i will keep you posted on the book tour and events across the country. that will do it for me. thanks for watching. tune in tomorrow to the sunday show when new jersey senator elect andy kim joins me to discuss the new congress, and his thoughts on trump office cabinet picks. i will also speak to outgoing dnc chair, jaime harrison about the future of the dnc party. that is tomorrow on msnbc.listen to every episode of this show as a podcast for free. to do so scan the qr code and for ad-free listening to this and other podcasts subscribe to msnbc premium on apple podcasts. keep it here. . good evening, tonight, we

are talking about that. plus a person of interest still on the run for the murder of united health care ceo. we'll have the very latest for you on that. plus, amnesty international says israel is committing genocide. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's do this. >> i know the best people. i know the best managers. i know the best deal makers. i know people that will make us so strong. i know guys that are so good. >> that was then presidential candidate donald trump back in 2015 boasting that he would only hire the best people as president. now he is facing tremendous fall-out over his pick to lead

the pentagon. former fox news host pete hegseth. he is bogged down by scandal after scandal. this week, a new bomb shell report from the new yorker alleged that he was forced to step down from two veteran non- profit groups. veterans for freedom and concerned veterans for america. amid accusations from a whistle blower, sexual impropriety and other disqualifying behavior around hegseth who was married at the time and other sexually pursued the staff everies. they divided into two groups, the party girls and the nonparty girls and under hegseth's leadership, veterans for freedom ran up enormous debt indicating by the end of

2008, it was unable to pay its creditors. nbc news has not seen the whistle blower report or the letter of complaint cited by the new yorker. after a request for comment, hegseth's lawyer referred nbc news to a statement it provided to the new york times in which an unidentified hegseth adviser called the claims outlandish. now, hegseth's behavior at fox news has also come under scrutiny. then current and former employees said he drank in ways that concerned his colleagues. two of those employees said on more than a dozen occasions during hegseth's time as cohost on fox and friends weekend, they smelled alcohol on him before he went on the air. spokesperson for the trump transition team called the allegations unfounded and false. fox news did not respond to requests for comment but said he does not have a drinking

problem. this could put his nomination in jeopardy even among republicans. here is what senator ernst of iowa said about him to my colleague courtney cubie. >> so i'm excited to have the opportunity to sit down with him again. but there will be a very thorough vetting before he moves forward. so look forward to seeing him in front of the committee as well and i know he will be there and have to answer some very tough questions. >> of course trump is still standing by hegseth, posting on truth social pete is a winner and there is nothing that can be done to change that. hegseth isn't the only trump pick in pearl. there is also the matter of tulsi gabbard. she has sparked bipartisan concern due to her foreign policy views. they were concerned gabbard would leak information on a

syrian defector to someone associated with bashar's government. gabbard's friendly rhetoric toward russia has set off alarm bells for her own stay. three former aides said she read and shared articles from the russian news site rt formerly known as russian today. which they characterized in 2013 as the kremlin's principal international propaganda out let. the trump transition team dismissed the report as false. they have prompted a group of nearly 100 former security officials to urge the senate to carefully scrutinize. patel made no secret of his desire to go after trump's political enemies.

but he has reportedly gotten a lukewarm reception with senate republicans with several who have not yet committed to voting yes on him. this all comes as you know, trump's pick for attorney general former far right congressman matt gaetz was forced to withdraw from consideration a few weeks ago. they got the best outcome they could have possibly asked for flipping the u.s. senate, securing the white house and holding onto the house, and yet the president-elect's picks are so divisive that he cannot even get members of his own party to commit to voting for them. joining me now is democratic congressman robert garcia of california. great to have you here in person and see you. let me get your reaction to all of this plague out with the president-elect's nominations. and the defense secretary. i want to play some of his interewe with kristen welker that will air tomorrow on meet the press. here is what he had to say

