hello, everyone. for the next four years there will be a lot to cover in and report on in the category of drifting. unqualified individuals doing previously unheard of things and top government agencies. donald trump with a so-called mended in republicans in congress feel around for whatever remains of their sense of duty and accountability to the constitution and the rule of lopping for that reason it will be important to track mile markers or signposts along various trajectories of. one we have focused on a lot around here is democratic norms of verses autocratic impulses. in that category donald trump made a very big move yesterday tapping someone who departs perhaps as dramatically as any

other. from the normal parameters of for the individual overseeing the civil rights division of the department of justice. in her case trump is letting the fox guard the hen house tapping a loyalist who has in every single turn since the 2020 election in the emergence of the big lie enabled donald trump tax on voting and democratic norms in the name of trump's lie about voter fraud leading to his defeat in 2020. she is donald trump's pick to lead the doj civil rights division. a branch of the justice department new york times describes like this. the division and forces voting rights laws, investigates police departments, and brings charges for violations of people's civil rights. the divisions on website proudly states this . the pulled the civil rights of all people in the united states. it is a solemn and important responsibility. if there is a through line in the vehicle work over the last few years she has supported donald trump

over anything and everyone else. maritimes rights this. she has been a conservative activist is so devoted to mr. trump but was willing to attack not only democrats but also fellow republicans. she was also the cochairwoman in 2020 of a group lawyers for trump that challenged the results of that year's presidential election. here she is in an appearance on fox news november 5, 2020 while votes were still being counted. president joe biden would not be declared the winner for another two days. >> in philadelphia you have election workers with biden/ harris 2020 masks on, and they are the ones who look at ballots and see if it is defective in some way.

they may fill it in or fix it and there is nobody on the republican side to witness it. because the election is so close in the lead is declining that is where we could lose it, and it's an outrage those people are in contempt of court and meanwhile we are waiting for the supreme court of which the president nominated three justices to step in and do something, and hopefully she will pick it up. there is no guarantee, so we have to fight this on the ground and make sure we challenge every place we are. >> of course the supreme court does not step in. or do much of anything. they have not tipped the scales for donald trump because donald trump lost. but harmeet dhillon remained a loyal spokesperson as trump tried and failed to overturn the election and lost case after case. here is how the democracy docket describes how she has done since the 2020 election. harmeet dhillon and her namesake law firm she found it has become one of the leading legal groups working to rollback voting rights across the country. the past few years dhillon or an attorney from her law firm

has been involved in at least 16 different lawsuits in arizona, colorado, georgia, maine, michigan, north carolina, virginia and washington dc. challenging voting rights laws, redistricting, election processes or trumps efforts to. on the ballot in the 2024 election. in a statement dhillon says she is honored by president trump's nomination to assist with our nations a civil rights agenda, but many experts see it differently. they sat at the head of the civil rights division. doj will be on the side of both suppressors and election deniers. early an important indicator of what the next chapter of the fight for voting rights will look like in the united states with trump's latest doj appointment. the ever mentioned voting rights attorney and the site of the docket is here. here. first, just take one step back

and remind us what is in the purview of the head of the civil rights division of the department of justice. >> so it is a big job, and it covers as you point out the enforcement of the nation civil rights laws. lots and lots of things, but the thing that i am mostly focused on or the thing that jumped off the page for me is that voting rights of falls within this purview. at the entrance of the page because harmeet dhillon ran for chair of the rnc on a platform of voter suppression which she calls election integrity. complaining that the republican party was not doing enough after 2020 two put partisan poll watchers at the polls. not doing enough to fight against vote by mail and other forms of voting. was not doing enough to fight

against civil rights and voting rights organizations in court. the idea that she is not going to be put in charge of the civil rights division and oversee the voting rights section at a time when you have the election deniers in chief in the oval office at a time a project 2025 wants to dismantle voting rights around the country. at a time when the courts and voting rights are one of the few places we have to fight to ensure free and fair elections in the future. beyond absurd. something out of a novel. >> and explained to doj's role in defending legislation that is oppressive or that would infringe on anyone's voting rights. they normally -- the boys who work in the civil rights division defend those cases. what happens to those cases? >> this is my great fear.

that is why i sent that message on blue sky. not x. i recommend it to everyone. the fear i have is the department of justice to one of their missions in these cases is to ensure the nation's voting laws are upheld. it is a number of very important voting laws. they are the chief cop on the beat to ensure people's rights to vote are not infringed upon. over the last few years we have had a number of back-and-forth about whether they were doing enough in this area. i think many people thought he in the department could have done more. they are in a number of cases where my fear is that on january 20 at noon the position of the united states will flip from a position of protecting

black voters from discrimination under the voting rights act into one that seeks to god the last versions of the voting rights act. you will flip on laws like the provisions that prevent discrimination against our military and overseas voters. into positions that are antithetical to those interests. this is not hypothetical. it is the republican national committee itself. urging courts to adopt positions that would restrict voting rights, and a few the fact the department of justice is in some of these cases will give an on-ramp. which matter they dismiss their cases. take themselves out of interventions they are in so that at least harmeet dhillon will find lawyers to file pleadings to get into cases in face some speed bumps. >> just finished the thought. what if merrick garland does not heed the warning?

the cases are open to she wants to flip sides to been what would happen? >> then you are putting folks like my clients and law firm and many others in the position of not having to fight not just the state of both suppressors. not the republican party and their allies who are election deniers. know we are also fighting the tax funded department of justice who will be advancing positions to their core mission which is ensuring the right to vote. a drain on resources and also going to cause a lot of confusion among judges although hopefully they will see through it. some may play confused about what the department of justice is doing. >> it is as dramatic a shift for the role of the person inside the government who is

supposed or has previously done one thing and would know do another. it is as dramatic a departure from a norm. nothing illegal about it. elections have consequences. this is one of them. it is as dramatic a shift in a single post. >> i certainly think that is correct. obviously when there is a change in administration there is a change in priorities and often civil rights is where that is felt. there is currently a challenge to whether private parties can bring suit under section two. basically the last leg standing to challenge the voter laws. we relied a lot on what is known as private attorneys generals.

