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good afternoon from msnbc world headquarters in new york. we begin this hour with the breaking news from syria. moments ago we heard from president biden warning about the uncertainty after the fall of the assad regime. we will have more on that in a moment. new celebrations on the streets of after syrian president assad fled. new video from the syrian refug there celebrating after rebel forces seized control of damascus following nearly 13 years of brutal civil war. more than 50 years of assad

rule since his father seized power. russian state media is reporting assad arrived in moscow with his family and is being granted asylum there. nbc news has not independently confirmed those facts. skynews is reporting syria's prime minister stayed in damascus and offered a peaceful transition of power. he was taken by rebels to a five star hotel where he made this statement. >> translator: a normal country. a country that builds good relations with its neighbors and the world. we will leave this matter to any new leadership that will be chosen by the syrian people. >> we have a number of reporters ready to go. let's go first to london, to nbc's meagan fitzgerald. if the reports coming out of russian state media are true, is it a surprise assad ended up in russia? people were saying belarus, doha. what more are we learning about

how he got there and why he is there? >> reporter: look, russia has supported assad and his regime throughout the war. it isn't a surprise that assad and his family fled there. we are hearing from assad's prime minister who said while he wasn't aware where assad went, he said he is prepared to transfer power. as far as this offensive is concerned, it took everybody by surprise. it was this lightning fast offensive which kicked off less than two weeks ago when the rebels captured aleppo. it accelerated over the last 48 hours. last night, rebels took over the largest province, seizing control of the syrian/lebanese border and cutting off the road between damascus and the syrian coast which significantly weakened the assad regime. hours later, these rebels said they are in control of damascus and the country. the group says they freed prisoners from assad's prisons,

which by the way, amnesty international called them human slaughterhouses. right now, we are seeing people rejoicing in the streets, celebrating the fall of this assad regime that has been in power for more than 50 years. the big question here is what's next? how will the country be governed moving forward? the group has recently said that the syrian people don't need to fear them. they will respect minority groups. for the syrian people right now, this is also a moment of great uncertainty. >> we will wait and see. we want to go ali rafa at the white house who has new reaction from president biden. we heard him attribute this fall of the regime to a couple things. to u.s. efforts, us .s. sanctio. what more stood out for you?

>> reporter: he in some ways took somewhat credit for this being able to happen. these main backers of syria being weakened in recent years to be able to allow this window of opportunity for the syrian rebel groups to do what they have now done. i thought it was notable the president struck this hopeful but notably not downright supportive tone during these remarks. he talked about more of the opportunity that he said that syrians now have to forge their own future. listen to his remarks. >> at long last the assad regime has fallen. this regime brutalized and tortured and killed literally hundreds of thousands of innocent syrians. it's an act of justice. it's a moment of historic opportunity for the people of syria. it's a moment of risk and uncertainty. as we all turn to the question of what comes next, the united

states will work with our partners and the stakeholders in syria to help them seize an opportunity to manage the risks. >> reporter: the president acknowledging that he and other u.s. officials are what he says clear-eyed because they are acknowledging some of the rebel factions have ties to islamic groups that the u.s. deemed terrorist organizations. also acknowledging that this could create a window of opportunity for i.s.i.s. to become more active in syria. remember, that's a major reason why the u.s. has roughly 900 troops in syria right now. at this point, there's no indication that they are under active threat or threatened by the rebel groups in any way. that's still something that u.s. officials are worried about. in these commitments that the president made, he said that he would send officials to the region to help restore stability in syria. he said that the u.s. would

protect u.s. personnel against any new threats. but that is a long to-do list for a president that has just over 40 days left in office. a lot of this will fall on the administration of president-elect trump starting on january 20th. >> that's exactly right. as he was leaving the room, reporters shouted questions about austin tice. he said he believes he is alive and we're going to try to get him back. it was hard to hear what he said after that. can you fill us in? >> reporter: yeah, that's right. some reporters shouting follow-up questions about austin tice. the president saying that tice -- let me find this. we have to find him. he said that president assad should be held accountable for holding tice. remember, u.s. officials for over a decade have said that

