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right now on ana cabrera reports, a brutal dictatorship comes to an end. crowds, celebrating in syria streets after rebels take control of the capital, forcing bashar al assad to flee. what it means for the region and the u.s. plus donald trump's first broadcast interview since becoming the president elect. what he is saying about the members of the january 6th committee who investigated him. later, intensifying manhunt, new evidence and the killing of healthcare ceo in the middle of manhattan. five days later, our police any closer to an arrest? good morning, it's 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific, i'm ana

cabrera, reporting from new york. prisons being emptied, cheering in the streets, those are the scenes in syria after a rebel coalition shocked the world sunday toppling the assad regime with the role through the country. in just over a week, bringing an unexpected and to syria's nearly 14 year civil war and ending five decades of rule by the assad family. now the uss that bashar al assad fled the country and has been given asylum in moscow. russia's vladimir putin along with iran, were his primary backers throughout this decade plus of fighting. the upheaval is being met with cautious optimism from the u.s. and other western allies. richard? >> reporter: the pace of events

has just been staggering. we are right in the center of damascus, more than 1000 people have come here, they've been coming all day, to celebrate and firing guns in the air. if you look down at the ground, you can see all of the bullet casings, the constant stream of celebratory gunfire, after more than five decades in power, the assad family dynasty has been overthrown. bashar al assad, had been fighting and winning a civil war for the last 10 years, he was dramatically overthrown in just 10 days. people are stunned, generally optimistic, rebels, who overthrew the government without putting up much of a fight, the rebels moved into damascus. they are being greeted here like heroes, and we've been speaking to people who are happy today. >> very happy! very happy! >> [ speaking in a global

language ] >> he saying in arabic the reason they are happy that they got rid of bashar al assad but what happens next is a major challenge. >> [ chanting ] >> okay, richard engel, thank you so much, let's bring in kelly o'donnell at the white house, also with us, douglas oliver, former staffer under president bush and obama, bring us up to speed as far as the white house reaction, and also, what do we know about the dozens of airstrikes that the u.s. launched in syria just yesterday. >> for the united states, this is something that is being

watched critically. the u.s. is involved, trying to bring about stability for especially you s allies in the region and trying to take measured steps because of the unknowns, and there are considerable unknowns. president biden met with national security advisors over the weekend and spoke publicly about this dramatic turn of events and the fact that the u.s. wants to be engaged and they want to be involved. here is part of what president biden had to say. >> the fall of the regime is a fundamental act of justice. it's a moment of historical opportunity for the long- suffering people of syria, to build a better future for their proud country and it's also a moment of risk and uncertainty, we are clear eyed about the fact that isis will try to take advantage to reestablish its capability and create a safe haven. we will not let that happen.

>> and the president has limited time left in office, and at this point, president- elect trump has talked about the u.s. not being involved in this, so there's already some space between the outgoing and the incoming administration on this. and certainly the u.s. is first concerned about force protection with about 900 service personnel in syria, concerned about the risk of things like chemical weapons and the potential for valuable assets that could be volatile in the wrong hands. all of the uncertainties of when a long-held regime is toppled. certainly, israel has also taken aggressive steps to protect its border and make strikes on some of the chemical weapons, so there's a time when the u.s. once engagement, not knowing who will rise in terms of leadership at the u.s. position at this point, it's relief and glad that assad and that long history has ended, and certainly they are uncertain about what is going

to happen. >> so, it's a coalition of groups, and in the best way to out itis think about the evolution of these groups, in 2011 when this started in syria, it was mostly peaceful protesters that evolved into including defectors of the syrian army. over the course of the russia crackdown and the iran crackdown on these protesters, they became more militant, they became affiliated with groups like al qaeda and isis and they became extremist, over the course of the past 10 years or so, they became designated by the united states and others as a terrorist organization, the leader of this group right now, was somebody who until this day, still has an fbi wanted poster and a $10 million county on his head but over the past several years, he has moderated

