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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> justin trudeau, on a hot mic, appearing to ridicule donald trump back in 2019. the same year as this little display of affection with mrs. trump. now, donald trump is making jokes about annexing canada and reducing trudeau to the role of governor. after the canadian prime minister mounts a failed appeasement trip to mar-a-lago. also tonight, the rich young valedictorian accused of murdering the health care ceo has sparked division on the right about when killing is abhorrent and when it's not so bad. >> plus, senator elizabeth warren joins me as trump targets regulations and consumer

protections and dr. oz takes aim at medicare. but we begin tonight with what may very well be shaping up to be the worst cabinet in the history of the united states. donald trump's twitter billionaire clown caravan, many of whom were back on capitol hill today, peacocking with republican senators. including trump's pick for defense secretary, pete hegseth, who last night was on with his former colleague and trump's favorite tv host, sean hannity, attempting to clean up comments he made about women serving in the military. >> i also want an opportunity here to clarify comments that have been misconstrued that i somehow don't support women in the military. some of our greatest warriors out there are women. >> misconstrued you say? let's roll the tape of what he said on camera literally one month ago. >> i'm straight up just saying we should not have women in combat roles. it hasn't made us more

effective, hasn't made us more lethal. has made fighting more complicated. >> you know, it seems pretty clear to me. personally. this comes after weeks of uncertainty about whether hegseth can actually garner enough support for confirmation given the allegations of sexual assault, excessive drinking, financial mismanagement, all of which he denies, plus his plain lack of qualifications, but things do seem to be looking up for the former fox host, as senator joni ernst, a combat veteran herself, who was previously hesitant to throw her support behind the tv personality, changed her tune yesterday. saying in a statement, quote, i appreciate pete hegseth's responsiveness and respect for the process. adding that they have had encouraging conversations. so why the change of heart? politico reports that it may be as a result of a maga pressure campaign, writing in recent days, allies of trump adopted an approach that is not novel for the president-elect and his followers. make life extremely uncomfortable for anyone who dares to oppose him.

the swarm of maga attacks that the senator has experienced is a warning of what is in store for others who express skepticism of his personnel choices. they also note that allies of trump are already vowing to mount primary challenges against red state republican senators who do not support his nominees, a plan that trump's team is hinting support for. trump's emotional support billionaire elon musk is also reportedly warning republicans against standing in trump's way or his since, you know, he seems to be co-president. and it's not just hegseth who benefits from this approach. it's also trump' other controversial and other unqualified nominees, like rfk jr., who yesterday, 77 nobel laureates signed a letter urging the senate to reject rfk jr.'s nomination for hhs secretary, arguing he is unfit and would put american health in jeopardy. it's believed to be the first

time in living memory that nobel prize winners have united against a presidential cabinet pick. but if you think that will change the minds of any republican senator, i wouldn't hold your breath. especially as some republicans appear to be already urging fbi director christopher wray to leave his post before the end of his ten-year term, so trump's pick, kash patel, can swoop right on in. yesterday morning incoming senate judiciary chair chuck grassley told wray in a letter that he has a vote of no confidence in his leadership, writing, for the good of the country, it's time for you and your deputy to move on to the next chapter in your lives. later on that day, grassley posted this pic with patel, writing, it's time to shake things up. and if you think to yourself, how could it possibly get any worse? enter blake masters, remember him? the former venture capitalist turned failed arizona senate candidate and noted election

denier who during his campaign in 2022 says he blames black people for gun violence, yeah. that guy. sem afore is reporting he's under consideration to lead, wait for it, the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms. at this point, you can't even be surprised. this is what donald trump does. he gives jobs to people he likes. who are the most loyal to him and will do whatever he wants, whatever he says. qualifications be damned, and it's everything down to his daughter-in-law and juany be pop star who this week said she's stepping down as cochair of the rnc amid speculation she could be chosen to fill a senate seat in florida should marco rubio be confirmed as secretary of state, because why not, she's family? joining me is doug jones, former democratic senator from alabama, and juanita tolliver, author of the book, a more perfect party, which is awesome, you should all read it. senator.