private groups to challenge voter laws when they come, and it's important in circumstances where the administration may not necessarily be as aggressive in forcing voting rights, and in a situation like this where it seems clear it may actively be undermining voting rights. the fact is even more important, so we have this case that is currently percolating. likely to go to the supreme court. it may knock out section two , which will be everything to the department of justice, and that will be a difficult road if harmeet dhillon is the head of the civil rights division. that leaves nothing to say about the fact of efforts in police brutality consent decrees and the other things that the office does on a regular basis. the fact she has been nominated to fill this the administration is really going to pursue its priorities reorienting our

understanding of civil rights which were no longer and focus on those traditional minority groups that historically have been excluded. know we are focused on a new set of minorities. those who believe that they are imposing certain things on them, and they need government to step in and protect them pubis of the administration to do that. >> let me show you harmeet dhillon in her own words through some of those priorities. >> you cannot advance without parroting every woke message that has come along over the years. you get a tax deduction for using up a nonprofit organization. >> which is a clear abuse. >> the of the government-owned assertion that accompanies what americans can see. that affected the outcome of elections. this committee has been going on for a year and a half, and i

would call it an extended advertisement with no actual legal significance, but all political by the january 6th committee and democrats. >> there she is in her own words. i think that was rfk jr.'s one- time running mates. this is a worldview that is pretty common, but has never assented to this particular post before in either party by design. >> that is right. to be clear certainly among some of the justices if not the entire 63 conservative super majority.

is basically a form of compelled speech and religious individuals have an opportunity seen it. i think we will see the wholesale pushing of this as an administration priority. it was laid out in project 2025. it should not surprise us this is what they are doing. they told us they were going to do this. she is the perfect vessel for this. >> i want to show you more of her past client work from time magazine. she worked for kari lake. this is from 22. last week the campaign higher harmeet dhillon for one of trump's lead attorneys who contested the 2020 election to run as election day operations. in an interview on tuesday dhillon tied the voting equipment problems to the role

of hobbs office in testing and certifying machines. it says to me the arizona secretary of state a grossly incompetent and should not have been charged with the selection. that is why she should not be holding any elected office in arizona. the issue of fraud in arizona was resolved by the republican governor and republican officeholders up and down the ballot, and by trump's own independent audit. there was no fraud that led to any of kari lake's. she is now at multiple defeats. what does it signal that someone who doesn't believe in the integrity of our elections is now in charge of the civil rights division?>> i think the act is that donald trump has had one irreducible minimum of four anyone he appoints to his administration. that is that they are an election deniers. there was a new york times story that said people who are applying to be in his administration are being asked whether they believe that the 2020 election was fairly

decided and what their opinion on january 6th is, and the new york times says there is only one right answer. of course there is. the only right answer and trump's administration is that election deniers answer. kari lake is an election deniers. about her own elections and other elections. harmeet dhillon represents a lot of people who are election deniers. she ran for the chair of the rnc on a platform of voter suppression. the idea she is now going to be in charge of the part that oversees elections is deeply troubling. it is not something we have seen before. people talk about george bush or ronald reagan. let's remember the second bush administration reauthorize the voting rights administration act. ronald reagan. i do not have

rose-colored glasses about those times. they did not put in power the people i would have, but they fundamentally were there to uphold the law as it was even with a gloss that i would not take to get to, but what i fear we are going to have noon on january 20 is an administration that does not care what a lie is, and that will be damaging in a lot of areas. it will also be damaging in the election space. i want everyone to listen and be clear that you cannot retreat from this fight around democracy because if you do you are seeing discredited people who want to fundamentally restrict who gets to vote and whose vote counts. >> say one more thing about that because i word when i decided to start with the story that there is a point where it feels insurmountable. that when they are the ones dismantling something as fundamental as the voting rights act that people throw

off their hands and say we made a democracy argument and the other side prevailed. what would you like people to do? >> this is not the time to give up. i have written about this extensively. the resistance and after 2016 was not a failure. if you enjoy the affordable care act you have the resistance to thank for that. if you look at the results of the 2020 election you have the resistance to thank. i think we need something much bigger and more permanent because the threats in 2025 are much greater, so we need to acknowledge that. we are not going to confront those threats by retreating or by disengaging. we will confront those threats by building an opposition movement that is stronger and more resolved and focused on the longer term then the resistance was last time because the republican party is not going to snap back. it is now the republican party

that we will have during the administration and afterwords. i need everyone to do this. i need you to rest up and stop saying that you are tired. i need you to engage the fight and pay attention and not let them do this without a fight. i can promise you that my team and i are going to be in courtrooms around america. that is true of a lot of organizations and across a lot of issues. we need everyone to be engaged in the way they can whether it is by providing moral support or volunteering or whether it is by joining directly. >> appreciate that. thank you very much for your expertise and wisdom on this as well the when we come back we are learning much more today about the suspect in the shooting of the health insurance ceo.

the police are saying that he saw the murder as a symbolic takedown against corporate power. we will bring you the latest on the plus more on the president elect threats to members of the january 6th select committee and his promise of day one pardons for the insurrectionist. former police officer and a congressman joined the conversation. later. any report on exactly how the first trump justice department secretly collected the phone records of reporters and democratic light makers and aides from both political parties. a warning about what the next trump team will do with the g otay with loyalists looking for retribution but we will bring a those stories and more when we continue after a quick break. do not go anywhere. anywhere. and even at 2 years. don't use if allergic. serious allergic reactions, increased infections, or lower ability to fight them may occur. before treatment, get checked for infections and tb. tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms or vaccines.

