that is all in on this tuesday night. i'll be back this weekend with my own show, saturday and seven- day sunday. alex wagner tonight starts right now. my good friend, alex, hey, alex. >> i just want to say the weekend shows in the last month have been where all the most insane news is happening, and i think of you every time something happens, which is basically every weekend. >> please send help anytime you want. >> i'll be there in spirit. thank you, my friend. tonight we start with a huge development in the world of cable news. >> may i announce matt gaetz and the matt gaetz show coming next month to oan. >> that is correct. matt gaetz is becoming a host on the one america news

network. but that is not big news, in fact, that may be the very small news. matt gaetz will join the likes of-- these people . now, you may not recognize any of them, because despite networks like oan trying their hardest over the years, the reality is fox news is still the conservative network in the united states, and it is fox that we have big news tonight. now that donald trump is headed back to the white house if you want to shape american politics fox is the place to be paid at least 12 of them off his cabinet picks have been fox news hosts or contributors. and, this use of fox as effectively a staffing agency extends far beyond just fox hosts and paid contributors. lots of trump administration picks are just fox news regulars, guests who appear on the channel hundreds of times a year. some like chris wright, trumps pick for energy secretary have

no government experience at all and only caught's attention because of appearances on fox news. in the last 24 hours we got news that the network's conservative mission could be facing an existential threat coming from the very top. but, let me back up. are you familiar with the show, succession? you should be. it's a fictional section of the murdoch family, the family that owns fox news and the new york post, the wall street journal, and the holster to king lear style family saga about the line of succession and a fictionalized version of fox's parent company. it is an incredible show, and if you have never seen it or

not finished it i'm about to reveal a fairly large spoiler, so you your tv now for just a minute or so if you prefer to watch your succession in piece. okay. at the end of the show, the last episodes, the patriarch of the family, the show's version of rupert murdoch, he dies unexpectedly. but instead of being able to process their father's death like normal people, the fictional murdoch kids in the show immediately start squabbling about the family business. >> you know, regardless of our personal familial loss in terms of a business perspective it is a material event-- together to reassure the market-- expect the market yes, will someone please think of the market? >> i'm trying to do my job. we are not pulling anything here. we just thought that since you were estranged we thought you might want us to be at the hub

on this one. >> we are not estranged. we weren't estranged. >> i simply meant that-- >> communications we had a family function last night, in fact, estranged is a strong word and not accurate. >> according to the reporting from the new york times the real-life murdoch children started discussing the public relations strategy for their father's death after that episode of succession went on the air. life imitates art. the episode prompted one of murdoch's daughter's representatives to write a succession memo to avoid a real- life repeat of the tv show. you can't make this up, or maybe you can. there is real drama surrounding what happens to fox and the murdoch media empire when the real-life rupert murdoch eventually dies. the real-life succession plan

of the media empire is based on an irrevocable trust, one that would divide control of the media empire equally among rupert's four eldest children. locklin, james, elizabeth, and prudence, after the elder murdoch's death. and while locklin murdoch, who is already executive chairman and ceo of the fox corporation, while he is a staunch conservative like his father, rupert, rupert's other children are reportedly not. so the times reports in recent years rupert and locklin have grown recently concerned that james, elizabeth, and prudence, are planning some sort of coup. a coup that after report of rupert's that would change fox news and maybe make it less of an audition space or echo chamber for conservative paranoia. the reason we know any of this is because rupert and lachlan

got so concerned about this alleged family plot to de- magify fox they begin a legal battle to change rules of the trust. this was not overtly about money, changes to the trust wouldn't have diminished any of rupert's children's financial stakes in the company. as the times puts it his legal battle was about the future control of the world's most powerful conservative media empire. the way lachlan and rupert reportedly planned to win the battle was appointed a whole bunch of new members to the family trust giving them the power they needed to dilute the power of the less conservative members of the murdoch clan. that meant not just offering voting power to two of rupert's children from another marriage, but also appointing conservative representatives, like former attorney general bill barr, to their family trust. yes, that bill barr. once they had appointed enough members to ensure a vote in

their favor lachlan and rupert, their plan was to alter the rules of the trust to give all the power in the event of rupert's death to lachlan murdoch, and thereby ensure the fox empire would stay safely conservative. that was the plan at least, but, as the times reports, at least at this juncture, that plan does not appear to have worked. a court official in nevada concluded lachlan and rupert murdoch acted in bad faith to amend the rules of the family trust, in his decision, he wrote mr. murdoch and lachlan's are presented is on the trust, including mr. bill barr, demonstrated a dishonesty of purpose and motive. he concluded, the play might have worked, but an evidentiary hearing, like a showdown in a game of poker is where gamesmanship collides with the fact, and at its conclusion all the bluffs are called, and the cards life face up.