all these people are going through, right? the fear, you can almost smell the fear among republican senators. >> yeah, i mean, look, you said it all. i got nothing. it's really amazing. and you know, look, this is not new about him threatening senators. he did this with house members. we have seen that over and over. i had two colleagues, jeff flake and bob corker, who decided not to run for the u.s. senate in 2018 because of those threats. you know, so this is nothing new. i think he'll follow through with it. and he's got senators also doing that bidding for him. there are a number of senators, and this is just highly, highly unusual. you have never seen this before in the united states. >> the guy who replaced you, to i believe the embarrassment of the state of alabama, talky tuberville, said we don't need to do advise and consent. trump vetted the nominees for us. he's already done the vetting. why do we even exist? why do we get a check?

he said literally they shouldn't do anything because trump already did it. >> we all know he's not doing it. there is no vetting at all. just as you said who he likes. it's a clear -- you know, what's a little thing like a constitution, your oath of office, what's that to stand in the way of a donald trump nominee. >> the cherry on top is tuberville obviously doesn't know the constitution or what his job is. that's fully in line with what donald trump wants. when he makes that strong arm move, which he has done internationally, that is trademark authoritarian behavior. and when these republican senators back down, having joni ernst, the only one who was remotely vocal -- >> people talk about her for a while as being bogue secretary of defense for a minute. >> imagine a woman more qualified than this former host. >> because i want to ask, because you talk about strong

arm tactics. pete hegseth is now threatening to sue, his lawyer put out a statement threatening to sue the woman who accused him of raping her, so now, to add insult to injury, this woman is now facing the threat of a lawsuit if he is denied his job of choice, if he doesn't get it, he's claiming he's going to sue her. >> even though he probably has no evidence, because remember, she filed the charges with police. the charges were dropped. there might have been an undisclosed payment and an nda where she's not on record any made statements. so even if he doesn't have evidence to bring in a lawsuit against her, the reality is, though, what resources does she have to retain attorneys and cover legal fees and make sure that she can protect herself from someone like hegseth? >> and the thing is the idea of a woman now having to deal with this, it was bad enough matt gaetz, who by the way, does have a new job. oann, he's going to be a host of apparently the 9:00 p.m. hour,

oan, should be amazing. >> an upgrade from the cameo videos. >> it is, and it's also actually a relief, i think, for women all across this country that somebody who was accused of what he was accused of which he denies, will not be in charge of being able to see anyone's fbi file. but i also want to talk about rfk jr. he is another one, significantly alarming. 77 nobel laureates saying this cannot happen. in addition to that, people in corn country and in rural states like alabama, they're now having to deal with the fact, he wants to wage war on corn. he has said his nominee for secretary of health and human services, he was in decatur, illinois, in the belly of the agriculture beast, saying corn products render its citizens ill. that's their livelihoods, just to tell you a few things made with corn syrup, candy, chewing

gum, cola, shampoo, granola bars, fast food items, bread, canned food, soft drinks. you know being in the senate, it's a heavily subsidized product. he said that's going to end. >> i don't know how trump is going to feel about it or his secretary of agriculture or all the farmers who supported him. i think they're going to be up in arms about this. kennedy is an interesting pick here because on the one hand, he is totally unqualified. has all these bizarre theories. nobel laureates coming out against him. the list goes on and on and on. here's the thing, joy. if he is not confirmed, don't you believe he will end up at the white house in charge of doing all of this, and won't have congress to answer for. won't have those hearings, won't have the democrats won't have the ability to call him before congress. it's a mixed bag when turning him down because oversight in

congress is important. and you know, the guy is just -- he should not be there, but at the same time, i don't want a de facto health czar in the white house. >> by the way, if he doesn't get through, trump is just going to nominate dr. phil. >> he has a roster of unqualified clowns in waiting for him. i think the other thing about the letter from the nobel laureates, it highlights one clear friction within our country. who decides who is a trusted source? who decides what the truth is? and i think we have had an explicit breakdown over what is real and what is not. which ultimately alters the fiber of whatever social construct is undergirding this democratic experience in america. >> that's a great point. i think it is sort of shocking, we're going to talk about it later on with senator warren, the extent to which a lot of americans have ceded that to whatever billionaire they like. >> to your point about the farmers impacted by potential rollbacks of subsidies on corn,