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because i do respect what you do for our country. to save you a lengthy investigation i was not working with anyone. i do apologize for any strife or traumas but it had to be done. frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. officials are also coming through luigi mangione's a large online presence to learn more about his motive. nypd says he was not on their radar. until they received a call yesterday. >> we had been working this hard for five days in gotten hundreds of tips to our tip line's, but this was not a name that was called into us. >> as we always do, let's bring and my colleague. nbc news intelligence correspondent. my question is how did the name

not get flagged to nypd after the photos? if the family was estranged from him they seem to have tried to look for him. how do they not see that picture? how did no one in a big family or call nypd and say i do not know where he is, but that is my nephew or cousin or fraternity brother? >> the ultimate question. you have a mcdonald's worker who does not know him. has never met him. presumably sees the photos we have been flashing for three or four days when the infamous mask down a photo from the hostel was shown and things to pick up the phone and call local police. you have a large network of friends and family members of individuals that presumably knew him and nobody picked up the phone. i think there'll be a lot of questions around that, but rest assured we are certainly asking. as far as the outburst going

into court. a number of people listened to the audio. he says it's completely out of touch and is an insult to the american people in their lived experience. when he gets out of the car here he sees the cameras and now turns it on and start yelling and speaking. obviously had to be forcefully moved into the courthouse. he had to be flanked by seven officers when he went into the courthouse and was therefore his extradition hearing. he did not waive that. there will be governors ordered and i think eventually he will be in new york sooner rather than later. the details of this and the specific why and how is all coming together pick some of the things we talked about yesterday. online account that references to his writings about the uniform or and what you just said that was in the three pages of writings. to be clear on that with more detail. we reference the three pages on that. only approximately 300 words, so this is not some legal pad just an ongoing thing that. it is clear that he has an

animus to corporate society and the power of corporate society, and that is what according to multiple officials they are focused on that as a motive, which fits with the writings that we sought in the shell casings and this particular individual in whatever we have seen so far. he will presumably plead not guilty, so he is not been convicted. we have to keep that in mind as well. it certainly appears based on the evidence public and the things he has stated and the things found on the evidence that the motive is starting to come together. the big question we were just talking about when we were in break. a question that nobody can answer. largely because we do not know, and he is not talking. we have been reporting to the senior law enforcement official . when he was taken into custody he asked for an attorney. so he is not cooperating in this at all or presumably would

not in your own investigation, but he takes all of the steps to not be detected or to get away from new york city, and yet has these writings on him and obviously has these outbursts outside of court. somebody wants to be heard on this issue. that is a tough thing to reconcile because we typically see people that want to be heard in a targeted killing or attack immediately make that effort. that is just one of the many questions that we have. >> the other thing is how does he find the victim and know where he is staying? >> i think that will be a part of the investigation. we talked about the timeline before. he arrives 10 days before this incident occurs. in the course of that and also this conference was public. to your point, we talked about it before. there are many entrances to

that hotel where the conference was. we have all walked by it and gone to that hotel for an event or stayed there or whatever, so there are multiple ways to get in. he is not staying. the ceo is not staying at that hotel, so he happens to find himself on the right street on the right side of the street at the right time, and he arrives at the hotel at 6:40 6 am and the conference is not until 8:00. presumably you would show up earlier, the ceo, but the fact that he knew to be there that far in advance. >> and he was on the phone. do they have his phone? >> they do have the one that was left behind in new york. whether or not if you had a laptop on him, so they have other devices but there were other items of evidence picked up as well. wherever he lives is there any sort of evidence there or electronics? searches will be conducted. i think we are far along in the

standpoint of what prosecutors and investigators say they have found and what they have matched up. knowing how the squad detectives work they are going to work with all of their taskforces and bring everybody together. they are going to piece this through. i would not be surprised if at some point perhaps at trial they are able to track him from the port authority bus terminal although way to that mcdonald's.>> they seem to confirm no one from the family or fraternity or his friend group called after they saw the picture with the mask. are there now talking to the family? >> the it is something i do not think we have a total clarity on at this point.>> that is

amazing. >> to be clear they will reach out., cooperation or any cooperation is still up in the air. >> it is extraordinary. i would like to understand how much of the manifesto the police would like us talking about and publishing. >> a lot less than we are talking about now. >> and how it endangers other corporate leaders. >> we head january 6th. people that didn't think -- people can disagree with what they did, but those people believe that their voices were not being heard. that there was in fact a stolen election, so that is why they did what they did on january 6. subsequently this year we have had two assassination attempts on former president donald trump and a president elect donald trump. now we have somebody who believes that they are not being heard as it pertains to corporate or if it is health. we have the x-ray and a

neighbor of his saying that he had back surgery in the x-ray posted on his account of a back with screws in it, so are people in this country getting to the point where they are like i am not being heard, and as result i am going to act out in a very violent and targeted way that is absolutely a concern of law enforcement. it definitely was on a political site for all the reasons i just said. we can see across the world this year number of assassination attempts or assassinations involving current or former political leaders. if that is not moving into the private sector that is a whole different ballgame. i think there is a lot of concern about that, and it's a big reason why we are not sitting here giving this person a platform. we would do the same if it was somebody who did an attack for isis. we would generally describe whatever they would put out

there, but it would not be something where we would be going line by line. >> remarkable moment. we are grateful to have you here to talk us through it. amazing there are more platforms for people to blurt out whatever the thing that they want to blurt out then at any other point in human history. everyone is an anchor on their own youtube channel. it is an amazing psychological dynamic. thank you very much. switching gears. just ahead. more reaction to trump's threats targeting the january 6th select committee members to capitol police officer is the guest next. t next. with who? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems. serious allergic reactions may occur. get help for swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens or you have a parasitic infection.

