good day. i'm chris jansing live at nbc headquarters in new york city. person of the year. how president-elect donald trump's wild political ride landed him on wall street today.

literally a cab ride away from where he held court as a convicted criminal less than a year ago. what he's saying now and whether it shows a man chastened by his brush with fate or emboldened ahead of an historic second term. plus, joe biden makes history, commuting a record number of criminal sentences saying america is about the possibility of a second chance. what we know about the people on his list of pardons and comations. and fatal drug overdoses plummeting. the biggest reduction ever. but why? a top official from the white house will join us to talk about that live. we start with donald trump's victory lap through new york city. the city that launched his political fortunes decades ago. today, affirming the historic comeback that's put him on the brink of a second presidential

term. there he was this morning. the president-elect ringing the opening bell on wall street. something by the way he's never done before. alongside his wife and daughters, as well as vice president-elect vance and some of his cabinet choices. the traders below were applauding and chanting usa. the moment is perhaps all the more remarkable because it took place just a dozen blocks away from where trump made history six months ago as the first former president convicted of a crime. that moment on the heels of this. and it was behind him when he was on wall street. a cover of time magazine naming him their person of the year for the second time. an honor he coveted enough to hang a fake cover in golf clubs before he got the real one. all this setting the stage from trump's second inauguration, but new polling shows the nation is

split about what the future will bring. a cnn poll shows a majority, 55%, think he's doing a good job with the transition so far, but while nearly seven and ten believe he'll bring change to the country, less than half believe it will be change for the better. joining me now, mark fisher, co-author of the book, trump revealed. eddie glaude is a professor at princeton and msnbc analyst. vaughn hillyard is here in studio with me. vaughn, help me unpack this, what this day means to donald trump and do you read anything into the fact that he had an interesting group of people standing around him? i'm sure he could have invited anyone he wanted to. >> not only going to the new york stock exchange, walking about the floor, ringing the bell, being celebrated with chants of usa. i think it's also to note the other event taking place was the

fact he was named time's person of the year. in that shot there to donald trump's right, it's the ceo of time who was standing alongside donald trump. in a lot of ways, we have seen over the last couple of weeks, flattery and cozying up to donald trump. by foreign leaders, republicans on capitol hill, but also the likes of those like the ceo of times standing there for this event. you saw the group standing on the floor. i was there on the floor of the stock exchange. standing next to scott bessant, howard lutnick. pam bondi. kelly leffler, his ag pick. he was all on the floor, celebrating donald trump ringing the bell and what is going to be a new era of donald trump's economy. >> you wrote a whole book on

trump's rise. you studied him and we heard from him at the stock exchange again laying out a plan for the economy. >> i think you're going to see some good days ahead. a lot of incentives. last time, we took it probably from close to 44, 45% down 21. everyone said that was impossible. it was always my, i really wanted to get it down to 15 and will be able to do that. i think we're going to really incentivize the country to go back and work and they will be incentivized. they're going to do well. they're going to be happy. >> it is quite a moment. he's ringing the opening bell on the new york stock exchange. he has the time cover person of the year behind him, but knowing him, studying him the way you have, does history tell us this will be a moment he reads or potentially overreads as empowering? >> well, for donald trump, the recognition from time magazine is very important.

he has, in many ways, he is stuck in the media world that he grew up in when time magazine was a dominant force in american landscape. the first time i interviewed trump, he ushered me into a room just away from his office and said, i just discovered this. we walked into a room that consisted of a large conference table filled with piles of magazines with him on the cover. many were old time magazines. somehow, he wanted me to believe he just discovered this room, but it gives you an idea of how vital it has to him to have that recognition from the very same kinds of institutions that he attacks all the time. the other thing that i noticed in the time interview with trump is that he was asked about his plans for the coming term and he said anything can happen. i think far more than being emboldened to bring new reforms or a new ideology to the country, a new path forward, he