so, does that mean for the future of fox news, and what does it really mean for the conservative movement in america? joining me now is angela kera soni, president and ceo of media matters for america. angelo, i am so glad you can join me and give me your thoughts on it. in terms of the importance of rupert or lachlan murdoch ultimately staying in charge of the conservative fox news network, how critical is it-- first of all, i should say, how important is anyone man in this scenario in your estimation? >> i need in this case it's really hard to separate out what fox news is in terms of its largest place within the right-wing landscape and rupert and lachlan murdoch. in this instance they are one and the same , and evidence of that is in the aftermath of the

2020 election, and rupert murdoch just before january 6th, a couple days before, was thinking to himself, that the only entity in the country that could correct the misunderstanding, the false information trump was pushing out there that the election was stolen, was fox news. he ultimately decided not to do that, that came as a result of the dominion lawsuit. every thing fox news did in 2020 is a consequence of rupert murdoch and now lachlan murdoch. they are inseparable in that way. >> the fact that this decision came down in nevada, how much import do you attach to the fact the other murdoch children, james, elizabeth, and prudence, may play a significant role in determining the ultimate direction of fox news? do you believe they will steer the network in a less conservative direction? >> i think that you know, i don't want to pretend that somehow they are saviors who will come in and sort of protect everybody from the destructive effects of fox

news. that's not what i think necessarily, but i don't think i need to think that. there are realities here that play out in this litigation, which is that fox news is about as much as making money as it is of advancing a political agenda. it is effectively a super pac in many ways in extension of murdoch's politics. they leave a lot of money on the table. advertiser issues they have had they were not maximizing profits, they were losing money every day during parts of those years. they were leaving money on the table, but they let that happen, because they were serving a political advantage during a period of time. so what i think is likely though is that they see a future for fox news. we got a few of this before james murdoch left. he had big plans for fox news post 2017 when he moved into him and lachlan murdoch for running the place. he had a very big strategy for

how they were going to expand their international footprint, how they were going to grow increasingly in the sports field, which would get massive amounts of increased revenue. and to weaken the brand, it was toxic brand globally. part of the reason they lost this satellite deal they were trying to get in the uk, regulators killed, because they were concerned about foxification of their own news there. so what do i think the likely is here? i think they see all the potential that this company could be if you don't make politics on par with making money. if you just make it about making money that means you do eliminate some of the extremist politics that are there, you don't do some of the crazy

things, you don't make yourself one and the same with sort of the trump administration, you actually focus on the business first, and the politics second or third. the effect of that would be to weaken it, and that matters, because fox news is like a center of gravity for the rest of the right-wing media. what they do when they are doing it well, and they are echoing it it reverberates through that massive right-wing media landscape. >> yeah, i would say politics is one thing, lies or another, and the defamation lawsuit is costing them just as much as anything else, right? the dominion voting systems lawsuit cost $785 million, and that wasn't because of a political, they were interested in defaming dominion systems in favor of donald trump. a cost the network three quarters of $1 billion. i wonder, angelo, when you think about the way in which fox remains a holding pen for trump administration officials, staging area, echo chamber, and you know, an addition platform,

what is your expectation for the incoming trump administration in terms of utility of the network given how big of a rule it's already played in staffing the trump white house? >> yeah, that's a good question. my sense, it won't be the same as last time. in 2017 it was a feedback loop. sometimes donald trump would be leading fox news, sometimes fox news would be leading donald trump. he was dependent every single day. there were two independent entities deeply intertwined in a line, and they overlapped. this time around fox has sort of given up its independent rule, and they are functioning purely as a subordinate toward what donald trump wants, his will, and his agenda. and what that means is when you think about their potential for incubating new personnel, new policies, that's going to be really different. there were many instances in the last cycle where fox news got out in front of donald