about the nominee. >> looks like pete is doing well now. i mean, people were a little bit concerned. he is a young guy with a tremendous track record actually. went to princeton and harvard. he was a good student at both. but he loves the military and i think people are starting to see it. so we'll be working on his nomination along with a lot of others. >> do you still have confidence in pete hegseth? >> i do. he is a really smart guy. i have known him through fox but i have known him for a long time. and he is basically a military guy. >> have you gotten assurances from senators he will be confirmed? do you think he can make it? >> no. no. i think he will, yeah. i have had a lot of senators call me up saying he is fantastic. >> you don't drink yourself, you have talked about how

devastating drinking can be. how concerned are you that the person you picked for this top job at the defense department at least according to those who worked with him has struggled with drinking? >> i have spoken to people who know him very well and they say he does not have a drinking problem. >> your thoughts on that whole exchange? first of all, do you share his confidence that pete hegseth will get confirmed by the senate? also bust the way he is talking about the fact he has spoken to people who know him who say he doesn't have a drinking problem. why don't you talk to him yourself and find out? >> i didn't get a lot of confidence out of donald trump there. i think first of all it is clear, i am not convinced he will make it to the confirmation process. the email from the mother. donald trump is not vetting people. the very basics for confirmation going through the fbi check for all the basics

for nominees. he is unqualified to lead the government's largest department, the defense department. tulsi gabbard, crazy pick. rfk. these guys have no business in government and were probably put there to destroy our agencies. >> speaking of how republicans are responding to this, i will get your thoughts to people like chip roy. he has called them indiscretions. and this is what mike johnson had to say about hegseth on fox. >> seems like the momentum is moving the right way. we have all made mistakes but we believe in redemption. >> we all believe in redemption. interesting time to have redemption when you are asked to lead an agency with 3 million people under your leadership. a trillion dollar budget. making decisions about sending men and women into harm's way. >> we are talking war and peace. the largest department in the

federal government. he has no experience running anything. he has been a fox news commenter which is fine but to pluck him out of all of this baggage is so irresponsible. i hope he does not make the confirmation and if he does, they should not confirm it. he is not, he has no qualifications with the job. >> what does it say about the way it is being run? it is like game of thrones in there right now we are hearing. as you expect in any kind of new incoming administration, you have donald trump jr. and eric trump basically competing for power with the chief of staff susie wiles. and this is according to a source nbc news said like game of thrones over there. don jr. is trying to do things at times. susie will have a meeting and

don jr. will say something else. what do you make of this? >> don't forget elon musk. flying around following donald trump wherever he goes. he followed him to paris. so i think this is pretty clear that donald trump will have a reckless presidency. the fact he is handing over elon musk the keys to the federal government to destroy our institutions with a fake department he is creating out of nowhere shows how irresponsible he is with the seriousness of the moment. he is not focused on helping people, but taking away things they depend on. things he and folks like elon musk and their billionaire friends are trying to roll back. we have to fight back against trump and these new billionaires in charge of the government. >> let me ask you about how dough do fight back. republicanshave control of the

senate, the white house, congress. what is it ordinary americans can do when they see these institutions come under threat? >> what you don't know is pledge to work with them. this idea we will work we listen musk and donald trump in some sort of bipartisanship, their idea of working with democrats is steam rolling any progress we have made. so i think and a lot of members believe we have to be in the fight. we have to fight every single day. the last congress we were in the minority. we pushed back against a lot of terrible ideas so those of us especially like myself and others in the oversight committee. we have to investigate the republicans. investigate, make sure elon musk is not taking away people's hard earned benefits and we have to be tough. this is a moment we have to fight like hell for our rights

and essentially for the government that provides people with so many important services. >> it will be a long four years. thanks. right now, breaking news overseas out of syria. we are daying into a surprising insurgency by rebels. just hours ago, a rebel leader said that the key city had been quote liberated. with me now, courtney cubie. it is good the speak to you. give us a sense of what the security establishment right now in the u.s. is assessing taking place in syria. >> that's the big question here. what we know so far, this rebel group has taken three of syria's five largest cities. now, with the acknowledgment that they have taken homes and

