very safe night. this is one of those nights where i think we all need to take a deep breath and look forward to the sun coming out tomorrow, but for now i'm signing off. from all of our colleagues across networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. it has been quite a night. i will see you at the end of the day tomorrow. ♪♪ ♪♪ thanks to you at home for joining us this hour, really happy to have you here. have you ever had an hr issue at work, human resources? i feel like the poor human resources people get a really bad rap. they have to deal with all the

worst and most annoying stuff that happens in the workplace. nobody sees the hr department when they're at their best, right? but they do a really important job. you need them. there has to be somebody to call. there has to be somebody to intervene when things go really wrong or really weird in the workplace. imagine you're applying for a job. you want to get hired on at a new company and you are asked to detail for your new employer your personality characteristics. they ask you to fill out an intake form and specifically they ask you to disclose on this intake form to your potential new employer if these specific personality characteristics you think apply to you. "i like to show off my body. i like to look at myself in the

mirror." is that one of your personality characteristics? your potential new employer wants you to put in writing. do these personality characteristics apply to you? "i don't have that much interest in having sexual experiences with another person." excuse me? sorry? again, this is from your boss, from your would-be boss, asking you these questions, asking if these so-called personality characteristics, okay, apply to you and these questions are being asked of you as part of you applying for a job. another personality characteristic this application's intake form asks you about, would you describe yourself this way, "i consistently use my physical appearance to draw attention to myself. i have chronic feelings of emptiness. i love large parties. i leave a mess in my room."

what room? "i do not enjoy going to art museums. i get upset when people don't notice how i look when i go out in public." you're applying for a job and you're asked to declare these things, whether these are your characteristics. here's any favorite one. again, what your employer is asking in considering whether or not you're going to be hired, whether or not you're suited for a job. does this personality trait apply to you, "i believe in things many others don't like having a sixth sense, clairvoyance, and telepathy and as an adolescent i had bizarre fantasies or preoccupations." that's all one thing. that is listed as all one personality trait per this question, this intake form. it's believing in telepathy so like esp and clairvoyance and

also having bizarre adolescent fantasies and preoccupations. those are all listed as one thing. what do you say? you're really trying to be honest. you really want this job. what do you say to your would- be boss when you're asked that one? are you allowed to say yes, i was preoccupied as an adolescent with wanting to paint myself blue or something, right? but no, i don't believe in esp. are you allowed to split it up or are you allowed to say yes, i definitely believe in telepathy. for example, i'm controlling you with my mind right now, but no, when i was 12, i just wanted to be a fireman like everyone else. can you split it up? are you allowed to question the question? what do you tell your would-be boss if only half of this individual trait applies and this is the intake form that you are filling out to try to get a job? hr gets a bad rap.

i know nobody likes the idea of going to hr for anything, but if you're applying for a job and your would-be boss asks you as part of the job application process if you like to "show off your body," if your would- be boss asks you how interested you are in sex and this would- be boss wants you to put the answer in writing and submit it to the company, call hr, right? nobody wants to, but honestly call hr. maybe call the cops. definitely don't take that job, but that that i just showed you, the trump transition has now confirmed that that is the questionnaire that is being administered to people who want to work for the u.s. government in the second term of donald j. trump. tara paul mary was first to get

the information that people applying under trump for the department of health and human services under robert f. kennedy jr. are given this personality characteristics quiz as an intake form for getting a job with rfk. does this personality characteristic apply to you, "i tend to have unstable and intense personal relationships, where i alternate between extremes of idealizing and devaluing others?" what? does this personality characteristic apply to you, "i don't have much interest in having sexual experiences with another person"? seriously. this intake form to get to go work with donald trump's choice for u.s. health secretary, answer the question about how much interest you have in sex in order to get your job with the secretary of the u.s.