syrian officials and the assad regime is responsible for tice being kidnapped over a decade ago. that's something that assad and his officials repeatedly denied. this is coming notably after -- just days after the tice family was here in washington, d.c. they met on friday with national security advisor jake sullivan who we're told the family asked sullivan for a commitment for president biden to ask assad for a commitment to ensure austin tice's release. that's something one of his brothers said that sullivan could not provide. of course, this coming in the wake of this new shift in syria. it's very unclear what the future could bring for austin tice and whether he could be released as a result of this shift in power in syria. >> as we see the prisons opened up, i'm sure they are hoping their loved one is next. later, we will talk about what the fall of the assad

regime means for tulsi gabbard. she is donald trump's pick for director of national intelligence. we are will hear from dan deluce. breaking news this hour. we are getting a new look at the subject of a nationwide manhunt in the killing of brian thompson. in one of the images, the man can be seen staring into the camera in what looks like a taxicab. this weekend, the nypd recovered a backpack and jacket and found monopoly money inside. the search for weapons or a weapon continues. today, a former fbi profiler says the suspect may be playing games with the evidence left behind. >> there's almost a game-like quality to this behavior. however, when you have a game player who is your offender, you have to be open that that is a

ruse to cause law enforcement to look in a different direction. i'm sure they are aware of that. >> joining us now from not too far away is priscilla thompson who has been keeping up with the latest on the story. are there any indications police are getting closer to actually finding the suspect? >> reporter: christina, in the last hour, our affiliate wnbc was in central park where they say there are scuba teams searching in water near where the backpack was found. they are working incredibly hard to try to collect as much evidence as they can to continue this investigation. we also know that mayor adams has said that they have a lot of evidence that's not yet been released publicly, but that they are keeping close to the chest as they work to try to track this guy down. the newest piece being the images we saw them release overnight, perhaps the clearest picture where despite having a mask on, you can see this

individual's eyes very clearly in the back of the taxi. we know the nypd developed an extensive time line. they believe after the shooting, this person of interest got into a taxi and made his way to port authority where the trail goes cold. tom winter spoke with a former lieutenant in the nypd about that. i want to play a little bit of what he had to say. >> by going into this port authority terminal, there's nothing binding that states he needs to be in there and catch a bus. he can be over the bridge and in the wind. we won't know it. >> reporter: we know the nypd has been looking through videos in the port authority. we know they have also sent detectives to atlanta, reviewing video from the bus station there where they believe the bus originated that brought this man into new york city. they are going to look at the stops along the way from atlanta to new york to see if they can

uncover anything by speaking to witnesses or looking at video that could help them track down who this guy is and where he might be. of course, they remain in central park where the backpack was found scouring for any additional evidence, perhaps the biggest piece of evidence being the gun that was used in this crime, which police have still not recovered. >> thank you so much. joining us now is a former member of the fbi's hostage rescue team, and founder of sierra one consulting. we see photos of this guy. they have all kinds of photos they keep releasing. is he thwarting all this surveillance? is he running into it and police still haven't been able to find him? >> i think he knows it's present. that's a big thing. he is has taken steps to divert some of the tension to facial features that may help other people recognize him. you can't get around it now. he realized that. he is just playing into, okay,

i'm going to be seen. i'm only going to show them so much. i think it's -- i believe he is smarter than we originally thought. i think we thought this was a moment of passion. the fact that he changed transportation, went from bike to taxi to possibly bus, i think that shows a lot of pre-planning. he was in the city ten days and they are not getting stuff beforehand. he did realize he would be captured on cameras and gave up as little as he could. >> covered his face. except that shot right there when reportedly he was asked to take it down by a woman who he was flirting with or she was flirting with him. police believe the suspect left new york by bus on wednesday. the nypd sent detectives to atlanta where they think the bus originated, the one he took. does that mean this scope could expand to not only those two states but everything in between? or where does the nationwide