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a tactic straightout of an authoritarian playbook. select committee member joins in condemning trump's threats as a chief intimidation ploy. writing in a statement this. donald trump's suggestion that the justice department should investigate and or jail members of congress for legislative work is unconstitutional. it should be laughed at by any legitimate lawyer. our select committee followed the facts and provided the american people with the truth. while that may be an inconvenient truth for donald trump it is an honest depiction of what happened. he is lying when he says otherwise. on january 6 there was a serious attack on our capital in our democracy. i will continue to tell the truth about it, and i remain undaunted by threats. it comes just 41 days before the man who fomented a violent insurrection against his own government once again takes the oath of office swearing to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states.

joining our coverage. former capital police officer. one of the brave officers who protected the country on that day. also the author of the book standing my ground. also joining us u.s. democratic congressman eric swalwell of california he filed a civil sit against trump over the january 6th insurrection. i start with you, congressman. your reaction to the threats from the president elect on sunday against members of the january 6th select committee? >> it's not going to work. it's not going to stop me. it's time to get serious. if the president wants to work on immigration or reducing crime or increasing opportunity he has a partner in me, but if he goes out of his way to help his billionaire boys and everything he can to go after his enemies the house democrats

will fence him in and he is looking at one of the tallest posts in that fence, so i am not going away on that. he may think this is going to intimidate us and deter us, but i stand here in this congress as a representative of people who just want to work hard and do better and want these threats that look like some of their country to not be who we are, so it's not going to work.>> we had a lot of conversations. i do not know if i have heard you offer this. he has a partner in me. say more about what, and have you offer that to him directly? >> i sent it last week in a subcommittee hearing to my republican colleagues that on immigration i want security at the border, but in a district where 40% of them were born

outside of these the states i see the connection to immigration and doing well, so let's address the workforce crisis. i am a former prosecutor. i want to lock up people who are violent criminals and sexual predators. let's work to do that. making sure people see increases in their wages and a decrease at the checkout line at walmart. you have a partner here. let's be serious about what the american people wanted. if you're going to go after your political opponents and correctly help the oligarchy i am not going to be for that. the house will be a fence. we have a very strong minority in the house that have a very thin majority on the republican side, and we are going to be unified fighting for those priorities.>> how are you even taking this in seeing trump in an interview talking about retribution and punishing the members of the january 6 collect committee condemning their mosquito work, which was frankly simply trying to everyone who was around donald trump on that day and getting their sworn accounts of what donald trump did and intended. people a cassidy hutchinson.

all of the people that work for him at the department of justice. the pentagon and elsewhere. what is a like for you now to watch the coverage of his return to the white house? >> good to be with you. i honestly can say i wish i was surprised. this is been four years in the making. i had the opportunity to talk, and they said what we spoke out for was accountability. doing what was right. to see that he skated that and that there are people in this country that probert has him being the president over seeking accountability. it was a dagger through the heart to be candid with you. election night our spirits were crushed because the thought that all of our efforts had been in vain to we got to know a lot of people who spoke of what they thought was right, but it really hurt and told us a lot about where people

prioritize what happened on january 6. that is not to say a lot of people do not think it was important, but we thought it would be a referendum, and it's not even about politics. it is by doing what is right. it was disheartening and really hurt. some of those names in the clip that you just showed where he thinks this is a message to people that may be willing to stand up. i do not think it is just that. i think donald trump is about revenge. he does not like made to be looked a fool. anytime he can get back i think that is what he is going to do. i truly appreciate people like eric swalwell standing tall. they are standing tall. there are a lot of people out there that are afraid right now. i believe with donald trump's rhetoric why shouldn't they be? they should take that serious. i think that is very

disingenuous to dismiss anybody's concern about being afraid about what he might do for retribution or revenge. we need to take that seriously. >> i want to get on what this looks like with both of you. i have to sneak in a break. can you stick around? >> yeah. >> we will all be right back. r

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your body and your life defended the men and women. republicans and democrats. members of congress and their step inside the u.s. capitol, but you put yourself on the line and told the country the truth about what happened that day. and gave the committee a mandate to not just find the hitman but the person who hired the hitman. the department of justice would go on to criminally charge donald trump for his actions on or around january 6. when you talk about wondering if it was worth it. half the country voted for donald trump again. half the country voted for kamala harris. when you look at the stakes of nothing less than democratic norms. not doing the things we are talking about because even for trump they are so extraordinary. gelling your opponents but we do not even have that as an option. you can prosecute them, but not

without fax. you certainly cannot gelled them unless they are found guilty of jury or peers. what do you imagine your willingness or appetite engaged in the public arena over the next four years to be? >> that is a great question. that is definitely a good question, but i think that's really important that well you have an ability to desire the will power to speak out when you see something wrong. one of the things john lois was so adamant about when you see something wrong is to do it. we spoke out because we wanted accountability. i spoke out to give voices to other officers. i was on capitol hill today walking around and see my coworkers that were unable to speak out and say the things they wanted to say. keep using your voice.

