good evening and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, this is not a drill. in his first televised interview since winning the 2024 election, donald trump has doubled down on just about every nightmarish policy his supporters said he wasn't serious about during the campaign. with just six weeks before inauguration the president-

elect told nbc's kristen welker that he's not bluffing about ending birthright citizenship for children of immigrants or giving air to potentially lethal antivaccination conspiracy theories within the health and human services department or proceeding with disastrous tariffs that he can't guarantee won't cause americans economic pain before somehow it all works out and with syria in the midst of a historic transition today after rebels ended the 50- year assad regime, even more scrutiny is on trump's controversial cabinet picks to oversee our intelligence agencies and our defense department along with trump's own cozy relationship with

russian president vladimir putin. trump says the situation in syria is none of our business in his remarks today. president biden in his remarks urged a different approach from the united states. >> at long last the assad regime has fallen. it's a moment of historic opportunity for the long suffering people of syria. we all turn to the question of what comes next. the united states will work with our partners and the stakeholders in syria to help them seize an opportunity to manage the risks. manage the ri >> we start this evening with some breaking news out of the middle east where earlier today rebel forces have toppled the regime of syrian president bashar al assad after a fast offensive that only took a few

days. syrian residents poured onto the streets of major cities pulling down statues and celebrating the end of 54 years of assad dynasty rule. russian officials say assad has left syria and is currently in moscow where he has been granted asylum. let's hear more from nbc news foreign correspondent meagan fitzgerald in london. where do things stand now? >> reporter: just as you mentioned, over the course of the day we've seen celebration from people rejoicing in the streets celebrating the fall of this repressive assad regime. we're seeing video of people released from assad's notorious prisons and important to note amnesty international called those prisons human slaughterhouses where mass hangings and exterminations took place, where people were tortured. many syrians believe that they are now free.

we are seeing an emotional day for so many, a moment that really gives people hope, but the big question now is what happens next? how will the country be governed moving forward? hts has recently said that the syrian people don't need to fear them, that they will respect minority groups, but while there has been a lot of celebration, this is also a moment of great uncertainty for the syrian people. how we got here is something that shocked a lot of people. we're talking about a lightning fast offensive which kicked off less than two weeks ago where the rebels captured aleppo, but it really accelerated the last 48 hours. last night rebels took over homs, which is the largest province in syria, seizing control of the syrian lebanese border and cutting off the road between damascus and the syrian coast which significantly weakened the assad regime. hours later the rebels led by hts said that they are in

control of damascus and the country. again, how will syria be governed? what will happen next? had of course, these are all the questions that remain to be seen. >> thank you nbc's meagan fitzgerald in london. now to politics, joining me now is congressman adriano espi at. first of all, it's good to see you. >> same here. >> i have to start with the situation in syria right now. we just heard that a rebel insurgency has toppled the assad regime after 50 years of rule. we've heard from both president biden and president-elect trump today as this story has developed, but what is your reaction? >> well, this has been 50 years

of oppressive government in syria and finally the people in syria get a fresh breath of liberty. however, we must engage them immediately. we must not resort to all habits where we isolate new governments and new folks that come into power based on stereotypes or international gossip. we should deploy our top diplomats to the region to engage the new government and insure that we have some influence and the ability to work with the new government in syria. i think it's important that we do that and we do that immediately. >> now you are coming in as hispanic caucus chair, its

first afro-latino-elect, by the way, while the president-elect trump team and lawmakers pursue a mass deportation plan that would disproportionately impact hispanic americans, separating families of mixed legal status and destabilizing migrant communities across the country. the trump team has warned states and cities to comply or risk punishment. how should democrats in congress fight back against this purge if it's enacted on day one as trump claims it could be? >> well, first and foremost, i think our job is to educate people and to make sure that communities know what their rights are across the country and then to provide the funding for legal services that would allow these communities to have their day in court. we are still a nation that abides itself by the rule of

law. so we're expecting that the country will not take a u-turn and begin to violate people's rights. we can enforce the law without violating people's rights. everybody has their day in court. due process must be protected, and we will be watchful that this new effort for mass deportation which often turns into if not sloppy, inhumane, doesn't violate the rights of people across the country. once people steps into the united states they are guarded by the constitution and as such, everything that occurs afterwards must be within the parameters of the law. >> in addition to this purge he's promised, trump has doubled down on his threats to end standing constitutional protections for immigrants. take a listen to him on "meet the press" this morning, this