department of health and human services. the intake form appears to be a product produced by a far right canadian podcaster. while we're on the subject of health, he famously says he flew himself to russia and serbia for what he described as emergency drug detox that included putting himself into a coma. he also famously reportedly adopted what he and his daughter market as the "lion diet" consisting entirely of beef, salt and water. that's all you eat. did i mention he's advising the health department? his intake form about how much you like showing off your body and how much interest you have in sex is apparently now being used to screen applicants for jobs with the u.s. government, for the health part of the u.s. government, which trump wants to be led by robert f. kennedy

jr. who does say a worm ate part of his brain and then died in there and the whole experience in his telling dramatically reduced his cognitive capacity. the los angeles times is now reporting that kennedy also recently approached this man and asked this man to apply for a job at the fda and the man says he's done it. now is it the same intake? i don't know. maybe applying for a job at the fda at the invitation of robert f. kennedy jr. means you have to do the how much do you like sex intake form. we don't know, but the reason the l.a. times thought it was a news story of some importance that kennedy asked this man in particular to apply for a job at the fda is because this man in particular is california's best known raw milk producer with some significant health consequences for the people of california. "three raw milk recalls last month were the result of

positive tests for h5n1 bird flu among mcafee's cows. his far has since been quarantined. his company has voluntarily issued recalls for all remaining milk and cream products in stores. since 2006 his company has been involved in 13 different recalls. mcafee's farm is involved in at least 11 different lawsuits stemming from a salmonella outbreak that sickened 171 people, mostly children. in addition to the bird flu recalls, the other recalls affecting his company were the result of bacterial contamination, including e. coli, listeria, campylobacter and salmonella. some people became extremely ill with kidney failure. mr. mcafee said if he were selected for an advisory role at the fda, which rfk invited

him to apply for, he says he would "look into changing food liability laws where you can't go get $1 million for somebody who gets diarrhea for a week." oh, yum. what's the fda for again? what's the fda for again? so 13 recalls, e. coli, listeria, campylobacter, 171 people with salmonella, ever had salmonella, three bird flu recalls, his products barred from sale after making so many people sick, but if he gives the right answer to questions like, you know, do you like to show off your body, do you ever have feelings of emptiness, this man could be heading to the don't complain to us about your diarrhea desk at the new food and drug administration as styled and conceived by the second term of donald j. trump. yeah. how's the transition going?

how professional and well organized is this thing turning out to be, huh? and we've already had and forgotten the scandal of a close adviser to the president- elect being accused by the transition of offering presidential appointments to senior positions in the government for sale, for cash. one of the people reportedly championed by that adviser who was reportedly selling appointments is a guy who was named to be white house counsel, not that long ago, but then the president-elect changed his mind and unannounced him as the choice for white house counsel and said instead he'll be working on elon musk's government efficiency board. he can noted him down to go work with elon. how are things going over there? well, "the new york times" reports this weekend that the office manager from elon musk's family office has been doing the interviewing for high ranking foreign affairs positions in the u.s. state

department. the office manager for elon musk's family office is hiring for senior positions at the state department in foreign policy. what are his qualifications for doing that? i will quote "the new york times." the man has "no experience in foreign affairs," none at all, but he does manage elon musk's family office. so why shouldn't he be the man who chooses who is in charge of the u.s. state department? that's kind of how things are going. elon musk's mother, his actual mom, by training, a model, she says she has also been sitting in on meetings of the department of government efficiency as the group is getting stood up. so elon's mom is part of that, clearly a super professional operation over there. the highest profile nomination trump is likely to make for his

new administration was always going to be his choice for attorney general, right? pretty key position when the president-elect himself has recently been convicted on 34 felony counts. trump's choice for that position, of course, matt gaetz, had to withdraw from consideration a few days after he was named. that was a tremendous humiliation for president-elect trump, especially because trump himself was personally reportedly making calls to individual republican senators asking them personally himself that they should support gaetz. despite his personal calls on gaetz's behalf, it did not work. gaetz had to withdraw his nomination. it was even more humiliating for the vice president-elect j.d. vance who was chosen to personally walk matt gaetz up and down the senate halls to accompany him to meetings with republican senators in person and that also did not work. there's a reason you don't put the number one and number two

people right there personally alongside your least likely to succeed nominee. it's because it's a huge in your face humiliation for the president-elect personally and for the vice president-elect personally when their efforts don't work and he fails out. in the gaetz case to add insult to injury, that totally botched attempted nomination left an ethical and reputational bomb behind for republican members of congress who even after matt gaetz was gone, they still had to vote to keep secret the house ethics committee's findings in their investigation of the child sex trafficking allegations against matt gaetz, very important to keep that information secret, make sure nobody in the public ever finds out the facts. so now all of these republicans have on their records their individual votes to keep secret the evidence and the facts

