on the new hour of ayman, free speech for me, but not for the. plus, he ran on the savior of our economy, but could trump my in nasty deportation plan bring it to its knees? and my panel react to those lining up to brown nose donald trump, earning them a spot on our worst of the week. i'm ayman mohyeldin , let's do it. if you listen to president-elect donald trump and his republican allies during the campaign, it was clear they were running as the pro-free speech party. >> i will bring back free speech in america, because it

is been taken away. >> donald trump is the candidate of the first amendment. he is the candidate of free speech. >> to me, it's a disqualifier to be president of the united states if you don't believe in the freedom of speech. >> the other side wants to take away your freedom of speech. >> you must have free speech in order to have democracy. that is why it's the first amendment. >> now, just one month after his election victory, here is what the so-called free-speech candidate had to say about the media. >> the media is tamed down a little bit. their likeness much better now, i think. if they don't, we will just have to take them on again, and we don't want to do that. >> yeah, and if that wasn't enough, to what trump's pick for cabinet and administration have said about free speech, starting with this guy, kash patel, who trump wants to leave the ei. >> we will go out and find the conspirators, not just in government, but in the media, yes, we are going to come after the people in the media who lied about american citizens, who helped joe biden rigged presidential elections.

we are going to come after you. whether it is criminally or civilly, we'll figure that out. >> and then there's this guy, rfk junior, trump's nominee to lead the health and human services department, upon endorsing trump kennedy argued it was the democrats, not the republicans, who were the ones silencing people they disagree with. now that same person is indicating that if confirmed, he will likely fire around 600 employees at the national institutes of health who don't agree with his vision. and don't forget, trump's first buddy, billionaire elon musk, the owner of x, who will be in charge of the so-called apartment of government efficiency fancies himself a free speech absolutist. musk said earlier this year on social media platform that without free speech, all is lost. but guess what? during his tenure as the owner of x, the company has suspended the accounts of journalists critical of him or his public and allies like vice president- elect jd vance. and that despite not being ever elected by anyone, muskets

threatening senate republicans by a primary challenger backed by him if they don't fall in line. and support trump's nominees. trumps allies like patel, rfk, and must have given a clear warning to any potential dissidents. fall in line, and or face the consequences. all in-service of their fearless leader, donald trump. a man who has called for the jailing of anyone who desecrate the american flag. someone who has threatened to go after the broadcast licenses of outlets over coverage he doesn't like. and someone who, according to rolling stone, is reportedly planning to escalate his war on leaguers and the press using media subpoenas, communication seizures, whistleblower prosecutions, and legal threats against news outlets. one conservative lawyer familiar with trump's plans warned it will be brutal. the idea that trump and his allies are free-speech champions, that was always absurd to any observer. for them, free speech means they get to shout the loudest, silencing everyone who disagrees with them.

what's bring in my panel for the hour, daniel moody, host of the daniel moody show and cohost of the new abnormal podcast. and hayes brown, writer and editor for innocent bc daily. it's great to have both of you with this. danielle, i will start with you and this abc news story. what do you make the decision, abc agreeing to pay $50 million to a future trump foundation and library, i believe, or museum for the allegation that george stephanopoulos mislabeled, or i should say, defamed donald trump by mislabeling the outcome of the e jean carroll trial. >> this is what it looks like to obey an advance. this is what it looks like to signal to all of media that if you don't do right by me, then i am coming after you. so you have abc doing the cya campaign, making sure that they are covered. and saying here's $15 million.

it might as well be bribe money. it may as well be hush money. and to what foundation? i'm just curious. what's going to be inside this museum? is it the documents, the national archives never got back waxy what is in here? is it gold toilets? >> that is something that gets built. you never know when it will get built. >> we never know. >> what you make of the decision by abc? we were speaking our previous hour with barbara mcquade, harry litman, two very well- respected lawyers who actually felt that abc legally speaking has a very strong case to stand on, and that the idea of donald trump winning a defamation lawsuit would require them proving that george stephanopoulos knew that statement was being false and that he was doing so with intention. and they were arguing it was almost impossible to prove. >> i agree with them, they are completely right. there is a reason why defamation cases are so hard to bring against news entities. you have to show actual malice. you have to show that the people who were making the statements knew that it was