weekend, as he stated this. >> you promised to end birthright citizenship on day one. is that still your plan? >> yeah. absolutely. >> the 14th amendment, though, says that, "all persons born in the united s states are citizens." >> if somebody sets a foot on our land, congratulations. you are now a citizen of the united states of america. yes, we're going to end that because it's ridiculous. >> through executive action? >> well, if we can through executive action. i was going to do it through executive action, but then we had to fix covid first, to be honest with you. we have to end it. >> trump's claim that we are the only country with birthright citizenship is just not true. both our neighbors, mexico and

canada, have it, as do many others. congressman, what's your reaction to trump's comments? >> well, over three dozen countries in the hemisphere alone really support birthright and apply birthright citizenship including, as you said, mexico and canada. so this is factually wrong. that is not the case and again, it's enshrined in the constitution, that right. it's enshrined in the constitution. so the constitution is a very elastic and vigorous document that in order to amend it, why have to go through a very detailed long process. the last time we did that we gave 18-year-olds the right to vote. it was decades ago. so this is not a document that we go to off the cuff because we feel one thing is wrong and it should not be in place. it has to go through a rigorous

process state by state and i doubt very seriously that the american people will support that. >> the next congress will open with a record number seven latino senators, u.s. senators, a milestone even as hispanic representation in the house will decrease slightly from 48 to 45. hispanic candidates won congressional seats in 12 states last month, including historic wins in ohio and arizona which elected their first latino senators. in all, a total 52 latino members will be part of next year's congress. what do you take from that as the incoming chair of the hispanic caucus? >> well, we have 39 members of the house and four u.s. senators.

it is our highest number ever, 43, and so we have also in addition to that, six new members, six freshmen members of the caucus. we will be dealing and addressing housing issues. we will be addressing economic development through artificial intelligence. we will rebuild our relationship with latin america and the caribbean as formally from other countries myself in the dominican republic, but people from mexico and colombia and ecuador. we should be having a stronger relationship with latin america and the caribbean and finally, reverend, i think we need to communicate better with the american people. i think we failed to do that. so we will be bolstering many tools we use to make sure the american people are up to date with what we're doing in washington and that they get educated on the immigration process. >> lastly, congressman, going

back to trump's "meet the press" interview that aired today, he said that he can't guarantee that his promised 25% tariff on goods from canada and mexico won't raise prices for american consumers. added to that, mexico, our top trade partner and second largest source of foreign crude oil, has pledged to raise tariffs of its own on american goods. if a trade war does happen, can the u.s. survive economically without mexico? >> first of all, mexico is our biggest trading partner, as you said, $800 billion of trade back and forth in 2023. we have important coproduction chains with that country and it will be a grave mistake to impose these very heavy on the top tariffs. i think that protecting

american jobs and tariffs, there should be a balance, a very equitable balance, that will guarantee that we won't have runaway prices. remember, when we have these goods to services, you see tariffs, those folks will raise prices and consumers will pay for it. so we will feel that impact at the cash register when we go buy these goods that are adversely impacted by these tariffs. >> all right. thank you to the incoming chair of the hispanic caucus, congressman adriano espaillat of new york. now to some breaking news, the new york police department has today released new photos of a person being sought in the killing of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson in midtown manhattan last week. for the latest on the manhunt and all around it, let's get

out to nbc's priscilla thompson in new york. please tell us, priscilla, what is the investigation focusing on at this hour? >> reporter: yeah, al, good evening. two things that the investigation is focusing on. one is central park. that is where the nypd found that backpack they believe belonged to the shooter late friday and we know that there have been divers in central park continuing to scour that area, looking through the waters there and this is a very specialized dive team that is using a grid system to really meticulously look through those waters for any signs of evidence, particularly the possibility that the shooter may have dumped the gun somewhere in the waters in central park and again, that is where they found that backpack that had in it a jacket and also monopoly money. that bag has since been taken to a lab where it has been inspected for fingerprints and dna and the other big focus is the new photos released

overnight by the nypd where you have a very clear picture of this person of interest's eyes. it appears he was sitting in the back of a taxicab in new york city and that comes after the nypd did extensive video surveillance throughout the city to really get a sense of his movements, knowing that he came in they believe through port authority from a bus that originated in atlanta. there's plenty of video showing the actual shooting caught on camera and then him fleeing through an alley, getting on a bike into central park, getting out of central park on a bike and we know police believe he got into a taxicab and then went to port authority and that is where the trail goes cold. they're getting those pictures out there hoping that someone will see him and be able to figure out who he is or share who he is or they can use their facial recognition software to perhaps figure out where he might be now. we know that the nypd has also sent detectives to atlanta where that bus into new york originated from. they're looking at video

cameras in the bus station there and they're also looking at the stops along the route into new york city for any additional evidence that can help them. to ultimately apprehend this suspect who on day five of this search still remains at large. >> thank you, nbc's priscilla thompson, in new york. after the break, more from the interview with president- elect donald trump. chicago's mayor joins me now. i'm live from atlanta, georgia. daily zz for quality sleep. and enxtra for focus and clarity. centrum, powered by clinically studied ingredients.