his views and certainly moderated the way he spoke about the syrian revolution, he distanced himself from al qaeda. he had a cnn interview last week where he said he evolved and he made mistakes and he's a different person and he wants to build syria into a pluralistic, multiethnic society built on institutions, not on an individual. anybody who's watching this knows that you cannot simply take that at its face value. you have to see what the actions are and again, we are only 24 hours or so into this but already one of the things that they've done that is different that other countries have done is they have relinquished a little bit of power, they have created a caretaker government and announced this morning, a former minister to serve as the salvation prime minister in this transition, so it looks like although they will be front and center in power, they may not be front and center in the face of the power. >> what stands out to me is a

power vacuum on the day after, that's where things can so quickly be derailed in situations like this. i'm thinking of what happened in iraq or yemen, so here, we have these rebel factions that teamed up against assad, but can they unite to govern? what kind of challenges that? >> well, that's the question, and it's a huge question, and we wish all the best things for the syrian people and we hope that there is a fairytale ending to the story, but history would tell us to be much more cautious, you know, from the russian revolution of 1917 to the groups of people who took most, with isis in 2014. it's usually the extremist that end up in charge and usually the moderates who find themselves isolated, pushed out or in the worst case, killed. you mentioned iraq, it took them the better part of two

decades to get to a pretty decent place today but libya is still a mess and arguably, and a worse place than it was when governed by its terrible dictator. so there's a lot of history yet to play out. but we will see what happens. all the neighbors are obviously nervous. the iraqis and the jordanians are watching their borders closely, i think every authoritarian government in the region is now rethinking and being more cautious, from tehran, to cairo, to riyadh. >> so douglas, syria has been embroiled in the civil war for more than a decade, so what was the tipping point all of a sudden? >> that's a great question, and i don't think we know. i think a lot of people will be looking at the leaders all over

the world, they will be looking at their intelligence services and saying, how did you miss this, what was happening. i don't think any of us know, even the syria experts, the people who watch this in the day today, were obviously taken off guard by how quickly this all unfolded. so i think there will be a lot of retrospective, trying to figure out exactly what happened on the part of the rebels, was the regime always weaker than we thought, is this about iranians and russians obviously having other issues that they have to deal with or some combination of all of the above. there will be a lot of postmortems and i'm sure over at the cia, everyone is trying to figure out what they missed. >> talk about what is at stake for the u.s., we know there are some 900 u.s. servicemembers in the region right now, are they more vulnerable? >> not necessarily because the hts has made very clear that they do not have an issue with the united states. i think their immediate concern

in the short term is safety and security for the syrian people. basic services, food, medicine, getting the country back up and running and for them, in some ways the united states has mutual aligned interests, which is the united states, they want to make sure that syria does not fall into the control of isis and other more extremist groups, and that is something that would indirectly and directly benefit hts and the new syrian transitional government because they do not want to have a terrorist organization operating within their borders. but the u.s. has very important interest across the region. three of america's closest allies, jordan, israel and iraq are now going to be directly impacted by what happened in syria over the next several weeks and months and that will be important for the united states as it goes through its own transition with the new incoming administration and to put a finer point on it, president-elect trump said the un should not get involved but he sent that tweet out before it collapsed. i suspect that with the new

incoming administration they will reassess that position of not getting involved, the question is how will that be done? >> the biden administration says it won't rule out taking hts off the terrorist organization list, what is the calculation in doing that? >> it really reflects what ayman was talking about, wanting to see how hts conducts itself, what is happening in the interim. the u.s. is treading lightly here, and when you consider back in the iraq war experience where the u.s. declared anyone who was a part of the bat this party, unworkable to deal with going forward, and that had terrible repercussions. so taking it in a measured approach, that's what they're looking for in terms of where

does the power rise, is there stability, can they work with partners in the region, as the discussion here is unfolding, so much of the focus right now is getting people fed, getting the international relief organizations able to do their work in this space, and to make sure that in a time of uncertainty, that there is not a further instability, so the uss holding the potential for being a partner primarily for the neighboring states, where the u.s. has strong alliances and wanting to make sure that they can land whatever stability is possible with syria. it's a tenuous time and so big pronouncements are generally not helpful when so much is unknown. >> douglas, assad, notoriously used chemical weapons against his own people. he's gone, the arsenal still remains. overnight, israel said it struck chemical weapon sites, to try and prevent them from