false and were willingly doing so to try to defame the person in question. trump would've had a very hard time winning this case. the issue is that it does not matter if the jury in question would've actually granted trump 's filing, if they would've agreed that stephanopoulos had defamed him. the process of discovery, getting all the emails out from abc, that was going to be embarrassing. you remember the dominion lawsuit after the 2020 election, with fox news having to turn over so many documents that were straight up embarrassing as to how they handled themselves. abc probably did not want to go through that. so they decided to kick this money over to a future presidential library foundation, which, honestly, the fact that they get to then say they are giving it a charity, because i've seen headlines trying to make that application, is wild. because like you said, there is no rhyme or reason about it, there is nothing saying his money has to go to a presidential library, that has to has these parameters. that's just free money, basically. >> let me just add to that,

because we literally, as you saw, i just got handed this note from our colleague, lisa rubin, on abc settlement. she actually addresses this nugget that we have been discussing. i will read it here, just make sure i get it accurate. the settlement contains a tacit admission that as of yesterday trump still had not established a 501(c)(3) for his presidential library museum. that is why it is reflected from the settlement agreement, abc will pay the $50 million into an escrow account, maintained by his lawyers, and it will be transported to the appropriate entity only after trump's team confirms the nonprofit has been established and recognized by the irs. it seems like the kind of general concern that we have that this money is just going to kind of go somewhere in the ether, it is also not being spelled out that yes, abc is giving the $50 million, but only into an escrow account until that organization, that 501(c)(3) is ultimately created. >> i feel so much better now. >> and when you think about the fact that the inauguration

committee fundraising out there, for this time, and when you look back at 2016 and how they raised over $100 million they never fully accounted for. it feels good to know that there will be a real legal entity getting that money, but how the money will be spent once it is set up? >> the message behind it, that's very important. as you say, obey in advance. we are going to get into this later on in the show with some of these media organizations and elsewhere, that are anticipating an incoming administration. but for me, but this aside for a moment. it is the sound bite that we played with he says the media is starting to like us now. and if they don't like us more, we are going to have to attack them and we certainly don't want to do that. >> i fully expect that right after donald trump pleases his hand on that bible and becomes the president of the united states that we are going to see nothing but beautiful headlines of donald trump and all of the wonderful things that he has been doing.

if we thought 2020 was the washing of everything he says, it is that times 1 million. it is everything is kash patel is not that that, he has some good ideas. and rfk junior, polio wasn't that terrible, it only killed millions of people. and pete hegseth, he's not that terrible, it is just the fact that he has a white super misses tattoo and allegedly drinks all the time. it is going to be this sane washing, this idea that this man who is an autocrat, who is a dictator, has billionaires in his pocket and has created an entire oligarchy that is taking over our country. but you are not going to hear about it. you are not going to see it. there will be some little voices that are still there, but the masses will think that donald trump is just a normal president and this is a normal cabinet, because the media has signaled that they are on his side. >> speaking of the broligarchy,

did you coin that, by the way? i like that, we can make t- shirts with that. but speaking of the romance between elon musk and donald trump, what do you make of him saying that if you don't fall in line he is now going to basically fund primary challengers against them? we will talk about it later in the show, but this threat coming out of somebody who is close to trump, not in government, with a lot of money, willing to what denies that money in our politics. >> that, i think, is normal. unfortunately, that is normal. the fact that elon musk is so willing to be the face of that movement is the only thing that really differs him from the koch brothers back in 2010, spending a fortune. >> and he is more in line with trump. i understand people do that with parties, but generally it's more about issues as

opposed to just being subservient to donald trump. i get a sense that he wants people who are subservient to donald trump. >> absolutely, that is just where the gop is right now. like the koch brothers were pushing the tea party, who were sort of the proto-version of the maga movement, even though the koch brothers themselves did not really ascribe to the sort of, the same sort of mind- set as the tea party represented. they wanted lower taxes, they wanted lower regulations, they want the same things that elon wants. and in this post citizens united world we are really seeing that if money equals speech, if you have the most money, you get the most speech. that is what elon is making specific in a way that is honestly putting a spotlight on him the could cause for backlash. that is probably why the koch brothers preferred to operate in the shadows and went through a network. elon is out there saying look at me, i am the one who is making these, calling the shots, and because of my connections with trump and because of my fortune i am