trump and pressured and pushed him to implement certain types of policies or push for certain personnel. they aren't going to do this this time. they won't be a vanguard. they will be sort of like what used to to be fertile ground, but they won't be driving in the way that they were. and really then their major effect is going to be influencing the rest of the right-wing media and how much effort and energy they choose to put into carrying water for trump or some of his trump officials, that will have an effect on the rest of the landscape. i don't think it's coincidence that we see the tides turn around the narrative around pete hegseth when fox news finally started to let its on- air personnel do a lot more pro- hegseth defense as opposed to just being silent. their initial posture was to be silent. then trump pressured them, and they ran defense, now you are

starting to see some cracks in the opposition to hegseth. i think that will be the rule they play. and that's not good for their own power long-term. but, it's not also good for their business. murdoch's assessment here is very short-term. but long-term, the real money and power is actually with james and elizabeth's sort of strategy. >> james carville has been on the air with my colleague ari melber, saying the person who has a lot of influence over the trump administration right now is tucker carlson. elon musk, jd vance, kash patel, they are straight from the mind of tucker carlson. do you have any sense of the role he's playing behind-the- scenes? or do you have a thesis, or a hypothesis, on who is pulling the strings right now? >> you know, when you think about right-wing media you basically have fox news and rush limbaugh. he had a worldview, and he was a storyteller. when he died few people stepped into that void.

the two that stepped inward tucker carlson, he had a narrative that he was driving that would filter down to the others. the other would be steve bannon. to james' point he's right about one thing, and that's tucker carlson's worldview, his narrative, and the story he's telling about america and the rest of the world, and it's not a good story, but a lot of the picks and personnel in the policies, and sort of the vibe of maga, what has become the professionalization of maga is coming from tucker's worldview. but i wouldn't disregard the view of bannon as well. i think that is where tucker's influence is. i think he is actually telling a big story that only certain characters can be casted for. >> the synthesizers. neither of whom is on fox news, both on their independent platforms. angelo carusone,

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pete hegseth is a patriot, and the deep state is trying to stop his nomination, but pete isn't backing down. call your senator today and urge them to confirm pete hegseth for secretary of defense. >> that is a new ad from the elon musk-backed conservative group building america's future. while the ad is set to run on national television and online it will be particularly targeted in the state of iowa, the home of republican senator joni ernst, who until this week had expressed skepticism about pete hegseth's nomination. and now senator joni ernst appears to be coming around on hegseth staying with the comment as i support pete through this process i look forward to a fair hearing. that statement appears to be the result of a very public pressure campaign from trump

world. just last week donald trump jr. attacked senator ernst on x calling her a disgrace. now according to politico in recent days allies of trump adopted an approach that is not novel for the president-elect and his followers, make life extremely uncomfortable for anyone who dares to oppose him. the swarm of maga attacks that senator joni ernst has endured is a warning of what's in store for others who express skepticism of his personal choices. this all comes as trump is mounting another even more explicit campaign to actually punish his critics. over the weekend trump told nbc news rocky kristen welker he wants members of the january 6th committee to be put in jail. >> for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. >> you think liz cheney should go to jail? everyone on the committee? >> anybody that voted in favor-

- >>, until the end of this year, congresswoman, there is no better time to talk to you than right now. what is the feel as they're calling for house members to be thrown in jail? >> alex, always good to see you. i think the mood is we are ready to have this fight. we are ready to take it to the people, and we are strategizing around the ways that our caucus will work together, stay united, and make sure that we push back on these outrageous things that donald trump is saying, and that he is perhaps going to get his cabinet to do, i also think that they did some cleanup after that interview. they started, some of his people started saying he's not

really going to send those people to jail-- i just think that we are in a situation where we should wait to see what attacks he actually levies and be ready to go after them completely together and make the contrast to the american people. i am not sure that everything we hear is what he's going to do, but we have to be ready for it. >> you co-authored a new memo from the congressional progressive caucus outlining what the next dnc chair should do, and it's based on several principles, and i am eager to expand on those principles. one of the things is reform, restructure, and rebrand the party. from a practical and legislative standpoint, what does that mean? i talked to jamie raskin about this last week about the degree to which democrats especially in the house should try and find avenues, bipartisan avenues, to work with republicans who may well be executing on trump's agenda. the