falling into the hands of hostile actors. >> aside from blowing them up in place as the israelis have been doing, there's not much you can do. the encouraging point is the rhetoric from hts on these weapons has been somewhat moderate. we've seen some statements about handing over these weapons, so that they are not in their hands. we will see just how moderate this government is, but by renouncing their past, hts is talking about, they don't intend to bomb paris or manhattan but that doesn't mean that this is not a deeply islamist group, in best case, they would have some moderate kind of government going on in syria. lots of concern still out there, as to what this might look like, again, not to rain on the serious parade on the day after assad falls but prudent minds need to be

looking forward as to where this could go. >> thank you all so much for the conversation and back here at home, and intensifying manhunt. police releasing the photos of the person wanted for questioning after the killing of the unitedhealthcare ceo. what we know this hour. a civil lawsuit against rap legend jay-z, the allegations and his new response. and when we are back in just 90 seconds, the first broadcast interview since he became president elect. the sweeping changes donald trump is promising to s, thecar. . cool right? look at this craftmanship. i mean they even got my nostrils right. it's just nice to know that years after i'm gone this guy will be standing the test of ti... he's melting! oh jeez... nooo... oh gaa... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪

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welcome back, president- elect donald trump laying out some of his biggest priorities when he takes office in january. in his first postelection broadcast interview, an exclusive with nbc's kristin welker, trump talk about everything from his plans for tariffs to cracking down on immigration to calling for jail time for members of the january 6th committee without any evidence they violated the law. >> and cheney was behind it and so was benny thompson, and everybody on that committee, for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. >> you think liz cheney should go to jail? >> for what they did, anybody

that voted in favor -- >> are you going to direct your fbi director to send them to jail? >> i think they will have to look at that but i'm going to focus on drill, baby drill. >> joining us now dosha burns covering the transition and sarah matthews former deputy white house press secretary we may recall testify publicly, trump has talked about consequences for his political enemies but has he gone this far since he was elected? >> trump has made this sort of threat dozens of times, the difference now is it has more weight because he is the president elect, in the same interview, he also said that success would be his retribution, so this is kind of classic trump, where he says things that sound the alarm for his opponents, but at the same time, will say something else in the same interview, in the same conversation that will give ammunition to his defenders to say will look, he saying that he's going to focus

on the future not the past. now liz cheney is already responding, she said this is quote, and assault on the rule of law and the foundations of our public and because you see him kind of speak out of both sides of his mouth saying they should go to jail at the same time saying, no he won't direct his people to prosecute, you just don't know exactly what he's going to do. and so, you have folks like president biden now considering according to reports, potential preemptive pardons, for people like liz cheney, because we don't know the direction this is going to take. >> sarah, trump didn't actually direct anyone in his new administration to investigate these members but you work for him, how do you interpret what he said? >> i think what dasha raised when she said that he said that success will be my retribution is really interesting because the way that i interpret that, is that was a line that was fed to him by his advisors but the truth of the matter is that's not what he wants.

he does want in fact retribution on his political enemies, he said as much during the 2024 campaign while out on the trail and time and time again has repeatedly targeted folks like adam shiff and liz cheney, calling for liz cheney to go before a unitary tribunal. i do think that he would like to see these people jail. it remains to be seen if he would direct his fbi director or ag to actually carry out those things. time will only tell in that regard, but i do think that he does want to see them get some sort of revenge, or he does want to see some sort of revenge on them. but it remains to be seen what kind of crimes they would be charged with, if there were some sort of investigation because to me, their only crime was pursuing the truth and trump didn't like the truth which was that they uncovered that he didn't lift a finger that day on january 6th and he enjoyed what he was watching. >> do you think president biden

should issue preemptive pardons? >> i'll leave that to the biden administration to make that call, obviously, i don't think any crimes were committed, so i don't even know if pardons would be necessary. and i don't know if the people who received those pardons would even want them. but it might but more of a target on those folks if biden were to issue those pardons because like i said, i don't think any crimes were committed. so it may be a moot point. obviously, if trump does target them and come after them, obviously those people may have wanted pardons. that's a conversation that the biden folks would need to have within their own team, figuring out how to proceed. >> dasha, trump also addressed pardons for january 6th insurrectionists, tell us about where he's taking that? >> kristin welker pressed him on that. let's listen to what he said. >> i want to look at everything. >> okay. >> i'm going to be acting very quickly. >> within your first 100 days, first day? >> first day.

