welcome back. it's 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. with just 42 days until inauguration day, we are learning new, exclusive details about president-elect donald trump's vision for the white house and this country. in his first television interview since winning a second term, he addressed many issues, including the economy, telling my colleague kristen welker that he cannot guarantee americans won't face higher prices as a result of his promise to impose new tariffs. >> you are now row posing e prs

against our three biggest -- >> i don't believe it. >> you can guarantee american families won't pay more? >> i can't guarantee anything. i can't guarantee tomorrow. if you look at my pre-covid, we had greatest economy in the history of the country. i had a lot of tariffs on countries. in particular, china. i think tariffs are the most beautiful word. it's going to make us rich. >> joining us now, dasha burns, also with us victoria defrancesco soto and matthew dowd. dasha, this was a wide-ranging interview. so much more. what else are we learning about the president-elect's plans? >> so much to unpack. the top priority of the economy was a big topic. one of his other promises, which was reforming immigration.

one of the key issues that kristen welker drilled in on was his plan to not just close the border but to deport many, many people who are in this country, including potentially people who were born here to parents who are undocumented. he says he wants to end birthright citizenship, which has all sorts of legal complications. he also talked about a topic that his campaign wanted him to stay away from, january 6. he wanted to see the people on the january 6 committee put in jail. he did say that he wasn't going to direct necessarily his fbi director or his ag to prosecute. kristen welker asked him about other americans that did not vote for him. listen to what he said. >> i want to ask you, sir, one final question. what do you want to say to americans who didn't support you in this campaign? >> i'm going to treat you every bit as well as i have treated

the greatest maga supporters. there's never been anything like maga in the history of this country. these people are so dedicated to making america great again. it's very simple. i'm going to treat them the same as i treat maga. >> one of the things that wasn't popular among his owe pponents some republicans was his promise to pardon some of the january 6 rioters. he told our kristen welker he plans to pardon them on day one. >> dasha burns, thanks for ticking through that for us. matthew, back to inflation and the cost of living, the two top issues that helped trump win. what are the political implications of prices if they don't come down, maybe they go up? >> political implications are awful. first, happy holidays to you. >> you too. >> thank you. i think this combination of the

tariffs and of what he plans to do with immigrants could be death knells to our economy. it will raise prices. data shows in the history of tariffs is the last time we did big tariffs, that forced us into the great depression. i think this -- his idea on immigration will hurt the ag industry. hurt the hospitality industry. hurt the construction industry. i think he has to be very careful. i think there's going to be cooler heads will prevail at some point in this. because i think if he is given the data and shown this could hurt the economy, he is in for a real uphill climb in getting anything done by congress. >> i want to expand on what we heard, victoria, another topic was vaccines and robert f. kennedy junior who he picked to lead the department of health and human services. here is some of that. >> let me ask you about rfk junior. he has talked about his

skepticism of vaccines. he expressed opposition to childhood vaccines. do you want to see childhood vaccines eliminated? >> if they are dangerous for the children children. if you look at what's going on with disease and sickness in our country, something is wrong. >> are you talking about autism? >> if you look at autism, go back 25 years, autism was almost non-existent. one out of 100,000. now it's close to one out of 100. >> victoria, there's no evidence of a link between vaccines and autism as hundreds of studies have found childhood vaccines to be safe. what does this signal about what we could expect from the health and human services administration in a second trump administration? >> we see the bubbling up of movements we have seen in different states across the country, both blue and red, in terms of vaccine hesitancy.