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turns out that one of trump minds geeky campaign, says, the largest mass deportation and history, will end up devastating our economy, which voters say was one of the key issues that brought them to trump. in its recent report, the american immigration council found that mass deportations would reduce the united states gdp anywhere from 4-6%, or maybe even higher. that would be exacerbated by a labor shortage. key industries such as construction and agriculture would lose at least one in eight workers. in 2022, nearly 90% of undocumented migrants or immigrants were of working age, compared to 61% of u.s.-born citizens. and the cost for this

historic mass deportation, the aic estimates that a long-term effort removing 1 million migrants per year would cost upwards of 967 billion tax dollars over a decade. danielle and hayes are back with me. this is actually a conservative estimate with the numbers we are seeing here. because it does not include the cost of hiring thousands of new ice agents. and the charter flights, or even the processing centers that would be established to get these people to the border, and then from there onwards to their home countries. trump has said there is no price tag that is too high when it comes to his mass deportation plan. so, are these costs are going to fall on the shoulders of the american people, one way or the other? >> yes. and i think there was this person called the vice president of the united states, that was running for office, the tried to tell america that this is exactly what was going to happen. what we were going to lose was, let's say social security,

medicaid, all of the social safety nets that elon musk and his little doge committee are going to say these are the things that need to be cut so that we can fund. they won't cut the pentagon, which has an in aided budget, and they won't -- >> and continues to fail audits year after year. >> correct, and they won't tax the rich and the way they need to to fund this. no, they will take away what little services do exist for the american public and say that this is what we are going to be using. they will cut the department of education, which they have said they will do. so this was always the plan. it was always going to fall on the american taxpayer. i don't know why people would turn around now and be shocked. particularly those that are the heads of these manufacturing plants, and that voted for donald trump and they thought oh, but not me. okay, leopards, face, eating. >> there is something also very problematic about this, and deeply disturbing. it is one that we want to note the numbers of social security medicaid, in 2022 undocumented immigrants contributed $22

billion to social security and close to $6 billion to medicare. a total of $28 billion. those are programs they can't even use, because of their undocumented status. so when you actually think about how sick this is, they are actually paying, they pay taxes, they are paying into the services that american citizens are using, and now they are being deported. >> yeah, absolutely. i think that is one of the things that is so insidious about this whole set up. the idea that they are stealing from us, they are receiving the benefits. >> exactly. the american relationship to the social safety net is completely inverted from how it actually is. if you were to go out and survey people, 70 people would be so sure that everyone else is getting so many benefits. that minorities are getting all the benefits, undocumented

immigrants are getting all of them. really it is poor white people who benefit the most, because they are the largest percentage of the pie. but over the decades you've seen the demonization of the other, to try and get people to think that oh, we need to cut the services for people because it's going to the wrong people. and that is one of the base line attributes of the maga movement and their credo, the idea that yeah, you deserve everything good, it's the other people that are keeping you from getting all the good things that you want. so you have this sort of weird situation where so many trump supporters want progressive, socialist almost policies at the government to help them out, to give them things, to regulate the big businesses that are taking away from their paychecks, but they don't want the wrong people to get those benefits as well, and that is where the class comes in. >> there is an inhumanity to this kind of cruelty to this that i would argue and many would argue is the point of this policy. barack obama deported people from this country. donald trump wants ice to go

into churches and sensitive areas and basically start arresting people and putting them in detention centers before they are deported. and the images of what i expect we are going to see in this country, of young children, of women, of elderly, of men being arrested whether they are at hospitals, churches, or out of the grocery store and ultimately being thrown in the back of the van for a detention center is just going to rip this country apart. >> you know, there is a part of me that thinks that that is what's going to be necessary. because america had the opportunity to vote for something different. and they decided not to. donald trump did not win by a landslide, by any stretch of the imagination. but the fact is the people did vote for this. and what americans have not seen is they have not seen the brutality of close and personal. they have not seen john was here today, why isn't he here now? kids going to school and then they go home, and there is no one in the household.