manhunt need to focus? >> he could be so many places. if he got out in that time line, they are going down to atlanta because that's where they think he originated from. i don't think he would go back there. the planning he has shown, i don't think he would go back to a place he has known. the mayor said they have his identity. i don't -- it's one of those things when you get evidence, you have evaluate if we release something, is it going to help or is it going to harm us? sometimes it's a factor of 70/30, 50/50. they are really playing a game of what do we release? if we really think it can help us and rewards are good, they may release it. if they don't think they will get a lot out of it, then they are probably not going to release it. the manhunt can be far right now. the federal agencies have come in. nypd is a huge organization. they like to do things themselves.

nypd does that. i think the bureau is starting to, with their field offices and the computer support, i think they are starting to lend assistance to nypd. >> i wanted to ask you about the comments that mayor adams said yesterday. he insinuated they knew the gunman's name but we don't want to let everyone know. we will withhold it as to not impede the investigation. isn't that self-defeating? if he knows that you know his name, isn't that just as bad as releasing the name at this point? >> i hate when politicians get involved. if it came from a police chief, it would be okay, this is definitely a tactic. they may not know his name and they say they know his name in order to turn up the pressure. if he thinks that, then maybe all these other things will come into play. when a politician says it, you never know if it's on purpose or if it's just a politician opening up something that he heard. i'm not exactly sure. it could be both.

they don't know him but they think by saying they do it's going to put pressure on him to do things that maybe he gets sloppy with. all these cases usually end up with that one phone call, i think this person is so and so. that leads to a drastic series of events that ends up in capture. i think it's going to end the same way. he will allude for a while. one thing will happen. someone will see him, recognize him. make the phone call and the police will be able to act on it. it could be a small town. look at some of the -- eric rudolph who alluded us and was seen in an alley climbing out of a dumpster to get food. who knows how long it's going to take? the country is in this. they do have a lot of people. there's a ton of people online now who think they are detectives and are trying to figure it out. >> thank you so much. we appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. another remarkable revelation from the interview with donald trump.

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delve into one of your signature promises on the campaign trail. >> an interview with president-elect donald trump. potential pardons, whether he would try to end automatic citizenship for children born in

the united states to immigrant parents. joining us is meredith mcgraw, a national political correspondent. quickly, before we get to the trump interview, i want to start with the breaking news in syria. trump posted on social media saying, the united states should have nothing to do with it. not our fight. let it play out. do not get involved. is this a preview of the kind of isolationist policy we could see in a second trump administration? >> i think it is. i think especially when you look at some of the choices donald trump has made for key foreign policy positions in his own administration, i think you can expect them to follow the same tune. it's yet to be seen how senator marco rubio as secretary of state might want to respond or what his guidance would be for donald trump. that's definitely been the tone that has been set by the president-elect when it comes to

getting involved in foreign conflicts. >> there was another social media post from president-elect trump earlier blaming this on russia and saying, russia, russia, russia. that seemed surprising to me. i'm wondering what you took from that and if you could see a little bit of macron and some of the other european leaders with influence in his initial take after the falling of assad regime? >> i do think it was interesting that we saw yesterday when donald trump was in paris, he took time to meet with zelenskyy in addition to macron. they had a meeting on the sidelines of trump's appearance in paris. donald trump needs to be very sensitive when it comes to the issue of russia and vladimir putin. but i do think seeing him yesterday in paris with zelenskyy and macron certainly

sent a signal. >> they are trying to bring him into the foed. i'm wondering what you think this means for tulsi gabbard, trump's pick for national intelligence. she faced criticism for her praise of syria and the assad regime. >> i think tulsi gabbard is one of the picks by donald trump that is more controversial. she could really face some headwinds and serious questions from senators on capitol hill who are going to want to know more about some of the appearances she's made, the meetings she's had with foreign adversaries, with assad. so i think there are going to be a lot of questions there. right now, the focus has been on pete hegseth and his confirmation battle and the support or lack of support he

