thanks for being with us tonight, appreciate you being here. that does it for me for now, lucky for you. if you listen to president- elect donald trump and his republican allies during the campaign, it was clear they were running as the pro-free- speech party. >> i will bring back free-

speech in america because it has been taken away. >> donald trump is the candidate of the first amendment, the candidate of free speech. >> to me, it is a disqualifier to be president of the united states if you don't believe in freedom of speech. >> the other side wants to take away your freedom of speech. you must have free-speech in order to have democracy, that is why it is the first amendment. >> one month after his election victory, here's what the so- called free-speech candidate had to say about the media. >> the media tamed down a little bit, they like us now much better, if they don't, take them on again and we don't want to do that. >> if that was not enough, listen to what trump's pick for cabinet and administration had said about free-speech starting with this guy, kash patel, who trump wants to lead the fbi. >> we will go out and find the conspirators, not just in government but the media, yes.

we will come after the people in the media that lied about american citizens that helped joe biden rig presidential election. we will come after you, criminally or civilly, we will figure that out to >> there is this guy, rfk jr., the trump nominee to lead the health and human services department, upon endorsing kennedy, trump argued it was the democrats, not the republicans, silencing people they disagree with. that same person is indicated if confirmed, he will likely fire 600 employees at the national institutes of health who don't agree with his vision. don't forget, transverse buddy, billionaire elon musk, the owner of x in charge of the so- called department of government efficiency, fancies himself as a free speech absolutist, he said earlier this year in social media on his social media platform, without free- speech, all is lost. guess what, during his tenure as the owner of x, the company suspended the accounts of journalists critical of him or

the public and allies like vice president-elect j.d. vance. despite never been elected by anyone, musk threatening senate republicans with primary challenger backed by him if they don't fall in line and support trump's nominees. trump allies like patel, rfk, and musk gave trump dissidence, fall in line and/or face the consequences all in service of their fearless leader donald trump, a man who is called for the jailing of anyone who desecrate the american flag, someone that threatened to go after the broadcast licenses of outlets over coverage he does not like. someone that according to rolling stone, he is reporting to escalate his war on leakers and the press using media subpoenas, commission seizures, whistleblower prosecutions, and legal threats against news outlets. one conservative lawyer familiar with trump's plans warned, it will be brutal. the idea that trump and his allies are free-speech champions

, that was always absurd to any observer. for them, free speech means that they get to shout the loudest, silencing everyone that disagrees with them. let's bring my panel for the hour, danielle moodie hosted the danielle moodie show in host of the new abnormal podcast, writer and editor for msnbc daily, good to have you with us. danielle, what you make of this abc agreeing to pay $15 million to a future trump foundation and library i believe, or museum for the allegation that george stephanopoulos mislabeled or i should say commit defamed donald trump by misleading the outcome of the e. jean carroll trial? >> this is what looks like to obey in advance. this is what it looks like to signal to all of media, if you don't do right by me, i'm coming after you. you have abc during the cya

campaign, making sure that they are covered, here is $15 million. it might as well be bribe money, hush money. to what foundation? i'm curious, what will be inside this museum, the documents the national archives never got back? what is in here? gold toilets? >> it will never get built. what do you make of this decision by abc? we were speaking our previous hour with barbara mcquade, harry litman, two well-respected lawyers that felt abc, legally speaking, has a very strong case to stand on, the idea of donald trump winning a defamation lawsuit would require the improving george stephanopoulos knew that statement was being false, he was doing so with intention. they were arguing, was almost impossible to prove. >> i agree with them, they are completely right, there's a reason defamation cases are so hard to bring, you have to show

actual malice, show that the people making the statements knew that it was false and willingly doing so to try to defame the person in question. trump would have had a hard time winning this case. the issue is, does not matter if the jury in question granted trump's filing, if they agreed stephanopoulos had defamed him. the process of discovering, getting all the emails out from abc, you remember the dominion lawsuit after the 2020 election with fox news had to turn over so many documents that were straight up embarrassing as to how they handle themselves. abc probably did not want to go through that. they decided to kick this over to a future presidential library foundation which honestly, the fact they get to then say they are giving it to charity, the headlines trying to make that implication is wild. like you said, there is no rhyme or reason, nothing saying this money has to go to