even if that happens and they're hit, there's no guarantee they will point to trump as the blame for that. >> in fact, i would submit that they will not. and the reason they will not is because the infrastructure that is out there by republicans to counter the argument -- >> fox, ex-twitter, you name it. >> it is tiktok, it is so subtle and so widespread that it's hard to just rattle off these things. i think you're right, the farm bureaus across the country will continue to support because all they will be hearing is, this is good for you. and this is good for america. and we have got to do it. >> all they'll be hearing is the reason you're suffering, it's still the trans kids, it's still the immigrants. and they have this super infrastructure on social media and fox, et cetera, that will keep telling these people, it's black people, it's brown people, it's women who won't have babies, it's not us. >> i feel like laurence fishburne in school days, wake

up. wake up. and i think that is something that the core of understanding reality is education. the core of understanding and making sense of what you're being fed every day is education. how else are you going to differentiate the lies from the truth. how else do you understand the core source of things and that's what's missing. i keep coming back to it because it is key to our future as a people. >> yeah, and i think the other piece of it is that you have now, the big change since the tea party movement is that you now have united states senators, who tommy tuberville has demonstrated, he doesn't know what the civil rights act is, people are coming in because he's a football coach, he doesn't know anything. >> vibes. >> you're seeing a political party descend into whatever is hot on social media, that's what the voters want. and they're not expecting marjorie taylor greene to deliver anything or laurent boebert to do anything other than keep the vibes going. >> and support donald trump. >> and just support trump, no

matter what. >> we have lost some outstanding middle of the road senators who really worked across the aisle doing a lot of great things over the years. from 2018, 2020, 2022, and now. and they're being replaced -- the senate unfortunately, to some extent, is becoming a lot like the house. >> how visceral is the fear of being primaried? it does seem, you have proven, there is life after being a senator. it's not as if it's the end of the world. mitt romney has said that, but these senators seem to be so terrified they will not be in their seat, that someone who joni ernst, i respect her service, is terrified of elon musk and trump. >> let me come to her defense a little bit. i don't think she has completely flipped like so many people have said. she's going to let this play out. remember, she said i respect him to go through this process. she knows that that hearing is going to be an ugly hearing for this guy. and democrats will be loaded, and it's not just the he

said/she said. it's the mismanagement of funds at veterans organizations, hurting veterans, doing all of those things. i really think she is letting this process play out, which quite frankly, i think is the way -- >> the right thing to do. >> democrats are allowing this to play out. they're being very quiet. >> because it's not their job to convince people of what we all see. that's the reality. >> in the end, this is republicans' game. look, i'm going to look into the camera, if you don't like anything that happens, that's going on in the country at least in the next two years, democrats are not in power anywhere from the courts all the way to the white house. this is on republicans. if you don't like it, look at them. doug jones and juanita tolliver, thank you. up next, trump has somehow reached new lows in his mockery of other countries and leaders like canada's justin trudeau. des like canada's justin trudeau holiday memories made by alexis brought to you by etsy.

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with 41 days to go until the presidential inauguration, we're seeing a striking contrast from leaders at home and abroad in terms of bending the knee or standing up to the once and future president. in new york city, mayor eric adams is showing a real profile in courage. by capitulating to trump and closing shelters for asylum seekers before trump is even in office. it's a sharp contrast to california governor gavin newsom, who is working to finish a new port of entry as trump threatens a border crackdown. internationally, you have the

bahamas and mexico among the countries pushing back and telling trump they want no part in trafficking humans moved from what likely will be trump and homan's constragz camps in the southern use, while canada and france are taking a different approach and trying to befriend trump. his two competing approaches, but you only get to keep your dignity with one of them. and the irony of it is that both of those choices ultimately render the same result. the truth is no matter how nice or how cordial, you'll never have a seat at trump's table. take canada, whose young prime minister decided to make the trip to mar-a-lago and cozy up to trump. only to wake up this morning to the former president calling trudeau the governor of america's 51st state in a wee hours social media post. joining me is ed luce, u.s. chief columnist for the financial times, someone i have long wanted to get on the show. so great to finally get to meet you in person.

