good piece by jonathan weisman at the times, the ethanol corn syrup country, trump/vance, it will be fine. i think there are ideological obstacles overcome by personal loyalty to trump. >> i think that is probably the case. even with ethanol, the corn syrup, i'm not so certain. it is one thing to say it now when it is not happening. if rfk successfully i don't know man, my money is on the corn log on that one.

>> that's what's so interesting. can you just not say anything and make choices. >> it depends on how much people pay attention to politics. >> that's the key thing,. >> great show my friend. >> thank you. >> today we got a look at after trump fired the last fbi director comey. made the decision to step down instead of waiting for trump to fire him is definitely worth chewing over. we're going to discuss that in just a moment. but now that christopher ray has made his decision. now that he has announced he will vacate his office on january 20th the real pressing matter is who donald trump

plans to no, to nominate in ray's place. >> we look forward to a very smooth transition at the fbi. >> reporter: that was trump's pick for director of the fbi on the hill today speaking with senators and shoring up votes for his confirmation. if you aren't particularly familiar with mr. patel you are not to blame. he was a turf position in the last obama administration. he has been talking about what he would do for the fbi if he were confirmed. >> we got the bench for it. you know we will go after those

guys. we're going to go after the people of the media who lied about american citizens who helped joe biden rig presidential elections. we're going to come after you. we're putting you all on notice. we're going to come after you. on its own that statement might mean seem a little ambiguous. since then he has said he is only going after the people that have broken the law. mr. patel has already published an enemy's list. when i say publish i mean kash patel literally printed this list on the back of a book. last year patel printed a book called government gangsters, the deep state, the truth and the battle for our democracy. in the appendix to that book is a list entitled members of the executive branch deep state. while the list has 60 people on

it, the author says the list is not exhaustive. on the list are people like former trump attorney general bill barr and hillary clinton and wouldn't you know it the current fbi director chris ray. it's not just kash patel's enemy's list that makes patel running the fbi concerning. patel is also a conspiracy theorist. from 2021 to 2023 he hosted a show called the epic times. mr. patel and his cohost pushed claims of conspiracy involving government officials, law enforcement agencies, the media and tech companies. all of those claims were about rig elections, silence conservative voices and under

mine the law. and patel also claims the deep state. here's a taste of what mr. patel thinks of qanon who calls himself q. >> whether it's the qs of the world. which i agree with some of what he does and disagree of things he does. but he allows people to gather and focus on the truth and fact which i'm all for it. whether it's q or anyone else getting that information i'm all for it. every day of the week. >> people keep asking me about the q stuff, what does it matter. there's truth in a lot of things that many people say and what i'm putting out there is the truth. >> npr reports that kash patel has either promoted the qanon

movement in at least 50 media appearances in the past year. when promoting one of his books, patel signed 10 copies with a qanon. and i should mention that promotion was not for mr. patel's adult book. that was for one of three of mr. patel's children's book. those books follow a wizard called kash who set out to save the king named trump. you can buy one of patel's covid reversal vaccine. or you could sign up for the right wing cell service he pushes which is really just a third party vendor for companies like at&t and team mobile. or you can buy a fight with

kash branded t-shirt or a kash patel branded bottle of wine. those are all real things that donald trump's real life pick to run the fbi really sells. and on top of the griftiness and conspiracies and enemy's list. one of the things we have to worry about are his thoughts on the fbi itself. >> i would shut down the fbi hoover building on day one and reopen it the next day as the museum of the deep state. >> that was kash patel three months ago. not only does he think the fbi as it is currently run is nothing more than the quote unquote deep state. but when it comes to the biggest case the fbi has handled in the past four years, the prosecution of the january 6th attack on the capital, kash patel thinks the fbi may have

encouraged rioters to commit crimes in order to entrap trump supporters for political reasons. >> it's not like they just said hey january 6th is going down. congress is being surrounded, go. the question that has to be answered is when did the fbi put those guys in. and where. and did those confidential sources that were not going to commit crimes and convinced them to do so. that's the definition of entrampment. >> and all you have to do is listen to the strange mash up of the national anthem, kash patel produced that song. that is the man donald trump

wants to run the fbi. >> do you want kash patel to launch investigations into people of that list. >> to, he's going to do what he thinks is right. >> do you think that's right, do you think that's right, sir? >> if they think that somebody was dishonest, crooked or corrupt politician, i think he should do it. >> are you going to direct him to do so? >> not at all. >> do you think patel will pursue investigations against your enemies. >> if they were crooked, if they did something wrong. if they have broken the law, probably. they went after me, they went after me and i did nothing wrong. >> reporter: joining me now is one of the senators who will sit on the judiciary committee. and can i first get your