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are wrestling with how fiercely to push back, where do you stand? >> yeah. well, look, first of all, my responsibility as mayor of the city of chicago is to protect working people. the city of chicago is one of the most, if not the most, pro worker city in america by past substantive policies to encourage to grow paid time off for workers, abolishing the subminimum waste. these are workers primarily black and brown. investing in neighborhoods, particularly neighborhoods that have been historically disinvested in. i stand with the people of the city, with the people of, to insure that our economy is protected and continues to grow by actually investing in people. it's unfortunate that the former president, president- elect, has taken a very petite approach towards governance. what we're doing in chicago is we're going big. we'll continue to go bigger by building more affordable homes, investing in our public education, making sure that we have good paying jobs and we

continue to build a better, stronger, much safer chicago. >> some political analysts have suggested that because trump made inroads with voters in many democratic leaning cities and states this election cycle, he may be eager to pick a fight with a mayor such as yourself on the issue of illegal immigration. are you concerned about that at all? >> well, certainly i'm not concerned about, you know, fighting on behalf of working people, right? i was born in a very similar position of most people in this city, born to a working class family. i'm the middle child of ten. every single day the ends didn't always meet. what i'm doing is fighting on behalf of the people of chicago. the president-elect has a unique opportunity with the house and the senate and the judicial branch to actually move on substantive policies that can transform lives.

he's also threatened public education, his desire to totally eliminate public education. the department is not just egregious, but it's dangerous, right? when we think about the words of dubois that public education at the expense of the state, after all is, a negro idea. black, brown, white, asian families rely on public education. his disdain towards public housing, the end of his first term he began to go after subsidies, programs and vouchers that would create better opportunities for affordable homes and public housing. his resistance towards public accommodations is deeply tethered to something that is a very painful past in our nation's history. what i've simply offered is a vision forward where we can invest in people, create opportunities for working people and education and jobs and housing. that's how we grow our economy. he has an opportunity to do that. i hope he doesn't waste his power. >> now putting these threats aside, is there one or two issues where you see the

potential for common ground with the incoming administration? >> well, one of the things that we're very proud of in the city of chicago is how we are of having more in our community colleges. 11, 12% growth in enrollment, the fastest returning of community college system anywhere in the country, but the part i'm really excited about is the number one enrollee or registrants for community colleges are black young men. i'm looking to expand opportunities for the trades to be offered in a far more substantial way in our community colleges. we've just built alongside of madison avenue, as you know, in the city of chicago, madison avenue has a very profound history after dr. king was assassinated. madison street has not been developed since 1968 and so we've expanded the malcolm x community college campus. they're creating more opportunities for people to go into the healthcare profession. so president-elect donald trump has an opportunity to invest in

our community colleges, invest in our public institutions. that's what we're doing in chicago. the other opportunity has to do is to help grow small businesses. invested $1.25 billion, a bond to grow more affordable homes and small businesses. we're going to grow 525 small businesses over the next five years. he can partner with cities like chicago to grow the economy. that's what this is really about. the nonsense and rhetoric that continues to be spewed this moment is just not healthy for our city or country. working people are struggling to make ends meet just like what i experienced growing up. that's what people want us to respond to. as you know, the cumulative wealth, particularly for black and brown families, is woefully behind other families. we can grow our economy by creating more affordable homes, investing in our public education system as well as investing in small businesses. that's what the people of chicago elected me to do.