d.o.g.e. committee for example. raising their hands saying i can cut down on government waste. your thoughts on seeking ridges to the maga coalition if they exist? >> well, first of all, the principles were relative to reforming the dnc specifically. so, it was really about reforming the democratic national committee, how it functions, what it does, but i do think that at the end of the day the big take away for me has been there is a lot of deserved anger from voters across the country about their economic situation. and when you look at the fact wages have stagnated over the last 50 years, that even though the economy has grown more productive, all the games have gone to the billionaires, and alex, let me just say, i think it's now 10 billionaires to the cabinet that trump has

nominated. $350 billion of net worth for those billionaires. you know, joe biden's cabinet was about $118 million. i think people are looking at what is going to happen to regular folks, not the billionaires, and the question of whether these cabinet members can actually defend policies that i know are going to be benefiting them and not working people is what democrats have to call out over and over again to me because republicans ran on supposedly blowing up the system that is rigged against working people and helping working people across this country to improve their lives. i think we have to point out strategically, clearly, and repetitively exactly how democrats are the ones who are standing up for working people, for poor people, whether opportunities to do things

across the aisle that benefit working people, of course we will take them. i am just not holding my breath. i am always looking for those opportunities, but i am not holding my breath, because i am not sure how i cabinet that is stacked with billionaires and people who like government experience with the underlying premise that government is the greatest equalizer of opportunity for the american people, it's hard for me to imagine. does that mean we will close our eyes? we will look for opportunities. we will take them as they come, but we have to be clear about what the democratic party stands for, and how we are the ones that are lifting up working people, fighting against corporate concentration, fighting against, you know, billionaires, taking all the gains for themselves. >> i am glad you brought up billionaires, because another plank in the recommendations is to embrace grassroots donors and reject special interests and dark money. i'm interested on the dark money piece. last week on pod save america

the leading lights of the harris campaign including a senior adviser sat down for a postmortem with david pfeiffer. he tackled the issue of dark money, and i want to play some of the audio from that interview. >> we have to stop playing a different game as it relates to super pac andy republicans. coordinate more than we do. i think amongst themselves, i think with the presidential campaign, i am just sick and tired of it. clearly it is not legal what they are doing, but we are at a disadvantage when our folks are playing by a different set of rules than they are. >> that would seem to be saying we have got to stop shunning the super pac money. your reaction? >> i think what he was talking about was an effort led by some people in the democratic party to have some of those groups coordinate more closely, and it was sold as something that was

going to help democrats. i don't think it did, i think it led to more coordination. i think for us the question is where does our money come from? how do we make it clear to people that we are not beholden to the corporate interests, and at the end of the day there is obviously going to be money in different places. i think we need to coordinate across our democratic organizations to make sure that we are investing in the most strategic things that are lifting up democrats at every level. frankly, alex, i don't think that's happening right now. i know i have talked to a lot of state party chairs, and i think what we need to do as a democratic party is go back to banning corporate money, make sure we are investigating ingress routes donors, and the dark money is going to be there, but we need to try and make sure we are pushing it away by really embracing the core of our party. if we rebuild our state parties

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it's completely out of touch and an insult to the intelligence of the american people and its lived experience. >> that was luigi mangione, the suspect in the killing of united healthcare ceo, brian thompson, on his way into pennsylvania court today. mangione was denied bail and is fighting extradition to new york where he faces a murder charge. his lawyer says he plans to plead not guilty. despite the brutal crime he is accused ofhas been venerated in

some corners as a hero for targeting the health insurance industry, a hero for whom his fans have created merchandise and given a superhero nickname for it meanwhile on the same day mangione was arrested in manhattan jury acquitted former marine daniel penny on a charge of criminally negligent homicide after penny put a deadly six-minute chokehold on jordan neely, a homeless man who had been acting erratically and scaring passengers on a subway car last year. that trial divided the city's residents along political and racial lines and became a touchstone for new yorkers who felt enraged by the city's perceived inaction over its growing homeless population. joining out is to money williams, new york city public advocate. it is great to see you. i am wondering how you are thinking about these two new york cases, but let's begin with