it hadn't gotten to the point of the federal level where you had a national figurehead really putting forward these ideas now in the form of an rfk junior. this is where we're going to see where the united states as a country lands on this, whether they decide to stick with the science, stick with the data, or allow it to be an issue that's up for public opinion debate. i think that's one piece of it. when i think about rfk junior, obviously, we think about vaccines. it's a mismatch with -- there's that piece of him, but he is also very much about natural food organic food. there's interesting bedfellows in terms of more traditional republicans who don't want government interference into what you do and eat and what you take and rfk junior. it's going to be a brave new world we're entering in everything, especially with

regard to the realm of health. >> matthew, how much of what trump is laying out is concrete policy plans versus just maybe fan service to his base and those that may be skeptical of science and government, et cetera? >> that's a great question. i think one of the answers he gave in the interview on health care was, i have concepts of a plan. i don't think he has a lot of detail. i think before people go too far into hyperbole, i think on so many things other than the things he announced he wants do, we have to wait and see. i have a feeling -- donald trump is more interested in the performance art of this and how it comes across as opposed to actually what happens -- is much of what he is going to do that people find dangerous and troubling is symbolic. small acts that get people riled up but don't achieve the ends he says he wants in this. lots of details missing.

i don't think donald trump really wants to fill in the details. he is more interested in the performance art of the symbolism than in actually accomplishing policy ends. >> one thing i notice, victoria, in that interview was there was less combativeness from donald trump. as we heard when kristen asked, what's your message to americans who didn't vote for you, trump said, i'm going to treat you every bit as well as i have treated the greatest maga supporters. should that provide reassurance to voters who may be fearful of a second trump administration? >> it was indeed a surprisingly conciliatory tone, especially if we think back to his victory speech on election night. we didn't see that conciliatory tone. i think that does give hope. we all agree th this country is terribly divided and all of us want to -- most of us want to come together and heal the

divides. i hope that this is the direction that we're going in, because i do think that there is a true hunger. and in terms of turning the page, an election was won by a president from focusing on the future. >> victoria, matthew, thank you both. still ahead, we will delve into another portion of the interview. american citizens deported. more on what trump is saying about potential immigration plans. we will talk to a dreamer about the stakes. law enforcement widening their manhunt in the death of unitedhealthcare's ceo. celebrations in syria as the assad regime collapses. what's next for the war-torn country and the region? we are back in 90 sends. ondition and get samsung galaxy s24+ with circle to search,

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one used during the shooting last wednesday in midtown manhattan when brian thompson was shot and killed at approximately 6:46 a.m. repeating the news, there's a person that is being questioned by law enforcement. nypd detectives are en route to altoona, pennsylvania. an individual was taken into custody for having a weapon similar to the type that was used. you remember a unique weapon used in the course of this shooting. is it definitively him? that work is ongoing. that's the reason why we wouldn't put out a name just yet. as far as this investigation goes, it appears they have had perhaps their most significant break to date. however, it's going to require more work. as we said on "nbc nightly news" last night, they have to do a lot of work to match this individual to the evidence. they will need to do that as well. wanted to bring the news to you as soon as my colleague and i had it, which is a man has been

taken into custody in altoona, pennsylvania, the central part of the state. soon nypd detectives, because he had a weapon similar to the type used in the shooting. we will continue to work on this. that's what we have. >> tom, stay with me. i want to bring in retired nypd officer jill snyder. your thoughts on this new development? >> i knew it was going to happen sooner or later. i'm glad someone hopefully picked up the phone and called 911. this is breaking news. we're all hearing about it now. police are en route. nypd is en route to question the person of interest to see -- finding out there was a firearm very similar to the firearm used in the shooting. that just really is impressive work. >> tom, we are looking at images of the person of interest, of the suspect in some of the surveillance videos. there were images we were showing during your last answer where we saw the suspect in the

new pictures inside a taxi or this person of interest inside a taxicab and another shot outside. what more do we know in terms of additional evidence and clues that developed over the weekend? what may have tipped the police off that he had, in fact, fled new york city? >> right. the last video camera they have -- i will apologize, because i'm texting. my phone looks like a zoo right now. i think at this stage, i would look at this as a significant development in the investigation. that's reporting from jonathan and myself. this is a significant development in this investigation. that's what we have. as far as where the trail went cold, it was on video surveillance at the port authority bus terminal. there's two in new york. most people know the one near midtown. this is near the george washington bridge in manhattan. that's where they lost him. where he nt from there, there was no evidence that tied him to a specific place.

