thanks for joining us. happy to have you here. so have you ever had an hr issue at work? human resources? i feel like the poor human resources people get a really bad rap. they have to deal with all the worst and most annoying stuff that happens in the workplace. nobody sees the hr department when they're at their best, right? but they do an important job. you need them. there has to be somebody to call, somebody to interveern when things go -- intervene when things go wrong or weird in the workplace. imagine you're applying for a job, you want to get hired on at a new company, and you are asked to detail for your new employer your personality characteristics. they ask you to fill out an intake form, and specifically they ask you to disclose on this intake form to your potential

new employer if these specific personality characteristics you think apply to you. quote, i like to show off my body. quote, i like to look at myself in the mirror. is that one of your personality characteristics? your potential new employer wants to know, wants you to put in writing. do these personality characteristics apply to you? quote, i don't have that much interest in having sexual experiences with another person. excuse me? sorry? again, this is from your boss, from your would-be boss, asking you these questions. asking if these so-called personality characteristics, okay, apply to you. and these questions are being asked of you as part of you applying for a job. another personality characteristic, this application's intake form asks you, it asks if you would

describe yourself this way -- quote, i consistently use my physical appearance to draw attention to myself. quote, i have chronic feelings of emptiness. quote, i love large parties. quote, i leave a mess in my room. my room? what? what room? quote, i do not enjoy going to art museums. quote, i get upset when people don't notice how i look when i go out in public. you're applying for a job and you're asked to declare these things, whether these are your characteristics. here's my favorite one. what your employer is asking in considering whether or not you're going to be hired, whether or not you're suited for a job, does this personality trait apply to you -- quote, i believe in things many others don't like having a sixth sense, clairvoyance, and telepathy. and as an adolescent, i had bizarre fantasies or

preoccupations. that's all one thing. that is all one personality trait per this question, this intake form. it's believing in telepathy, like esp and clairvoyance, and also having bizarre adolescent fantasies and preoccupations. those are all listed as one thing. what do you say? you're trying to be honest, you really want this job, it's important to you. what do you say to your would-be boss when you're asked that? are you allowed to say, yes, i was preoccupied as an adolescent with, you know, wanting to paint myself blue or something -- right? but no, i don't believe in esp. are you allowed to say that? allowed to split it up? are you allowed to say yes, i definitely believe in telepathy. for example, i'm controlling you with my mind now. no, when i was 12 i wanted to be a fireman like everyone else. can you split it up? are you allowed to question the question? what do you tell your would-be

boss if only half of this individual trait applies? and this is the intake form that you are filling out to try to get a job. hr gets a bad rap. i know nobody likes the idea of being to hr for anything. but if you're applying for a job and your would-be boss asks you as part of the job application process if you like to, quote, show off your body, if your would-be boss asks you how interested you are in sex, and this would-be boss wants you to put the answer in writing and submit it to the company, call hr. right? i mean, nobody wants to, but honestly, call hr. maybe call the cops. definitely don't take that job. but that that i just showed you, the trump transition has now confirmed that that is the

questionnaire that is being administered to people who want to work for the u.s. government in the second term of donald j. trump. tara palmieri was first to get confirmation that people interested in applying for jobs under trump's choice to lead the department of health and human services, robert f. kennedy jr., people are being given this intake form. they are being given this personality characteristics quiz as an intake form for getting the job with rfk. does this personality characteristic apply to you? quote, i tend to have unstable and intense personal relationships comma, where you alternate between extremes of idealizing and devaluing others. what? does this personality characteristic apply to you? quote, i don't have much interest in having sexual experiences with another person.

seriously? this intake form to get to go work with donald trump's choice for u.s. health secretary, answer the question about how much interest you have in sex in order to get your job with the secretary of the u.s. department of health and human services. the intake form appears to be a product produced by a far right canadian podcaster, while we're on the subject of health, he famously says he flew himself to russia and serbia for what he described as emergency drug detox that included putting himself into a coma. he also famously reportedly adopted what he and his daughter market as the, quote, lion diet, l-i-o-n diet, consists of beef, salt, and water. that's all you eat. did i mention he's advising the health department?