thoughts of the choice by wray stepping down before being fired by donald trump. there's some thoughts of conceding. >> first of all i have so much respect for christopher wray. fidelity, bravery and integrity. and he did it when he was head of criminal after 9/11 with george bush. he was confirmed by democrats and republicans. and again as fbi director when donald trump put him in. he then served with distinction really ramping up the efforts on cyber crime, one of our biggest threats our nation faces and that's why by the way thank you for bringing up kash patel's views on the headquarters. it is so important that we have a central location to deal with these cyber crimes to

coordinate with other agencies of government. and he also of course has done his job and supported and defended the constitution. we all take that oath. i think he's a model of what we all want. serving through two republican presidents as well as one democratic president. so this idea he resigned was really let's face it. the writing was on the wall. trump said he was going to get him out. and like any good employee, he gets his things in order and gives a month in advance. he's got to tell his troops who he has guided through this what he's going to do and put in place people to take over from

him until a nominee is basically blessed by the u.s. senate, i think that's why he did it. he did it for good reason as he said he didn't want to bring the fbi into the fray any more than they already are. i believe that's why he did it. >> you mentioned the next fbi director who needs to seek the blessing of the senate and giving consent. that person at this moment looks like it will be kash patel. an i wonder, the wall street journal has a piece called kash patel does not belong in the fbi. >> so far i haven't heard anything from anybody suggesting he's not qualified. i've heard a lot of ranting and

raving from the left. people like john bolton about how they don't like his politics. but he's qualified for the job. >> i'm not sure if josh jolly meant people from the left and people like john bolton. or if he's suggesting that bolton is a leftist. okay that's where we are in politics. republicans believe kash patel is a shoe in. >> i don't think that's done at all because we have not seen the background check. that we're going to get just like any line agent of the fbi has a background check and i'm a member of the judiciary committee. i have not seen that yet. we also don't have the open hearing for these kind of nominees. i would think that josh holly should listen to bill barr the conservative, conservative attorney general under donald

trump who at one point in his tenure said over his dead body, his words not mine would put kash patel in that role. look at what our country is facing right now. a major cyber attack. when you look at the terrorists, members that investigate people on both sides of the aisle. this is not the time to put someone in that wants to go against the enemies of donald trump which he had maze very clear. i hope my colleagues at the end this will be are there republicans who are willing to look at this and say all we need is i think four and say wait a minute. this is not the best nominee for this job. >> it seems like there's two stages to this. there's an immediate period where there's a big push from

the maga right and trump's allies to put pressure on republican senators to say yes. then there's the confirmation hearing. when that's really when the senate is in full flower. you are going to be part of these hearings. you're going to be able to ask kash patel about his records and air your own concern. i hope you have a sense of what you think is most alarming about his cv that's worth highlighting in such a public form, in such an important moment when it comes down to whether the rubber hits the road. >> i think you raised from the dog whistles to qanon. to where he's involved in conspiracy theorists. i look at what he has said in the past few months that he wants to shut down the fbi headquarters and turn it into a museum. i'm looking at classified and unclassified information that i have seen and democrats and republicans have seen about

these major threats against our country. and i was in local law enforcement as a prosecutor running the biggest prosecutors office in minnesota work with our incredible local police all the time. but i know they rely on the fbi yes in the field offices to go after the violent crimes and what's happening in their states and white collar crimes but they also rely on them when things get really tough and gnarly. when it's against not just one state but our country. they rely on the fbi to go deep on this and call on their expertise across the nation. and because of that you need officials. we're in the upside down where democrats have to remind about the bureau of investigations. >> remember they talked a lot in their campaigns, the

republicans did about keeping our country safe. i agree with that. i think that's the number one thing the government needs to do is keep people safe in different ways. if they're going to be true to their policies i don't think you want to put someone in there who's on a revenge tour in charge of supervising over 30,000 employees who are putting their lives on the line every day. >> a very important point. senator. >> maga world is unleashing the attack dogs and senate republicans are running scared. mccaskle and miller join me on that coming up next.