if this was -- the arrest was made by the pennsylvania state police, they coordinate with the nypd, the new jersey state police. they would be on top of this. they have a terrific police and investigative body, particularly in that type of state. i know some of the people that have been involved in this over the years because they investigated the sexual abuse by former penn state football coach jerry sandusky. the state police put that together. to give you a sense of their skills. at this point, this is what is believed to be a significant development. not confirmed it's the suspect. it does appear that they have at least gotten their first break. whether it pans out in an arrest we will find out. >> the breaking news right now, police are questioning a man in pennsylvania in part because he was found with a gun similar to the one used in the shooting. i'm curious your thoughts in terms of what types of questions law enforcement would ask this

person. what are your questions this morning knowing what we have in terms of evidence and clues that have been gathered to this point? >> over the weekend, the only real thing that we saw develop was two extra photos come out in new york city from the taxicab and by the port authority. like i said a few minutes ago, the way in which the pennsylvania police most likely were able to find this person of interest was through a phone call, through a tip. i haven't heard of anything else. tom hasn't mentioned it either, anything that would lead us to believe that this is the suspect. the fact that we do have him in custody right now, i'm sure they're going to ask his whereabouts over the last week, probably more so the last two weeks. they will ask him where the gun came from. we vent heard any reports that he is licensed or unlicensed to carry a firearm. i'm sure that's going to be taken into consideration. where does he work? where does live? where does his family live? most importantly, they will want to track his whereabouts.

>> i keep looking at the he pictures, they would know who they are looking for, what that person might look like. much more to come. we will let you work your sources tom. jillian, stand by and we will continue to follow this story. breaking news, potentially a break in the case involving the health care ceo -- killing of the health care ceo in new york. we are following breaking news in the middle east in syria, the toppling of a dynasty with assad family. a civil war that lasted nearly 14 years there. richard engel has the latest from inside syria. >> reporter: it is how all dictators go.

crowds tore down a statue of the now former president assad's father, the dynasty that ruled with an iron fist. we saw the same scenes as pictures were defaced at the border crossing where we entered syria this morning from lebanon. we are inside syria. we crossed the border. you can see there are no controls anymore. the government is gone. there are rebels, gunmen on the street. the regime has collapsed. you notice that the second you enter this country. the mood is welcoming. people are proud of this new dawn. still in disbelief that assad is really gone. as we drove to the capital, we passed boys cheering. in the end, it was the army. soldiers refused to fight. they faded away and ran as the

rebels, led by islamists, rolled into damascus unopposed. the rebels' leader is promising moderation and to work for all syrians. he ordered his forces to prevent looting and leave civilians unharmed. so far, they appear to be doing that. the rebels' first priority appears to be breaking into syrian prisons to free thousands of political prisoners kept in horrific conditions of torture and deprivation. syrians are rummaging through assad's empty palaces and seeing his lost life of privilege. his fleet of luxury vehicles, sports cars. he won't need them in russia. the russian foreign ministry confirmed assad and his family arrived in moscow, given asylum for humanitarian reasons. syria has a new hope, new possibilities and significant challenges as the map of the

middle east is being redrawn by the hour. >> thanks to richard ngel. you served on the national security council during the arab spring. how do you see this moment? >> i have mixed feelings. back then when i was handling this at the beginning, i used to say it was not a matter of if but when assad would fall. i was wrong a little bit back then, because it took 13 years. on one hand, i'm overjoyed to see this brutal dictator and war criminal run like a coward to moscow where he will not leave any time soon unless it's to vacation in north korea. i'm happy to see that. i'm watching the people in the street and the prisons get

released, the political prisoners who are been detained and tortured, some up to 50 years. this dates back for the entire oppression and oppressive rule. i'm excited to see that. i'm very cautious and very concerned about syria's future. i would be remiss not to mention that, because the group that has taken damascus is an islamist militia group. while they isavowed ties with terrorists, that doesn't mean it's not seeking some control led by a conservative if not extreme sunni ideology as they have controlled that way in the northwest of syria up until today. in addition to that, is the fact you have other rebel groups and other militias across syria that seek to pursue their agenda when you have a power vacuum.

