people he put out there but i don't think he thinks i will standby this person until the bitter end. i'll create the circus, throw things around. if people boo the clown, i will put on somebody else. the first thing most important to donald trump is how much are people talking about him. and how much can he upset people that are against him and his picks are doing both. we are talking about it and the outrageousness for many of the picks including pete hegseth which to me is not only a

completely character flawed pick that any other senate would laugh it out of the door but it is a competency flawed pick. because hasn't shown any capability the entirety of his life that he can manage 3 million people and an organization that is the largest governmental organization in the world. if you separate it out. so i think this is what he does. i think pete hegseth had a sell by date on him since the beginning and donald trump is aware of that. but i think he enjoys the controversy. >> this week, jerry nadler announced he is stepping down as the top democrat on the judiciary committee. he has endorsed jamie raskin to take his place. this while another well known

new york representative, alexandria ocasio-cortez says she is running to be the ranking member on the house oversight committee. another powerful position on the hill. are we seeing a new generation of democrats stepping up in the house to promote change or do you see this as a good thing? >> i definitely see it as a good thing. i think very highly of jerry nadler but the democratic party has a real gerintocracy problem. it could be the problem that cost us the election. you have seen some moves to address that. you saw nancy pelosi stepping aside. the democratic party which had counted on the youth vote and we learned they can't take that vote for granted. need to have younger faces. not just younger faces but

people who know how to really aggressively question this administration and highlight some of the outrageous things they are planning to do to us in a way that captures people's attention and plays not just on cable news but social media and other places where younger people get their information from. >> matthew, on the republican side, mitt romney gave his farewell speech to the senate this week calling for more bipartisanship. take a listen. >> politics alone cannot measure up to the challenges we face. our country's character is a reflection not just of its elected officials but also of its people. i leave washington to return to be one among them and hope to be a voice of unity and virtue. >> mitt romney has some heroic

moments like his vote to convict trump in the second impeachment but it also included a lot of appeasement of maga over the years which didn't even win him much support among republicans. do you think his brand of moderate bipartisanship has a future in washington? >> the only future it seems to have is among the democratic party. his party has no interest in it. you can look at every poll among the republican public and republicans would rather have somebody that fights against consensus than a person that is willing to compromise and get things done. i think mitt romney figured that out. he couldn't get the nomination today. and he knows that. to me it is not a question of bipartisanship that is the problem. it is a question of decency and

adherence to the truth and i don't mine republicans, democrats, disputes on conservative policies, liberal policies or whatever happens to be. but i think what is missing is a consensus that decency matters and the facts matter. if we dropped all the other labels that is how we solve the problem. but we have a legacy party holding the levers of power. who doesn't seem to have any interest in decency and no interest in the facts. >> all right, thank you political analyst michelle goldberg and matthew dowd. coming up, online retailer amazon stands accused of delaying deliveries in two of washington dc's blackest neighborhoods. we'll break down the details of the case with the head of the

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welcome back to politics nation. civil rights groups are gearing up for a struggle in the second trump term. many of the president-elect's picks for his cabinet and other key positions suggest he intends to follow through on the project 2025 agenda. which targets legal protections

based on race, gender, sexuality, and more. with me to discuss this is jenee nelson, the president of the naacp legal defense fund and education fund. now thank you for being with us and thank you for working with us. with our colleagues in the civil rights community. how is the legal defense fund preparing for these legal battles and what issues are you most concerned about? >> we are preparing for the legal battles ahead by extracting every possible protection from the current administration. there are still some weeks left and the biden administration has some powerful work and necessary work to do around a number of issues. that involves anything from data preservation to making sure president biden uses his

party and clemenscy powers equitably and that the 20,000 people incarcerated under sentences that are unfair or on death row or any number of ways in which we know our justice system is failing the community that's we care about and president biden has the power to do it. once we get into the second administration, we will continue the work in the first administration. which is to supplement the enforcement of civil rights laws. this doj especially if it is led by pam bondi will not protect black communities or other vulnerable populations and not enforce our nation's civil rights laws. and so that will be left on civil society to deal with. we were made for these

particular moments when we need to have a strong civil society enforcement mack anymore and that is what the legal defense fund has done the last 80 years. >> let me ask you about this, then. since the election, some democrats have claimed identity politics and so-called wokenesses undermining the party. especially with working class voters of all types. isn't the struggle to protect the most vulnerable americans vital in preserving the freedoms of all of us? >> absolutely. when we think civil rights and what this country is, it is one that has created opportunity for everyone. when we fight on behalf of rights of black communities who

have been historically discriminated against and we remove barriers to opportunity and we advance access, that is access not just granted for black people but everyone. we know that for example when people walk away from diversity, equity and inclusion, basic principles that strengthen a democracy and ensure that everyone has an opportunity to thrive, we know that when we deny people those opportunities and we walk away from those principles, we weaken the country. we weaken our economy. we weaken ourselves politically. and we can't afford to do that. not a this moment when there are so many threats globally and the u.s. needs to be as strong as possible. the racism and white nationalism in this country is compromising the greatest strength that we possess. >> i want to get to this case. the district of columbia is

suing amazon claiming it is not providing its fastest delivery service to two predominantly black neighborhoods supposedly for safety reasons but still charge customers in the area for prime memberships. nearly half of the population in the area uses prime. probably because they live in food and retail deserts and have few other options. how do you see this case playing out? >> what amazon is doing to resident ins dc is absolutely disgraceful. a dollar in anacastia has the same value as a dollar in capitol hill. this is zip code discrimination. and amazon ought to be deeply ashamed. black residents are paying for a service and not receiving it.

i can't think of something more egregious and more extractive than what amazon is doing. and we should all take note. this is not a practice we should support and i hope that the lawsuit is is successful and there is remuneration for those companies that have been so deeply discriminated against. >> jenee nelson, always good to talk with you and work with you. thank you for being with us. up next, a deadlocked jury and charges dismissed but the fight for justice continues. gh.

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yesterday we learned that a judge in new york has dismissed the most serious charge. against daniel penny. a former u.s. marine on trial

for the death of jordan nealy. a homeless man who was restrained on a new york city subway car. after jurors were unable to agree on the charges of manslaughter in the second degree, the judge said the jury could proceed to considering a lesser count of criminally negligent homicide. here are my thoughts on the topic. i did the eulogy at the funeral of jordan and i supported his family this morning at our weekly saturday rally. his uncle christopher was there with family members of other victims. the mother of eric gardner. this is a case not nearly on the train, but the criminal conduct of this man that led to

his death by putting him in a choke hold. if there is no accountability, are we now seeing that it is legal to citizens to take matters in their hone hand even if it leads to death? that is a danger to everyone. and i think that at the concentration on jordan nealy saying he misbehaved on the subway does not answer the question on whether daniel penny becomes the one that legalizes us having civilians. that does it for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for another live hour of politics nation. the saturday show with jonathan capehart starts right now. capehart starts right now. presidential picks and pardons as president-elect donald trump