we are going to hear the stories and we are going to see them, and maybe that is what americans need to see. because another narrative was we tried to create it. democrats tried to create another narrative and americans didn't want to buy it. because, as jonathan mansell wrote about dying of whiteness, they would rather cut their nose to spite their face. because they are the ones that benefit from these social safety nets, but if other people are benefiting then they would rather take it away. these are the same people that drained the swimming pools in the 1950s and 60s. they would rather their kids not swim then to integrate and to have like people swimming. that is the mentality that we are dealing with. >> we got to squeeze in a quick break, got more to discuss after the break. we are going to take a look at trump's latest flip flops, before he even gets into the white house. shocked. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ ♪ far-xi-ga ♪

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>> i go in, so many people mention groceries. that beautiful but simple word, groceries. sir, my groceries. you don't think of it that way, but that's what they mention more than anything. my groceries. >> they call it groceries. bacon, lettuce, tomato, everything is so much higher than it ever was and we are going to bring that down, and we are going to do it very simply. >> i have not seen cheerios in a long time. i'm going to take them back with me. >> bacon is through the roof. they are all through the roof. the milk, everything is bad. and we're going to straighten it out, you're going to bring prices went down and we are going to get it done fast. >> those things that he's talking about, the groceries that he's talking about, that was president-elect donald trump before the election, repeatedly making the same campaign promise that he would actually lower the prices of those things that are called groceries.

it is an issue that resonated with enough voters to help propel him back into the white house, but already that promise is unraveling before our eyes in a new interview with time magazine, who just named trump person of the year, the president-elect was specifically asked whether his presidency would be a failure if grocery prices don't come down. guess what he said? yeah, he said, quote, i don't think so. it's hard to bring things down once they are up. you know? it's very hard. trump followed it up by saying i think energy is going to bring them down. i think a better supply chain is going to bring them down. stunning words from trump who said just last week he quote won on groceries. danielle and hayes are back with me. just in case you didn't know, those are called groceries. >> some people call them groceries. >> i don't know what the other people call them, but some people call them groceries. maybe i will just call them food, i don't know. >> that was the wildest statement.

it's a beautiful word. >> why do you think he is admitting that lowering prices is going to be hard? why is he now suddenly having this economic epiphany that yeah, i realize that it is not just with the stroke of a pen that i am going to be like prices, come down. >> because it's always the other guys fall. that is always going to be the case. the dread irony of the way that this whole cycle works is you have seen for decades now a republican presidency tank the economy, a democrat, in, clean it up, people be tired over how long it is taking to clean it up, once the recovery has started, feeling fine again, but i'll the democrat, bringing a republican in administration, takes it again. but trump will come into the office saying oh, but it was broken when i got here, when it really wasn't. and that is how he's going to try to wiggle his way out of this one, because it is always the other guys fall. is nothing you can do. like yeah, he's going to say oh, yeah, i came in during biden inflation, even though

inflation would've been going down for like over a year by the time he takes office. and say that it is all biden's fault. >> the dangerous thing is that his policies actually could increase the cost of the things that we buy in this country, as we just said, if you take undocumented migrants out of this country, there is a very good chance that the cost of agricultural goods that we use in this country go up because labor costs go up. if you impose tariffs on china or other countries, we get a lot of vegetables for mexico. we get a lot of supplies and others from canada. energy from canada. if the prices of those things go up because trump imposes tariffs on those countries to score some cheap points, what you think happens to the prices of those goods? they are going to go up. for the groceries. >> but just the average american, do they understand economics? no, they don't. so all donald trump had to say was i will bring things down, and they said yes and clapped

for it, and here's my vote. 25% tariffs coming out of china, coming out of canada, everything that you just said, you are going to go into the grocery store and it's not a doubt will it go up. it is going to go up. it is just a matter of when. when all of a sudden that avocado that you love so much for your avocado toast is now $25 and avocado. when all of a sudden you are going to check out of the grocery store and the bill from the week prior is now going up and up and up, by hundreds of dollars. these are the realities the people are going to have to grapple with. and he is going to turn around and blame democrats. but this is the reality. republicans come in, they take everything. democrats stay at the janitors of this country, and the cleanup after the republicans. but then they are terrible when it comes to the messaging of why they are there and cleaning up in the first place.