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did you pressed him on the allegations. >> i pressed him on both his position. on military issues as well as the allegations against him. so i don't think there was anything that we did not cover. >> as of this afternoon, senator susan collins says she remains undecided about pete hegseth as defense secretary. but maga world is seizing the moment with a campaign to make sure all of trump's cabinet

picks are ultimately confirmed. an op-ed from iowa's attorney general is doubling as a not so vailed primary threat to the iowa senator who is initially hesitant to back hegseth. a warning about primary challenges from trump ally charlie kirk to senator brown was also a warning shot after brown had the audacity to say he didn't have complaints about current fbi director chris wray. only 272 candidates received a no. will confirm president trump's nominees. florida senator rick scott elaborated saying they're all going to get confirmed we're going to respect the fact that he got 77 million votes, respect the fact he won in a landslide, respect the fact he is the president. joining me now is tim miller

cohost of the podcast. and claire mccaskill. when you hear statements like that from rick spot, that sort of confidence bordering on bluster. what do you think about that. >> let me correct him on a couple of things. since the clinton administration, they typically either a would not be nominated because they would not be taken seriously or b they would withdrawal the nomination after they saw they had significant opposition. there's a lot of people that have been nominated that have not been confirmed. we can two history and tick them off. even under the clinton administration even. so, i think the idea here is

these are not serious nominees. and republican senators know it. and the question is just this, will the susan collins and plus one more stand up to the institution of qualified nominees for very serious positions in face of nonserious nominees being forwarded by the trump administration. >> yeah, i mean, i sort of feel like we've been to this party before, tim. where we're like what would susan collins do. then the spectacle of pete hegseth. does donald trump just have an

innate skill at sniffing weakness. >> we have been to this party before and the party sucks, alex. unfortunately. we're stuck here forever i think sorry to the saturday party. trump did sniff out the weakness among the accomplishment. -- establishment. have not shown the biggest fight in their belly either for some of this stuff. but particularly the republicans. they have rolled over for him. they have turned out to be exactly who he thought they were. as far as their willingness to go along with them. the fact that most of their tough talk was just bluster. the fact they're all as corruptible as he is. he won that bet big time.

that was correct, his judgment of the characters. with some of these people rather it be not pete hegseth if you can figure out some way to not waste any political capital. to not speak out and have him withdrawal? yeah, i'm sure there's more than three republicans who would love for pete hegseth to withdrawal. but none of them are going to do that about it. we've seen that with jonie hearnst. that was brushed back by maga. trump didn't even really need to get involved. >> i do wonder, claire when we talk about the strategy at least in the part of the maga of donald trump. which is to packet all of these nominees together. and like voltron so you can't separate one from the rest. that they all work as a unit

and you're in for one you're in for all. do you think that's possible. do you think it's possible they pull all these people over the finish line with the sort of threat that damming any one of them is damming all of them and a middle finger to trump? >> yeah, listen. tim is right about one thing. i have way too often on this network say i cannot imagine that would happen. and it happened. the idea that he is headed to the oval office, by the way not in a landslide. not in a landslide. he didn't even get 50% of the vote. that's not a landslide. you have to get 50% of the vote for it to be a landslide. but you know all of these aren't like the others. marco rubio is not like kash patel. they're not the same. the idea that you. some of the people no, ma'am international airported for the

other jobs are perfectly fine. they're not perfectly fine to me, but they certainly would pass the test of wanting to do a good job. at running the agencies they've been nominated to head. not figuring out a way to tear down the agency, shut down the agencies, spend all their time going after political enemies or culture wars. so hegseth, gabbert and patel. those three aren't like the others and rfk they aren't like the others. if the republican senators can't do that. if they're from states like wisconsin or states like pennsylvania. or states where you can still elect a democrat statewide. they'll feel it. they may not feel it in the primary but they will feel it in the general. because those nominees are not going to be good at their jobs. >> i feel like we're at the beginning of a life of questioning which, maybe we're not in the beginning we're in

the middle of it. how much can he push them. we have i will call it breaking news from cbs. which is that president-elect donald trump has invited chinese president xi jinping to attend his inauguration next month. this is in addition to apparently hungary's far right leader who said he is still considering whether to attend. this is reporting from cbs tonight. this is not something we do. tim. we do not invite foreign dignitaries or autocrats. i guess he's still a foreign dignitary to our inaugurations. first let me get your thoughts and whether we're crossing a rubicon. >> the first thing that comes to mind is about the first inauguration, that is some weird, well you know what. you're going to have to google what it was that george bush said. i think he said here on cable.