is looking to kind of continue the show, the chaos, that we saw in the first term. and that sort of show is what he's all about. that anything can happen mentality. we see that in his cabinet choices, which are all over the board. from marco rubio, bobby kennedy, kash patel. there's no consistency. there is the show. >> and wanting to get his way, right? and i think eddie, one of the telling things about the time magazine interview was he was asked about possible recess appointments. he said i really don't care how they get them approved as long as they get them approved. give me your sense as a keen observer about this moment for trump? any chance he sees an opportunity, for example, for his legacy? work on how history will judge him in a way that might suppress

some of his more, i don't know, questionable instincts or just instincts for chaos. >> it's great to see you, chris. i wouldn't bet the house on it. donald trump is who he is. i think it's very clear that his legacy, to his mind, has been established in the fact that he ran and won for a second time. he has an agenda. it might not been ideologically driven, but he has an agenda. that agenda is bound up with a set of precepts, a set of commitments that i think represent a fundamental danger to american democracy. let me say this. it's disheartening to see donald trump ringing the bell at wall street, right? it shows us the kind of deep connection between his candidacy, what he represents, and the element of greed and selfishness in this country. you see how the lack of diversity on the floor.

everywhere. that's not the america that i grew up in. it's not the america that you live in. i understand "time" magazine and what it's doing, but part of my worry is that we're normalizing this guy. if he was a danger or threat before he was elected, to my mind, he remains so even as the president-elect of the united states. >> let me ask you something else. we just got word that the president-elect is now tapping kari lake, who failed in a run for governor and senate, to lead the federally funded news outlet, voice of america. voice of america reaches an astonishing 326 million adults globally every week across all of its platforms. but listen to what she said in 2022. just a couple of years ago. >> these monsters in the press, they'll cut that out and they'll say kari lake is against under water basket weaving

professionals. >> all right, press, make sure you get it right. >> i shouldn't even call them the press. the propagandas. >> yes, yes. so -- >> let's defund the press. the media. >> yeah. >> defund the media. >> defund the monsters and propagandas. is this another example of donald trump putting someone in charge of an entity that that person seems to despise? >> yes, and let's be clear. kari lake was in the press. she knows how this was -- >> she was a tv anchor. >> exactly. in so many ways, it's just projection and performance. and look, we say that donald trump is not ideological. he's not an ideolog in a sense that he's strict. and kari lake will be his mouthpiece to the world.

it's going to be, magaism is going to be one of our chief exports and we need to understand the implication of that. this is just another side of the chaos that will ensue, but it's ordered, purposeful, and we need to be mindful of that as well. >> it brings it all together, doesn't it, vaughn? when you hear what both eddie and mark have to say about the performtive nature of donald trump. that he also seems to admire so much in the people he wants to surround himself and now put into his administration. another example, pete hegseth, whose most recent career had been on fox news, right? there's a political report and a shift of strategy there. they say trump and his allies are now cracking down. have a new, more confrontational approach with coordinating with outside forces. to try to grind senators into submission. it's part of the performance,

right? this whole thing of let's make this a very public fight and one we're going to win. >> if you're the likes of joni ernst and bill cassidy, you have senate re-elections in 2016. i was talking to somebody yesterday who is aware and understanding of the view within the trump transition of donald trump's posture to some of those senators like ernst. i was told that number one, donald trump is laying low here at the moment and not coming out with threats to primary them at the same time for ernst, specifically, if she thought at any point in time she would be the replacement pick, that is all but gone as a possibility because she is standing in the way of a clear path for pete hegseth. at the same time here, this is a moment for republican senators here. if you give them the benefit of the doubt. that they ran for political office for the purpose of serving the constituents of

their state. to go and fight on behalf of them. this is more than potentially an inability to work with trump and who's going to be in his cabinet, but also when it comes to the budget, the committees they work on. to the extent they pick up the phone and reach the oval office or those within the administration. it would be a tough four years ahead for some of these republican senators if right off the bat, they have a brick wall between them and the white house because they're standing in the way of some of these picks. >> mark, you had an interesting column. you talked about the showdown developing between trump and his allies on one side and the deep state. civil servants you describe as the main protectors of american society. in that new interview with "time" magazine, donald trump suggests he might be open to firing civil servants if they don't back his policies. how is that going to play out? >> all odds, it's not going to play out. he's going to make a big show,