why that is so important is because that puts them essentially on a direct path to damascus, and that is what u.s. officials are telling us they are concerned is going to happen. the belief is that this rebel group could in fact take damascus relatively soon. now hts is an affiliate that used to be part of a terror network throughout that region. it is a u.s. foreign terror organization designated by the united states. and the director of national intelligence says hts has a goal of toppling the assad regime and installing a religious islamic rule or law. that is their goal. essentially putting in sharia law in syria. we heard from a number. i'm here at the reagan national defense former in california. we have heard from a number of u.s. officials about this today

including national security adviser jake sullivan. he said that it is too early necessarily to say exactly what is going to happen here. but he did reassure the audience that the troops there in syria, they are taking all precautions to ensure they are safe. and their priorities are to ensure that isis which is u.s. military is continuing to combat, does not resurge in the area and the border between syria and iraq remains safe. we don't have details about how the democratic forces will be able to accomplish that. but those are the big priorities. >> a lightning quick offensive has caught not just the syrian government. thank you so much. we'll be in touch with you as

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it has been four days since the murder of the united health care ceo brian thompson with authorities on the run. they are expanding their search beyond new york city. nbc news correspondent george solis joins us live with the latest. tell us if you can, the latest developments. >> it is unclear if a jacket they found belonged to the person of interest in the center of this investigation. they also found something pretty cryptic at this point to determine. it was monopoly money. whether that is some type of message from this individual remains to be seen. authorities of course try to

track down this individual. we heard from the nypd they do believe this person of interest is no longer in the new york area. earlier today, mayor eric adams said the net is tightening but they are hopeing to get this individual off the streets of new york if in fact that individual may still be here. this investigation seems to take a turn now to atlanta. that is where the bus that this individual may have taken originated from. and where they think this individual perhaps may have gone. a lot of that was centering on that backpack.

they are hoping to get some information from the cell phone that was recovered hoping it leads to some type of location where this person of interest is. this case obviously drawing a lot of attention. authorities hoping that anyone with information comes forward. jacob has been tracking the years long impact of trump's family separation policy. next up, i'll be speaking with him in the director of the film separated. separated. my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis held me back. but now with skyrizi, i'm all in. thanks to skyrizi, i saw dramatically clearer skin. and many even achieved 100% clear skin. don't use if allergic. serious allergic reactions, increased infections, or lowered ability to fight them may occur. before treatment, get checked for infections and tb. tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms, or vaccines. with skyrizi, nothing on my skin means everything.

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returned to home country. >> these are state created orphans. >> that was a look at the new documentary separated that premier to night it was based on the best selling book and traces the trump administration's highly controversial family separation policy and its continued impact on families to this day. six years after donald trump caved to public backlash and signed an executive order to stop family separations, more than 1,000 children have yet to be reunited with their parents. joining me now, nbc news correspondent jacob soborov and the film's director earl morrison. it is great to have you both with us. you have said these children yet to be reunited are

effectively permanent government created orphan as we just heard. part of the reason it is so hard for the government to reunite these families with the biden administration's task force dedicated, there was no recordkeeping. when these separations were happening under trump. >> what i learned in working with the great earl morris in making this film is when adam coined the phrase cruelty is the point at the height of the policy, i think there were questions about well, octavely is it really cruel. how do you say as a journalist it was deliberately cruel? these families are still separated and can't be put back together. how do you know they were really trying to be cruel? watch the film. look at the emails on the screen from officials inside the room. listen to officials who were

there. interviewed by morris the way only he can. he created a film that has gone so far beyond what i ever could have done reporting on our air or writing a book about this to dive deeper than anybody can wrap their head around. i'm so proud of nbc and msnbc. >> to humanize the toll of this policy? >> jacob pointed out something to me. that there is no record

journalistic record, graphic journalistic record of separations. the government didn't allow it. when he was specifically told no cameras here. you have to go in with a pat of paper or a small spiral notebook and that will be in. so to illustrate actually what these policies really meant, what they amounted to, it is necessary to have a whole diverse number of things. in the depths of the white house administration. we are talking about a deep look in how these policies were