presidential library, has these parameters or whatever. that is free money basically. >> let me add to that, just got handed this note from her colleague, lisa ruben on the abc settlement, she actually addresses this nugget we have been discussing. i will read it here to make sure that i get accurate, the settlement contains missing as of yesterday trump still had not established 501(c)(3) presidential library and museum, reflected from the settlement agreement, abc will pay the $15 million to escrow account maintained by his lawyers and transferred to the appropriate entity only after the trump team confirms the nonprofit has been established and recognized by the irs. it seems like the general concern we have that this money will go somewhere in the ether is also being spelled out, yes, abc is giving the $50 million only to escrow account until that organization, that

501(c)(3) is ultimately created. >> i feel so much better now. >> think about the fact that you have that inauguration committee fundraising and you look back at 2016 and how they raised over $100 million never fully accounted for. it feels good to know there will be real legal entity getting that money but how that money will be spent once it is set up, question marks all up and down the board. >> the message behind it is more important, as you say, the obey in advance, we will get into this later on in the show with the media organizations and elsewhere anticipating incoming administration. to me, put the settlement aside, the sound bite we played were trump kind of says that the media is starting to like us, boy, if they don't like us more, we will have to attack them and we certainly don't

want to do that. >> i fully expect right after donald trump places his hand on that bible and becomes the president of the united states, we are going to see nothing but beautiful headlines of donald trump and all of the wonderful things he has been doing. here we thought 2024 was the year of saying washing everything he says, no, it will be like that times a million. kash patel is not that bad, he has some good ideas, rfk jr., polio was not that terrible, it only killed millions of people. pete hegseth is not that terrible, just the fact he is a white supremacist tattoo on him. allegedly drinks all the time. it is going to be this sane washing, this idea that this man, autocrat, dictator, has billionaires in his pocket and created entire oligarch and taking over our country. you are not going to hear about it or see it, there will be little voices still there but the masses will think that donald trump is a normal president and this is a normal

cabinet because the media has signaled that they are on his side. >> speaking of the oligarchy, i like that word, did you coin that? >> i did not, i wish i did. you were impressed. >> i like that, we could make t- shirts. speaking of the romance between elon musk and donald trump, what you make of him saying if you don't fall in line, he is going to fund primary challengers. we will talk about it later on in the show, the veil of this threat coming out of somebody who is close to trump, not in government with a lot of money, willing to weaponize that money in our politics. >> that i think is normal, unfortunately, that is normal. the fact that elon musk is so willing to be the face of that movement is the one thing that differs him from the koch brothers in 2010, spending their fortune -- >> is more explicit and in line

with trump. i understand people do that with parties, generally more about issues then opposed to being subservient to donald trump. i get a sense that he wants people who are subservient to donald trump. >> absolutely, that is where the gop is right now, the koch brothers were pushing the tea party, the proto-version of the maga movement. even though the koch brothers themselves do not ascribe to the sort of, same sort of mind- set as many of the populace mind-set that the tea party represented, they wanted lower taxes, they wanted lower regulations, they want the same things that elon once. in this post of this united world, if money equals speech, you have the most money in the world, you get the most speech. that is what elon is making explicit in a way that is putting a spotlight on him that could cause backlash, part of why the koch brothers operate in shadows with a network.

elon is out there saying, look at me, i'm the one calling the shots. because of my connections with trump and my fortune that i'm sitting on, i get to be the one calling the shots. >> danielle, stick around after the break. the economic disaster that could be trump's mass deportation plan. especially when they're eggland's best. taste so fresh and amazing. ( ♪♪ ) deliciously superior nutrition, too. for us, it's eggs any style. as long as they're the best. eggland's best. ( ♪♪ ) y'all see this, patrick mahomes is saying goodbye! patrick! patrick! people was tripping. where are you going!? he was actually saying goodbye to his old phone. i'm switching to the amazing new iphone 16 pro at t-mobile! it's the first iphone built for apple intelligence. that's like peanut butter on jelly...on gold.