his intake form about how much you like showing off your body and how much interest you have in sex, that is apparently now being used to screen applicants for jobs with the u.s. government, for the health part of the u.s. government, which trump wants to be led by robert f. kennedy jr. who does say a worm ate part of his brain and died in there, and it -- the whole experience in his telling dramatically reduced his cognitive capacity. the "los angeles times" is now reporting that kennedy also recently approached this man and asked this man to apply for a job at the fda. and the man says he's done it. now, is it the same intake? i don't know. maybe applying for a job at the fda at the invitation of robert f. kennedy jr. means you have to do the how much do you like sex intake form, we don't know. but the reason the "l.a. times" thought it was a news story of some importance that kennedy asked this man in particular to

apply for a job at the fda is because this man in particular is california's best-known raw milk producer. with some significant health consequences for the people of california. quote, three raw milk recalls last month were the result of positive tests for h5n1 bird flu among mcafee's cows. his farm has been quarantined. the state has suspended all sales of raw milk and cream. his company has voluntarily issued recalls for all remaining milk and cream products in stores. since 2006 the company has been involved in 13 different recalls. mcafee's farm is involved in at least 11 different lawsuits stemming from a salmonella outbreak that sickened 171 people, mostly children. in addition to the bird flu recall the, the other recalls -- recalls, the other recalls were the result of e. coli, listeria, campylobacter, and as i

mentioned, salmonella. in some cases people became severely ill with kidney failure. mr. mcafee said if he were selected for an advisory role at the fda, which rfk has invited him to apply for, he says he would, quote, look into changing food liability laws. quote, where you can't go get a million dollars for somebody that gets diarrhea for a week. oh, yum. what's the fda for again? so 13 recalls, e. coli, listeria, campylobacter, 171 people with salmonella. have you ever had salmonella? three bird flu recalls. his farms are quarantined, his products are barred from sale after making so many people sick. but if he gives the right answer to the questions about, you know, do you like to show off your body, do you ever have feelings of emptiness, this man

could be heading to the don't complain to us about your diarrhea desk at the new food and drug administration as styled and conceived by the second term of donald j. trump. how's the transition going? how professional and well organized is this thing turning out to be, huh? we've already had and forgotten the scandal of a close adviser to the president-elect being accused by the transition of offering presidential appointments to senior positions in the government for sale, for cash. one of the people reportedly championed by that adviser who was reportedly selling appointments is a guy who was named to be white house counsel not that long ago. but then the president-elect changed his mind and unannounced him as the choice for white house counsel. instead -- instead he'll be working on elon musk's government efficiency board.

he demoted him down to go work with elon. how are things going there? "the new york times" reports this weekend that the office manager from elon musk's family office has been doing the interviewing for high-ranking foreign affairs positions in the u.s. state department. the office manager for elon musk's family office is hiring for senior positions at the state department in foreign policy. what are his qualifications? i will quote "the new york times," quote -- i will quote "the new york times," the man has, quote, no experience in foreign affairs. none at all. but he does manage elon musk's family office. so why shouldn't he be the man who chooses who's in charge of the u.s. state department? that's kind of how things are going. elon musk's mother, his actual mom by training a model, she says she has also been sitting in on meetings of the department

of government efficiency, as the group is getting stood up. so elon's mom is part of that. clearly a super professional operation over there. the highest profile nomination trump is likely to make for his new administration was always going to be his choice for attorney general, right, pretty key position when the president-elect himself has recently been convicted on 34 felony counts. trump's choice, matt gaetz, had to withdraw from consideration a few days after he was named. that was a tremendous humiliation for president-elect donald trump, especially because trump himself was personally reportedly making calls to individual republican senators asking them personally himself that they should support gaetz. despite his personal calls on gaetz's behalf, it did not work. gaetz had to withdraw his nomination. it was more humiliating for the vice president-elect. vice president-elect j.d. vance was chosen to personally

physically walk matt gaetz up and down the halls of the senate, to accompany him to meetings with republican senators in person. and that also did not work. there's a reason you don't put the number one and number-two people right there personally alongside your least likely to succeed nominee. it's because it's a huge in-your-face humiliation for the president-elect personally and for the vice president-elect personally when their efforts don't work and he fails out. and the gaetz case, to add insult to injury, that totally botched attempted nomination also left an ethical and reputational bomb behind from republican members of congress who even after matt gaetz was gone, they still had to vote to keep secret the house ethics committee's findings in their investigation of the child sex

trafficking allegations against matt gaetz. very important to keep that information secret and make sure that nobody in the public ever finds out the facts. and so now all of these republicans have on their records their individual votes to keep secret the evidence and the facts discovered about this congressman's alleged involvement in child sex trafficking. so yeah, that worked out great for everybody, right? good job, trump transition. this was another of the excellent own goals from the trump transition thus far. one of the republican senators who they're counting on to lead the charge for trump's nominees, a senator who's really been out there in front for them saying every one of trump's choices is somebody who should be confirmed and all the republicans should vote for them, the guy who's been most out front for them, leading everything, is this senator. his name is -- often mispronounced tuberville.