let's talk about mexico's response to donald trump's threats of tariff wars and flooding them with migrants, immigrants he wants to deport, and canada's softer approach, which is let's be friends and then being humiliated, justin trudeau. >> it's a tale of two different leaders. you have trudeau going to mar-a-lago, straight away after this 25% tariff threat was issued by trump. capping the hand, as it were. in a kind of posture of submission, although of course, the canadians would push back on that, and sheinbaum from mexico, issuing a correct but icily phrased rebuttal of trump's points. and essentially doing the opposite of what trudeau did, not bending the knee. i guess it's partly a difference between characters, but sheinbaum of course, has recently been inaugurated. she's in the first flush of a

strongly elected presidency. trudeau is dying a political death by a thousand cuts. he faces an election next year which his liberal party is almost certain to lose. and trump smells weakness, and exploits weakness, and trudeau is kind of nowadays weakness personified. >> so are you saying -- i should add that the bahamas also, the folks are like we're not doing this with you so don't try to send -- turks and caicos is not open for business. but if you do look at the way latin america sort of is unfolding, to the south of us, we have a lot of instability. you have argentina, you have maduro in venezuela, trump has now got a deal with those two. if canada, for instance, elects a trump-like figure, then what for the region? >> i think the region is going to see a lot more turmoil in trump's second term, and a lot more trump sort of upfrontism, in the next time around than we saw in the first term.

he was kind of distracted last time around. we also have marco rubio, and rubio, you know, is of cuban origin. and he has sort of -- i won't say bull varian abbitions but he sees himself as a big player. >> and a future president. >> and a future president. he's going to try to sort of end maduro in venezuela. i suspect he'll want a maximum pressure thing. trump will decide and rubio will agree vigorousry with whatever trump says. >> he seems to admire maduro, and he keeps on saying the lowest crime rate in the world is venezuela. yet, a lot of the people he would like to very quickly deport, including in new york, are venezuelan. so he said that venezuela is a target in terms of people here in this country so he's negative toward venezuelans. but he seems to like the leadership. >> i think maduro in ump's

version, what trump would like to do, enter the asylums and lead them to claim asylum. i think he confuses asylums quite a bit and mment the country of murders and gangs, and then they turn up in aurora, colorado, which is where he's going to focus the first wave of deportation, places like that. >> let's talk about the wider world. you have bibi netanyahu going on trial, but also feeling very bullish on himself with syria, the big change in government there, and sort of thumping their chest and he's saying it was because of israel's actions. he's now free to annex the west bank, to annex gaza, do whatever he wants. the saudis seem free to act. china, you know, seems free. it seems like the freedom of people with autocratic tendencies is going to increase over the next couple years. >> it's a jungle out there, and that's where trump feels comfortable. in terms of netanyahu and his

sort of free sort of road ahead for him, iran is a sitting duck. for any israeli prime minister, iran is the ultimate existential problem. its nuclear program. iran lost most of its missile defenses, most of its ability to produce missiles. it's lost all its proxies in hezbollah, most of its proxies, and now of course, its greatest middle eastern ally in assad in syria. right now, the temptation for netanyahu to go for iran and to go for its nuclear program is going to be overwhelming. as you remember from trump's first term, trump is not into boots on the ground, but he is into drone attacks and stuff like that. and he took out iran's most senior military figure, soleimani. so watch the iranian space. that's very, very vulnerable. it's extremely exposed right now. >> as is everything. it feels like the whole world is just one big game of whac-a-mole

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today, the 26-year-old suspect in the killing of

unitedhealthcare ceo was back in a pennsylvania courtroom for an extradition hearing to determine when he'll be brought back to new york to face charges including second degree murder. the case has brought out a clear division in the reaction among those on the right. you see, when popular conservative pundits like ben shapiro and anti-woman zealot matt walsh try to attack evil liberals for celebrating the murder of a ceo, they were met with backlash from some of their own supporters, because the truth is,thosis on the right don't necessarily abhor violence if it's against someone they don't like, like black lives matter activists or pro pro-palestinian protesters. that's why we see them get behind kyle rittenhouse, who shot and killed two blm protesters, or george zimmerman, and turn them into cause celebres. look at in nearly the same breath, fox's laura ingraham speaks about the 26-year-old unitedhealthcare suspect and