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trump's key campaign promises, the largest mass deportation in history what end up devastating our economy, which voters say, was one of the key issues that brought them to trump. in its recent report, american immigration counsel found mass deportations would reduce the united states gdp anywhere from 4 to 6 percent or higher which would be exacerbated by a labor shortage with construction and agriculture would lose one in eight workers. 2022, nearly 90% of undocumented migrants or immigrants were of working age compared to 61% of u.s.-born citizens and the cost of this mass deportation, the aic estimates long-term effort removing 1 million migrants per year would cost upwards of 967 billion tax dollars over a decade. danielle and hayes are back with me, conservative numbers of the estimate we are seeing here because it does not include the hiring of thousands new i.c.e. agents and the charter flights

are the processing centers established to get these people to the border and from there on words to their home countries. trump has said that there is no price tag that is too high when it comes to his mass deportation plan. are these costs going to fall on the shoulders of the american people one way or the other? >> yes . >> shocked, danielle. >> there was this person called the vice president of the united states running for office that try to tell america, this is exactly what was going to happen, what we were going to lose was social security, medicaid, all of the social safety nets elon musk and his little does committee will say that these are the things that need to be cut so we can fund, they won't cut the pentagon with inflated budget, they won't -- >> continues to fail audits. >> will not tax the rich the

way they need to to fund this, no, they will take away what little services do exist for y that this is what we are using, cut the department of education, which they said they will do. this was always the plan, always going to fall on the american taxpayer. i don't know why people would turn around now and be shocked, particularly those that are the heads of these manufacturing plants that voted for donald trump and thought not me, lovers face eating. >> there is something very problematic about this and deeply disturbing, one that we want to know the numbers of social security and medicaid, 2022, undocumented immigrants contributed $22 billion to social security and close to $6 billion to medicare, those are programs they cannot even use because of their undocumented status. when you actually think about how sick this is, they are actually paying, they pay taxes, they are paying into the services that american citizens are using and now they are

being deported. >> yeah, absolutely. that is one of the things that is so insidious about this whole set up. the idea that -- >> they are stealing from us, reaping the benefits. >> exactly. the american relationship to the social safety net is completely invert from how it actually is. if you would go out to survey people, people so sure everyone is getting so many benefits, minorities are getting all benefits, undocumented immigrants are getting all the benefits, really it is more white people that benefit the most because they are the largest percentage of the pie. over the decades, you have seen the demonization of the other to try to get people to think that we need to cut the services for people because it is going to the wrong people. that is one of the baseline attributes of the maga movement

and their credo, yeah, you deserve everything good, it is the other people that are keeping you from getting all of the good things that you want. you have the sort of weird situation were so many trump supporters want progressive, socialist almost policies for the government to help them out, give them things, regulate the big businesses taking away from their paychecks. but they don't the wrong people to get those benefits as well, that is where the clash comes. >> there is inhumanity to this and cruelty that i would argue, many would argue is the point of the policy. barack obama deported people from this country, donald trump wants i.c.e. to go into churches and sensitive areas and basically start arresting people and putting them in detention centers before they are deported. the images of what i expect we are going to see in this country of young children, women, elderly, men being arrested whether in hospitals or churches, out at the grocery store and ultimately thrown

into the back of the van to a detention center will rip this country apart. >> there is a part of me that thinks that is what is going to be necessary because america had the opportunity to vote for something different and they decided not to. donald trump did not win by a landslide by any stretch of the imagination. the fact is people did vote for this. what americans have not seen, they have not seen the brutality up close and personal. they have not seen, john was here today, why isn't he here now? kids going into school and they go home, there's no one in their household. we are going to hear these stories and see them, that is what americans need to see because another narrative that we try to create it, democrats try to create another narrative and americans did not want to buy it because as jonathan -- wrote about, dying of whiteness, they would rather cut