these people have been here 3 to 4 years. >> the first day he says, that has not been a popular position among voters. this is one of the topics that his campaign repeatedly tried to keep him away from but he continued to talk about it. again, he is the president- elect, no more campaigning, so he can do what he wants here. >> and i want to bring in lisa ruben, your reaction to these promises of pardons for january 6th rioters and would trump's new attorney general have legal grounds or standing to go after january 6th committee members? >> let's start with the second one first. the legal standing to go after the committee members, i know sarah mentioned this earlier, it's not clear what crimes they believe that these folks have

committed. but even if they were to articulate a basis for prosecuting these people, then we bump up against the constitutional protections that they have under the speech and debate clause, that's a clause of the constitution that generally immunizes members of congress for their conduct in executing their roles. that is why for example, congressman scott perry and senator lindsey graham fought back against the and in perry's case, the seizure of his phone, during these january 6th investigations because they claim they were just carrying out their duties as members of congress and in both cases, while federal investigators were able to proceed with perry on one hand and lindsey graham and the georgia investigation on others, there were able they were not able to explore and things they had to return because courts decided in both instances that there was a portion of their role that related to the work they were doing in congress. here, folks like liz cheney were carrying out the

congressional function of investigations. it'll be very difficult, i think, for the future department of justice to articulate why that protection is not available to folks like liz cheney or senator schiff. >> liz cheney in fact has come out with a statement essentially saying that she is not backing down, and there is no legal basis for him to go after. sarah, more than 1500 defendants now have been charged related to january 6th, more than 1200 have been convicted or pleaded guilty in the attack, and at least 645 have been sentenced to incarceration. some of those serving time assaulted police officers. is this square or how does this square with the gop's tough on crime message? >> yeah, it's very interesting that trump loves to run on backing the blue and things like that but that doesn't seem to apply to the police officers who he saw brutally assaulted on january 6th. this isn't necessarily surprising that he wants to follow through on this campaign promise, it's something he repeatedly said on the trail, evens played a special version of the national anthem before his rallies that honor the january 6th rioters, and he

believes they are patriots, why? because these people were there fighting for him, so he's probably going to follow through on this, i could see this happening on day one, him issuing the pardons to all of these folks who have been incarcerated for the crimes that they committed. and i just think, to the republican elected officials, who were in the building that day on january 6th, who issued statements in the aftermath, who were outraged at what happened that day and called it one of the darkest days, i'm thinking of folks like elise stefanik or mitch mcconnell, i can't imagine how they feel these years later's to see trump pardoning these folks. i imagine they will be silent even though they probably privately disagree. but many of them will not publicly disagreed. >> president-elect trump talked about his immigration plans and addressed ideas around ending birthright citizenship, take a listen. >> you promised to end birthright citizenship on day one, is that still your plan? >> absolutely. >> the 14th amendment that all

persons born in the united states are citizens, can you get around the 14th amendment? >> we maybe have to go back to the people but we have to ended, we are the only country that has it. you know we are the only country that has a, do you know, if somebody sets one foot, you don't need to, on our land, congratulations, you are now a citizen of the united states of america, yes, we are going to end that because it's ridiculous. >> through executive action? >> i was going to do it through executive action but then we had to fix covid first, to be honest with you. we have to ended. >> i want to note, 30 other countries recognize birthright citizenship. listen, what legal challenges can trump face and can he get around the 14th amendment? >> he can't, and the constitution does not fall to executive orders notwithstanding what president trump said to kristin over the

weekend. i think, should he try and revoke birthright citizenship from folks who are born in this country to noncitizen parents, you can expect a very swift response from allies, challenging that in court. but the idea that somebody i think, if i understand it right, has one foot in the united states and the other foot and one of our bordering countries and somehow, gives birth in that instance is someone who is a citizen, it's preposterous. when people are born in the united states, our constitution says, that they are entitled to citizenship. there's no other way to construe that provision, that was enacted as part of the reconstruction amendments and if trump wants to do something about that, he can propose a constitutional convention but an eo is not going to do it. >> thank you, ladies, for the conversation. up next, the manhunt widens. police, scrambling to find the gunmen who killed unitedhealthcare ceo in manhattan. new details about a backpack.