daniel penny who was just acquitted yesterday in the subway chokehold death of jordan neely. >> which i was sent in the commercial break earlier. crazy. he's cute, and people celebrating this, this is a sickness, honestly. it's so disappointing, but i guess we shouldn't be surprised. thank you so much. and up next, the other big news out of new york, daniel penny, a lot of people think he's a hero, and tonight, he's not guilty. my take next. >> wow. joining me now is jason johnson, professor of politics and journalism at morgan state university and host of the podcast, a word with jason johnson. >> we just witnessed a murder of irony. that was a murder right there. irony is officially dead under any and all circumstances. we should not be surprised in this country they just re-elected donald trump. >> reality is, if you go back to the trayvon martin case, before that, the justification for

lynching around conservatives, whether the conservatives wearing the "d" uniform or the "r" uniform, conservatism has justified violence, january 6th, wilmington, if it's violence for the purposes they want, they're cool with it. >> if the victim is somebody i don't like or someone they feel deserves it, then a lot of times people are willing to justify violence. it's an unfortunate thing and a very american thing. we worship vigilante violence. we worship action heroes, charles bronson, all these people who take it into their own hands. i think the sad part about this, frankly, is that i am not going to pretend that in a country that's been started and operated off violence, that violence doesn't sometimes solve things, but the man who was killed is a cog in a machine. it's not going to change anything about how health care operates in this country. you have killed a man, harmed his family, and the machine is going to keep going. it didn't really accomplish anything.

>> the thing that is wild about it, luigi mangione, he's everywhere, people celebrating him, saying don't catch him, that sort of thing. he did have his arraignment today and he stood up and yelled something about this is unfair, it's not right. yada yada. there he goes walking in today, he yelled something about -- there he goes. turning himself into sort of a folk hero, and leaning into that. he's probably richer than the guy that he killed. his family, he has generational wealth. >> yes. >> so he probably was wealthier than the ceo that he killed. >> yes, this is lex luther killing a storm trooper. and here's the thing, the humanity of this is that no matter how much money you have, you can still be taken advantage of by our unfair health care system. all the money in the world can't fix a broken back. all the money in the world can't save your grandmother. but the attitude that, well, if i can't get things my way, or if i'm in pain, that singular violence is a way to go is a

level of privilege that the vast majority of people in america suffering can't exact. >> a loft opeople falling in love with luigi mangione are opposed to regulating the insurance companies. that's how you could stop them taking advantage. left and right, we agree, the system is broken and insurance companies are bilking us. unitedhealthcare is being sued for a reason. but they'll just replace him with another ceo and keep doing it to you, but regulation would fix it. they're against regulation. >> they want the catharsis of this one man action, it's like everyone talking about the anesthesiologist, that changed because of what happened? probably not. if there was a general level of understanding about health care, if we had members of congress who would engage health care as a real issue, you weebt have these problems. this is my real concern, this is very real for you and me and

everybody else who does anything. this person worked alone. i sincerely believe he very likely worked alone. any crazy person who views somebody as the genesis of all their problems can go out and do this. that's what happens when you have a country that worships violence and where you don't regulate gun. >> and this is the same approach that is taken by the right when it comes to gun violence. it's very sad that 3-year-olds were killed but the answer would be regulating guns but we're not willing to do that. there's an unwillingness to do any of the things to make it better. i was saying it the other day, i said it on my tiktok, on this show, the majority of voters in this country just elected to run america like unitedhealthcare. this country will now be run the same way unitedhealthcare is, vicious cost cutting, merciless cost cutting, cutting people's benefits, cutting veteran benefits, refusing care, taking away obamacare, that is unitedhealthcare. >> and limiting people's ability to sue and pursue government

regulation to stop the problems. literally, people just said, i want more of this, and again, the problem is, i have a lot of empathy for everybody on all sides of the situation. i had to take care of people who were suffering medically, but this ain't the answer. i honestly wish rather than the right wing people screaming and yelling and engaging in ridiculousness, i wish members of congress would stand up and say, hey, you know what, right and left, either because we're concerned about our own safety or the safety of the american people, let's do something about this. >> that would be so normal. this is america, jason. come on. jason johnson, thank you very much. we're gotham and the joker is in charge. coming up next, senator elizabeth warren joins us to talk about how the ultra rich have entirely eaten up, gobbled up, swallowed down, and taking over our entire system of government. don't go anywhere. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ask your doctor about farxiga.