i feel like it is still a responsibility because if we are quiet about what is happening right now it kind of normalizes. we talk about bringing the temperature down. we have to be honest. mpature is up right now, and it is not because people are calling out what they see as injustice or wrong. i think it's important to continue to speak out and not accept the type of behavior that happened on january 6 in the type of people that supported donald trump. can't accept that as normal because the democracy will continue after donald trump is no longer the president. >> i am really glad that was her answer. i was nervous to hear what you had to say. i think that is absolutely right. what he intends with all of this is to silence any

criticism to not be made to look foolish by the people who saw him and can attest to the food particles thrown against the wall. people who can attest to the things he said.>> you just read the inconvenient truth. we did not make him look foolish. just talking about what happened. and inconvenient truth. i think it's important to continue to speak out even if it is an inconvenient truth. >> i have heard you have those. if you have more i would love to give you the last word. >> i do. i will tell you i had lunch with harry and some of the other officers today with speaker pelosi. i wanted to just share with them obviously gratitude during this season of thanks, but also that i am not going away. a whole new crop of leaders. i

still have a january 6th lawsuit joined with other officers that is not going away. we are actually proceeding. in the last week we deposed some of the highest ranking officials in the trump administration. some who are going back into the trump administration, so we are headed to trial. there is precedent that does not allow him to get rid of this while he is president, so we are still seeking accountability. as long as the american people stand tall for fairness and justice and equality i am going to stand tall. i need people at home to be just as strong as people like harry, and we are going to get through this. >> nobody is as strong as harry, but i take your point. another short break for us. we will be right back. ight bac. i'm right at home, out here on the land. and i'm in my lane

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. we will go out and find the conspiritors. who lied about citizens and come after you criminally or civilly we will figure it out. we are putting you all on notice. >> hi, again, everyone. mark twain's famous saying, history does not repeat itself but it often rhymes was mentioned on this program yesterday and it is seemingly more and more relevant with each new development and news cycle as many of us brace ourselves for donald trump's

return to the white house. because if the second trump administration follows through. patel going after journalists and the media, would not be the first time that happened. that is not a norm for a first time for a trump white house. a brand-new report reveals the doj during trump's first term did it already. they obtained phone and text records from journalists in 2017 and 2018 when seeking to investigate leaked information and two members of congress and 43 congressional staffers. the seizures had been reported on in 2021 but today's ig report exposes that it was done in a brooder manner. the report calls out trump's

doj saying it failed to take a couldn't of the separation of powers by seizing communication records and lawmakers and the doj violated the only policy in obtaining information from reporters. the biden administration barred the practice of secretly obtaining from journalists but that security may soon be removed again. trump administration is expected to roll back protections ag garland adopted for journalists and perhaps even eliminate earlier limits democratic and republican administrations put on such demands. legislation pending in congress could block those moves. last month trump urged republican lawmakers to kill the measure known as the press act. it is where we start the hour. some of our favorite experts and friends. top officials, the department of justice and legal analyst is back.

also joining us, former republican congress plan and msnbc political analyst is here. joining us by phone. new york investigator mike schmidt is here. mike, you had your phone records taken by the trump justice department, what do you understand for the first time more deeply from today's ig report? you had the president of the united states he wanted the press to look at. the enemy of the people and singled out the press time and time again. you then had a justice department that went ahead and targeted those reporters with subpoenas to get their information the question for us was the department doing what the president wanted? this is why folks will tell you

the president's of the united states should not talk about criminal investigations wherever anything is done are they doing it on behalf of the president? that is the question about all of this. why was it done? and, there was a perception issue. what we learned today is that all of the rules that were in place for how this is supposed to be done were not followed. and, again, that brings us back to this question of why were they not followed? were they not followed because the department of being sloppy? were they not followed purposely? you know, my reading of the report is they did not find any, you know, political, you know, reason for why this was done. but, once again, you have a situation where the justice department did something and there is, you know, they did it under president of the united states who wanted things like

this done. he talked about it behind closed doors constantly. dating back to when james comey was fbi director and very upset that he was not prosecuted as a leaker. here you are having a department taking action in regards to reporters not following the rules and, you know, leaving anyone, you know, who covers these things or looks at these things wondering why did it happen? >> your colleagues reported on the story at the time. they wrote in part the trump justice department seized the phone records of four "new york times" reporters spanning nearly four months in 2017 as part of a leak investigation that was disclosed by biden administration. do you know what they were looking for based on the four journalists they took and what the four of you were reporting, were they looking at comey or do you have that information? >> reporter: well, we know there was an ongoing leak

investigation into how classified information ended up in a story we wrote in april of 2017 about how the fbi handled this investigation of hillary clinton email. obtaining classified information, we do know there was an investigation that looked at if comey leaked information and if his friend and advisory dan richton had been part of that. and, that, those things we know were things that the department scrutinized and investigated. we do know according to bill barr's book even in the last meeting with donald trump, trump -- [broken audio ] donal, trump -- [broken audio ] those are sort of the thing that we know about what the department was looking at in the investigation that it was looking at but even today we learned new details about the different things the department

was to obtain, different numbers of ours that they were looking at and it still sort of leaves us, you know, you read the report and you find out the department did not follow the rules they put in place for just these types of situations. those rules, according to the report were not followed. >> and andrew weiss who he is talking about how will trump use doj to prosecute his enemies, he successfully used doj to harass a list of enemies with the guardrails of folks around him. again, you got kash patel directly threatening to use the department criminally or civilly whatever works. he basically says we are finding out today from inspector general report that they already have done that. let me press you on what mike is talking about. bill barr's role in all of

this. inspector general report about bill barr. >> we were unable to confirm if the dni certification obtained in another investigation was provided to the attorney general before he authorized the request. and the department did not obtain the attorney general's express authorization for the ndos that were sought in connection with compulsory process issued in the investigation. given the important interest at stake we were troubled that these failures occurred. particularly given that only a few years elapsed since the department substantially overhauled the news media in 2014 and 2015 following serious criticisms concerning of department's efforts to obtain news records from the members of the media. do a little bit of translating for us. >> reporter: this story could not be more important in terms of thinking about what could be happening in the next administration. what we are talking about here is internal department of justice policy. so, this is something that the