it is not tuberville, it is tuberville. his name is tommy tuberville, the senator from alabama. >> there is more rumors up there going around about matt gaetz and pete hegseth, and even the -- all of them will have some rumor when it comes down to it. we've got to look at facts. we've got to help president trump. he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. he's not going to do that. >> is that so? is he not going to do that? again, that's a senator they need. that's the guy sort of whipping the votes and telling the republicans they need to feed for every trump nominee. what's that last thing he said again? play that again. >> he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. he's not going to do that. >> he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal -- right after senator tuberville said that, trump named a convicted felon -- his relative, charles kushner -- to be the ambassador to france. followed shortly by trump naming peter navarro to be his new

trade adviser. mr. navarro just got out of federal prison this summer. >> he's not going to pick somebody that's a criminal. he's not going to do that. >> yes, yes, yes, he is. yes, he is, senator. multiple times, he's going to do that. he's going to wait until right after you say on television that he's not going to do that to do it. so as to make it maximally embarrassing and insulting to you personally. he's going to wait until you say he's not going to appoint a criminal, and then he's going to appoint a criminal. then he's going to appoint another one right after you said that on television with everybody listening. and they really need you. the trump transition has been amazing in all sorts of ways. the "wall street journal" today ran a feature on the various and dubious pills and potions being sold by multiple trump nominees for high office. some of them continuing to show for this stuff even after they've been named as a choice for a high position in the

government. trump's surgeon general choice has her line of celebrity vitamins which she sells on instagram. they've got her picture on the label. trump's would-be medicare chief who will sell you any number of things that might cure your alzheimer's or your thyroid ailments or might make the fat melt away like magic. trump's choice for fbi director who will sell you pills that reverse the covid vaccine. sure, because -- sure. the president-elect himself is still selling stuff during the transition, as well. literally since the election he has been rolling out new products and hawking stuff on line. he's still selling the -- the bibles and the watches and the sneakers and commemorative coins and whatever. but since the election, he has branched out into selling commemorative guitars. literally since winning the election and becoming president-elect he's started selling guitars. this weekend he literally

started selling smells. new trump fragrances. trump-branded odors in a bottle. he's doing new product launches for this stuff while also expertly managing the presidential transition which is going just great. and the news -- like sometimes intrudes this comedy of errors and embarrassment. today we have news of a young man being arrested and charged in conjunction with the nation of a health insurance executive in midtown manhattan. this young man has been charged with forgery and a firearms offense at this point. and with people looking for a possible motive or an explanation for that crime, one of the things in this guy's internet history that's gotten a lot of attention today is a very enthusiastic review he appears to have given to the manifesto of the unabomber, ted kaczynski, who killed three and injured

nearly 23 others, injured 23 others in a bombing campaign that spanned more than 15 years. this young man arrested today, he has not been charged with the killing of united healthcare ceo brian thompson. we don't know yet know if he will be charged with that killing. if it is him, the fact that he's a professed unabomber fan is unsettling. i might venture that it's even more unsettling that donald trump's reported choice to run the atf is also a self-professed fan of the unabomber. >> do you have a subversive thinker that you think people should look up, look into, know more about that's underrated and would -- would influence people in a good direction? >> subversive thinker that's underrated? >> yeah. >> i'll probably get in trouble for saying this -- i mean, i say

how about like theodore kaczynski? >> theodore kaczynski. blake masters later admitted, quote, probably not great to be talking about the unabomber while campaigning. just to be clear that he knew that when he was talking about theodore kaczynski, he's talking about the unabomber. underrated thinker. people should look into him. people should look into an underrated thinker that would influence people in a good direction. unabomber fan reportedly trump's choice to lead the atf which despite its acronym is responsible not only for alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, but also explosives. sure, why not put the unabomber fan in charge of the federal agency that regulates explosives? we've also had news in the last few days that trump has his choice made for his special

envoy for hostage affairs. incredibly serious job, literally life or death stakes every day and every circumstance in which that envoy works. a sensitive position in the u.s. government. the special envoy for hostage affairs, donald trump has reportedly chosen jared kushner's college roommate. sure, why not? i mean, as long as we're talking about the news intruding on this referee, we've also just had the fall of syria. and the exile of the longtime syrian dictator considered responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians in his country, the torture and unjust incarceration of tens of thousands of people, many in secret prisons. bashar al assad has just been thrown out of office by an uprising in syria. he has fled the country. russia says he's gone to moscow, and maybe he has. but here in the midst of the trump transition, bashar al