enacted. >> we are mere weeks away from inauguration day. one of those options could include expanding temporary protected status. could that be an effective measure? >> it could very well be ended by the trump administration immediately when they come into office. and i think one of the things we really should underscore here, the families separated by the administration the first time around. none of them virtually none of them have permanent legal status in the country. in a program called torture

could very well be deport. one thing that could stop it is what you will see in the movie tonight. i had forgotten though i was there, it was really the public. the public stood up in a way i had never seen in my lifetime in the summer of 18. hundreds of thousands of people in the street propelled by career civil servants in the government who did everything they could to stop this policy. it wasn't a bipartisan condemnation. it was a universal condemnation. the pope spoke out. and people around the world forced donald trump into on june 20, 2018 signing an executive order to reverse the same policy he himself and his homeland security secretary put into place. so what could stop this? the people could stop it. while this is a tough subject, it's a tough story to remember. it is also in a way a very hopeful one.

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on thursday, amnesty international released a 297 page study titled you feel like you are subhuman. israel's genocide against palestinians in gaza. the keyword here is genocide. in the 14 months since the israeli officials declared that

no food, water, electricianty or fuel would be allowed into the gaza strip, a remark made two months after hamas' october 7th attack on israel, that charge of genocide has been made against and fiercely denied by israel and its supporters including the united states. back in january, the international court of justice rules it was plausible that israel was committing genocide in gaza and it must do anything in its power to prevent genocide against palestinians. the international criminal court issued arrest warrants for benjamin netanyahu and his former defense min stir for war crimes marking the first time the icc has done so against a western ally of the united states. one of the legal scholars who advocated for these war crimes charges against israeli leaders was a man who oversaw the world's first genocide trial, who was once an israeli

diplomat and was a survivor of the nazi genocide of jews. they told me what israel was doing in gaza was a genocide. they are part of a growing list of genocide scholars and international law experts use tag word to describe what israel is doing. other groups like human rights have meticulously documented its alleged war crimes, using starvation as a weapon of war. committing torture and sodomy in israeli prisons and other charges. one thing these reports and court rulings have in common is that they use the words of israeli leaders. such as the declaration about food and water kept out of gaza

as evidence of israel's intentions. in other words, the charges made against israel are for crimes they told the world they were about to commit. but that's not all. amnesty international have the most impeccable sources proving israel is committing war crimes. israeli soldiers bragging about it on social media. amnesty international analyzed 62 videos and photographs posted online showing israeli soldiers in which they made calls for the destruction of gaza and denial of essential services of the people. the destruction of homes, mosques, schools, and universities. it continued, 31 called for the erasure of gaza or used other

similar rhetoric. this highlights not only systemic immunity but also the creation of an environment that emboldens if not rewards such behavior. after amnesty international's report was released, they said they once again produced a fabricated report that is based on lies but this add to a growing consensus about what has happened in gaza. when people say that this is the first live stream genocide in history, it is not just palestinians filming their own destruction for the world to witness but the israeli soldiers themselves. a year of israeli soldiers videos from gaza. it featured even more evidence of unrepentant israeli soldiers

gleefully destroying the homes of private citizens and admitting there is no military purpose for what they are actually doing. one soldier told the post i took these videos to raise the morale of the people at home and i don't regret it for a moment. the post reported on a sick genre of images that has become too common in the past 40 months. israeli soldiers playing with palestinian women's underwear. they told nbc news they have taken action and will continue acting to identify misconduct that does not align with the expected morals and values of idf soldiers. here is a photo from this spring with an israeli soldier at a palestinian university library setting books on fire. regarding this image, the israeli military released a statement saying this was not consistent with their values and they would be opening an investigation. here is a video of soldiers destroying children's toys an laughing at a palestinian shop in northern gaza late last

year. regarding this video. the idf told nbc news that the behavior of the soldier is inappropriate. the case will be reviewed and handled accordingly. a day after the american election, this video began circulating online of an israeli soldier appearing to fire his gun indiscriminantly adding his commentary on the election results. >> this is an occasion of donald trump's presidency. god bless america, god bless israel! woo! [ laughter ] >> once again, the israeli military told nbc news the soldiers' actions are severe and do not align with the values and orders of the idf. the soldier will be disciplined by his commanders. weeks after this soldier's celebration of trump's victory and despite the arrest warrants for israel's leaders, despite the charges of using starvation as a weapon of war and women and children making up nearly