they take these issues that are very simple, and they make them incredibly complicated. donald trump is going to make your life harder. elon musk actually said that. america is in for some austerity, says the man sitting on 400 billion. >> let me play for you, one of the other things that donald trump lied about was that he distanced himself from project 2025, when it appeared that project 2025 was gaining traction among voters, the people were like wait a minute, what is this, we don't want to vote in project 2025. he wrote on true social that some parts of it are quote absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. that was back in the day. when asked about it in time magazine this week, quote, they have some things that are very conservative and very good. and he even went as far as to tell my colleague dustin welker last week in the democrat could've done better in the election if they had used some elements of project 2025. take a listen. >> friendly, the democrats should've used some of it. because they went with all the

transgender that they were doing, with the men playing in women sports, if they would've done that, maybe they would've done better. >> your thoughts on that? >> i mean, we all knew he was lying when he said there was no connection to project 2025. they saw that it was pulling badly and tried to distance themselves from it. they got it so that we had to put in that statement from the trump campaign saying oh, yeah, we have our own agenda. agenda 47 is nothing like project 2025. they are the same thing. it is pam from the office holding up two things and saying they are the same thing. and yet we were supposed to believe that project 2025, i mean, let's be real really quickly. project 2025 is super contradictory, superlong. there are things in there that clash with each other. but the parts that are going to be admitted are the parts that were written by people who are being put into the administration. and those parts are what were going to be dangerous and effective, like the way that russ bought, who is going to be the director, says oh yeah, congress passed the law and

spends money. but the president can just say don't spend that money. and that's fine. that is dangerous, you're going to use it to end the weight of the federal funds are distributed, to try and check off things that congress is trying to find. those of the dangerous parts of product 25, the less flashy ones in the parts about transgender rights and all that. the less obvious ones. that is what has me worried. >> the idea that politicians do this all the time, they run on things knowing that it will be hard to accomplish or that they probably will not accomplish them, just given the nature of politics. but the way that donald trump gas lights us and gas lights the public is what makes it so shocking. >> but it's not, because i honestly don't think that donald trump really does gaslight. he actually says these are the things i'm going to do and then he does them. so i don't understand why people -- >> is is i'm going to lower the gas places, those are lies. >> of course it is, but we

don't backcheck them as much as we should. because the media gets exhausted. so we don't backcheck him. and this idea that all politicians lie, so we don't need to follow it. but donald trump has said you know who he is in bed with. with musk and all of these people and what they are about. so for people to think that donald trump, because he said we don't have anything to do with project 2025, but your vice president wrote the forward? >> but the problem is that trump says whatever the audience wants to hear. so a lot of times he saying out right what he wants to do, like i am going to deport all of these people. believe that. but when he says things like i am going to drill more energy, to bring down prices, the way he said i saw in the last hour trump mentioned oh, i think we are going to back off the transgender issues, because that's what people want to hear. and that is part of why people were so convinced to vote for him, because they would hear what he says and choose selectively amongst the things. like okay, that thing sounds good, i like that. the rest, he's just joshing,

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♪far-xi-ga♪ ♪far-xi-ga♪ ask your doctor about farxiga. it's time now for our worst of the week. the preemptive sucking up to donald trump edition. of it is ceo mark zuckerberg donating $1 million to donald trump's inaugural fund. the donation comes after trump threatened to punish zuckerberg during the election if they did anything to hurt his campaign. message received, bullying works, folks. now just hours after that news broke, guess who stepped in. amazon announced their own one million-dollar gift. founder jeff bezos, who used to call trump a threat to democracy, is planning to visit

trump at mar-a-lago next week. here is how he talks about the president-elect now and interviews. >> if we are talking about trump, i think it's very interesting. i am actually very optimistic this time around. you probably grown in the last eight years, he has, too. >> 78-year-old donald trump is grown so much in the last few years. but wait, there's more. yesterday, sam altman's open a.i. announced that it is also buying a seat at the table by adding another million dollar donation to the trump inauguration. this comes at the end of a triumphant week for a media obsessed donald trump after time magazine, owned by marc benioff, made him person of the year and touted his comeback of historic proportions. danielle and hayes are still with me. so, there is a difference between kissing up to someone and then paying for this type of influence. i assume this is what they're doing, they are hoping to have, i assume they