just as he will with deportations. he'll make a big show of some raids at factories. the same thing that happened with federal workers where he may try to relocate an agency or two. he did that in his first term. how did it work out? within a year or two of that decision, the agencies were back to full force. back working where they originally worked. so there is a major gap between what trump wants to do, which is blow things up, turn things upside down, but that's what voters elected him to do. that was his message in all of his campaigns. but there's a giant gap between that and his competence and staying power and interest level, which all sort of mitigate in the other direction. he once told me he's all about getting things and much less about doing them once he's gotten it. and so i think that was a rare moment of real insight that he had into himself. where he genuinely loves the

winning. we all know that he hates losing. and once he has the opportunity to do the work, he doesn't really have the interest or staying power. i think the kari lake example is a perfect example of that. that is not a presidentially appointed position. sure, he would like her to run the voice of america. he's going to try to move things so she gets that position, but there's a separate, independent board that makes that decision. so that sort of lack of knowledge or interest in how government really works hindered trump in the first term. i think it will do so even more the second time around. >> mark, vaughn, gentlemen, thank you. eddie, you're staying with me. breaking news. what a watchdog says about the fbi's failures in the lead up to january 6th. ut the fbi's failures in the lead up to january 6th. ♪ ♪

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living. and it's a challenge for the fbi where some of them were attempting to work from home. that's something that is very difficult for the fbi to deal with. this is at the end of a really bad year for everyone including fbi agents. that key period is during a vacation time and there was also an attack happening simultaneously. a lot of reasons the fbi might have struggled with this from the get go. what you see in this report is a lot of bureaucracy, a lot of hang ups, and a lot of issues just doing that basic step. the basic step language is from the deputy director of the fbi who said that was a basic step that that should been taken and he would have expected it to have been taken in the lead up. >> i want to make sure that we understand what else in terms of this so-called fedsurrection

theory growing among trump supporters, that it was instigated from the inside. and explain the difference between informants and insiders and why this has become such an issue. >> as soon as i saw the numbers reflected in the report, i think this is something we're going to see a lot of the right wing media run with. while there were no undercover fbi informants in the crowd, that's something the report says explicitly. they found no undercover agents in the capitol during the attack. there were about 26 individuals in d.c. who were confidential human sources for the fbi. sounds like a big number, but what you're actually talking about here is a much smaller cohort of individuals who were actually there because the fbi asked them to go to d.c. because they were following a domestic terrorism suspect. in the single digits, i believe three were actually in that

category. what you're talking about here is a lot of people who went on their own. they were fans of donald trump. this isn't something the fbi was asking them to do. but that number is going to raise a lot of concerns on the right and it's something we've seen a lot of republicans in congress zero in on this notion this was driven by those confidential human sources. there's zero evidence that even those who entered the capitol were instructed to do anything by the fbi. that was something they did on their own. we already knew that one of the individuals who testified in the proud boys trial had entered into the capitol and hasn't been charged. none of the four individuals who are believed to have entered the capitol have been charged, nor have i believe it's 13 people who were on the restricted grounds of the capitol. neither were hundreds if not thousands of others who were on the restricted grounds that day

so that's not unusual. >> clint, tell me your overall reaction to what you just learned from the report? >> the first part, this would be a vulnerability assessment. january 6th is coming up. there have been several instances of violence in d.c. after the election and before the inauguration. so that first part, it's a failure of intelligence aggregation and synthesis and providing it in a way that you can reenforce defenses and make sure you have proper defenses in place. >> how does that happen, clint? if it's so basic, if they keep saying a basic step was missed. >> yes. it should not have happen -- it should have happened. they should have collected this iniothink january 6th and even before, if i were on or you were on with any of us and media, knew that january 6th was going to be a major event. it was clear there were going to be a lot more people there.