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unitedhealthcare ceo in new york city, the gunmen is still on the loose and police say they haven't recovered a weapon. over the weekend, the nypd did release these new photos of a person of interest, inside and outside of the taxi and we are learning more about the search for evidence including scuba divers in central park and a backpack recovered in that park. sam brock joins us in new york and also mary ellen o'toole, former profiler. bring us the latest on the investigation. >> reporter: those new photos are part of this cache of visuals that the nypd has released to try and find the person responsible for killing brian thompson. they believe that that person is no longer in the city. multiple law enforcement officers telling nbc news that as of now, the person has not been identified. investigators are still looking for the bike, looking for the firearm as that recovered backpack does offer some promise in the investigation.

with a quickly expanding manhunt still underway this morning -- >> the net is tightening and we are going to bring this person to justice. >> police have released two new photos of a person of interest, wanted for questioning in the midtown murder of the unitedhealthcare ceo, ryan thompson. one shows a man wearing a black headed jacket and a surgical mask in the back of a taxi and the other, a man on the sidewalk. police say they are from the same taxi that he took shortly after the murder. the nypd says it has video of the man entering the bus center wednesday morning but not leaving. >> we also have reason to believe that the person in question has left new york city. >> investigators combing central park over the weekend with nypd's elite scuba dive team scouring the lake according to two law enforcement sources for the firearm used in the murder. after a gray backpack was recovered in the park friday that police believe belonged to

the gunmen. three sources say a jacket was found inside but it's unclear if it's the same one that was worn by the shooter and two sources says investigators also found monopoly money. >> you look at it like, some purpose of that, like why monopoly money? >> detective say dna evidence is still being processed. as for the potential of the shooter that he took out of town, they don't know which one you might have boarded, the nypd said. some destinations include buffalo, buffalo, washington dc and philadelphia. in the wake of the murder, backlash against the insurance agency. >> i don't think anyone should feel bad about this. >> from a shooter look-alike contest in new york city to comments in -- online. the company says they are partnering with local law enforcement to ensure a safe work environment and reinforce security. >> reporter: in addition to the scuba search, another senior law enforcement official saying that multiple other searches were conducted after due

diligence and local subway stations around the area obviously, no weapon has been found so far. >> we have these new photos released by the nypd that shows this person of interest wanted for questioning of the murder. more photos like the evidence as well, but no weapon, still, no name. five days later, does that surprise you? >> it really doesn't. in part, because, there would be -- they are being extremely cautious to make sure everything is done correctly but when you are using forensic evidence like fingerprints and dna, you have to have something to compare it to and they are using the traditional databases and it appears as though this person is not in the database but that is not stopping the nypd. they still have other ways to identify someone and once he is identified, they can bring back that forensic science and

confirm who he is. >> based on what we do know, the clothes that he was wearing, the path that he took, the hostile stay, what kind of profile would you build on this guy? >> well, it's, you know, it's challenging because you know, you don't have all of the information. i think listening to the possibility that there was monopoly money that was found in his backpack, to me, it's really very interesting. it's, it's almost as though this is a game like the game of monopoly, to him, which is, he's giving something to the police. is he rewarding the police because they found the backpack and that mindset of a game player is consistent with writing words on bullets and casings and leaving those at the scene, knowing they are going to be found by law enforcement, just like knowing the backpack is going to be found. so if this comes down to a

game, then that mindset is troubling to me because that could suggest that this is perhaps, not the end of the crime spree for this person. certainly, we hope not, and the theories have to be considered though. you never know just absolutely one theory when you're analyzing a case and i will also say this, if this person has no experience in doing what he's been involved in right now, he has to realize that in normandy, the intensity of this investigation, and that absolutely has to impact him in a negative way, and certainly, that would be the best scenario for right now is that he would be very aware of just what the force is that is being focused on him by both the nypd and the fbi. >> it is a nationwide manhunt underway. got to leave it there for now, thank you for sharing your expertise with us. up next on ana cabrera reports, how rap legend jay-z is responding to allegations in