has with some key senators on capitol hill. but i would expect tulsi gabbard, rfk junior, and some other trump picks to also face some headwinds. with tulsi gabbard, some questions about some of the sideline international dealings she's had. >> some of her trips, yeah. let's change gears. i want to play more of trump's interview with kristen welker. this time, this is him talking about pardons for the january 6 rioters. >> i want to look at everything. >> everyone? >> yeah. i'm going to be acting very quickly. >> within your first 100 days, first day? >> first day. >> first day? >> yeah. >> issue these pardons? >> three, four years. by the way, they have been in there for years. they are in a filthy, disgusting place that shouldn't even be allowed to be open.

>> i'm wondering if you think this could backfire given that poll after poll has shown that pardons is unpopular. >> it's unpopular generally. with some core members of trump's base, it has been a big push, especially during the election. there were a lot of more far right members of his base who were hoping for even more assurances from donald trump when it came to the issue of pardons for the january 6 rioters. trump and some of his allies have said that they're going to be looking at these individuals on a case by case basis. but at the same time, nobody can forget what unfolded on january 6 and the behavior by people who were on capitol hill and bloodied police officers and the mayhem that ensued up there.

while it's unpopular with the public, he has gotten a push from the maga base to pardon some of the people still. >> i'm wondering what you think the reaction from republicans in congress is going to be to some of the more dramatic proposals like ending ing birthright citizenship or pardoning the january 6 rioters? >> we will have to see how some members on capitol hill react to some of this. donald trump has tried to assert that he has a lot of power with executive orders to make some of these things happen. birthright citizenship is enshrined in the constitution. i think donald trump might not face the support he thinks on some of these more controversial decisions. but he still believes that he is able to get a lot of stuff done on day one with executive orders. >> thank you so much for joining

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get involved. a i agree, we shouldn't be involved. >> we don't have to put u.s. troops there. >> it's a terrorist organization. it's not just a passing of power and authority. it could be. we will have to watch that. >> to have this brutal dictator gone is a good thing. the hope is this will be about thor. we don't know yet. there's a lot of questions. >> that's reaction from the sunday talk shows on the ousting of bashar al assad. president biden and u.s. lawmakers have framed it as a positive development. there are questions about what comes next for the embattled nation. joining us is dan deluce. can you explain to those of us who might be confused, who are these rebels? these are not the same we remember from the start of the conflict. are they actually prepared to run this country? . >> it's an open question how

syria evolves. the hts is descended from al qaeda. they are a terrorist organization designated by the u.s. and the u.n. and others. they have tried to present themselves over the past year or so as pragmatic, something different from al qaeda. they are trying to say they are inclusive. they tried to make symbolic gestures to non-muslim communities or non-sunni muslims to show they are ready to govern all syrians. of course, there are other rebel factions there. the kurdish forces in the east. there's a rebel force up in the north that's backed by turkey. there are other groups beyond that. there are huge questions about how power will be aligned there and whether we will see just yet ool phase another phase in the civil war. it will be up to -- turkey is a

player, what other arab governments do will be a huge question. >> this was one of the conflicts -- it seemed intractable after almost a decade. then all of a sudden, it moved. what happened? what was the impetus? why was this group able to all of a sudden take out the syrian government after so many years of unrest? >> that's right, it's amazing how many years this has gone by. it seemed intractable. go back to october 7 when hamas attacked israel. that led to a major retaliation against all of iran's proxies, including the hezbollah militia in lebanon. iran really suffered serious setbacks over the past year from israel. it was depleted. then russia is waging a massive war in ukraine after its invasion of ukraine. syria really depended -- the syrian regime depended on russia and iran. that's what saved assad more