a lot of the folks that were part of the january 6th hearings said they knew just from looking at their own cell phones and social media feeds that it was going to be a major event. this is a significant mistake in intel collection and defense was not done in a very significant way. contributing to that, if they had confidential human sources, that should have preempted the fbi to do the assessment in advance. they should have been able to plan accordingly and provide insights both to the law enforcement and to the capitol that day. but also just the region from federal to state to local. that should have happened. >> so, clint, one of the things from obviously this report, or from this interview that "time" magazine did with donald trump is that he said he's going to pursue pardons for these rioters. what message do you think the

pardons, even if they are for non-violent offenders, would send? >> i think it confuses what the rule of law is versus what personal preferences might be for anyone who's in charge at the time. it's pretty straightforward with all of these cases. they committed a federal crime by entering that area. the protected area by force, by storming into the capitol. many of these individuals pled guilty. you know, they didn't even go to trial. so to be pardoned for something they even admitted guilt to is very difficult i think for americans to understand what the standard is. and also creates more i think confusion in the future about what political leaders or what law enforcement officials do or say while they're in their employment roles then what is justified according to the law. so create a lot of trip wires potentially down the road where somebody says to mobilize, maybe an elected official. maybe an appointee. maybe someone at a state level does the same. you have major incident with

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president biden made history today, announcing the biggest single one-day act of clemency by commuting the sentences of roughly 1500 people. all are non-violent offenders. most had been released om prison and placed in home confinement during the pandemic. mr. biden frames the act in a way that echoes his controversial pardon of his son, saying in a statement, america was built on the promise of possibility and second chances. as president, i have the great privilege of extending mercy to people who have demonstrated remorse and rehabilitation. mike memoli is at the white house. eddie glaude is back with me. mike, in addition to those 1500 clemencies, biden also pardoned 39 people. there's a difference between clemency and a pardon. all, non-violent offenders. but what else do we know?

>> reporter: when you look through all the information the white house gave us on these individuals who were pardoned, a few things stand out. the first, the way in which these individuals have been giving back to their communities. one of the people pardoned was a pilot who has spent his time helping members of his church who aren't able to perform strenuous tasks. a woman in texas who is a nurse who's helped in a number of emergency responses and during the covid pandemic. another individual from denver who is an addiction counselor now helping young people struggling with addiction to find their purpose, as the white house puts it. you also three throughout the biographies of these 39 individuals, multiple references to the fact that if some of these people were sentenced today for the crimes they were sentenced for decades ago, their time in jail would have been far less. that speaks to sort of the categories that the white house is considering as they look at additional pardons. we've seen the white house do

this before, including this summer during pride month. the person offering a blanket pardon for individuals sentenced homosexual acts, a punishment that no longer exists in the code. you also see this, chris, in the commutations. the democrats applauding the move are highlighting this as an example of what they see as targeting the issue of mass incarceration. these were 1500 individuals of 13,000 who were transferred to home confinement during the covid pandemic as part of a law signed by then president trump. all of these individuals with the exception of 22 out of 13,000 have had no recidivism. they've been contributing to their communities. it speaks to a message the president's trying to send here about these non-violent offenses and the ways in which our criminal justice system can be made more fair.

>> one of the democrats he mentioned is rafael warnock. he's not just a u.s. senator, but a senior pastor at the ebenezer baptist church. this is his reaction to the decision by the president. >> i was heartened by his announcement and when we look at some of the inequities in the system, i hope that he will continue to make use of his clemency authority. to bring relief to folks who have found themselves in the cross hairs of our, of some of the inequities and brokenness in our system. >> so you have a lot of people, eddie, whose crimes are no longer considered crimes. simple use and possession of marijuana. a former service member who violated what was the military's laws against homosexual conduct. do you see this as a statement of progress that not just reflects who we are as a country, but also frankly as a

contrast to the retribution being promised by the incoming administration? >> i definitely contrast, chris.shifting from a carsceral state where there's punishment to the idea of a second chance and possibility. that stands in contrast to i am your revenge, i am your retribution kind of rhetoric that's coming. you have folk caught up in the criminal justice system because they're homeless and have stolen some sanitary products. you compare that to how january 6 is being treated. how hunter biden is being treated. here, you see these kind of parallel experiences with the justice system. this act of clemency at this scale gives us a sense that perhaps we can, in some ways, correct the enequities, the brokenness, as senator warnock

said, within the system. but we have to acknowledge how broken it is. >> thank you both. up next, california's franklin fire is still growing and forcing more evacuations in malibu. nbc's dana griffin spoke to dick van dyke who was among those who fled the flames. we'll have that after this. amoo fled the flames. we'll veha that after this