discovered about this congressman's alleged involvement in child sex trafficking. so yeah, that worked out great for everybody, right? good job, trump transition. this is another of the excellent own goals from the transition thus far. one of the republican senators they're really counting on to lead the charge for trump's nominees, a senator who has been out in front for them saying every one of trump's choices is somebody who should be confirmed and all the republicans should vote for them, the guy who has really been most out front for them is this senator, his name often mispronounced tuberville. it is tuberville, tommy tuberville, senator from alabama. >> there's more rumors up there going around about matt gaetz and pete hegseth and all of them will have some kind of rumor when it comes down to it, but we've got to look at facts,

but would have got to help president trump. he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. he's not going to do that. >> oh, is that so? is he not going to do that? that's a senator they need. that's the guy sort of whipping the votes and telling all the other republicans they need to vote for every trump nominee. what's that last thing he said again? play that again. >> he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. he's not going to do that. >> he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. right after senator tuberville said that trump, in fact, named a convicted felon, his relative, charles kushner, to be the ambassador to france followed very shortly by trump naming peter navarro to be his new trade adviser. mr. navarro just got out of federal prison this summer. >> he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. he's not going to do that. >> yes, yes, yes, he is,

senator, multiple times he's going to do that, but he's going to wait until right after you stay on television he's not going to do that to do it so as to make it maximally embarrassing and insulting to you personally. he's going to wait till you say he's not going to appoint a criminal and he's going to appoint a criminal and then appoint another one right after you said that with everybody listening on television. they really need you. the trump transition has been amazing in all sorts of ways. the "wall street journal" today ran a feature on the various and dubious pills and potions being sold by multiple trump nominees for high office, some of them continuing to show for this stuff even after being named for a high position in the government. trump's surgeon general choice has her line of celebrity vitamins she sells on instagram. her picture is on the label. trump's would-be medicare chief who will sell you any number of things that might cure your

alzheimer's or your thyroid ailments or might make the fat melt away like magic, trump's choice for fbi director who will sell you pills that reverse the covid vaccine, sure, because sure. the president-elect himself is still selling stuff during the transition as well, literally since the election rolling out new products and hocking stuff online. he's still selling the bibles and watches and sneakers and commemorative coins and whatever, but since the election he has branched out into selling commemorative guitars. literally since winning the election and becoming president- elect he started selling guitars. this weekend he literally started selling smells, new trump fragrances, trump-branded odors in a bottle. he's doing new product launches for this stuff while also expertly managing the presidential transition, which

is going just great. and the news like sometimes intrudes on this comedy of errors and embarrassment. today we have news of a young man arrested and charged in conjunction with the assassination of a health insurance executive in midtown manhattan. this young man has been charged with forgery and a firearms offense at this point. with people looking for a possible motive or explanation for that crime, one of the things in this guy's internet history that's gotten a lot of attention today is a very enthusiastic review he appears to have given to the manifesto of the unabomber, ted kaczynski, who killed three people and injured 23 others in a bombing campaign that spanned more than 15 years. this young man arrested today has not been charged with the killing of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson. we don't yet know if he will be

charged with that killing, but if it is him, the fact that he's a professed unabomber fan is unsettling. i might venture it's even more unsettling that donald trump's reported choice to run the atf is also a self-professed fan of the unabomber. >> do you have a subversive thinker that you think people should look up, look into, know more about that's underrated and would, yeah, would influence people in a good direction? >> subversive thinker that's underrated? >> yeah. >> i'll probably get in trouble for saying this. >> no, you won't. >> i'd say how about like theodore kaczynski? >> theodore kaczynski. blake masters later admitted, "probably not great to be talking about the unabomber while campaigning." just to be clear that he knew when he was talking about

theodore kaczynski, he was talking about the unabomber. underrated thinker, people should look into him. people should look into an underrated thinker that would influence people in a good direction. unabomber fan, reportedly trump's choice to lead the atf which despite its acronym is responsible not only for alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, but also explosives. sure, why not put the unabomber fan in charge of the federal agency that regulates explosives? we've also had news in the last few days that trump has his choice made for his special envoy for hostage affairs, incredibly serious job, literally life or death stakes every single day and circumstance in which that envoy works, an unbelievably sensitive position in the u.s. government. for that job, his special envoy for hostage affairs, donald