that's what i'm doing. the president has an opportunity to go big and not go small. >> before you go, we're out of time, but before you go, you presented your final budget proposal to the chicago city council friday and while it contains no layoffs, there's disapproval from some residents over the elimination of a guaranteed basic income program that provided qualifying households with $500 a month for a year. i understand this is a tight budget year for chicago. what can you tell us about the decisions reflected in your proposal? >> well, as you note, reverend al, our budgets speak to our value system. in my budget we increased youth employment. we're going to hire up to 30,000 young people for summer jobs. i remember when i received my first summer job and those dollars were used to help

support my family. in this budget we expand and grow behavior and mental health services. we're part of the international association of mayors and part of that effort to continue to support behavior and mental health services. i'm the first black mayor since mayor washington in the city of chicago to not take away from public health as relates to mental health. also in this budget is to grow our affordable housing units. we're at 3,600. we'll continue to do that, but also this budget is our have. in community safety. homicides are down. shootings are down. robberies are down. we're headed in the right direction, a lot of work to be done. i'm grateful we've built a very substantial collaborative approach with city council. the council has put forth proposals that don't entirely align with my value system, quite frankly. i'm disappointed this guaranteed basic income is something that some members of city council are willing to scrap, but what i can say emphatically is this. this budget reflects our values

fighting for working people across the season, black, brown, white, asian, the intergenerational movement that caused me to become the first mayor to have no ties to the machine, if you will. so i'm going to continue to work with city council, but this budget is really about investing in people in housing, jobs and workforce, of course, community safety and mental behavioral health and i'll continue to do that. >> all right. thank you for being with us, as always, chicago mayor brandon johnson. >> thank you. before we continue, i want to share some great news. starting this weekend you can listen to every episode of "politics nation" as a podcast for free. scan the qr code on your screen to follow now and listen to the trail. then check back every weekend to listen to each show and if you want to listen to this and

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welcome back to "politics nation." president-elect donald trump isn't backing off his pledge to pardon january 6th prisoners who stormed the u.s. capitol. take a listen to his exclusive interview with nbc's kristen welker on "meet the press." >> i'm going to be acting very quickly. >> within your first 100 days, first day? >> first day. >> first day? >> yeah. >> to issue these pardons. >> how long has it been, three or four years? >> right.

>> by the way, they've been in there for years and they're in a filthy, disgusting place that shouldn't even be allowed to be open. >> my political panel joins us now, doug jones, former democratic u.s. senator from alabama. he's a distinguished senior fellow at the center for american progress and carlos karabell carbello, msnbc analyst, a former congressman from florida. carlos, according to the security blog "just security," almost every prisoner in the d.c. jail has been charged with assaulting a law enforcement officer. what would be the political consequences if trump makes good on his promise to free them? >> well, rev, this is going to be difficult to reconcile with

back the blue, right? which republicans have taken up as a major theme of their party the last five or six years and look, these were people who committed crimes. they were accused. they had trials. they had due process. a lot of them voluntarily filed plea agreements that resulted in sentences and the evidence of what they did is there for everybody to see. donald trump has announced a long time he would do this if he got elected. people knew this was a possibility and voted for him. so i fully expect he will deliver on this promise. the precedents it sets i think are dangerous, but here we go. >> doug, in addition to pardons for the january 6th rioters, trump also suggested lawmakers who participated in the january

6th select committee, such as liz cheney, should go to jail, though he stopped short of saying he would order their arrest. the wyoming congresswoman issued a statement this afternoon saying trump's claims about the committee are ridiculous and false. do these comments strengthen the case for preemptive pardons that are being considered by the biden administration? >> you know, rev, i think there's an argument to be made that it does. however, i've just always been one to believe that that's more political bluster from donald trump than it is fact. everything that those folks did, everything that they did, was part of the speech and debate clause of the united states constitution. it's protected already. you know, i really believe that a lot of what donald trump says about going after congressional-

type folks is really the political bluster. now if the president wants to do something preemptively, then he certainly has that power to do so. i think he's going to exercise some real caution in doing that and probably will likely talk to former representative cheney and others who may have been on that committee to see what they think because i think that that makes a difference as well. >> carlos, turning now to syria, we've been following the historical fall this weekend of syrian president bashar al assad, ending his family's nearly 50-year grip on the country. russian state media says assad has fled to moscow. do you think these events will put more political scrutiny on trump's pick to be director of national intelligence, former congresswoman tulsi gabbard,

who has links to both assad and russian president vladimir putin? >> without a doubt, rev. i got to know congressman gabbard relatively well. we served together. we worked together on a number of issues and all of a sudden we found out one day that she had gone to have a visit with bashar al assad which we didn't understand because this was in the middle of the first conflict in syria where assad used chemical weapons against his own people. at that time donald trump to the satisfaction of many responded to that attack and there were consequences. there was a targeted missile strike from the united states, france, and the uk in response to that chemical attack against civilians. so this is definitely going to highlight former congresswoman gabbard's involvement, engagement with bashar al assad. she's have to answer a lot of questions if she gets to a