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the palace that assad called home in syria until he was overthrown last week. its lavishness, a shocking contrast to what awaited anyone who challenged his brutal authority for decades. here's richard engel. >> reporter: he lived on a palace high on a hill in damascus. now, it's under control of the rebels who overthrew him. today, we got a tour inside. assad and his wife seemed to have modern tastes. you are first greeted by the grand atrium, accented by a classic, wood panelled library. upstairs was for the family only. the apartment where the rebels say assad lived. you could tell this was really the inner sanchum. there are heavy, bulletproof doors.

electric key pads. this could have been sealed off, but in the end, it didn't do him any good. all the security was to protect his bedroom. ransacked after he fled. there's something curious when you go to someone's house. people want to see their bathrooms to get a sense of how they live. well, this was assad's private bathroom in here. with a jacuzzi tub. can't imagine he'll be living this well in exile in russia. today, the new interim government said syria is broke. cash flow didn't seem to be a problem for the man at the top. ah, his personal barber chair. you can imagine him here. getting ready for the day. assad lived well as a dictator until it all ended for the man accused of being responsible for the deaths of half a million syrians. all to protect his life of power and luxury. rebels we've spoken to here in

damascus say they want assad to be sent back from russia and tried here for war crimes. >> nbc's richard engel, thank you. well, the power is back on in malibu, california, but the franklin fire has now consumed more than 4,000 acres and is still just 7% contained. an emergency supply station is up and running for the people still evacuated while nearly 2,000 firefighters battle the flames. alongside them, a new community funded fire brigade made up of 45 volunteers trained by officials. >> i lost my parents' house, a lot of my friends lost their houses. made me look in the mirror to say how do i take more responsibility for a decision to live in high fire prone areas. >> what's the latest, dana? >> reporter: the franklin fire may still pose threats, but the good news is santa ana winds have calmed down. they have been replaced by a nice, onshore breeze.

it's cool and bringing much needed humidity to the area. the fire has burned more than 4,000 acres. it is now 7% contained and that is a really good number. there aren't really any active ones happening now. you have some fire crews sweeping up the hot spots and they want to make sure the fires don't reignite. you've got some 1500 firefighters working around the clock, they are staged here along the beach, taking turns to make sure they keep this fire under control. you've had thousands who have been forced to evacuate including celebrities like dick van dyke. he invited us inside his home and got to tell us about his harrowing evacuation and he's crediting his neighbors for saving his life. >> the fire's coming over the hill and what i did was exhaust myself. i forgot how old i am and i realized i was crawling to get

out. up here. up here, i'm 12, but i'm 99. a neighbor came, two neighbors came. picked me up, carried me out to the car and got me out of here or i wouldn't have done it. i don't think i would have made it. trying to crawl to the car and exhausted myself and couldn't get up. three neighbors came and carried me out. >> reporter: he's also crediting firefighters for saving his home. we were inside and it's like a living museum. he's got so much memorabilia from the seven decades of his career and showbusiness. when it comes back to the fire, officials say they are trying to determine the cause of the fire, but it will take a number of days before they have it fully put out. back to you. >> thank you for that. well, coming up, a new double digit drop in drug overdose deaths in the u.s. what's behind it?