trump has reportedly chosen jared kushner's college roommate. sure, why not? i mean as long as we're talking about the news intruding on this revelry, we've just had the fall of syria and exile of the long time syrian dictator considered responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in his country, the torture and unjust incarceration of tens of thousands of people, many in secret prisons, bashar al assad just thrown out of office by an uprising in syria. he's fled the country. russia said he's gone to moscow and maybe he has, but here in the midst of the trump transition bashar al assad's highest profile champion and apologist and propagandist in the united states, there's tulsi gabbard today meeting with senators on capitol hill

while the news is coming down the butcher of damascus has gone to moscow and every one of those senators has to be looking tulsi gabbard up and down thinking oh, if this had happened one year from today, would assad be going into exile here? would his best friend in america, tulsi gabbard, have us taking him in? i mean maybe under director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard and president donald trump bashar al assad could split his exile time between here and moscow. all the old hands and sort of gray beards in american news and politics, particularly people with experience in national security and foreign policy, they will all tell you the same thing about the presidential transition period. they will all tell you about the transition times between one president and the next are

often times when things go haywire and this transition is not proving to be a disappointment along those lines. in the blink of an eye we've had the government collapse in germany. we've had the government collapse in france. we've had the imposition of martial law and an attempted overthrow of the government in south korea. we have had the toppling of the assad regime and potentially a wholesale realignment of all the major powers in the middle east all while we are in between the end of one presidency and the beginning of another, but don't worry. elon musk's mom is sitting in on the meetings and jared just got both his ex-con dad and his college roommate really cool jobs and people have almost forgotten about the child sex trafficking attorney general nomination and the other guy supposedly selling presidential appointments and the rape allegation in the police report about the defense secretary nominee and the unabomber fan for the explosives job and the health secretary who says a

worm ate part of his brain and then died in there now asking possible hires into the u.s. government how much they like sex and do they like to show off their bodies? it is a complicated and dangerous world, especially right now. there is nothing about the quality of this presidential transition that should set anyone's mind at ease about how well america is going to be handling these matters. but for us all the more reason to try to understand them as best we can. so hold that thought. we've got more ahead. ah, you found me. you found me. there he is. but wherever i go it's always “where's waldo?” are you wally? yeah. yeah i am. never “who's waldo?” sometimes it takes someone who really knows you

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starting in tunisia, a young man set himself in fire in the middle of the street as an act of protest against tunisia's dictatorship which had been in power more than two decades, a horrific thing and a desperate thing and somebody recorded it on their cell phone and posted the video online and that turned into something. within days that young man's neighbors were in the streets holding up his picture chanting his name saying they, too, were

fed up with the dictatorship. they were fed up with there being no job prospects and no healthcare and all the corruption and then it grew into big protests, protests of mostly young people. they were angry. they were upset with how bad life is under authoritarian rule. within weeks those protests enveloped the country. the dictatorship responded like they always do. they responded violently, cracked down on the protesters. they killed protesters, but it just kept going and eventually tunisia's authoritarian leader who had been in power 24 years gave up. he fled the country. protesters won. it didn't stop there. pro democracy protests ripped through the middle east in 2011 in bahrain, in yemen, in sudan, in jordan, libya, even in saudi arabia and, of course, in egypt if you remember stuff from this

era, it is probably egypt you first remember. like in tunisia, protests in egypt started peacefully, protesters camping out in cairo in tahrir square and said they'd refuse to leave until their president stepped down and then like in tunisia, the regime cracked down. tahrir square became a battleground, civilians against their own country's military grade force, pro democracy protesters beaten and killed. it went on for weeks and ultimately the protests worked. they toppled a 30-year dictatorship. >> they've been saying this slogan that has come to symbolize the demands of the people in arabic that means he must leave or he shall leave. >> the arab spring is one of those indelible times in history that just completely