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on november 5th, a majority of voters elected a billionaire under the guise of populism. it's fair to say that america's wealthiest have secured powerful positions and they're set to usher in the most unregulated pro corporation era since the gilded age. trump won in large part because of another billionaire, elon musk, who turned a social media plat nrm into a juggernaut of lies and disinformation. while musk was taking over social media, onard leo

celebrated the takeover of the judicial system serving at his crowning jewels. those justices are delivering victory after victory for large corporations. backed by other billionaires like charles koch who helped gut federal regulations leaving americans prey to pollution, financial abuse, and gun violence. the superrich at this point are so powerful, they will make up the majority of this upcoming administration. and they are touting a mandate to cut taxes for themselves while attacking things that protect the rest of us, such as unions, public education, and health care. joining me now is a senator really intending to stand in the way, senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. senator, so good to see you. >> so good to be here. >> is it too dark to say the billionaires ultimately won? >> i'm not going to give them won yet. i think they certainly are in the winning position. i think they got a ton of power. but you got to remember, there's a lot that still goes on down in the gears. so just today, we actually had a victory. let's stop and do a smile for a

minute. these don't come so often. you know how there are all these grocery stores out there and the whole idea is they will compete with each other and it keeps prices low. in fact, there are only two. can get there are a lot of names. there's shaw's and star and ralph's. they're just two companies that own all of them. and the two said, let's merge. right? what could possibly go wrong? we will be a unit company and not have to do nasty things like have to compete with each other. and the ftc took them to court. said no you can't do that. and today, this very day, the ftc won, go lena khan. >> okay. >> go forces that say we're going to keep some competition in this economy. i celebrate that, partly, to remind everybody why it matters. because blocking that merger means at least we still have some competition. >> yeah. >> and that's really important, and also, to remind you, it is

possible to do it. and these regulatory agencies already have law. we don't have to pass new laws. we just have to get people into those places who have the courage. ftc has shown they can do it. >> we're talking a lot about this luigi mangione, the case about the unitedhealthcare ceo. people are very angry at health care, for a good reason, denying care, and the whole system. killing a ceo is not the way to change. you have to regulate them. we have attempts to try to rein in some of the big businesses. the consumer financial protection bureau, which was your creation, the trump administration wants to get rid of it. that's protecting people from like credit card fraud. what happens if that goes away? >> look, terrible for individuals, but stop and think overall about the social contract. you know, part of the deal in how we have kept this democracy, this economy, this country on a fairly steady path for more than 200 years has been that those at the top pay a little more in taxes, a little less rich than

they otherwise might be, and everybody else at least gets a chance. and what happens when you turn this into the billionaires run it all is they get the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. and look, we'll say it over and over. violence is never the answer, this guy gets a trial, who is allegedly killed this ceo of unitedhealth. you can only push people so far. and then, they start to take matters into their own hands. >> yeah. >> we need regulation in part to rein those guys in. you know where this is coming big time ahead of us is on taxes. that the big boys just like you said, their plan is to rush through this tax plan, right at the beginning of 2025. get themselves a bunch more tax breaks, and then put the real burden of running this country on ordinary hard working families. >> they will pay the tariff, they'll pay at the bottom. >> they can pay for it in taxes,

but the whole point is shove the cost somewhere else. >> onto the poor people. >> one way for billionaires to pick the pockets. >> one of the billionaires, dr. oz, he's very rich. he owns a lot of unitedhealthcare stock, and he's about to be able to be in charge of medicare itself. and there is a lot of fear that his first step will be to try to privatize it and make medicare advantage everyone's health plan. >> dr. oz owns more than half a million dollars in stock in the private version of medicare. if the public version of medicare, the one that everybody counts on, collapses, then dr. oz gets richer. and that is why dr. oz cannot, cannot, cannot have the job of being in charge of medicare. he makes money if medicare fails. and that kind of conflict right at the heart of running a system that protects every senior in

this country, that is fundamentally wrong and we have to put a stop to it. >> this is the reason i started out the way i did. you have elon musk, who has billions and billions in government contracts now having a say in who gets government contracts. people say starlink gets everything. nasa goes away. ramaswamy, who has gotten federal subsidies for his drug companies can now be in charge of saying you think what is not waste, fraud, and abuse, my companies. all the crypto people that are now, and the senator who is a crypto guy who wants to beat sherrod brown, he's lining up. i can weigh in on legislation that makes crypto king and i get money. people are flying down to doral to do their republican retreat to pay donald trump so that he gets money. it's literally just rich people sharing money among themselves. where do regular people, even trump voters, fit into that? >> that's the thing, trump voters don't fit in here at all. ordinary folks don't fit in here at all. where this one i think is going to start to hit is when all