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that requires sweeping reforms to curve excessive force and racial discrimination. it comes less than five years after officers there drew nationwide scrutiny and criticism in the shooting death of breonna taylor. ken, what more can you tell us? >> this is a 240 page consent decree and the product of two years' negotiations. both sides raced to get it done and signed before the biden administration leaves office. president-elect trump said he doesn't believe it's the justice department's role to oversee whether local police departments are following civil rights laws. it comes three and a half years a f a scathing doj report that found that the louisville police department was discriminating against black citizens. the report was sparked by the killing of breonna taylor, a black medical worker who was shot in a botched raid. a former officer who participated in the raid and another who helped falsify the search warrant were convicted on

federal charges while two others are under indictment. take a listen. >> let me say officers have demanding and dangerous jobs. we all know most officers act honorably under challenging circumstances and at great personal risk. now, we will have an enforceable court order that provides the guidance and tools to truly strengthen their work and efforts to promote public safety. >> this has to be more than just words on a page. we are going to put in the work that is required to keep people safe and do it in a way that builds community trust and confidence in lmpd. >> sorry, that was of course the police chief in louisville. this decree will revise louisville police's use of force policies with an emphasis on deescalation. it's also designed to ensure police only conduct stop and searches that are constitutional

and do not discriminate based on race. >> thank you. america just saw the largest decrease in drug overdoses in its recorded history. a possible sign of hope against the brutal opioid epidemic that has taken nearly half a million lives since 1999. overdoses dropped a staggering 17% in the one-year period between july of 2023 and this year. the number of deaths dipped below 100,000 consistently this summer. here to talk about it, dr. rahul gupta. good to see you again. what's behind this drop? >> well, thanks for having me, chris. look, when president biden came into office, we were seeing 31% rises in overdose deaths year after year and now we're seeing 17% decline. that's a 48% turn around. this is because the president committed on day one to make this a part of unity agenda, bring the country together and

provide historic investments into america's communities. we've made sure that the narcan is available broad and wide for people to use almost at no cost, at the lowest prices ever. we've made sure that people who have addiction are getting the help when and where needed, including through telehealth. and the president had so much cooperation and sort of required that cooperation from leaders of other countries to make sure that we are disrupting the flow and the production of fentanyl into our communities. all of these actions have led to this historic and momentous drop which means actually saving american lives. tens of thousands of people are alive today because of these policies. >> some health experts are warning though that we should remain cautious about the numbers because there are other factors that could be driving them. that in fact, some argue, it may not mean progress. so do you have evidence that

those actions you just talked about, these direct actions by the administration, are in fact behind this and are there other things you still see that are contributing here? >> certainly. we know when you provide naloxone, you can save a life because we can't treat dead people. it's important to know about 8 million americans have addiction from opioids. 47 million across the country from substance abuse disorder. now, president has enacted both, you know, the changes in law to make sure that telehealth, for marginalized populations, underserved populations, as well as everyone else, that treatment is available. same way goes back to the fact that when we act properly on these resources for which the president has fought for, we save lives. the fact is today, coming into the holiday season, we will have

some empty chairs at dinner tables around, but the help is here. help has arrived and we have more work to do. there's no doubt about this. and this is why we want to make sure that the incoming administration has the tools and the understanding of policies that needs to do to continue to save those lives because we have more work to do. >> 94,000 is still a staggering number and the boston globe is reporting that rfk jr. said he supports tough love in approaching addiction. he argues that what the government has done isn't working. are you concerned the next administration will abandon some of the policies that you believe have contributed to these better numbers? >> well, first of all, tough love can come in different forms. if it's about getting with compassion, people into care, saving their lives first and foremost with evidence-based policies following the science where it leads you, it makes

sense. but we should not go back to the old policies of incarcerating people who have suffered from addiction. there's no love lost for bad people who are up to no good to harm americans. but for 47 million americans who suffer from addiction, they need help. they need to get, we need to understand that addiction is a disease of the brain. just like so many other diseases. you treat it as such. as well as make sure people have the resources and the assistance they need. this is the only way. because this is not only a epidemic of addiction. it is a national security, an economic prosperity, as well as a public health crisis and we need to make sure that we understand this as such in order to make sure we have the most robust workforce of the future, the most robust policies of the future, and investment into the american people. >> dr. gupta, we really appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, chris.

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