reoriented the world. regimes were ultimately toppled in tunisia, egypt, yemen, sudan. did you recognize that guy? recognize that guy there? in 2011 before he became our beloved friend and colleague here at msnbc, ayman mohyeldin was a reporter for al jazeera english. throughout the arab spring he reported daily from tahrir square in egypt. at one point he was detained by egyptian police, blindfolded and handcuffed left on the floor for hours. ayman was an essential voice for the whole world during the arab spring. he became our eyes and ears for what was happening halfway around the world. during the protests we had him here on this show several times reporting live from cairo and nbc recruited him to come here and now today as another

dictatorship falls, yet another where the protests against him started in 2011, but in syria it took this long for him to fall, what a privilege it is to be able to talk with ayman this time as a colleague about what this means and about how it has all happened. joining us now is ayman mohyeldin. i first met him while he was reporting leave from syria and egypt in 2011 and now is a beloved colleague here at msnbc. >> good to see you. >> i didn't warn you we were going to do that. >> a lot younger, a lot less gray hairs. >> you're one of those people that gets better and better. by the time you're 90 you'll be like people's sexiest man. >> thank you. >> let me ask you, you recovered the origin of the revolt against assad in 2011. >> yeah. >> why did assad leave 13 years

down the road? >> he was almost out of power in 2014, 2015, and for a whole series of mistakes that happened and decisions by his allies he was able to thwart the revolution that was coming to his doorstep in 2014. these protests started out peacefully even in syria. in fact, it was a young student who ripped a picture of bashar al assad in 2011 that ultimately led to mass street protests to which he then used force and began a violent crackdown, but the protests began with defectors of his own army who said we don't want to be part of cracking down on our own citizens, but what really changed the course was he began to use overwhelming force to kill without any kind of hesitation and as the militant

revolution grew, ultimately he was defeated and the russians and iranians and hezbollah, his foot soldiers from hezbollah, his financiers from iran, his diplomats in the air force of russia came and said okay. we have to save this guy. >> he was about to be pushed out when russia and iran came in and propped him up. >> absolutely. they were on the door steps of the cities they took over. homs was considered the birthplace of the revolution. they had gotten to homs and that was a major red line for the russians. of course, there was the time and to kind of bring america into this, there was the famous red line for president obama that bashar al assad was going to use chemical weapons. america would get involved. he used chemical weapons. america did not get involved and all of the allies of -- >> obama put it to congress and congress was like no and congress was mad he didn't go even though he asked them to vote for it. >> absolutely. what happened is the russians, hezbollah, and iranian came to his defense and cracked down on

the revolution, pushed back to the northern border with turkey and created this stalemate we had lived in for the past ten years from 2016 on. >> i feel like the thing that was so shocking to people who haven't been following it closely was to see the resolve and commitment of iran and russia melt away, that when the tides started to turn this year within the last few weeks, iran evacuated its people even ahead of damascus falling. >> yeah. >> nobody exactly knew what russia was going to do. i think as recently as last week there was still an expects you might see the russian air force level some more syrian cities and kill thousands more syrian civilians, but russia pulled its people out, too. to what do you attribute the collapse of his international alliances that had made it possible for him to even be there the last ten years? >> each one of these players has been mired down in their

own conflict. russia has been bogged down in a war in ukraine three years losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, diplomatically exhausted, financially taxed. hezbollah has been in a war with israel the past 14 months and has been decimated, its command and control structure wiped out for the time being. they literally don't have the foot soldiers to send to syria. iran now is serving this landscape of a new middle east in which they have an incoming president in the united states that they're probably leery of. they have lost their foothold in southern lebanon with hezbollah. the houthis are a little bit not as strong of a resource for them to deploy. their last card to play in the region perhaps is iraq and there was some talk and there were some leaders of iraqi militia groups that had said they wanted to go to syria to fight on behalf of bashar al assad. luckily, that did not happen. that is a mystery in this equation because it speaks to where the iraqi government is now and perhaps realizing

there's a shifting orientation in the region, not necessarily to be close to iran and say wait, let's not rush to protect bashar al assad just yesterday and were able to keep their militias on their side of the border. i think everybody is bogged down into their own kind of internal conflicts. israel is certainly acting with impunity in syria, in lebanon across the region. america has kind of given it a green light. so we're seeing this redrawing of the maps of the middle east, but more importantly, the breaking of what iran and its allies call the axis of resistance. >> exactly. to have this axis of resistance, not only their conventional forces, but their proxies, it's one thing to see the alliance and the threat it represents. it's another to see it collapse of its own weight. great to have you. thanks for having me on your