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yeah, he said, quote, i don't think so, it is hard to bring things down once they are up, you know, it is very hard. trump followed up by saying that i think energy will help bring them down, i think a better supply chain is going to bring them down. studying words from trump last week who said, quote, won on groceries. danielle and hayes are back with me, in case you did not know, those are called groceries. >> some people call them groceries. i don't know what other people call them but other people call them groceries, maybe others call them food, i don't know. >> that was a wild statement. beautiful word . >> why do you think it he is admitting lowering prices will be hard? why is he now suddenly having this economic epiphany, oh yeah, i realize it is not just with the stroke of a pen, prices, prices come down. >> it is always the other guys fault, that is always the case. the dried irony of the way this whole cycle works is you have seen for decades, a republican presidency tank the economy, a

democrat come in and clean it up. people be tired over how long it is taking to get it up and want feeling fine again, vote out the democrat, bring a republican and tank it again. trump will come into the office saying, it was broken when i got here when it really wasn't. that is how he is going to try to wiggle his way out of this because it is always the other guys fault area there's nothing you can do. he will say, oh yeah, i came in during biden inflation even though inflation has been going down for over a year by the time he takes office. and say that it is all biden's fault. >> a dangerous thing is that his policies could actually increase the cost of the things that we buy in this country, as we just said. if you take undocumented migrants out of this country, there is a very good chance that the cost of agricultural goods that we use in this

country go up because labor costs go up. you impose tariffs on china or other countries, we get a lot of vegetables for mexico, supply from others, canada, energy from canada, the prices of those things go up because trump imposes tariffs on those countries to score cheap points, what do you think happens to the prices of those goods? they will go up for the groceries. >> does the average american understand economics? no, they don't. all donald trump had to say was, i will bring things down, they said, yes, and clap for it, here is my vote. 25% tariffs coming out of china, coming out of canada, everything you just said, you will go to the grocery store, it is not about, will it go up, when it will it go up? it is a matter of when, all of a sudden that avocado that you love so much for your avocado toast is $25 and avocado. when all of a sudden you're going to

check out of the grocery store and the bill from the week prior is going up and up by hundreds of dollars. these are the realities people are going to have to grapple with and he will turn around, to hayes' point, lame democrats. this is the reality, republicans come in and tank everything, democrats stay as the janitors of this country and clean up after the republicans. they are terrible when it comes to the messaging of why they are there cleaning up in the first place area they take these issues that are very simple and they make them incredibly complicated. donald trump is going to make your life harder. elon musk actually said that, america is in for some austerity says the man sitting on 400 billion. >> let me play for you, one of the other things donald trump lied about was to distance himself from project 2025 when it appeared project 2025 was gaining traction among voters

and people were like, wait a minute, what is this, we don't want to vote on project 2025. he wrote on truth social, some parts of it are ridiculous and abysmal, that was back in the day. when asked about it in time magazine this week, quote, they have some things that are very conservative and very good. he went as far as to tell my colleague, kristen welker, lastly, democrats could've done better if they used some elements of project 2025. take a listen. >> frankly, the democrats should've used some of it, with all the transgender they were doing, the men playing in women's sports, if they had not done that, maybe they would've done better. >> your thoughts on that? >> we all knew he was lying when he said there is no merit to project 2025, they sought was polling badly and tried to distance themselves from it. they had to put the statement from the trump campaign, we have our own agenda, agenda 47 is nothing like project 2025, they're the same thing. them mini from pam from the office.