than a decade ago, russian air power and iranian troops and militias that are trained and armed by iran. for whatever reason this time -- russia and iran have been distracted and exhausted by their own conflicts and problems. they were unable and unwilling to come to assad's aid quickly enough. air power and ground power could have stopped this offensive. it didn't materialize. it raises a lot of questions about iran's military and its intelligence services. >> i'm wondering what you make of this announcement towards the end of president biden's remarks where he says the u.s. conducted strikes against i.s.i.s. in syria today. did that surprise you? >> i think that's very significant. i think that's a signal, really, a message to i.s.i.s. and other extremists that even without assad in place, the u.s. is not going to take its eye off the ball in terms of countering

terrorism. i think there's concern that when you have so much turbulence and upheaval in syria and a vacuum that groups like i.s.i.s. could try to take advantage of the situation, which they have in other similar situations. i think that was very significant that the u.s. did that. it was both symbolic and concrete and it was really trying to send a warning to i.s.i.s. not to try to take advantage of the situation. >> dan, thank you so much. next up, there are so many questions about this headline. trump isn't president yet, but that hasn't stopped him from starting to act like he is. more in a bit. ♪ with verizon, trade in any phone, any condition. for a limited time, get iphone 16 pro with apple intelligence. get four on us. only on verizon.

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you do? okay. president-elect donald trump spoke about his priorities on his first day in office. >> you prop mised to end birthright citizenship. is that still your plan? >> yes. >> let me ask you about january 6. i think you will want to answer this question. you promised to pardon those who attacked the capitol on january 6. are you still vowing to follow through with that? >> we are looking at it. most likely. i'm going to be acting very quickly. >> within your first 100 days, first day? >> first day. >> first day? >> yeah. i'm looking first day. >> joining us now the vice president of political strategy

at crooked media. on a practical level, what do you expect trump to actually do on day one of taking office? >> i mean, i think him and his soon to be administration have made it clear that immigration is a top priority for them. he has talked about mass deportations. he has talked about ending birthright citizenship. i think that's where they are going to start. i think they will run into our legal system. obviously, there will be a lot of challenges that come up as they try to move forward with these things, he is something like ending birthright citizenship, which is guaranteed to anyone born in this country. one thing we know about trump, we saw this when he wanted to ban people from muslim countries, he does what he wants, asking questions later. when our judicial system gets involved, he keeping pressing until he gets what he wants. he will start to fill the courts

with people who will decide in his favor. i think he will start with immigration. i think it will be a mess. >> carlos, i want to go to you. trump hasn't taken office but he has had a large presence on the world stage, arguably more than biden at the moment. what do you make of the paris trip? does this transition feel different than those in the recent past? >> definitely. it's not just the transition, but even during the four years when donald trump has not been in office after joe biden's win in the 2020 election, he has done everything in his power to make news, to be in the news. donald trump is a tv guy. that's how -- one of the ways he became a celebrity in our country. what we are seeing is that he, despite not yet being in office, is obviously trying to exercise as much power as he has in anticipation of that. there are world leaders who

understand that donald trump will be taking over at white house in about a month. they are also trying to appease him and appeal to him. that's why you saw justin trudeau at mar-a-lago, macron ing trump to paris. donald trump is making the most of this period before he actually takes office. >> do you think some of the leaders are trying to build a relationship with trump in order to head off some of the threats he has been making, including tariffs, stopping aid and he is always a little iffy on nato and given what's going on in ukraine, that's something european allies are worried about. >> absolutely. i think we have serious leaders throughout the globe. i think they know they are dealing with someone who is pretty immature and can be set off easily. they know he likes when people try to get into his good graces. unfortunately, we don't know this will guarantee whatever outcomes they want. but they have to start somewhere.