next attorney general and the next president of the united states can control. now, what is the policy? the department of justice in various administrations has had increasingly restrictive policies in the barack obama administration and in the biden administration. there were quite restrictive policies, merrick garland is the most restricted in terms of what the department can do when it seeks to impeach reporters judge? because of the first amendment protection, a lot of categories off limits when you can subpoena and even when you do seek and obtain approval from senior leadership up and until the attorney general you can not seek what is called an ndo. the letters that you just read, nicolle that is a nondisclosure

agreement. meaning in the rare circumstance in the current administration where you are given authority to subpoena records from a journalist to get their phone records you can't have a nondisclosure order. that means the journalist does not learn that it is happening. that was one of the key criticisms in this report that under the trump administration they obtained these nondisclosure orders, ndos so "the washington post,," cnn, the "new york times" did not know it was happening. the same thing on the congressional side, nondisclosure orders which means the recipient is not able to go to court to challenge it. in the next administration, the next attorney general and the president can wipe out all of the protections that merrick garland put in place to protect the press and to protect

congressional leaders and staffers from being the subjects of abusive subpoenas. and this, this really is something that in the democratic administrations you have seen an increasing effort to honor the role of the 4th estate. it will be really critical in this up coming administration that you have thattability and remains to be seen if we are going to return to -- that ability and remains to be seen if we will return to bill barr's administration where there were these lapses that now have been documented by the inspector general report. both in terms of reporters and in terms of congressional leaders and staffers. >> let me turn to the section about congress. it seems to be going after the two remaining checks on trump's power. the fourth estate or anyone in

congress that sought to conduct any sort of oversight over him. this is from the report on the chilling effect. quote we believe that using compulsory process to obtain such records when based solely on the close proximity of the time between the access of the classified information and the subsequent publication risks chilling congress'sability to conduct oversight of the executive branch because it exposes congressional officials to have their records reviewed by department solely for conducting congress's constitutionally oversight duties. give us a translation there on how that, how that operates. interestingly, maybe a footnote of history now, kash patel's records were swept up, a congressional staffer at the time. this reach into journalists is not mainstream journalists. it can be right wing journalists as well. this reach into congress is not just democratic members in this incidence it was republican

staffers at least, as well. >> reporter: so, we talked about reporters and the fact that there is a first amendment of the constitution and in honor of that first amendment the department of justice has made it increasingly lard to when you will be able to -- hard to when you will be able to subpoena these records. make it hard so there is anability not to chill the first amendment rights for all of us the congress has something in the constitution that is akin to the first amendment. the speech and debate clause. and they are immunized. can not be prosecuted for things that happen on the floor of the senate or the house and things related to what happens on the floor of the senate and the house. if it is things that are part of that function. and the concern that you are hearing in the inspector general's report that you

alluded to, nicolle is alcohol that concern. congress, if we are dealing with democrats or republicans, they have an independent goal. what the current administration has done under merrick garland is put in a whole variety of restrictions, not just with the respect to reporters but also with respect to congress to make sure that their using those authorities responsibly. you don't want a low-level federal prosecutor sort of going, you know, off on their own without really serious review at senior levels. and, remember, this is something that is just doj policy. department of justice policy. so, it can be gone in a sweep of a hand as soon as you have a new attorney general. it could have real effects on the ability of whistle-blowers and the ability of oversight. if we are talking about the

legislative branch or what you today in day out, nico well, le which -- nicolle which is what you do every day. >> buckle up is what i say. your thoughts? >> this is what happens when republicans on capital hill normalize donald trump and the republican voters that voted for him in 2024 that saw what he did in '16 and '20 and said that is okay i will go along with this. it is no surprise based on the reporting that bill barr went around his own department's policy and engaged in this type of aggressive monitoring that seemed to be outside not just doj norms as andrew says but outside arguably constitutional norms as well. and i think it is no surprise that bill barr did this.

what pam bondi, should she be confirmed do this. so often we talk about donald trump using the department of justice or directing the department of justice. as michael cohen reminds us including onset with you, sometimes he does not tell you what to do you know what he wants toy do. eight years into this whoever the attorney general coming in, should be pam bondi knows what trump wants to do. faced with the same question, did you belave in the same behavior? do you do it more aggressively? now we see perhaps kash patel? they know what they got away with four years ago and coming back with a fresh team to be more aggressive. no surprise here. it sits in the laps on republicans on capitol hill and republican voters who decided to return this type of administration to washington in january. >> it does, as a final point, put bill barr in a unique place

in history. he is on the enemy's list to be prosecuted. it was such a clear danger to democratic norms, freedom of the press, his own department policies while he ran it. he is just in a category, in a category of his own. andrew weissman and mike schmidt by phone, thank you for talking with us, david sticks around for the hour. it is a big blow for the man that built this country's right wing news organization, we suppose, why his failed bid to change his family trust raises big new questions about the future of fox news and its conservative worldview. that story is next. plus, sneakers to bibles to guitars and now cologne? perfume? trump's money grab knows no bounds of dignity or limit or price point or anything else. weeks before he returns to the

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. it was suggested that it was your dad's wish that kendall take over as ceo. >> oh, so, he underlined recently? underlined or crossed out? >> i am not saying for or against. >> are you serious?