assad's highest profile champion and apologist and propagandist in the united states is trump's choice to be the nation's next director of national intelligence. i mean, there's tulsi gabbard today meeting with senators on capitol hill while the news is coming down that the butcher of damascus has fled syria and gone to moscow. and every one of those senators has to be looking tulsi gabbard up and down and thinking if this had happened one year from today, would assad be going into exile here? would his best friend in america, tulsi gabbard, have us taking him in? i mean, maybe under director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard and president donald trump, bashar al assad could split his exile time between here and moscow. all the old hands and sort of gray beards in american news and

politics, particularly people with experience in national security and foreign policy, they will all tell you the same thing about the presidential transition period. they will all tell you that the transition times between one president and the next, those are oftentimes when things go haywire. and this transition is not proving to be a disappointment along those lines. in the blink of an eye we've had the government collapse in germany, the government collapse in france, we have had the imposition of martial law and an attempted overthrow of the government in south korea. we have had the toppling of the assad regime, and potentially a wholesale realignment of all the major powers in the middle east. all while we are in between the end of one presidency and the beginning of another. but don't worry, elon musk's mom is sitting in on the meetings. and jared just got his ex-con dad and his college roommate really cool jobs. and people have almost forgotten

about the child sex trafficking attorney general nomination and the other guy supposedly selling presidential appointments and the rape allegation in the police report about the defense secretary nominee, and the unabomber fan for the explosives job, and the health secretary who says a worm ate part of his brain and then died in there, now asking potential hires into the u.s. government how much they like sex and do they like to show off their bodies. i mean, it is a complicated and dangerous world out there, especially right now. there is nothing about the quality of this presidential transition that should set anyone's mind at ease about how well america is going to be handling these matters. for us, all the more reason for us to try to understand them as best we can. so hold that thought. more ahead. hought more ahead

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started in tunisia, a young

man set himself on fire in the middle of the street as an act of protest against tunisia's dictatorship which had been in power for more than two decades. just a horrific thing and a desperate thing. and somebody recorded it on their cellphone and posted the video on line. then that turned into something. within days, that young man's neighbors were in the streets holding up his picture, chanting i had name, say -- his name, saying they, too, were fed up with the dictatorship, fed up with there being no job prospects, no health care, and all the corruption. and then it grew into big protests. protests of mostly young people that were angry, upset with how bad life is under authoritarian rule. within weeks those protests enveloped the country. the dictatorship responded like dick sherritt continues -- dictatorships do, they cracked down on the protesters, killed protesters. but it just kept going.

and eventually tunisia's authoritarian leader, who had been in power for 4 years, he gave up, fled the country not the protesters won. and it didn't stop there. pro-democracy protests ripped through the middle east in 2011 in bahrain, yemen, sudan, jordan, libya, even saudi arabia. of course in egypt, if you remember stuff from this era, it is probably egypt that you first remember. like in tunisia, protests in egypt started out peacefully. protesters camping out in cairo in tahrir square. they said they were going to refuse to leave until their president stepped down. then like in tunisia, the regime cracked down. tahrir square became a battleground. civilians against their own country's military-grade force, pro-democracy protesters being beaten and killed. it went on for weeks. and ultimately the protests

worked. they toppled a 30-year dictatorship. >> been saying the slogan that has come to symbolize the demands of the people in arabic, it is -- [ speaking in a global language ] which means he must leave or he shall leave. >> the arab spring is one of those indelible times in history that just completely reoriented the world. regimes are ultimately toppled in tunisia and egypt and libya, sudan. did you recognize that guy? recognize that guy there? in 2011 before he became our beloved friend and colleague here at msnbc, amman was a reporter for al jazeera english. throughout the arab spring he reported daly from -- daly from tahrir square. he was blindfolded and handcuffed, left on the floor for hours. he was an essential voice for

the whole world during the arab spring. for many of us in the west, he became our eyes and ears for what was happening halfway around the world. not only seeing it and reporting it but explaining it. during the protests we had him here on this show several times reporting live from cairo. and nbc because they're no dummies, soon they recruited him to come here and work instead for us. and now today as another dictatorship falls, yet another where the protests against him started in 2011 but in syria it took this long for him to fall, what a privilege it is to be able to talk with ayman this time as a colleague about what this means and about how it has all happened. joining us now is ayman mohyeldin, i met him reporting live from egypt in syria and is a beloved colleague. i didn't warn you we were going to do -- >> a lot younger.