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kristen welker, "169 of them have pled guilty to assaulting police officers." trump, "because they have no choice." welker," but you're going to consider pardoning even those who pled guilty to crimes, even assaulting police officers?" trump, "well, sometimes they say here's your choice. welker, you're not ruling it out? trump, i know the system. the system's a very corrupt system. so yeah, apparently even those who attack police officers. in that same interview trump also told welker that he's looking forward to jailing people he sees as his political enemies and one of the specific people he threatened is joining us here live next. stay with us.

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this weekend president- elect donald trump said that he wants to jail members of congress who carried out the bipartisan congressional investigation into the january 6th attack. he told nbc's kristen welker, "i think those people committed a major crime. honestly, they should go to jail." in response to those comments from the president-elect, former republican congresswoman liz cheney who was vice-chair of that investigation released this statement. it's worth hearing it in full. she said this. "here's the truth. donald trump attempted to overturn the 2020 presidential election and seize power. he mobilized an angry mob and sent them to the united states capitol where they attacked police officers, invaded the building, and halted the

official counting of electoral votes. trump watched on television as police officers were brutally beaten and the capitol was assaulted refusing for hours to tell the mob to leave. donald trump knows his claims about the select committee are ridiculous and false. there's no conceivably appropriate factual or constitutional basis for what donald trump is suggesting, a justice department investigation of the work of a congressional committee, and any lawyer who attempts to pursue that course would quickly find themselves engaged in sanctionable conduct." joining us now is california democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren, a member of the january 6th house investigation. it's a real pleasure to have you. thank you for making the time. >> thanks. glad to be here. >> let me ask your reaction to trump's threats to his claim he thinks you and other members of congress who were part of the investigation should be jailed. >> well, it's absurd. i know our committee was duly constituted. we worked really hard to do the job we were assigned to do,

which was to uncover the events leading up to january 6th. we uncovered a wide ranging plot with trump at the center of that plot to essentially steal the election, to overturn it culminating in his summoning a mob to washington knowing that they were armed, sending them down to the capitol to stop the proceedings. more than 1,000 of those rioters have pled guilty. they did terrible things to police officers. they beat them. they sprayed them with chemicals. they tased them. officers lost fingers, lost an eye, were permanently disabled. you know, go to the department of justice case files and read the summary of what these guys did. he would think about pardoning them while trying in violation of the law and constitution to

somehow suggest that the legislative committee that did this work that uncovered his unsavory role was somehow in the wrong is ridiculous. go to the government printing office. take a look at the evidence. everything we found is there. read the transcripts. take a look at the emails and the text messages we found. listen to the radio traffic. this was a horrendous event that we uncovered for the american public. you know, it's protected by the constitution. article 1 section 6 says that the congress cannot be questioned in any other place for our legislative work. so this threat is an empty one and really pretty ridiculous. >> if it is an empty threat and he can't credibly threaten jail time, right, for members of congress for having been part

of this investigation, if that's something he's going to threaten, but he's not going to be able to carry out, but he is going to be able to carry out the other side of this threat, which is to city free all the people who committed crimes and were convicted of crimes including violence on january 6th. what do you think the effect of that will be on the country? what does that do to us as a democracy, as a country? what does that do to us? >> trump is not a believer in the rule of law. we know that from all of his activities and that you would pardon people who committed this violence who were either convicted or pled guilty of really violent acts really undercuts the rule of law. i mean clemency is for people who have earned it. we see people who have mended their ways. right now we've got rioters in

court saying that they don't care. trump is going to pardon them anyhow. it's really a very destructive suggestion that we would pardon these criminals and try and threaten people who aren't criminals, the january 6th committee members. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren of california, i appreciate your time tonight. i'm implicitly sorry to ask you to come on to respond to these things, but i want your voice to be out there as loud as anyone's in telling this story. thank you. >> well, it's important that the committee let him know we're not going to be intimidated. >> i hear you. the whole country hears you. thank you, ma'am, appreciate it. we'll be right back. and then i wake up. is limu with you in all your dreams? oh, yeah. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪

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