across the world, the leaders are tasked with keeping our world safe. trump is tasked with keeping our country safe. i hope he does that. i think they are doing what they need to do to make sure they can get through a trump presidency with as little friction as possible. i think it's really hard to determine what he is going to do. he is ctable. particularly ukraine, folks are making sure he is committed to ending the war but make sure he doesn't do something that's destructive just to say he ended that war. >> i'm going to throw this both of you. i'm wondering how you think democrats should approach being the opposition party in the next four years. it seems like the initial knee-jerk reaction is no, no, oppose, oppose. is that the most productive way to go? is that the most effective way? should they take another tactic? >> you know, i think there are certain -- the cabinet nominations, it there are certain people that democrats

should point to. they can't point to everyone. at the end of the day, there's going to be people who are going to be put in appointed positions. donald trump did win. he gets to do that. for the people who are a true threat to the country, matt gaetz stepped down, but kash patel, those are people that democrats should go after. continue to point out the harms of the trump administration as the different things he does comes up. something that's really important for democrats is that we are not just opposing things but actually coming in and supporting people when they are impacted by trump's policies. making sure they have what they need and returning to what democrats are known for, showing up for people all the time, but especially when they are in need. >> carlos, you have been in the rooms. what's the best approach when you are out of power but want to make a difference? >> i think right now, the country is in the mood for a loyal, sober opposition on the part of democrats.

the country is exhausted by the political division, both sides have exhibited quite a bit of outrage opposition over the last eight years. i think if democrats take a sober approach, if they show a willingness to work with trump when it makes sense, and, of course, opposing him on other issues, when he goes too far, they could really stand to benefit in the '26 election that typically are difficult for the party in power. i think if democrats show that they are mature, that they are willing to work with trump but at the same time going to continue to oppose him when it makes sense, it's very likely that they should be able to take over at least the house of representatives in 2026, given what history has shown us. >> seeking maturity from members of congress. what could possibly go wrong? just kidding. thank you both so much for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, what donald trump

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possibly family members of those deported. he also spoke about ending birthright citizenship for children born to undocumented people. >> first of all, they are costing us a fortune. we are starting with the criminals. we gotta do it. then we are starting with others. we will see how it goes. >> who are the others? >> other people outside of criminals. we have convicted murderers. we don't mean people that are even on trial. we have people that have murdered numerous people on our streets and in our farms. we have to get them out of our country. >> joining us now is the president of next gen america. christina, the president-elect said his deportation plans could include the 4 million families in the u.s. that have mixed immigration status. the only way not to break up the families is to just send them

all back to their country offing or -- of origin together. what should people do to prepare for this? >> i live in texas. we have a very storied history in this country with deporting american citizens, operation wetback in 1954 was launched. it deported thousands of mexicans and american citizens and took their land in the process. it's terrible. it's frightening to see that invoked in present day. i want to remind people that are watching, especially people that are in mixed status family or know people undocumented and could be impacted that he cannot unilaterally end birthright citizenship. we know that we do have a broken immigration system. it's broken not just for -- it's broken also for undocumented families and american-born workers. the status quo and why he will not deport everyone, he is going back a little bit on what he said, is that in this country nearly half of the people that

pick our fruits and vegetables are undocumented. i live here in texas. we have a housing crisis. half of the workforce in texas are undocumented. it would cause massive economic chaos. we can build a system that protects immigrant workers even american-born workers and keeps families together. trump doesn't have any real interest in doing that. it's not only going to be cruel, it's not only potentially chick economically devastating but unconstitutional. people should be concerned about the constitutionality of what he is trying to say he would like to do. >> something i thought that was unexpected is trump said he will work with democrats to pass legislation that would ensure dreamers, the undocumented immigrants who enter the country as children, would stay in the country. he blamed president biden for not getting a law through that would have protected their citizenship or given them

citizenship. do you take trump at his word here? why he moving his policy here? will there be any will in the gop-controlled congress to do what he says he wants to do here? >> we know that trump likes to speak out of both sides of his mouth. we hope that we can protect at least dreamers in this country that have overwhelming support from the american people that want to see their status and ability to live and work in the country that they grew up in, know as their home, to stay. that's why you have him saying that. i think what we're going to see is, we're going to see families separated, families that are mixed status impacted. what we're going to see is a performance. a lot of the industries that depend on undocumented ed work donald trump and his people don't want to address. they are some of the largest employers of undocumented people. i don't think they will deport everyone.

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