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i spoke with amnesty international's secretary general. >> i want to start with perhaps one of the most important points of this report. and is the question of intent. which centers on the stated intent. and the nature of genocide. what this critique gets to is that israel denies the intent that amnesty international and others say is genocide. israel claims it has two legitimate military goals. fighting to eliminate hamas and free its hostages. if they have those as their stated goals, their stated intent, how did you amnesty international get to the conclusion that they are committing a genocide? >> thank you very much, it is important to insist on the fact

that military objectives does not negate other intent. including genocide intent. we would expect the party to the conflict to have military octave including to get rid of hamas. what we have done is looked at the evidence, collected over 12 months. and determined whether that evidence of crimes would be explained by military objective and it is impossible to reach the conclusion that those act repeated acts can be explained by the presence of hamas. a large number of repeated acts that point to another

intention. not to military intention. to the repeated attacks against civilians and civilians without any military octaves and necessity. we have investigated 15 of such attacks. we have investigated as have others the repeated use of very large weapons which in such an urban setting are bound to result into the greatest number of casualties. we have pointed out as have others the fact those weapons are used at times where they can have the greatest number of casualties. that is at night. we have shown the vast majority of farming land has been razed and the vast number of bakeries have been destroyed. there is no water left in gaza

right now. people cannot drink. people cannot eat. there is only humanitarian add. we have shown the destruction of hospitals. that people cannot get cures for diseases. doctors cannot practice. surgeons cannot operate. because there is nothing. you know. that and many more evidence points to the fact. if it was only one time, if it was only one attack against a civilian you could say it is an accident but when the attacks are happening over 14 months, if it only one piece of land that had been destroyed you could say okay. but when the entire farmlands have been destroyed that cannot

be reckless anymore. so all of these. repeated time and time again can point to only one intent. which is that of destroying the palestinian in gaza in whole or in part. >> let me ask you about the united states in this for a moment. as you are suggesting in your report, israel is committing genocide. does the united states bear any responsibility in your assessment for that genocide? is this united states effectively complicit because it continues to arm the israeli military? >> complicity under international law is very high and we have not yet made that determination. but what is very clear is that the united states is confronting the serious risk of being complicit in the crime of genocide. particularly through the

repeated sell of weapons, military equipment to israel. some of which used to target civilians to the risk of being complies it is is extremely high. the united states has shielded israel, prevented the security council from being able to act. so that, too, is another element pointing to the risk of complicity. whether or not what the u.s. has done meet it is threshold of complicity under international law, it is very clear that the united states has failed in its obligation to prevent genocide. it has already failed in its obligation to prevent genocide. >> let me ask you about how

this report has been received. about russia's crackdown of dissent. the use of torture in syria. is there a double standard in how these reports are used and cited by western countries when the reports are critical of countries like russia, iran, and syria and this report about israel committing genocide in gaza? >> yeah. is the sky in the summer blue. yes. of course. there are lots of double standards in the response of western countries to our report including our reports on israel genocide in gaza. lots of double standards in the way western countries responded to the international criminal court. and the warrant against prime minister netanyahu going as far as threatening the prosecutor

and the international criminal court of sanctions. something extremely grave. extremely grave. the international criminal court and the international court of justice are some of the only institutions left to keep the rule working because the security council is ineffective now and for the united states to attack those institutions, the united states is a very architect. how can they go after the international criminal court that currently holding that system in place? so double standards everywhere indeed. >> all right, agnes, secretary general of amnesty international. thank you so much for your time and insights tonight. >> thank you very much for having me. and you can watch my full

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