exciting for them but i'm cornhusker concerned. >> the u.s. carried out strikes against i.s.i.s. there. what is the risk of i.s.i.s. re-established a foothold? how can that be avoided? >> the risk is high. when we defeated i.s.i.s. in 2018 and we did so with our coalition partners and the kurds on the ground, that's a very important ally of ours. since that time, we have about just under 1,000 u.s. troops stationed in northeast syria to support the kurds in their effort to back then and to protect them against the turks who don't want to see them there. most importantly, to support them in this to prevent the re-emergence of i.s.i.s. you still have fighters who disbanded and went away. they don't disappear even if the organization doesn't control the area anymore. the priority of the biden administration and the u.s. is

to ensure the continued protection of those kurds and their support and to prevent the re-emergence of i.s.i.s. to make sure they don't -- to nip that in the bud, so they don't have any opportunity to try to make a reemergence. that's the priority of the biden administration and i hope in addition to that the release of austin ice who is believed to be alive and well. >> he is believed to be alive, according to president biden who was asked specifically about austin tice yesterday. he signalled that they are working to confirm some information related to his whereabouts, his status. the biden administration said it's not going to rule out taking hts, this rebel group, which is previously having tied to al qaeda and other extremist organizations, they aren't ruling it off taking it off the list of foreign terrorist

organizations. i'm hearing you say hts cannot be trusted. >> yeah. to be fair, you can disavow global terrorism and your ties with al qaeda, meaning you are not going to seek to pursue terrorist operations abroad for a political or ideological goal and you can still be an extreme islamist militia that rules in a repress receive islamic way, in an extreme way. the proof is in the pudding. we can only watch how they governed the northwest of syria, which is what they were governing up until today. the way they governed, it wasn't like the taliban. i don't want to make it as extreme at that. we have to understand that this is a group that considers themselves, quote, mild jihadists, that rule with this conservative, radical islamic way. in the northwest of syria, they repressed minorities, cracked down on freedom of speech, jailed and tortured activists. you had many women there who

felt unsafe and left the northwest of syria for that reason. they were not required to wear a veil. it's somewhere in the middle. we are just going to have to see if actions speak louder than words. they have come out to claim that they embrace diversity, that they understand the diversity of syria, there are many minority groups, christians, jews, other factions. like you said -- like richard said, they have not -- they kept fair to their word not to repress or threaten any minorities. we will have to see. we have to look at their history. i'm very concerned. i have not seen an islamist militia stick to their word. we will have to see. >> thank you very much for joining us. we will have more on that breaking news just ahead. a potential break in the investigation into the murder of unitedhealthcare's ceo. woah, limu! we're in a parade.

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we are back with more on the breaking news we brought you a short time ago. there are new developments in the hunt for a suspect in the shooting death of unitedhealthcare's ceo brian thompson. a man has been detaped for questioning in pennsylvania. sam brock is in new york city. and jim kavanaugh is with us. sam, catch us up. >> reporter: my colleagues, they

have been in touch with multiple law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation who say a man right now is being questioned in central pennsylvania, altoona, that may or may not lead to a direct connection to the assassination or murder of brian thompson here in midtown manhattan. it's 4 1/2 hours driving from new york city out there. nypd detectives are on their way out right now to assist in the questioning and to see what information they can obtain. the primary reason we're being told right now that he is being questioned is because of the type of weapon this man possessed. on late friday, the chief of detectives for nypd talked about the fact they were looking into a veterinary gun may have been used. it's a larger firearm. it's quieter. it's used on farms to put down animals. it's not a common firearm. there's the potential that exists that the person being

questioned may possess that weapon. a couple of other things we know is that dna evidence is in the process of being examined right now. haven't heard back where that's landed. that comes from the starbucks purchase on wednesday morning. the dna is being processed. the last known sighting we have of the person of interest is at 7:30, according to police, as of this hour, at the port authority bus station just -- right in the vicinity of the george washington bridge. if you go on the website and see destinations that buses go to there, there's dozens of them. some of them are in pennsylvania. it's all from philadelphia to binghamton to buffalo to washington, d.c. there are a lot of possibilities. we heard that they had the person of interest going into the bus center, not leaving, which led them to believe he probably fled the city. here we are right now with this late breaking information that a man is being questioned in altoona, pennsylvania. we don't know whether or not it's directly connected to this