daniel penny and your reaction to jordan neely's death, and the fact penny was acquitted. >> i think what people have trouble doing is holding what seems like impeding thoughts at the same time, and people, you know, abuse that inability. i think folks had trouble saying look, i do think that daniel penny didn't intend to kill someone, i think he was responding to a perceived threat, and you cannot just kill someone, or you should not be able to just kill someone, and there be no accountability on all those things should be true at the exact same time, and i honestly believe it was, if it was a black homeless man that choked a former marine who may have had a rough day, we would not have the same result, and we have to grapple with that. >> i also see in the mangione case and the penny case two seeming systems that have failed people and the rage around those. one is the city and its management of the homeless situation here in the u.s., and

new yorkers may be feeling endangered or angry about that or resentful of that in some way, and with mangione it's this institutional rage around american healthcare and the insurance companies that manage it. do you see a common thread uniting these two things? it's a dark thread, i'm not saying it's an optimistic one. but how are you grappling with the two? >> there are some similarities that are not there. i think brian thompson is going to get justice, his family is, and jordan neely is not, and there's a reason for that, and we have to acknowledge that. there's a lot of pain that is similar. i think what it does show is the way we are thinking about who we are afraid of. we are angry at, who we are blaming. >> yes. >> and the leaders exploiting that fear and anger and pointing in directions that take away from the decisions they are making, and leaders thrive off of this in a very morbid way. and i think that is where the common commonality is. we need leaders to help us

unpack that so we do not misguide our anger >> anecdotally, or as a human being who thinks about these things and what best serves the public, does any good come from these things? jordan neely's public murder in plain sight on a subway car, does that change anything and how the city treats its homeless people? >> i think it would if we had a different mayor. i am concerned about the many comments the mayor has made. he has tried to walk back some to but we need a leader who can do multiple things at once. one of the problems we have had is we have been ignoring people's anger. we have been ignoring people's fear, and you can't do that, because it will go somewhere. i acknowledge you are afraid, i acknowledge why you're angry, but let's not make it the wrong

people. and here is how we can address those concerns in a very real way. and instead people who want to get elected, all they want to do is pump up that fear, and pump up that anger. and people are dying. in the case of jordan neely, he was failed from beginning to end. there were so many things we have been talking about how we can address the homeless situation, the mental health situation, if we put the money and structures in. we didn't do that, and we are not doing it now. and when you have a mayor say that daniel penny did with the city should have, that is a repugnant statement, and for people who are looking and are angry, that can mean something. and we have to find a way to unpack that in this space we are in right now. >> think the other disturbing thing is the desensitization towards death. murder. that murder is the recourse here. murder the homeless guy. and i think a lot of people understand the frustration and pain, and the cruelty in many cases of the insurance industry putting profit first and foremost of her human life. but, should we be slaughtering

people for it? and that's the other piece of it. >> and we let you know, social media helps us desensitize that. we start to lose the humanity of what is actually happening, and again, our leaders, and we just had an election based off of leaders who feed off of that. leaders who are going to help push back on that, we are at a time and space where we have to acknowledge the anger and the pain, and we have to put forth the resources to say here is how we are going to deal with our mentally ill and chronically homeless population. and then see what we cannot do is have people choking them to death. >> vigilante justice-- >> we cannot do that. i struggled with what is the actual charge that should happen. >> you are talking about the penny case? >> that's correct. i couldn't fathom no charge. and that is what happened in

brian thompson's case there will be someone held accountable as there should be, but the larger conversation is who are we protecting from, who we are protecting against, what are we afraid of, and who are we angry at, and how are we addressing those issues in a way that is not with violence and not with murder, but getting to the issues of healthcare and housing and mental health, and we have the ability to do it if we have the courage to move forward. >> and we are having a conversation where we can move forward and see each other as human beings. >> that is it, we are losing this amenity. >> jumaane williams, thank you. celebration in the streets of syria after the ousting of a brutal dictator. donald trump's isolationist foreign policy begins to take shape.