look, he's not only, i guess could be a dignitaries but he's a foe. donald trump wants this weird pomp and circumstance where he gets treated like like a caudillo who's been honored by the heads of the other tribes. it's not democratic. it's un-american in the sense that it's not within the american sense of what the presidency is. you're called mr. president not his excellency. it's not a weird coronation like they have in other places of the world. but obviously donald trump doesn't really get that and this is about his ego. it would be very strange indeed to have xi jinping at his inauguration. >> we have had ambassadors but

this is the only time we have invited a foreign leader and a foe of america to the inauguration of the american president. it certainly smacks of coronation and perhaps that is the point. tim miller, claire mccaskill thank you for being here today. appreciate your time. the north carolina managing to mask inside a hurricane relief bill. >> but first, one writer says democrats misunderstanding of a key voting block might cost them the election. i'll talk to new yorker staff writer about that theory coming up next. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... ...being me. keep being you... ...and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people—whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment.

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election. and rojay karma argues the party should learn a lesson from this. he writes, more more than a decade democrats have struck an implicit electoral bargain. those were essential to holding together the parties multiracial coalition. that bargain now appears to have been based on a false understanding of latino voters. he calls that a mistake that in hindsight appears simple. conflating the views of the highly educated progressive latino. joining me now the dean of the

columbia. welcome. >> thank you. >> that have been ill advised by the elite institutions that serve them. >> yeah, and you include news media in there as well. >> yeah, of course. >> because we have tended to report and cover as if they're monolithic. you always know to some degree or another that there's some disparity to what the consultant class wants. particularly what activists want. and what the kind of rank in file voter may want. that goes across communities. you know the same sort of thing happened. we were looking four years ago about where african-americans were on police reform or things like defund the police. like those attitudes were way more varied than people suspected. we also saw in this last election that the views of women on reproductive rights

were complicated. >> yes. >> and so, and even if people really firmly believe in one issue, they're making a kind of counter balance kind of argument. do i care about this, sure, but am i going to vote on this issue this particular time, maybe not. and so the only thing i would say in kind of response to that is this may not be an either or. there are people who care strongly on immigration but who are going to vote on the economy. it always becomes a little bit more of a kind of give and take of the circumstances of what people are going to do when they go into that voting booth. >> i think what shocks the conscious in the way of which trump talked about migrants. i think we have a little bit of a remarks let's listen to that. >> they're poisoning the blood of our country. that's what they've done. they're poisoned.

>> you know now a murder, it's many their genes. >> i don't know what we call these people, these are animals. >> that's some of the most virulent rhetoric you can say about people. yes the economy is an important thing but to sanction that kind of language seems like a different thing entirely. i will recall one of the lessons i learned from paul loramas about latinos and identity questions. here is what she writes. many latinos have fallen into the traps of white supremacy. diligently conforming to what they see against them. but unlike white americans they also have something to prove. their own belonging in america. sure, i would add to this there's another dynamic for

which donald trump has been an enormous beneficiary. incalculable benefit to him which is all of the rhetoric. things that sets off alarm bells, in the ears of lots of progressives, everyone lots of main line liberals. there's an effect on the right where people can say, he's not guilty talking about me. >> exactly. >> and there's people on the left saying, yes he is talking about you. you may not recognize it or not and people on the other side, he's talking about people who came here, quote unquote the wrong way. or he's talking about even the totalizing category of latino is difficult because you have to disagregate to say, he's talking about latinos from this place but not that place. this should be alarming to everyone. people are able to make enough psychological distance about what he's saying and their own

sense of their personal well being. that giving him the space to be a supporter of him. >> i don't think i'm being, maybe overly optimistic that trump's plans, optimism is the wrong word to use but i still believe the american project is strong enough that when people see as, you know nbc is reporting that trump plans to scrap the policy, restricting i.c.e. agents from conducting arrests in churches, schools and hospitals. i still believe in this country enough to think that that is not something a vast majority of the public will accept as just the way to keep the border safe. i don't know. i mean arresting people at church and schools and hospitals? >> i u at one point thought people wouldn't tolerate children being prated from their parents at the border. a lot of people did but there were a whole lot of people that reconcile ed themselves to this. the one thing i will say about this. on the church score, it is very

difficult to imagine people being dragged out of pews while praying. with people being able to reconcile themselves with that. you know we've seen a lot that we didn't expect people to go for. that may actually be a bridge too far. the other thing about it is that these rules are in place for practical pragmatic reasons. not because of their kind of liberal polianish sensitivities. but because you really don't want to arrest people at hospitals because you don't want people with communicable diseases afraid to go get treatment. and you don't want to arrest people at schools because you actually want them to go to school. so there's that part of it too. >> i think we're going to be asking is this a bridge too far a lot in the coming weeks. it's complicated. it's difficult, it's fraught. it's great to have you here. >> thanks. still ahead, north carolina