situation or if he is the person police are looking for. those are the questions being had right now. >> jim, how significant is this? how might it reorient the investigation? >> well, you know, i don't think it's significant at all. i don't think that's a well-rod pistol or new version of a pistol. i watched that video where the shooter fires the gun. clearly, the gun spoke comes out of the breach just like a typical semiautomatic handgun. a well-rod or a version of a well-rod -- there's newer versions -- is a gun that shoots from a closed breach. the slide doesn't go back when the bullet fires. no gun smoke is going to come out of the top. he is working the slide on the gun as he walks. ejecting the live rounds. well-rods don't work like that. there's no slide on a well-rod.

you manually pull it back. sometimes you have to dump the round upside down. to me, all his actions, i don't see that's a well-rod pistol. it looks to me like a semiautomatic, some common variety. it could be many makes. it's a silencer affixed. veterinary guns have a silencer, but all guns that have silencers look similar to that large gun. i don't see this lead as being even a strong lead. if you watch the video, if you can get to see it, the smoke comes out of the top of the breach of the gun. a well-rod will not act like that. i don't think this is a viable lead. >> i'm glad you are able to point to the fact we need to be careful how we proceed. that's why police are saying that they are questioning a person who may be connected. but they haven't gone as far as to say it's the guy. there was a gun similar to the one used in the shooting on this person that they are questioning. gotta leave it there.

we will bring you back if we get more details. thank you both. we have new breaking news as the jury has just come to a unanimous decision in the daniel penny case. nbc's antonia hylton is outside the courthouse for us. lisa rubin is here with us. walk us through the verdict and where this takes us in the case. >> reporter: the verdict from the jury is that daniel penny has been found not guilty. that is of the second lesser charge that he was facing, which events of last week, this jury made up of an anonymous group, were deadlocked on the initial manslaughter charge. prosecutors then asked the judge to dismiss that so the jury could move to considering the second lesser felony. the jury has now come back after only about an hour of discussion with this not guilty verdict.

they spent more than 23 hours in deliberations over this case that has become something of a fault line here in the new york area. we are incredibly conscientious throughout the process. they sent numerous notes back to the judge to ask for clarification, additional explanations, to review evidence and testimony one more time. that's really a reflection of just the difficulty, the discussion and debate that's happened in this city at large. some arguing here in new york that daniel penny is a hero who took necessary action that day in may of 2023. prosecutors say that he held jordan neely in a chokehold for six minutes. they said he was protecting his fellow new yorkers. others -- you may hear behind me there's a crowd that have gathered here to support jordan

neely. they say it's about social justice, racial justice. the lack of support for people suffering with mental health challenges. the lack of support for people who are experiencing homelessness. all of which deeply impacted jordan neely for many years leading up to his death. this is certainly going to continue to be an emotional and charged moment here in the city. our team on the inside of the courtroom says upon hearing the verdict, people were immediately emotional. his supporters cheering and relieved. others just absolutely devastated, immediately crying. some escorted out of the court because of their reactions. >> we are learning neely's father is among those who were tossed out of the courtroom for yelling, we are told, according to our reporters inside the courtroom. lisa, talk to us about the evidence that we saw come out during this trial that may have led to this verdict. >> first of all, there were more than 40 witnesses over the course of the trial, including

people who experienced these events in real time sitting on the same subway car. some testified that they were afraid of jordan neely as this episode unfolded. that may have had an impact on the jury, which was asked to assess with respect to both of the counts they were asked to consider, whether the district attorney's office had proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was justification for what penny had done. you could only find a guilty verdict as to one. if they had found him guilty on manslaughter, they would have never moved to the charge they determined today. as we know from last week, they could not reach a verdict with respect to the manslaughter count. finding somebody guilty on manslaughter requires two things. first, you have to prove the person was reckless. secondly, you have to find that the district attorney failed to