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breaking news out of the music world, a civil lawsuit accuses jay-z whose real name is shawn carter, ofa 13-year- old girl in 2000 along with sean "diddy" combs. in a new statement, jay-z vehemently denies the allegations. sean combs attorneys deny them as well. lara, what can you tell us. >> nice to be with you, ever since the federal indictment against sean combs came down, there's been a close look at these parties that he was known for hosting and which celebrities may have been there but the legal fallout around the star had been relatively contained, until now. this morning, disturbing new claims against music icon jay-

z, a civil lawsuit detailing sexual assault originally brought against his longtime friend, sean "diddy" combs, now adding new allegations against the rapper, whose real name is shawn carter, and it claims -- both deny the claims. >> the 13-year-old at the time -- she says, combs hosted an after party in 2000 and she recalls accepting a drink from a waitress that made that made her feel lightheaded.

jay-z says i implore you to file a criminal complaint, not a civil one, whomever would commit such a crime against a minor should be locked away. my heart and support goes out to the true victims in the world. the billionaire, who is married to megastar dion say saying he is heartbroken and the couple will have to explain the cruelty and greed of people to their children. combs has denied any allegations of sexual assault. earlier this fall, the plaintiffs attorney tony busby, held a press conference after combs was indicted on federal sex trafficking charges suggesting more fallout would follow. >> i expect that through this process many powerful people will be exposed. >> combs pleaded not guilty to the charges and continues to deny the accusations in a string of civil lawsuits, which combs attorneys have dismissed as shameless publicity stunts. but this marks the first suit publicly naming another high profile celebrity. >> in a statement posted online last night, the plaintiffs attorney acknowledged sending jay-z a letter seeking a confidential mediation, that was prior to filing this complaint against jay-z but he

says his client never demanded a penny from the star at the time, though now of course, she is seeking an unspecified amount in damages. >> thank you. deliberations are back underway this morning in the trial of daniel penny who is accused of using a deadly chokehold on 30-year-old jordan neely on a new york city subway last year. but today's deliberations are different than last week because the judge dismissed the highest charge of manslaughter on friday, after the jury said they were deadlocked. let's go to . what is the jury still considering now? >> reporter: we've got to consider the lesser charge as you mentioned, and that is criminally negligent homicide in this comes after they were in the courtroom this morning,

before the jurors went in, the defense, once again, requested a mistrial in the case which the judge denied. the defense is concerned that there might be some sentiment on the part of the jury, thinking that since the judge has taken out the manslaughter charge, that gives them some leeway to consider an unpleasant verdict for the defense on the lesser charge. the judge disagreed with that and set disagree that there should be a mistrial but we should mention it was on friday that the prosecution had asked the court to simply dismiss the manslaughter charge because the jurors had said twice to the judge they were hopelessly deadlocked on that charge. so, at that request, the judge took manslaughter off the table. as you mentioned, it is day five of deliberations for this jury, they have only one charge that they have to consider and that is the criminally negligent charge, this particular charge, if he's convicted, carries a four year prison term but he could get less than that.

>> beyond the sentencing being different, what exactly is the difference in terms of what the prosecution had to prove for this lesser charge versus the manslaughter charge? >> well, the manslaughter charge is the attempt that again, that the chokehold itself was actually what caused jordan neely's death, and the criminally negligent daniel penny paid no attention to the fact that murder could occur as a result of his actions. and that he criminally was not paying attention to that, some may have argued and the defense did argue that this was never the intention of daniel penny, to cause death, and it's interesting that the prosecution even in the closing arguments said that what daniel penny started out doing was laudable, that was his words, but he said daniel penny just went too far, again, daniel penny has consistently insisted that he did not intend to cause

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