they are the same thing. yet we are supposed to believe project 2025, let's get real, project 2025 is super contradictory, super long, there are things that clash with each other. the parts that will be implemented, the parts that are written by people put into the administration and those parts are what are going to be dangerous and effective like the way -- congress passes the law to spend money but the president can say, don't spend that money and that is fine. that is dangerous, the way the federal funds are distributed to try to choke off things like congress trying to fund. those are the dangerous parts of project 2025, the less flashy ones than the parts about transgender rights and all of that, the less obvious ones and that is what has me worried. >> the idea that politicians do this all the time, they run on

things knowing it will be hard to accomplish or will not encompass them given the nature of our politics. the way that donald trump gas lights us and gas lights the public is what makes it so shocking. >> but it is not, i don't think donald trump really does gaslight. he actually says, these are the things i'm going to do and he does them. i don't understand why people -- >> i will lower gas prices but -- those are lies. >> of course it is, we don't sit around and fact check him as much as we should because the media gets exhausted so we don't fact check him. the idea that all politicians lie, we don't need to follow it. donald trump has said, you know who he is in bed with, musk and teal and all of these people, people to think that donald trump because he said we don't have nothing to do with project 2025 but your vice president wrote the forward. >> the problem is trump says whatever the audience wants to

hear. a lot of times he is saying out right what he wants, i will deport all of these people, believe that. when he says things like going to drill more energy, the way he said, i saw the last hour, trump mentioned back off transgender issues because that is what people want to hear. part of why people so convinced to vote for him, they would hear what he says and choose selectively among things. that thing sounds good, i like that, the rest is he is making that up some of that cognitive dissidents is what makes them so frustrating and aggravating to people like us because we are hearing all of it. >> eyes coming up next, this week's contenders do everything they can to say on donald trump's good side. that is next. it gets a little old. ugh. i really should be retired by now.

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it is time for the worst of the week, the pre-emptive sucking up to donald trump addition. up first meta ceo mark zuckerberg donating one lane dollars to trump's inaugural fund. the donation comes after trump threatened to punish zuckerberg during the election of he did anything to hurt his campaign. message received, bullying works. hours after that news broke, guess who stepped in, amazon announced their own money on dollar gift, founder jeff bezos who used to call trump a threat to democracy is claiming to

visit trump at mar-a-lago next week. here is how he talks about the president-elect now in interviews. >> if we are talking about trump, i think it is very interesting, i'm actually very optimistic this time around. the last eight years i have grown, he has too. >> aw, 78-year-old donald trump has grown so much the last few years. there is more, sam altman with openai is also buying a seat at the table adding another $1 million donation to the trump inoculation, it comes at the end of it triumphantly for medium obsessed time argues seen -- time magazine, touted his comeback of historic proportions. danielle and hayes are still with me. there's a difference between kissing up to someone, you know, and then there is paying

for this type of influence, i assume this is what they're doing, hoping to have, i assume trying to ingratiate themselves to him. i don't know why just bezos is doing what he is doing now. what you think of it? >> the fact is that $1 million to these people is absolutely nothing, that is obscene in and of itself. the fact is, again, this is cya campaign, how people protect themselves and protect their wealth to and protect their influence and assets. they know that donald trump says he will come after them, you pre-emptively do the right thing. he is the president and we must respect the president, don't you understand that? this is their m.o. so it does not matter what jeff bezos said before, donald trump is great and has grown so much. senator collins said the same thing, when he was impeached, donald trump will learn, he will grow, i did not realize adolescence persisted into your near 80s but evidently it does.

>> do you think they're doing this out of fear or access? >> yes. it is fear and access. they don't want to be iced out, when the tariffs hit, make sure that they are exempted, their business. amazon deals with so many imports, so many imports from china. you have meta, they want to make sure they still have access, they aren't going to be frozen out from whatever comes next. the way to do it is through the inaugural slush fund. donald trump does not have a hotel in d.c. anymore, you have to get cash into his hands some white. >> the sad thing is it is not just republicans, tech ceos, it is democrats as well. let me share with you, politico reporting democrats try to establish normal relations with elon musk including john fetterman from pennsylvania who compared him to superhero tony stark.