>> i mean it is kind of . >> let me see it. it is underlined or crossed out it does not really matter because legally it is the board who will choose. >> how good was "succession" i missed that. it was a big plot, a big debate as the three siblings fought each other to take control of their father's company when he died. kendall's name underlined or crossed out. we show you that clip because it is better than anything in the news but it is connected to now reporting in the "new york times" and it sounds like the world of "succession" is playing out in real life. rupert murdoch is trying to secure his outlets in australia and fox news and britain.

nevada commissioner ruled resoundingly against rupert murdoc's attempts to change his family's trust to consolidate his eldest son lachlan's and lock in fox news. the commissioner edmond gorman, jr concluded in a decision filed on saturday that the father and son, who is the head of fox news and news corp, acted in bad faith in their effort to amend their trust that divides the control of the company equally among murdoch's four oldest children, lachlan, james, elizabeth and prudence after his death. the effort was not made for money reasons but editorial reasons. murdoch, now 93, has long intended to bequeath these sprawling media conglomerates

to his children but determined to preserve his empire. these two desires is a growing challenge for him. james and elizabeth have less conservative views thatten their father or brother. if murdoch fails to lock in lachlan's leadership of the company he will be unable to ensure that fox news will remain a right-wing news outlet after his death putting in jeopardy the legacy of the conservative empire he spent his life building. fox news started in 1996 changed the media landscape as the right-wing network and held an out side impact on our government especially with trump atop the republican party and heading back to the white house. demonstrating that point, so far, nearly a dozen of trump's new staff picks for his second term are fox news hosts or contributors. joining our conversation, president of media matters for america, david is here as well. angela in this view what

matters the most in this story? >> the timing here. and, the timing does not over -- angelo, in this view what matters the most in this story? >> the timing here. what led to james and elizabeth have planning and discussion meetings about what happens in the event of their father's death and oh, wait a minute, they might replace him. something else happen fld 2023. that is all of the revelations from the dom dominan lawsuit came to light. right up to the lead up to and the aftermath of the election and just how deep fox was in terms of helping trump, you know, undermine the election, lie about it, that they knew that the things they were saying about the election being stolen was a total lie and pushed it over and over and

over again everyone at the highest levels. if you are rupert murdoch you begithprocess of changing the trust so they don't boot out lachlan. you got a perspective how important fox news was. without fox news much of what took place including january 6 was not able to happen. fox news helped build the scaffolding. they validated all of the laws, even murdoch said it. fox was the only entity that could of prevented january 6th about telling the truth. he thought about it two days beforehand and told his onair tall tonight tell the truth about it. not academic experiment or the family drama is obviously fascinating and intriguing it is that we got a real live example of fox's destructive power in practice and now trump is back in the white house and

the murdoch's attempt to reenforce lachlan's future there it tells everything where fox has opinion and where it is going and we have a chance to change that. the catalyst was, you know, they started discussing it because of what was happening in the media around the dominion filings. >> i will always think that the filing gave us a word used for donald trump that i never heard before in covering him since 2014 and that was demonic, used by tucker carlson. a demonic force. your thoughts about this new reporting? >> nicolle we are talking autopsies, what did the democrats do wrong. the greatest challenge for democrats going forward is not necessarily republican candidates. they don't have good ones,

trump was a bad candidate, a convicted criminal that grabbed about sexual assault and wants to topple democracy, they bring remarkable candidates, the greatest challenge for democrats right now is fox news t is the fox news enterprise and the fox news environment which angelo said without murdoch's machine january 6th may not of happened. whatever we learned in settlement, evidence would not come to light of the false hood they lay in front of the american people. clear it is wrapped in the white nationalist stories or migrant caravans or biden the crime family. the effort by and successful effort by fox news to stoke the vision and stoke anxiety and to stoke anger is real. it may be more powerful than republican or democratic force. and democrats have to figure

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. back with angelo and david. might be my favorite conversation in a long time. what happens when you win you overread the significance of a victory. any normal person does. trump is surely doing that. the other side when you lose is you think you have to scrap everything. truth is country is divided exactly in half. one thing that clearly does not work as well for pro democracy side is delivery system the truth is tedious. it takes the truth-telling side, democratic party, a lot longer to combat the lies and deliver the messages to the public. what is an effort to build something equally powerful look like if that side wanted to try to build it? >> reporter: i think you said something before the break and just now which is you sort of captioned it.

even the idea that it is responsible for democrats to combat the lies, part of the challenge there, that, fox news and the republican narrative has narrative dominance. you have to always be responding to it. defensive posture because of both the gravitational force of fox news and the rest of the right-wing media landscape that can function like an echo chamber and that is how they get narrative dominance. the way you deal with it, you can combat the lies every day, a challenge. the question is on it. we need something bigger and deeper. what i would say a mind shift orientation, fox news was born out of the idea that something needed to be created to make sure what happened to richard nixon never happened again. fox news was part of a consolation of republican right- leaning media properties invested in. they understood the long-term political advantage. balance out what they saw in the rest of the media. the same thing needs to happen about the liberal side.

not a resource question. there is a $one billion spent on ad that did not really work last cycle. you can take 10% of that, a small fraction and dump it into building audiences. many of those creators that build the audiences many will not go anywhere and some will take off and they will build echo chambers. one illustration of that. air america that went off of the air 15 plus years ago, the talent from, the one investment that liberals and democrats made are living off of the fumes. rachel maddow is part of that. they started there, built audiences and moved on. i think that is the first step. obviously we should not try to build a parallel, but building it and dumping money into the landscape. david i want to come back to your point about rage and anger and you talked to anyone

who sort of consumes that -- bubble is the wrong word it is like a sealed distortion field, right, where vigilantes can be heros in that world. there is a longing for something that is gone. this continued rage. it is, it is, it has racist under tones. because of that there is a recoiling and effort to take the thing that have worked in terms of creating this sort of cultural couch on which an entire swath of the country sits for hours and hours a day and there are a lot more people on the pro-democracy side. and so i wonder how you take the idea that sort of repellent to some of the themes and the

under tones and figures are. it does draw people there and keep them there and sort of this dissidence, more people available that don't have the worldview but don't feel like there is a couch on which to gather. >> reporter: nicolle the success is a two-part strategy. tapped into really authentic human anger and secondly they offered a conservative solution, trump is a solution, but, that was the only solution they were offered on fox news and conservative media. part of the strategy has to be to migrate over some of the fox news audience. how do you do that? you do the first part just as well as fox news does. you recognize the real anger, the anxiety, you tap into it. but you offer solutions that actually are pro-democracy solutions and are right solutions within the american spirit. what do i mean about that.

