fox news still the conservative network in the united states. and it is fox that we have big news about tonight. now that donald trump is headed back to the white house, if you want to shape american politics, fox is the place to

be. right now, at least 12 of his cabinet picks are fox news hosts or contributors. and this is a staffing agency, extend far beyond just fox hosts and paid contributors. a lot of are just fox news regulars. guests that appear on the channel hundreds of times of year. some like chris wright have no government experience at all and only caught trump attention because of his appearances on fox news there is no institution as critical to the trump presidency and right as fox news. we got news that the network's conservative mission could be facing and threat coming from the very top. but let me back up.

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squabbling about the family business. >> in terms of a business position, we just need them to put something together to reassure is the market. >> will someone please think of the market. we're not pulling anything here. >> we just thought you were estranged, up may want to -- >> we're not estranged. we were not estranged. >> all right. >> i just simply meant -- >> we all had communications with him and a family function with him last night, in fact. he isestranged and not actress. >> is it the real like murdoch children secretly started discussing the strategy of

their father's death after that went on the air. and one of murdoch's representatives to help avoid a real life repeat of a tv show there is real drama that surrounds fox and the murdoch empire when the real live one eventually dies and the empire is based around trust, one that would divide control of the media empire equally along his four eldest children after the elder murdoch's death. and while he is the chairman and ceo of the organization, the other children are reportedly not.

so the times reports in recent years they are concerned that james, elizabeth and prudence are planning some sorted of cue that would change fox news and make it less for trump appoint tease and echo claim ger for paranoia. the reason that we know any of this is that they got so concerned about the alleged family plot to demagnify fox that she started a legal battle to try to change the rules of the family trust. it was not about money. the changes of the trust would not have diminished any of the financial stakes in the company. this was about the future control of the world's most powerful conservative media empire. they were got to appoint a new

members of the trust and the less conservative members of the murdoch plans. that is not for two of his children from another marriage, but appointing conservative representatives like former attorney general bill barr to the family trust. and once they got one to ensure votes in their favor, the plan was to alter the rules of the trust to give all the power in the event of rupert's death to ensure the fox empire would stay safely conservative. but at least at this juncture, that plan does not appear to

have worked. lock land and murdoch bent the rules of the family trust, there was mr. bill barr demonstrated dishonesty and purpose. they said that the play may have worked but like a showdown in game of poker is where games are with the card face up. what does it mean for if the future of fox news and the conservative movement in america? joining me is now is the president and ceo of media matters for america. i'm so happy that you can join me and give me your thoughts on it. in terms of the importance of rue rupert or lock land, how

important is any one man in this scenario? >> it is hard to separate what fox news is in the right-wing landscape. but in this instance, they are one in the same that is clear. the evidence of that rup port rupert murdoch that could correct the misunderstanding, the false information that trump was pushing out there that the election was stolen was fox news. that came out as a result of the dominion lawsuit. everything that fox news is a consequence of rupert murdoch and lockland murdoch. they are inseparable in that way. >> how much do saw temperature to the fact that the other

children, james elizabeth and prudence may play a significant role in the direction of fox news. do you believe they will push in a less conservative direction? >> i don't want to say they are going to be saviors. that is not what i think. but i don't think i need to think that. there are realties area and that plays out in this litigation. it is about making money as it about advancing a political agenda. it is a political tool. it is evidenced by the fact they leave a lot of money on the table. they were not maximizing

profits. they were losing money every day and leaving money on the table. they were serving a political train during a period of time. what i think is likely, they see a future for fox news. james murdoch had big plans for fox news. he had a big strategy how they were going to expand the foot pant nation and the sports field and must be get massives amounts of increased rev new. and to weaken the brand that they lost the satellite deal and they killed it because they were killed about fox about their own news industry over there. they squashed that deal.