a lot lighter. less gray hair. >> no, you're not of those people that gets better and better. >> thank you. >> by the time you're 90 year going to be "people's" sexiest man. >> thank you. >> chronological progression. let me ask you, you recovered the origin of the revolt against assad in 2011. >> yeah. >> why did assad end up leaving 13 years down the road? >> well, he was almost out of power in 2014, 2015. and for a series of mistakes that happened and decisions made by his allies, he was able to thwart the revolution that was coming to his doorstep. in 2014, i think it's important to remind our viewers that these protests, as you mentioned, startsed out peacefully even in syria. they started out peacefully. it was a young student who ripped a picture of bashar al assad in dead eye in 2011 that ultimately led to mass street protests to which he then used force and began a violent crackdown.

but the protests began with defectors of his own army who said we don't want to be part of cracking down on our own citizens. that's what gave birth to the free syrian army at the time. but what really changed the course was that he began to use overwhelming force to kill without any kind of hesitation. and as the militancy of the revolution grew, so did his ability to thwart it until ultimately he was defeated and the russians and iranians and foot soldiers from hezbollah, financiers from iran, his diplomats in the air force of russia, came and said, okay, we have to save this guy. he's about to lose complete power. >> he was about to be pushed out when russia and iran came in, marshaled their forces to prop him up. >> absolutely. they were on the doorsteps of the cities that they took over. homs was considered the birthplace of the revolution. they had gotten to homs, and that was a major red line for the russians. of course, there was the time to

bring america into this, there was the famous red line from president obama that, you know, bashar al assad was going to use chemical weapons. america would get involved. he used chemical weapons, america did not get involved. >> right. >> all of the allies of -- >> obama put it to congress, shall we go and congress was like no, then congress was mad he didn't go even hoe though he -- even though he asked them to vote for it. >> they pushed the revolution back to the northern border with turkey and created the stalemate that we had been living for from 2016 on. >> and i feel like the thing that was so shocking i think to people who haven't been following it closely -- and i know you have -- was to see the resolve and commitment of iran and russia melt away. that when the tide started to turn this year, within the last few weeks, iran evacuated its people even head of damascus falling. nobody exactly knew what russia

was going to do, i think even as recently as last week there was expectation that you might see the russian air force marshal its forces again and level more syrian cities and kill, you know, thousands more syrian civilians. russia pulled its people out, too. to what do you attribute the collapse of his international alliances that as you say had made it possible for him to even be there for the last ten years? >> each of these players has been mired in their own conflict, their own arenas. russia has been bogged down in a war in ukraine for three years be losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers, diplomatically exhausted, financially taxed for that war. hezbollah has been this hay war -- has been in a war for 14 months. it's ben decimated. the command and control structure wiped out. they do not have the foot soldiers to send to syria to fight. and iran right now is serving this landscape of a new middle east in which they have an incoming president of the united states that they're probably weary of. they have lost their foothold in

southern lebanon with hezbollah. the houthis are a little bit not as strong of a resource for them to deploy. their last card to play in the region is iraq. there was talk and some leaders of iraqi militia groups that had said they wanted to go to syria to fight on behalf of bashar al assad. luckily that did not happen. that is a mystery in this equation because it speaks to where the iraqi government is right now. and perhaps realizing there's a shifting orientation in the region, not necessarily to be close to iran, and perhaps say wait a minute, let's not rush to protect bashar al assad just yet. and we're able to keep militias on their side of the border. when you look at the different players, everybody is bogged down into their own kind of internal conflicts. israel is certainly acting with impunity in syria and lebanon, across the region. america has given it a green light. and so we're seeing this redrawing, if you will, of the maps of the middle east but more importantly the breaking of what iran and its allies call the

axis of resistance. >> exactly. to have this axis of resistance russia and iran and others in their -- not only their conventional forces but their proxies, it's one thing to see that alliance and to know the threat that that represents to the western led order. it's another to see a collapse of its own weight. incredibly director. great to have you here. thanks for having me your show this weekend. >> any time. my show is your show. >> vice-versa. we'll be right back. >> vice-versa. we'll be right back. u love, with who you love? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems. serious allergic reactions may occur. get help for swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens or you have a parasitic infection. headache and sore throat may occur. ask your doctor if fasenra is right for you. headache and sore speaker 1: at st. jude, there's one thing that makes us all family-- finding cures, saving children.