are trying to ingratiate himself to him. i don't know why jeff is is is doing what he is doing now, but what do you make of it? >> i mean, the fact is $1 million to these people is absolutely nothing. so that should just be emceeing in and of itself. the fact is that they are, again, this is a cya campaign. this is how people protect themselves. and protect their wealth. protect their influence in their assets. so if they know that donald trump says he will come after them, then you preemptively do the right thing. oh, he is the president and we must respect the president, don't you understand that? this is their m.o.. so it does not matter what jeff bezos has said before. it is now donald trump is great and he has grown so much. guess what, senator collins said the same thing. oh, when he was in impeached, donald trump will learn, he will grow. i did not realize that adolescence persisted into year near 80s. i had no idea, but evidently it

does. >> using they are doing this out of fear or access? >> yes. really, it is fear and access. they don't want to be iced out. they don't want to, when the terrorists hit, they want to make sure they are exempted. their business. amazon, they deal with so many imports. so many imports from china. then you have meta-, they want to make sure they still have access, that they are not going to be frozen out for whatever comes next. and the way to do it is through the inaugural slush fund. donald trump does not have a hotel in d.c. anymore where people can book rooms,'s you have to be able to get cash in his hand in some way. >> the sad things is it is not just republicans, it is not tech ceos, it is democrats, as well. let me share this with you. politico reporting democrats are trying to establish formal relations with trump's top donor, elon musk, including john fetterman from pennsylvania who compared him to superhero tony stark. he even joined true social to declare that trump should be pardoned for his new york hush

money case, the one where he was found guilty of all 34 felony counts. ladies and gentlemen, esteemed democrat john fetterman from pennsylvania. >> i mean, john fetterman has shown who he is time and time again. but this is why i think that 7 million americans stayed home in the last election. because they look at the capitulation the democrats do and they say why am i voting for you? how are you any different? how is it that donald trump was the most dangerous person to our democracy, this is what we were told, and now all of a sudden everyone is mom. yeah, i will work with them, let's pardoned him, we need a clean slate. that is what represented clyburn said. >> really quick, i think it's that they are all just like okay, full resistance. so they are trying to bluff now saying okay, we will take the things that you say you are a populist, and will show everyone that you don't actually want to do them. but by leaning in and saying he

has good ideas, you are giving him the space for the rest of the terrible ideas. >> worst of the week, who do you got? >> can i take all of them? no, i'm going to pick zuckerberg. because i think that everything has done to suppress politics and to really turn the spaces into a shell of themselves, this is just another example. >> i am to give it to jeff bezos, for the he has grown in eight years. that is the most delusional thing i've heard in a long time. >> i have to go with jeff bezos on this one. also because he owns the washington post. on one hand you are telling the world that this guy is a threat to democracy, and now you are like i think he is grown, i'm going to go see him. danielle, hayes, thank you to the both of you. stick around. we have another bonus round of worst of the week coming up after this break. after this break. recovery. ♪♪ four — i want options — nonsurgical options. and five...

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harmon was in chicago and gave a speech outlining his plans for the largest deportation in american history, and he included this threat to chicago mayor brandon johnson. >> if your chicago mayor doesn't want to help, he can step aside. but if he impedes us, if he knowingly harbors or conceals an illegal alien, i will prosecute him >> that was not the only threat from the deportation team. on fox texas, lieutenant governor dan patrick had this to say to democratic governors and mayors promising to protect their citizens from trump's federal goons. >> let me tell you why. every blue state governor and mayor who does this, you'd enter buck up, buttercup. i don't care if you are male or female. we mean business, in texas, and tom homan means business, and president trump means business. >> okay, buttercup. danielle and hayes are back with me. so, this new state senator wants to basically turn american citizens, his constituents, into bounty hunters. what could possibly go

wrong? >> oh, absolutely nothing. this slave patrol that is how the police department was started in these united states, so what is going to happen is exactly what we have been seeing. now it is daniel penny, they want violence. that is what going to cross, for $1000 here you can beat up, you can harm, you can hurt anyone that does not look like you. because how are you going to find this out? >> how does a citizen walk around, how in the world is this supposed to work that does not end up in just ugly, vile, racist confrontations? >> because that is what will be. it will be state sanctioned vigilantism. and that is, i think, something that looking back at history is a prominent part of american history. this idea of people who want to feel involved, who want to feel

big and who want to feel tough, men especially, going out and being told by people in power hey, you are now deputized, basically, to go out and do the things and round of the people and rough up the seditionist, and do the things that you really want to do to feel big and tough with our backing that you will not be prosecuted. and that, i think, is the big threat of vigilantism in this country, that when people who are in power say this is, you are not just vigilantes, you are deputies. you are doing this in our name. >> this question kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier, about democrats. maga mayor eric adams, unlike other democrats who vowed to push against this mass deportation program against trump. you've got eric adams right here in new york meeting with tom homan, saying they share quote the same goals. what do you think? he has been cozying up to trump administration himself.