murdoch i think they see the potential that had the company could be if you don't make politics on par with making money. if you just make it about making money, that does mean that to the effect would be to weaken it and that is. >> i would say that politics is one things and lives are another. and the defamation suit is costing them as much as anything else the dominion cost

them $750 million. it wasn't because they were interested in defaming dominion systems because of donald trump. it cost the network three- quarters of a billion dollars. when you think about the way in which fox remains holding pen for trump officials and the echo chamber and audition platform, what is your expectation for the incoming trump administration in terms of the utility network in terms of the staffing the trump white house? >> my prediction and sense it is not going to be the same as it was last time. in 2017, it was a feedback group. sometimes donald trump to be

leading fox news and sometimes they led him. they were functioning purely as a subordinate what donald trump wants and his will and agenda. when you think about the potential for inbaiting new personnel, must policies. that is going to be different. that is a lot in the last cycle that he pressured him to push for certain personnel. they're not going to be a vanguard. they're going to be like, what used to be fertile ground. but they are not going to drive in the way that they were and influencing the right-wing media and the emergency they choose to carrying water and trump officials on the

landscape. and when fox news finally started to let the on air personnel do a lot more defense as opposed to just being silent. the initial posture was to be silent. and now you're starting to see some cracks in the opposition. i think that will be role they will play that is not good long- term or good for their business. murdoch's assessment is short- term. the real power is james and elizabeth's strategy. >> james has been on the air with me and he thinks that the person that has the most influence over trump's decisions and the agenda is the former fox news host tucker

carlson. they say that it is straight from. mind of tucker carlson. do you have a role of what he is playing behind the scenes or who is pulling the strings right now? >> when you think about the right-wing media, you had fox news and rush limbaugh. he had the narrative. he had a world view and story teller. when he died, few people stepped into the void. the two that stepped into that was tucker carlson the other was bannon. he's right about one thing that the tucker carlson's world view and narrative and the story that he's tell being america and the rest of the world, and it is not a good story, that a lot of the picks and possibles of the professionalization of maga is coming from tucker's

world view. but i would not discard brandon's world view. they are independent. they are related. i don't think he's picking individual people. i think he's telling a big story that only certain characters can be casted for. >> it is great to talk to you. we have a lot for to get to tonight, including the arrest of the man that is accused of killing a health care official and another man is the acquittal of a man accused of killing a man. trump plans to make his critics pay. we look at how the democrats are preparing for the coming

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. a news ad from the tesla ceo elon musk-packed conservative group building america's future. it is set to run on television and online. it will be targeted at the state of iowa, the home of republican senator joanie ernst that expressed scepticism of pete hegseth's nomination. as i support pete through the process, i look forward to a fair hearing. that statement appears to be the result of a public pressure campaign from trump world. last week, donald trump, jr. attacked ernst on x calling her a disgrace.

they say that they make life uncomfortable for people that oppose him. and they stay is a warning for others that express skepticism of his personnel choices. this comes as trump is mounting a more explicit campaign to punish his critics. he told nbc news that he wants members of the january 6th committee to be put in jail. >> for what they did, honestly, they should go to jail. >> reporter: you think liz chenney should go to jail? >> anybody that voted in favor. >> joining me now is congressman paul from washington state and the chair for the professional caucus till the end of this year. there is no better time to talk to you than right now. what is the mood inside the democratic caucuses that you have and what does it mean checking former members of the

house saying they should be thrown in jail? >> alex, good to see you. the mood is we're ready to have this fight and take it to the american people. and we are strategizing around all the different ways that our caucus will work together stay united and make sure that we push back on the outrageous things that donald trump is saying and that he is perhaps going to get his cabinet to do. i also think that they did some cleanup after that interview. he said they sent those people to jail. we're in a situation where we should wait to see the attacks that he levies and go after them together and make the contrast to the american people. i'm not sure that everything we hear is what he's going to do. but we have to be ready for it, and that is what we're doing

right now. >> penned a letter from. caucus outlining what the next dnc chair should do and it is based on several principles. i'm eager to stand on the principles with you. one of the things that you guys -- reform, restructure and rebrand the party. from a practical and legislative standpoint, i talked about the bipartisan avenues that may be working the trump agenda. and there are a few that raised their hand and said i can participate in that and cut government waste. what about is your advice to progressives and democrats about seeking bridges through the mega coalition, if they exist? >> the principles were relative

to reforming the dnc, specifically. so it was about reforming the democratic national committee how it functions and what it does. the big take away, for me, there is a lot of anger from voters across the country about the economic situation. and when you look at the fact that wages have stagnated over the last 50 years, that even though the economies grown more productive, all the gains have gone to the billionaire. let me just say, i think it is now 10 billionaires to the cabinet that trump appointed -- nominated. $350billion of network for the billionaire. president biden's cabinet was about $118 million. people are going to look at what is going to happen to the