prove to you as a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the person had a lack of justification for their actions. that's where based on the notes that the jury sent the judge it seems like they were hung up. the reason that's important is because that lack of justification issue also presents in a criminally negligent count. if the jury was unable to reach a resolution amongst themselves finding that the d.a. proved beyond a reasonable doubt that there was no justification, like likely they won't find it to the other count. it's not surprising, particularly after a weekend break, which is never good for prosecutors, that this jury then came to a fairly quick conclusion given how many hours they had spent before to acquit daniel penny. >> they had just come back within the last couple of hours to begin on the second lesser charge. the breaking news here, daniel penny found not guilty. lisa, we know jordan neely's

family filed a civil suit. does the verdict in this case impact that? >> not necessarily. the law is rife with examples of people who are acquitted in criminal cases and yet find justice with respect to civil accountability. the best example is with respect to fred goldman's -- i'm sorry, ron goldman being the man who was murdered alongside nicole brown simpson, even though oj was never found criminally guilty for those two murders, fred goldman, the father along with his daughter then sued oj civilly and won a large verdict with respect to civil liability for oj simpson. there are many other examples of similar disjuncture between criminal court and with respect to a wrongful death action by a family. >> as this news is sinking in, talk to us about what's happening outside the courthouse. we hear protesters.

>> reporter: there are -- yes. there are several dozen protesters here chanting, outraged. the majority of the people here right outside the court are supporters of jordan neely who have been talking about the need for mental health care, racial justice in new york city. our cameraman will try to swing so you can see a little of what's happening here. at times things have gotten tense this morning. protesters have yelled at reporters here and asked us questions. they have been very anxious about what's happening inside. also, at times, it's gotten so loud, in fact, that our team in the courtroom shared with us that it became a discussion point among daniel penny's team and the judge. penny's team came forward and raised concern that some of the remarks made by the protesters here could be interpreted as threatening to the jury, could sway their opinion in some way. the judge dismissed that. it doesn't appear to have swayed them. the jury came back with a not guilty verdict pretty shortly

after that. it has been incredibly tense here. again, as i said before, this is a case that has become this fault line in new york. it's a case that seems to have brought together so much discussion new yorkers are having in their daily life about public safety, about security, about the availability of health care for some people. they see connections between other cases. i covered the case of a man experiencing homelessness and mental illness who stabbed three new yorkers just a few weeks ago. all of this seems to be converging at this critical moment. the story and the heartbreak people feel over it is certainly really the heart of it. >> lisa, final thought? >> one of the things that came across is the jury was not polled here in delivering their verdict. nobody asked the jurors one at a time to confirm that this is their verdict. we didn't hear from the people who are on this jury. one thing that i'm curious about is whether or not there are

people on the jury who feel like they want to speak out because if they could not reach a unanimous verdict to find him guilty, based on the prior experiences, they may have concluded they were never going to reach a unanimous verdict, that doesn't mean there weren't people on this jury who would have voted to find daniel penny guilty, particularly given how fraught this case is, given what else is going on in the city of new york, as antonia was describing. i will be curious to see if jurors want to tell their story to folks like us. >> thank you so much. appreciate you both. up next, a deal for dreamers? we will talk to the executive director of united we dream about what the president-elect says he will do for undocumented immigrants brought to the u.s. as children. >> we will do something about the dreamers. >> what are you going to do? >> work with the democrats on a plan. starting a business is never easy, but starting it eight months pregnant.. that's a different story.

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welcome back. president-elect donald trump says he doesn't want to break up families as he plans to implement a major crackdown on undocumented immigrants. what does it mean for the estimated millions -- 4 million families in america who have mixed immigration status? take a listen. >> well, i don't want to be breaking up families. the only way you don't break up the family is you keep them together. you have to accepted them all back.