it is okay to acknowledge in the '90s when we moved from manufacturing to service economy it dislocated and unemployed a lot of rural white workers, what is the solution to it? not tariffs but domestic manufacturing like democrats are trying to do. on hard social issues, marriage equality, lbgtq, fox news and conservatives it is against your religion values t may be but the answer is not to deny equity to millions of americans. the right answer is to say conservative christian, those beliefs are your beliefs and they belong to you and god and your church and we want to empower religious freedom and let you practice it within the church while we believe the constitution recognizes equity for all people. on racial issues and questions of criminal justice, we understand that maybe your community starts to look different or you see high

profile cases that fox news is putting in front of you, the answer is not deny justice to george floyd, giving him justice does not takeaway justice for you. not a 0 sum game in the united states. recognize the anxiety that fox news tap into. give them different solutions. they said when they started fox news it is not about being fair and balance today is telling half of the country how they are feeling is right. you can do that and offer different solutions. >> i sat across him in 2008 when i worked on the campaign, you hunt or are hunted. it is a, it is an interesting thing to talk about in the context of how it can be the things that work can be modeled and channeled for different purposes. i appreciate both of you for having that conversation with me. angelo, thank you for joining us today. david sticks around. ahead for us, with the victory in last month's election it is

a fresh chance for donald trump to sell anything he wants to his mag abase. he is taking full advantage of that. we will bring that story to you next we will bring that story to you next

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be. and there is something familiar about this trump story. knowing that donald trump, even after all of these years still can not pass up the tiniest opportunity to sell useless, you know what, to people who probably don't need it at all. because what is a general election victory if not an opportunity to sell perfume or excuse me, cologne. welcome to late stage capitalism 101. joining me now, the author of "lucky loser" and david is here as well. i feel like the volume of reporting that your colleague now wrote about was -- [ laughter ] >> was in a lot of ways one of the most telling indicators of how far from anything normal trump was taking the country. it was not always the splashy insults to foreign leaders or national security officials but

it was just this grifty intersection of his hotels and his properties in scotland and his buildings with the federal government. things that just never happened before. like everything in trump world. >> and plar plar. >> yes. all super sized now. tell me where this story is today especially sort of with the perspective of your view on him as a business person. >> reporter: it is interesting. we have seen this playbook before for years during "apprentice" and in the years after he put his name on so many things, for money. the difference now is that you got politics that he is trying to monetize now. the power and the power that he is about to get. and what is sort of, i would not say surprising, nothing is surprising at this point but you remember become when he was first elected president there was a lot of discussion about will he divest his assets, a lot of presidents do or put it in a trust and never have

anything to do with it. and oh, my, what do we do about the fact that he owns a hotel in washington. and all of this stuff. you know, and, how was all of that going to land and what are the conflicts and now we are looking at a president who seems to be willing to put his name on anything for profit. you know, as he is, since he has been elected and heading into the white house. today, i just made a list of stuff that has happened in the last pretty much, kind of year of things he length his name to for money. because, you mentioned the cologne and one-off thing about a bible. i made a list. guitars, sneakers, a trump watch, trump digital trading cards, there are pieces of clothing that he wore when he got his mug shot taken in georgia that have been sold. there is books he written like letters to trump which are letter that he got from leaders around the world that he turned into a book.

there is world liberty financial which is a cryptocompany that is another thing. soon he will be regulating it. he does not have a piece in it but he and members of his family may be drawing a salary. i can go on and on. it is really incredible. one of the things that you have to ask is, will it continue into the white house? we of course don't know. sort of seems like it. and a tell of it is maybe this is coming through a company. the trump organization for the most part, there is separate from that. it is coming, all of the money is coming to the company called cic ventures, cic is the acnam for commander in chief -- acronym for commander in chief. >> now, we mentioned all in on

the grift. it would appear? >> reporter: and, and free trump cologne in the gift bags. i can not see the late night jokes about the trump cologne. you might be curious about what it smells like. i will watch. [ laughter ] donald trump's a finnity now to the crypto[dropped audio ]. >> and asking for currency and cryptocurrency and his son, eric is overseas in the middle east tauts that. i think the real opportunity, what he sees as a real opportunity for grift and graft will be in the cryptoworld. the damming part he is doing it because he gets away with it. that is a new norm. he was the president with the audacity to shatter the norm. unapologetic about his own greed and break governance and the role of a president. he is doing it because he can

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fragrance your enemy's can't resist. he did not have the choice he had to use that picture because he does not have a picture of his own wife smiling at him. [ laughter ] >> and, although if you zoom in on jill biden she may just be holding her breath there. >> in response dr. biden sold her new line of pepper spray. >> oh! are you -- [beep] -- won. you won. you don't have to push merch anymore. [ laughter ] >> i find it hard to believe i am saying this, but, it is beneath you. [ laughter ] i mean, this might be something that makes us laugh? i guess? >> it is a hard act to follow. i have to say, you know, it all just makes me think russ butner and i wrote "lucky loser" and we would talk during the time

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