there's been some reporting that since he may be in need of a pardon this may be a quick way for him to get one. what do you think is trying to do here, i guess? >> he is trying to get free. he is trying to do that, ayman. the man is under investigation. he has a jail sentence in his future. everyone around him has either resigned or they have been indicted. so the only way that he gets a get out of jail free card is if he makes friends with donald trump. so he is going to do anything and everything that he can. he does not care. he will sell new york city out. just so that he can get free. that is what his goal is. >> what do you think is behind this eric adams pivot? >> i mean, i agree that he is trying to get on the trump administration's good side. but i don't think it is because tom homan is out there trying to threaten mayors with prosecution. that's not what it is. tom homan is not going be charging any prosecutors. he has no power to actually go

after anyone. that is a lot of bluster from him. >> what about our buttercup? >> oh, our buttercup guy, from the lieutenant governor? i think that is also bluster. what is texas going to do against a blue state? nothing. are you going to take it a federal court? on what grounds. the attempt to bully others and hope that no one will notice that you have a weekend is really going to try and push through so many, so much of what we are about to see. because they have nothing really backing it up. it is all paper, empty threats. the hope is that the threats are not for people to realize oh, he's trying to punch me. even though he's got nothing behind that swing. >> do you envision a scenario in which republicans, yeah, they may not be able to prosecute, do you see them being vindictive and trying to hold up federal funding to blue states and blue cities that don't comply with them? >> did we not experience that during the first trump regime?

>> i mean, you think will be very targeted, specifically on the issue of mass deportation. >> i do, 100%. i think any governor that tries to create sanctuaries, anybody that tries to create safe spaces, which new york has done, california has done, and others, they are going to withhold funding. we saw it with covid. and aide for fema. people died because of that. but donald trump was saying, he did it again in north carolina during a hurricane, during his first and administration. withholding funds. this is the game. they will threaten, they will bully, and until people bend the knee. >> all right, guys, time to weigh an worst of the week. incoming republican state senator bounty hunter guy david gregory, or border czar tom homan. or texas lieutenant dan buttercup. >> i'm going with david gregory. has that piece of legislation will do nothing other than cause extreme violence and harm . and he will be responsible

for that. >> i'm going to say tom homan, because he is believing his own supply right now, and i am very curious to see what happens when he runs up against other parts of the federal government who wanted taken down a peg. >> i was going to say, i think the uglier one is definitely the state senator. it is ugly what he's calling for, it can be dangerous, it can be violent. let's hope it does not pass, there is a chance that it still will not pass and will not become law. but tom homan i think is probably the worst of the week because he is drunk on power. he is starting to speak like a guy who is drunk on power. he has the presidents here. and i think he is a little bit vindictive. all right, danielle, hayes, greatly appreciated having you guys been the whole hour. every saturday, really. i'm enjoying this. >> are you? >> i don't think you are, but i'm enjoying it. i know you have something

better to do on saturday. >> i always enjoy it. i got nothing better to do. >> thank you so much, we appreciate it, thanks for making time for us at home. ask her to come back tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc, commerce woman delia ramirez will join us to discuss trump mikey proposed deportation plan and the push for president biden to take action now to try to protect families in this country. and remember, you can now listen to every upset of ayman as a podcast. it just scan the qr code on the screen to listen on the go to wherever you get your podcast, and for every listening to this another msnbc podcast, subscribe to msnbc premium on apple podcasts. until then, i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. have a good night. ge iphone 16 pro on us, plus four lines for $25 bucks. and save on every plan versus the other big guys. eal. that's a lot if you ask me. ya'll giving away too fast t-mobile, slow down. [music playing]

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