we don't have to separate families. we will send the whole family back. the family is not separated. if they come here illegally but their family is here legally, then the family has a choice. the person that came in illegally can go out or they can all go out together. >> julia ainsley has more on the implications here. what more did trump reveal about his plan for undocumented immigrants, in particular dreamers? >> reporter: he said he was willing to work with democrats on a plan for dreamers. that seems to be something he says he is open to. we have to point out the first trump administration, one of his earliest moves was to try to end daca that protected children brought into this country illegally by their parents. now he seems to say they are the lowest priority for deportations. he wants to work on a plan to keep them here. he also said that he wants to end birthright citizenship. that means any child born inside the united states, even if they

are born to someone really legally allowed to live here, it's in the constitution. if he wants to work with congress on a constitutional amendment, he seems to be willing to go down that path. i want to split apart what he is saying that you played about separating families. kristen specifically pushed him on zero tolerance. that was the policy in 2018 that separated families crossing the border, taking parents and children apart with no plan to reunite them. what he is talking about is what would happen to families who are in the united states if they have a u.s. citizen child. what he is saying they could leave together. of course, that would mean the children having to decide to go live with their parents. i.c.e. doesn't have the authority. he is not committing to what he would do on the border and whether he would bring back a policy like the one he did in 2018. >> julia anz insley, thank you.

you are on top of all things immigration and will follow new developments as the new administration gets going. joining us is the executive director of united we dream. she's a daca recipient. thanks for joining us. i want yuri action to what we heard from president-elect trump. he talks about deporting families together. at the same time, working with democrats to provide some kind of legal status for dreamers. >> it's great to be with you this morning. my initial reaction is, we're not going to be fooled. i remember january of 2018 when a bipartisan group of democrats and republicans took a deal to then president trump and part of his way in which he talked about haitian immigrants destroyed the deal. we know that the daca program that protects me and hundreds of thousands of young people is at

the courts backed by his allies in texas and across the states that are trying to destroy it and make me and hundreds of thousands of people deportable. the reality is that immigrant young people like myself have been waiting for protection that has not been delivered by the democrats or the republicans. we will always be ready to protect our people. what that moment also reminds us is that when donald trump threatens to have mass deportation, that means stabilities in chicago, new york, it means that all of us as americans are unsafe in the streets, in the grocery stores. i think this is a real moment of all of us understanding that although the immigrants are the initial targets, it is all of our safety that is at stake. >> you sound so courageous. what are you hearing from other dreamers and their families about their concerns and their worries? >> i mean, i've been on the phone with friends that are

wanting me to walk through with them the deportation plans and what happens if they are deported. i have been on the phone with mothers that want an answer of what's going to happen to their children should they be separated. what is true in this moment is that immigrant people, we have always been resilient. this is not going to change it. immigrants have always been a good part of america. this moment is not going to change that. it is going to require for state and local elected officials to take action, for teachers to continue to be courageous, health care providers to stand in the way and protect immigrants. yeah, i wish i didn't have to be this courageous. but i love this country so much. my parents gave everything so that we could have an opportunity to live here. i have lived here more than 30 years. have worked in this democracy movement for the last 20. i just want our country to be better than this moment of division. i'm ready to do the work. >> how is your organization then

preparing for mass deportations? >> in this moment, there's hundreds of thousands of community organizations that are preparing to know your rights and teaching people about our constitutional rights in this moment. there's many, many legal service providers that are ensuring they are doing intakes on immigrants in this moment. many allies. there's hundreds of thousands of people that have joined our network that are ready to take action and defend their neighbor, defend their community. because even though donald trump says he might want to be humane and deport families together, what does it mean for our neighbor? what does it mean that we have become families together? is he going to deport us to keep our communities together? we are ensuring that we are keeping our people informed. we are calling other people to action to help us. we are reminding others that when immigrants are not safe, we are all not safe. >> thank you for joining us and sharing your thoughts and plans with us.