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this is a man from flint, michigan, who went to washington on january 6th, 2021. while he was there he physically attacked police officers at the u.s. capitol. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> that michigan man armed with that bat, that weapon that he was using to try to smash police officers in the face and in the head, he was ultimately arrested. he was charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain police officers, inflicting bodily injury. he hurt the police officers he

was attacking. he pled guilty, serving a sentence of more than four years. president-elect donald trump said he want to pardon the people convicted of crimes for the attack to congress on january 6th, 2021. this weekend nbc news' kristen welker asked trump what he specifically intends to do about people like that michigan guy, about people who were convicted specifically of assaulting police officers. kristen welker, quote, 169 of them have pled guilty to assaulting police officers. trump, because they have no choice. welker, but you're going to consider pardoning even those who pled guilty to crimes including assaulting police officers? trump, well, sometimes they say here's your choice. welker, you're not ruling it out? trump, look, i know the system. the system's a very corrupt system. so yeah, apparently even those who attack police officers. in that same interview trump told welker that he's looking ford jailing people who he sees

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jail. in response to those comments from the president-elect, former republican congresswoman liz cheney, who was vice chair of the investigation, released this statement which i think you might have heard she released a statement. it's worth hearing it in full. she said this -- here's the truth, donald trump attempted to overturn the 2020 presidential election and seize power. he mobilized an angel remob and -- angry mob and sent them to the united states capitol where they attacked police officers, invaded the building, and halted the official counting of electoral votes. trump watched on television as police officers were brutally beaten and the capitol was assaulted, refusing for hours to tell the mob to leave. donald trump knows his claims about the select committee are ridiculous and false. there's no conceivably appropriate factual or constitutional basis for what donald trump is suggesting, a justice department investigation of the work of a congressional committee. and any lawyer who attempts to pursue that course would quickly find themselves engaged in sanctionable conduct. joining us is california

democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren, a member of the house january 6th investigation. representative lofgren, a pleasure to have you here. thank you for making the time. >> thanks. glad to be here, rachel. >> let me start by asking your reaction to trump's threats, to trump's claim that he thinks that you and the other members of congress who were part of the investigation should be jailed. >> well, it's absurd. you know, our committee was duly constituted, we worked really hard to do the job we were assigned to do which was to uncover the events leading up to january 6th. we uncovered a wide-ranging plot with trump at the center of that plot to essentially steal the election, to overturn it, culminating in his summoning a mob to washington knowing that they were armed, sending them down to the capitol to stop the proceedings. more than 1,000 of those rioters have pled guilty. they did terrible things to

police officers. they beat them. they sprayed them with chemicals. they tased them. officers lost fingers, lost an eye, were permanently disabled. you know, go to the department of justice case files and read the summary of what these guys did. he would think about pardoning them while trying in violation of the law and constitution to somehow suggest that the legislative committee that did this work that uncovered his unsavory role was somehow in the wrong is ridiculous. go to the -- the government printing office, take a look at the evidence. everything we found is there. read the transcripts. take a look at the emails and the text messages we found. listen to the radio traffic. this was a horrendous event that we uncovered for the american public. and you know, it's protected by

the constitution. article one section six says that the congress -- debate clause, congress cannot be questioned in any other place for our legislative work. so this threat is an empty one and really pretty ridiculous. >> if it is an empty threat and he can't credibly threaten jail time, right, for members of congress for having done -- been part of this investigation, if that's something that he's going to threaten but not going to be able to carry out but he is going to be able to carry out his -- the other side of his threat which is to set free all the people who committed crimes were and convicted of crimes including violence on january 6th, what do you think the effect of that will be on the country? what does that do to us as a democracy, as a country, what does that do to us? >> trump is not a believer in the rule of law. we know that from all of his

activities. and that you would pardon people who committed this violence, who were either convicted or pled guilty of really violent acts, really undercuts the rule of law. i mean, you know, clemency is for people who have earned it, people -- we see people who have mended their ways. right now we've got rioters in court saying that they don't care, you know, trump is going to pardon them anyhow. it's really very destructive suggestion that we would pardon these criminals and try and threaten people who aren't criminals. the january 6th committee members. >> congresswoman zoe lofgren of california. i appreciate your time. i'm implicitly sorry to ask you to come on to respond to these things, but i want your voice to be out there as loud as anyone's in telling the story. thank you for being here. >> it's important that the committee let him know we're not going to be intimidated.

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