regular folks, not billionaire and can they defend policies that i know are going to be benefiting them and not working people is what the democrats have to call out over and over again. the republicans ran on blowing up the system that helps working people across the country to improve their lives. we have to point out strategically, clearly representatively how democrats are standing up for working people and poor people. when you have things that will benefit poor people, we'll take them. i'm not going to hold my breath. i'm not holding my breath. i'm not sure how a cabinet that is tacked with billionaire and people that lack government experience with the underlying

premise that the government is the greatest equalizer. we're going to look for the opportunities and we'll take them if they come. but we have to be clear what the democratic party stand for and how we are the ones that are lifting up working people, fighting against corporate concentration and fighting against billionaires taking all the gains for themselves. >> it is to embrace grassroots to owners and reject special interest and dark money. i'm interesting on the dark money piece. last week, the leading person of harris campaign sat down with a post running. >> we have to stop playing a different game as it relates to

super pack and the democratic lawyers. i'm tired of it. they coordinate among themselves. i'm sick and tired of it. it is not legal what they're doing. but we're at a disadvantage when our folks are playing by a different set of rules than they are. >> that would be seem him saying we got to stop shunning the super pack money because democrats are a distinct disadvantage. what is your reaction to that? >> i think what he's trucking about is there was an effort that was led by some people in the democratic party as something that was going to help democrats. i don't think it did. i think it led to more coordination. i think for us the question is where does our money come from? and we're not beholden to corporate interest. there is going to be money in different places.

i think we need to coordinate across our democratic organizations to make sure that we're investing in the most strategic things that are lifting people up at every level. i talked to a lot of chairs across the country. i think what we need to do as a democratic party is ban -- go back to banning corporate pack money and make sure that we're clear investing in owners. and the dark money is going to be there. but we need to make sure that we're pushing it away by em gracing the core of our party. if we rebuild our state parties, we'll engage more grassroots donors and we'll be able to draw a contrast. there are always some people on our side that want to run to the center or be republican light. but we'll never be as good as the republicans if we trying to republican light. we have to be democrats. and we have to stand up for

working people and poor people across this country. >> it is great to have you on the program. please come back soon. there is still so much more to talk about. >> always with you, alex. always. coming up, two public new york city murders are dividing the nation and leading the public to sympathy for the killers. we discuss the moment for the public advocate up nexted. nex.

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that was luigi mangione, the suspect in the killing of unitedhealthcare ceo brian thompson and the way to court today. he was denied bail. his lawyer said that he plans to plead not guilty. despite the brutal crime he's accused of, he has been called a hero for targeting the health insurance industry and given a superhero nickname. on the same day that luigi mangione was arrested, a jury

acquitted former marine daniel penny on homicide after he put a six minute choke hold on brian jordan. it was a touch stone for new yorker that's felt enraged by the city's perceived inaction by the city's homeless situation. i wonder how you're thinking about the two new york cases and how emotionally charged both of them are. let's start with daniel penny and jordan neely's death and how he was acquitted. >> people are holding different thoughts at the same time and people abuse that inability. folks, thing that daniel penny did not intend to kill someone and responding to a perceived

threat. you cannot just kill someone and not be able just kill someone and no accountability. if it was a black homeless man that may have had a rough day, we would not have the same results. we have to graple with that. >> i see in the luigi mangione case and the penny case that two systems that failed people and the rage around that. one is the city and the homeless situation in new york city. and new yorkers may be feeling angry about that. and luigi mangione is the rage around health care and the insurance companies that manage it. it is a dark threat. how are you gap pulling with to

get justice but neely is not. i think the way we're thinking of who we're afraid of who we're angry at and blaming and the leaders that are exploiting that anger and pointing directions that take away from the decisions they're making and thrive off this in a common way. we need leaders need to help us unpack that in the way that we're going. >> do you think as a human being that thinks about these things and the public, do you think anything comes of either one of those and the murder of

jordan neely murder on a subway car? >> i think it could if we had a different mayor. i'm concerned about many of the comment that's the mayor has made and trying to walk back some. one of the problems is we have been ignoring people's anger and grief. i acknowledge why you're angry. but let's not point it at the wrong people. people that want to get elected, all they want to do is pump up the fear and anger. people are dying. in the case of jordan neely he was failed from beginning to the end. we have been talking about how to address the homeless situation if we put the money and structures in.