those promises that donald trump made, remember how he promised that he's going to cut credit card interest rates down to 10%. >> no tax on tips. >> no tax on tips, no tax on social security. >> that's what he said. >> bring it on. because one of two things is going to happen. either he's going to deliver on those promises, which means he's going to have the courage to stand up to those billionaires or he's just pitching in with the billionaires and say all those people who count on him, all those people who voted, no, you don't really matter. but the point is, it's all framed up now. it's no longer, oh, we're in the campaign and he can promise this to this group and that to that group. and there were a lot of us, you included, who kept saying, wait a minute, you can't do both of those things at the same time. we're now coming to the part of the world where you literally can't do both of those things at the same time. >> right. >> and trump is going to have to make the choice. and he's going to either deliver

on some of those promises for people, or he's just handing this whole thing over to billionaires in return for a nice price. >> the record ain't good. he promises steel jobs would never go away. they went away. he did not do well in terms of creating jobs. he made a lot of promises now, there are people in u.s. steel unions that are upset he seems to be upset with nippon steel taking over u.s. steel, but you had some saying we wanted the takeovers because we wanted the jobs. he can't please both parts of his base. veterans benefits get cut, which is on ramaswamy's list, he has to answer to veterans who overwhelmingly supported him. >> oirx, yeah. listen, when you talk about who he's to answer to, remember, more than 70% of america, and that includes democrats, republicans, independents, want to see the rich pay, listen for the word, more in taxes. not less. not the same. more in taxes. so the big question is for

donald trump, who are you out there for? who are you going to deliver for? but here's the one for me. and i think for all of the rest of us. is to say, if you don't deliver for people the way you promised, then our job is to make sure you're held accountable. our job is to wrap that around your neck and make you wear it every single day. >> this is why we love to talk with senator elizabeth warren, because she makes it plain, makes it simple, and lets you understand what's happening. thank you so much. always appreciate you. coming up next, remembering the great poet nick kki giovann. i voltaren... for long lasting arthritis pain relief. (♪♪) for more than a decade farxiga has been trusted again and again, and again. ♪far-xi-ga♪ ♪far-xi-ga♪ ask your doctor about farxiga.

why can't we try it my way? i think that the only thing that's changed in the last -- since martin luther king, since '54, i think the only thing that has really changed is the black woman and what -- >> i don't think she's changed, i think she's become invisible. >> i think she's changed, because there was a time, my mother, my aunt, things like that, they would say, okay, that's the way you are going to establish her name, i'm going to go for it. in my generation says, no, no good. you must establish on a new base. >> the world has lost a giant. yolanda cornelia nikki giovanni junior, the literary icon whose work explored race, gender, sexuality, and family, died on monday in blacksburg, virginia. she was 81 years old.

her wife, virginia c fowler, said giovanni's death was caused by complications from lung cancer. a world renowned poet and one of the four most authors of the black arts movement, giovanni's artistic endeavors spanned decades. she emerged as a fiery voice of black liberation and remained outspoken and blunt with a sharp, wonderful sense of humor throughout her career, as a professor and an author of books for adults and children. i first had the extreme honor of interviewing ms. giovanni, my honorary member of delta sigma sorority for the research of black culture in new york where we geeked out on poems and space. she also famously sat down for conversations with her dear friends, james baldwin, and maia angelo. here she is speaking at

angelo's memorial service in new york in 2020. these iconic writers, among the most significant voices of the 20th century, are no longer with us, but their words will no longer fail us. one of ms. giovanni's best- known poems, "ego tripping." it is an anthem for these times. it's concluding passage reads, "i am so perfect so divine so ethereal so surreal i cannot be comprehended except by my permission i mean, i, can fly like a bird in the sky." rest in power to the amazing, brilliant, and wonderful nikki giovanni. and that is tonight's "reidout". thank you all for tuning in. we really appreciate you having us here tonight, and "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i don't think