we appreciate it. back to breaking news in the manhunt for the unitedhealthcare gunman. sam brock is back and jim kavanaugh and jillian snyder. sam, you have new information? >> reporter: that's right. we do. we know -- just to get folks caught up -- someone is being questioned right now in altoona, pennsylvania. a 4 1/2 hour drive from midtown manhattan. detectives are on their way to assist in the questioning. here is what we have from my colleagues. first, three senior officials say the suspect was seen by customers at a mcdonald's in altoona. they thought he looked suspicious. they called police. two senior officials say when police arrived, they noticed he had a fake i.d. he was taken into the station for questioning at the police station. authorities discovered he had a gun similar to the one used in the killing of the ceo. it had apotentially

veterinary type gun. talking about the fact they were investigating that possibility. the type of weapon used on farms and ranches to put down animals. not a normal firearm you would see every day. could potentially be linked to the person who is being questioned. these are the new developments that we have. i will add that it was only earlier this morning that the last known sighting that anyone was aware of was at 7:30 a.m. wednesday morning for the person of interest at the port authority bus stop near the gw bridge. police had said they did not have any video evidence of this individual, the two photos released over the weekend as well, getting on a particular bus. they didn't know which bus he might have been on had he fled the city. there were a number of possible destinations which included places like pennsylvania, washington, d.c., boston, buffalo, binghamton. there were a bunch of ways this

could have gone. the person being questioned right now, we don't know if it is the person of interest that the nypd has been searching for a manhunt that sprawled across multiple states. police believe strongly there's a good chance he fled the city that morning, wednesday morning. here we are now on monday. an individual is being questioned. it appears he was contacted or police were contacted because several customers at a mcdonald's saw someone who looked suspicious and called police. >> sam, thank you. jillian, the suspect seen by customers at mcdonald's. they thought he looked suspicious. they called police. how important is community awareness in these investigations? does it strike you, jillian, that police are not saying or confirming one way or another whether the person they are talking to looks like the man in the images we have seen? >> i think it would be premature for law enforcement officials to give that information. i think it's amazing that community members are being

invested in the case and they saw someone they deemed suspicious. something that i think is noteworthy is they are saying they found a take i.d. on this person. as we know, the shooter did use a fake new jersey i.d. when checking into the hostile a few weeks back. i think that's an important development that we need to pay close attention to. at this point, law enforcement is going to be doing a very investigatory situation. they are going to want to not release too many details until they have 100% confirmation. >> jim, coming back to the gun, our earlier reporting was that they found a gun with this individual that could have matched the gun used in this crime. what can they learn from the gun itself if they have a gun right now in their custody? >> if they have a firearm and a silencer -- i'm sure they have the local atf agents from the local office there. if it's an unregistered

silencer, that's a federal crime. they can detain him on that before they have -- can see if it matches. the information that started out earlier an hour and a half ago was that they went on a lead that it might have been a veterinary gun. i'm skeptical this is a veterinary gun. what's good about this lead is, citizens see a person who looks like the federal of the killer. he has a fake i.d., as our friend said. that's another thing. now he has a firearm with a silencer. there's three points. it arose from a foundation of facts that are facts. we think he looks like the guy. that's a fact. we think that. then we find the fake i.d. now we have the silencer. the silencer and the pistol is critical here. why is that good? if he is the killer it can be

matched to the bullets from mr. thompson and the shell casings and the scene. you have a murder case. if it's not -- no serial number on it, atf can arrest him and hold him until nypd tests the gun. it's an easier way to do it. they are not saying that what they found is a veterinary gun, which i don't think the killer's gun is that. if the lead started from that assumption, i would not be so keen on it. this lead that started from the citizens observing him i think is a strong lead. we won't know for sure until they match the gun or he gives a statement. >> jillian, we didn't have a name at all leading up to today. we didn't have a weapon police recovered. they found a backpack they were trying to determine whether it was the one that was seen in the video on the suspect. all they found inside was a jacket and some monopoly money

we learned. where does the investigation go from here? >> from here, we have a lot of options. they are good options. now we have a suspect in custody. regardless of if this person is the individual, we can hold him -- law enforcement can hold him on the fake i.d. it's illegal to carry a fake i.d. as well as a silencer. he could be detained on that as well. law enforcement is trying to get other information from him, other evidence, dna evidence. these are fingerprintable charges. that's important. now we have the opportunity to run the prints through ncic and see what comes back. in the meantime, people should still be on the comes back. in the meantime, people should still be on the lookout until we have confirmation. >> thank you so much, jillien snyder and jim kavanaugh. thank you for joining us. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 10:00 a.m.