we did not do that and we're not doing that. when we have people saying that daniel penny did what the city should have, that is a repugnant statement. we need to find a way to unpack that in the space that we are in right now. >> descent tieing his death and murder. i think people understand the frustration and the campaign and the insurance putting profit over human life in some places. but should we slaughtering people? >> that is the other piece of that. social media helps us desensitize that. we start to use the humanity of what is happening. again, our leaders, we had an election on leaders that feed off of that and what we need

and why i'm so disappointed are leaders that are going to push back on that. we need to acknowledge the anger and the pain and put forth the resources and this is how we're going to deal with the homeless population and this is what we're going to do to address it. what we can't could do is having them choke people to death. what is the actual charge that should happen. >> you're talking about the penny case? >> yes. i could not fathom no charge. that is what happened. there is going to be someone held accountable as there should be. but the larger conversation is who are we protecting them from. who are we protecting against. what are we afraid of and who are we angry at and how are we addressing thosish eyes those

issues of health care. we need to have a way to move forward. >> and have a conversation as human beings. >> we're losing that. >> you aren't. >> i do my best. >> thank you for coming on the program. coming up, celebration in the streets of syria following the ouster of its former brutal dictator over the weekend what it means when donald trump foreign policy begins to take shape. that is next. stay with us. shape. that is next. stay with us.

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there have been celebrations in the streets since the fall of the government on sunday in syria. as they have uncovered evidence

of his lavish lifestyle including garages with cars in war-torn cities. the biden administration has pledged support for a new syrian government, one that respects human rights and fights terrorism. but what happens in the incoming trump administration remains unclear. they have supported them in the past, meeting with him in 2017, years after overwhelming evidence that he had gassed his own people. he refused to answer questions about her stance on syria as she met with senators just ahead of her confirmation hearing. joining me now is michael weis. michael, it is good to have you here to make sense of all of

this this we talk about who is going acknowledge the brutality of the regime. this is not a subtle brutality for the syrian people. for folks that have -- since the use of weapons on his own people in the intervening years. can you elaborate on the darkness that has befallen the syrian population. >> it is a half century of dictatorship and it is founded on torture and treating its enemies, both real and perceived, with the upmost brutality. one of the nazi went there on torture and how to brutalize a population and kill them, et cetera, et cetera. we reported on this at new

lines magazine. i covered this when it was a protest movement in 2011. it defied belief and i wondered if people were inventing them. there was a story of a 13-year- old boy who was kidnapped by the syrian police. this is a 13-year-old kid. he was tortured in the most horrific fashion. cigarettes put out on his skin. when they killed him. they chopped him up and sent the remains back to the parent and you have to lie about what happened. it is this kind of thing, if you wonder if this is true or not. what i'm seeing this out of this complex dungeons, confirms that but even worse. there are two indictments

answer two syrian intelligence officers accusing them of war crimes, including putting outlet cigarettes on victims, dipping them in acid, putting them in dungeons with corpses rotting. making them listen to the screams of other people that have been tortured. it is like everything out of the third right combined into a field manual. and what is going to happen to syria, is it going to become a safe haven. i want to pause and get to a basic level here. what the syrian people have been through over 50 years, they cannot imagine anything worse. we have to take pause and just give them that respect and the fact that they're coming out of the woodwork, people that we have heard from ever because they have been afraid to

express themselves calling on international media. >> it is perspective to describe the moment. the reality city that the biden administration is applauding them. it is a triumph. it is a defeat for russia and iran as they supported him. but the biden administration was towing a softer line with syria in recent months and years. >> absolutely. i'm all for being opportunity that russia and iran have taken it on the chin. the biden administration was adopting a policy of creeping organization with -- and it would have stopped our support for gulf arab regimes, bringing us in from the cold and trying to water down cesar. and it put the kind of human

right as bruises of what he was doing. ironically, you will till about a week ago, it was, well, if we can get him to sever his relationship with iran, we'll sort of dangle sanctions in front of him. this is the conventional wisdom. this guy was here to stay t he won the war. he's not going anywhere. it is time to abandon any -- put the humanitarian imperative to one side. iran severed relations. this man's regime evaporated into the air. it was quicker than what happened in afghanistan. >> reality is, it sent a lot of people into scramble figuring out what the next move will be and the trump administration and tulsi gabbard in the

administration. >> she went to demass cass. this is a time when he was importing people to kill iraqi civilians. >> this is the person that is apologizing for him and will have a cabinet level in the next administration. thank you for making the time, sir. we'll be right back. the time, sir. we'll be right back.

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