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republican state representatives emotion was palpable today as he argued for passage of a bill that in part moves money into a fund for hurricane relief. >> we had a storm in every county. our bridge, the water had come up to such a point where my family and i decided we needed to cross the creek to keep from being cut off. >> that lawmaker went on for about 17 more minutes on the verge of tearing the whole time. his palpable and heartfelt emotion makes the cynicism of what his fellow republicans used that emotion for makes it particularly disturbing. because it was all in service of a power grab. here's the back story. while kamala harris lost the state of north carolina in november, democrats at the state level did much better. they won almost every statewide

race including the offices of governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state, lieutenant general and superintendent of schools. the one statewide race a democrat did not win was first state auditor. democrats also ended the republican legislature's supermajority for the upcoming legislative session which means as of next month, republicans won't be able to override their democratic governor's veto simply on a party line vote. but for now, for this moment, they can. and what they used that power for today was wrapped inside that bill for hurricane relief. that bill strips crucial powers from the incoming democratic administration. among them it curtails the power of the next democratic governor to appoint the judges he wants. any republican judicial vacancies will now have to be filled with another republican. the incoming democratic attorney general will not be allowed to argue in court

against any laws passed by the republican controlled general assembly. and authority over north carolina state board of elections will be transferred to that one statewide office that will be controlled by a republican. yes. elections will now be overseen by the state auditor. democrats and supporters of democracy have worked tirelessly for weeks to keep the spotlight and the political pressure on republicans here to try and shame them from going forward with this just abundantly obvious anti democratic power grab. but republicans in north carolina today passed the bill. under the guise of hurricane relief. while they still had the supermajority. so what do democrats do now? the chair of north carolina's democratic party has some ideas and she joins me next.

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passed by the requisite, the house has overridden the governor's veto and the bill becomes law notwithstanding the governor's objections, the senate notified by special message. those that can't control themselves can leave out of either of those doors. >> despite clear objections, the north carolina house voted today to pass a bill that would take power away from the incoming democratic administration including officials like the state's governor and attorney general. joining me is anderson clayton, chair of the north carolina democratic party. thank you for joining me. what is your reaction to what happened today in your state? >> republicans, once again, used their powers and legislature to strip power away from the voters of north carolina. it is nothing we have not seen this party due time

and time again in this state and we are prepared to fight them at every level possible through litigation efforts afterwards and also through maintaining voter education we need to continuously help people understand that what is happening right now in our state legislature and our judicial branch in north carolina is political corruption from the republican party. >> you mentioned legal avenues, can you elaborate on that, what recourse do you think you have for the courts? >> we are exploiting every option we have as a party. we fully anticipate, friday of last week, we were able to file in federal court to protect over 60,000 voters republicans in north carolina gop try to disenfranchise right now in our supreme court race. north carolina democratic party will continue to use every avenue possible to fight for the voters that we can in our state and protect their rights at the ballot box. >> can you elaborate? for people that don't understand practically what this means, can you sort of explain to the audience what

the implications of this power grab by replicants meet in the terms of the function of the state, the governor, attorney general, and down the line? >> senate bill 382, make no mistake, marked as a hurricane relief bill but it does nothing to get actual funding out to communities, specifically small business owners who don't need grants right now, they need assistance fully from the federal government and our state government and getting back to where they were pre- hurricane helene coming through and destroying communities across western north carolina right now. senate bill 382 is really a power grab from republicans that takes away powers from our attorney general, incoming democratic attorney general and thinking about it right now, the power of the attorney general is in any case scenario, there is a bill or legislation they find to be against the constitution of our state, the ability for them to

sue based on that precedent is there. it strips the power away from the attorney general, it becomes a lame-duck position in our council of state. republican snow that and they did that because of the incoming congressmen they gerrymandered out of his seat in the legislature right now, jeff jackson coming as the next attorney general. looking at other positions on the council seat, republicans disenfranchise and looks at our superintendent losing power from the office we elected moe green to and consolidates judicial offices across the state as well. >> it is a stunning authoritarian style power grab. anderson clayton with the north carolina government democratic party, thank you for your story. we hope to have you back. that is our show for tonight. time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. we have a senate warm here tonight, sheldon whitehouse, jon ossoff, new senator from new jersey, andy kim and future

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