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of celebratory gunfire. >> there has been celebration in the street since the fall of bashar al-assad and his government on sunday, as syria's rebel forces uncovered evidence of al-assad's lavish lifestyle including garage is full of luxury cars tucked away in war-torn cities. they have freed prisoners from a prison where political enemies were tortured and executed. the biotin administration has pledged support for a new administration that-- tulsi gabbard, has supported assad in the past meeting with him in 2017, years after overwhelming evidence showed assad gassed his own people. today, hubbard refused to answer questions about her

stance on syria as she met with senators head of her confirmation hearing. >> do you think russia is a primary adversary? >> michael weiss, who has covered the war in syria, editor of the insider, a russia focused independent media outlet. it's good to have you here to make sense of all of this. we talk about who will acknowledge the brutality of the assad resume. this has not been a subtle resume. for folks who have not, since the use of weapons on his own people, in the intervening years can you elaborate on the darkness that has befallen the syrian puppy population under assad's rule? >> it is a totality it is a

totalitarian regime-- upmost brutality. one of the nazi sadist, burner, on methods of torture, how to extract false confessions, how to brutalize a population, kill them, etc. etc. i started covering this when it was a protest movement in 2011, and the stories i was hearing at that time sort of defied belief. you wondered if people were perhaps inventing them, they were so atrocious. there was a story of a 13-year- old boy who was kidnapped by the syrian police, this is a 13- year-old kid. he was tortured in the most horrific fashion, cigarettes put out on his skin. when they killed him they

mutilated his body, chopped him up, sent remains back to the parents and told the parents you have to lie about what happened. and again, you wonder if this is true or not. what i am seeing coming out of this sort of complex of dungeons only confirms that not only that, but worse has been perpetrated. in fact today the u.s. unsealed indictments against two syrian intelligence officers accusing them of war crimes, including putting outlet cigarettes on the bodies of their tortured victims, dipping them in acid, making them-- putting them in dungeons with corpses, fetid corpses, rotting, making them listen to the screams of other people who had been tortured. it's as if arthur kessel's darkness at noon and indeed the third reich was combined for what this resume would do. i've seen cynicism of what will

become of this resume, i want to pause and get to basic level. with the syrian people have been through, they cannot imagine anything worse, and we have to take pause and just give them that respect in the fact they are now coming out of the woodwork. people we have not heard from ever, because they have been too afraid to express themselves are going on international media describing what they went through. >> it is such a critical perspective as we try to understand the moment. the biden administration is applauding this in many ways it's a triumph of well, it's a defeat for russia and iran in many ways as they supported assad, but the biden administration was towing a softer line with syria in recent years. >> absolutely. i am all for being opportunistic when it comes to geopolitical dynamics, and it's a good thing from a perspective of real politics that iran and

russia have sort of taken it on the chin here. but the fact remains the biden administration was adopting a policy of creeping normalization with assad. they were putting pressure on congress to auntie normalization bill which would have stopped our support for gulf arab regimes bringing assad in from the cold. the sanctions act inaugurated several years ago that basically but the kind of human rights abuses front and center of what assad was doing, and ironically up until almost a week ago the gambit was well if we can get assad to sever his relationship with iran we will sort of dangle sanctions relief in front of him. this was the conventional wisdom. this guy was here to stay. he won the war. he's not going anywhere. it's time to abandon these conceits and kind of put the

humanitarian imperative to one side. and the irony of ironies iran severed relationships with assad first because they saw the writing on the wall. his regime evaporated into the air. i've never seen anything this, it was quicker than what happened in afghanistan. >> it has sent a lot of people into a scramble figuring out what the next move is. there's a big question with the trump administration with someone like tulsi gabbard in the trump administration-- >> end assad apologist.-- across the border into iraq to kill american soldiers, coalition forces, iraqi civilians. he is no friend of the united states, he is a mortal enemy. >> michael weiss, thank you for making the time sir. we will be right back.

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that is our show for this evening. now, it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, alex. i was just checking something about one of our guests tonight, and the question is, to our control room, will this be senator schiff's first appearance on this network, as a senator, ? the answer is, yes. >> a little