senate hearing and i think that hearing would be very difficult for her. i can assure you, al, there are a number of republican senators who have very serious concerns about tulsi gabbard, not to mention probably every single democrat. >> senator, during his interview with christian welker, trump also stood by his controversial pick of rfk jr. to lead the health and human services, suggesting kennedy will investigate a supposed link between vaccines and autism, something most medical experts say it does not exist. we know kennedy's brand of vaccine skepticism can lead to deaths because it's already happened. we recently spoke on this show with the governor of hawaii who saw firsthand how kennedy

contributed to a measles outbreak in samoa that killed over 80 people, mostly children. is the senate really going to confirm this guy and let him loose on the american healthcare system as it is? >> you know, rev, i worry that the senate will do that. it will take four republican senators -- i believe every democrat will vote against robert f. kennedy. it will take four republican senators to say no and i think he's going to be grilled. i think the hearing will be very, very interesting because some of them will absolutely fall all over themselves supporting kennedy and it's going to be up to the democrats to bring all this home and remember, as you said, this particular study about autism and vaccines has been studied over and over and over again. so now we've got on the one hand, elon musk and mr.

ramaswamy trying to cut government spending, but now they're going to waste all this ton of money in hhs. this is taxpayer dollars at work that will absolutely be wasted and i think democrats will hone in on that as well as the just absolute absurd notion of this link that's been debunked for so many years. >> former politicians doug jones and carlos curbelo, thank you both for being with us. just ahead, as the 118th united states congress comes to a close, so does a daughter's mission to continue her late mother's legacy in washington. after the break we'll speak with the late sheila jackson lee's daughter about what's next for her and her constituents. ♪♪

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welcome back to "politics nation" where the late texas congressman sheila jackson lee was nearing her battle with cancer over the summer. her daughter made her solemn promise to finish her work on capitol hill by running to serve out the rest of her term. erica lee carter fulfilled that pledge by running and winning a special election for her mother's seat and now that her own time in congress is drawing

to a close, she joins us now to talk about it. congresswoman, thank you for being here and sharing with us. congresswoman, i want to remind our viewers that i talked to your family just before your mother passed. they put the phone to her ear and let me speak to her in her closing days in the summer. just two days later close friend and sorority sister kamala harris declared her presidential candidacy, attending your mother's funeral later that week she did the eulogy. then you won the election to serve out the rest of your mother's term and made history twice. you helped set a new record number of members in the democratic women's caucus at 95 members and you became the first woman ever to replace her mother in congress.

how would you sum up the experience so far? >> i would say it is amazing, but it speaks to my mother's iconic legacy, as you mentioned, honorable sheila jackson lee. she broke many barriers herself and to walk beside her shoes because her shoes are too big for any one person to fill has been a true honor to serving in the united states congress with her friends and now my colleagues. >> now there's one bill that was renamed in honor of your late mother, the human trafficking bill. tell us about it. >> yes. my mother cowrote this legislation. it's one of the greatest threats to our children, human trafficking, 80,000 victims in texas alone and rising every day across our nation. so congressman mccall, the

bill's always had bipartisan support, reintroduced it and renamed it the sheila jackson lee stop human trafficking in school zone act. the colead and we are working to get this voted on and working with advocates across the nation to address this scourge. >> now i was proud to hear this week about the passage of a bipartisan legislation to instruct congress to posthumously bestow the late congresswoman shirley chisolm with a congressional gold medal in commemoration of her accomplishments, activism, and legacy. i was one of the youth directors of a presidential campaign when i was 18 years old. what message do you have to women of color who want to run for office to serve the people? >> my message is it's our time and you certainly should. there's nothing that should

stop you. this would have been the honorable shirley chisholm's 100th birthday and i thank congresswoman barbara lee for leading this bill and i was honored to speak on it. we have a message. we have a vision for america as black women. we know when america's hurting, the black community is hurting even more and we should run to serve, to bring people together. we often are the mothers, aunties, grandmothers where our children's neighbors and everyone and that could serve us well in this rough and tough political environment that can be so divisive. black women are known to bring people together. >> all right. texas congresswoman erica lee carter, i know your mother's proud. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. olay visibly firms, lifts, and smooths wrinkles, by penetrating the skin, to boost regeneration

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