he joined truth social to declare that trump should be pardoned for his hush money case, the one he was found guilty of all 34 felony counts, ladies and gentlemen, esteemed colleague or democrat, john fetterman from pennsylvania . >> john fetterman has shown who he has time and time again. this is why i think 7 million americans stayed home the last election because they look at the capitulation democrats do, why am i voting for you, how are you different, how is it that donald trump was the most dangerous person to our democracy, this is what we were told and all of a sudden, everyone is mum. i will work with him, let's pardon him, we need a clean slate. that is what representative clyburn said area >> really quick, okay, full resistance in the works, they're trying to bluff. we will take the things you say are populous and show everyone you don't actually want to do them. by leaning in, he has good

ideas, you are giving him the space for the rest of the terrible ideas. >> worst of the week, what if you got? >> can i pick all of them? i will pick zuckerberg. >> interesting. why . >> thing he is done with meta to address politics and turned the spaces into a shell of themselves, this is another example. >> i will give it to bezos, that he is grown over eight years time, i think it is delusional . >> i will go with bezos, also because he owns the washington post, telling the world he threatens democracy, now he is grown, i will go see him and see how things check out. danielle and hayes, thank you. stick around, another bonus round of worst of the week after this break. lete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people—whether you're 18 or 80.

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now for the worst of the week bonus round, the rhetoric and threats to migrants in america and anyone who may have compassion for them is rising pick first in missouri, newly elected republic and state senator named david gregory is proposing a bill that would provide $1000 to anyone who turns in an undocumented migrant. create the missouri illegal aliens certified bounty hunter program. yes, trying to turn his citizens into certified bounty hunters for undocumented immigrants. not to be outdone, trump's pick for the border czar, tom homan in chicago giving his speech for the largest mass deportation in american history and included this threat to chicago mayor brandon johnson. >> if your chicago mayor does not want to help, he can step aside. but if he impedes us, knowingly harbors or conceals an illegal alien, i will prosecute him. >> that was not the only threat

from team maga deportation team, on fox, texas it in a governor patrick said mayors and governors promised to protect citizens from the trump federal goons. >> let me tell you what every blue state governor and mayor should do this, but got buttercup, i don't care if you're male or female, we mean business in texas and tom homan means business and president trump means business. >> okay, buttercup. danielle and hayes are back with me, the new state senator wants to turn american citizens, his constituents into bounty hunters. what could possibly go wrong? >> absolutely nothing. slate patrol is how the police department was started in these united states. what is going to happen is exactly what we have been seeing.

kyle rittenhouse is their hero, now daniel penny, they want violence. that is what this is going to cause for $1000, you can beat up, harm, hurt anyone that does not look like you. because how are you going to find this out? >> how does a citizen walk around, how in the world is this supposed to work that does not end up in ugly, vile, racist confrontations? >> because that is what will be, then witt vigilantism. prominent park of american history, people that want to feel involved, they want to feel big and tough, men especially, going out and being told by people in power, you are deputized to go out and do the things, roundup people and rough up the seditionist and do the things you really want to do to feel big and tough with are backing so you will not be prosecuted. i think that is the big third of

vigilantism in this country, is when people in power say, this is, you are not just vigilantes, your deputies, you're doing this in our name. >> this question goes back to what we are talking about earlier, democrats, maga, mayor eric adams, unlike other democrats that vowed to push against the mass deportation program, against trump to me of eric adams in new york meeting with tom homan, saying that they share, quote, the same goals. what do you think? he has been cozying up to the trump administration, some reporting he may be in need of a pardon. this may be a quick way for him to get one. what do you think is he trying to do? >> he is trying to get free, that is what he is trying to do, ayman . the man is under investigation, he has a jail sentence in his future, everyone around him has either

resigned or they have been indicted. the only way he gets a get out of jail free card is if he makes friends with donald trump. he is going to do anything and everything that he can, he does not care, he will sell new york city out just so that he can get free. that is what his goal is. >> what you think is behind this eric adams pivot? >> i agree, he is trying to get on the trump good side but i don't think it is because tom homan is out there threatening mayors with prosecution, that is not what it is. tom homan is not going to be charge in any prosecutors, he has no power to go after anyone so that is a lot of bluster from him. >> what about buttercup? >> the buttercup guy, the lieutenant governor, i think that is also bluster. what is texas going to do against a blue state? nothing. are you going to take it to federal court? on what grounds? their attempt to bully others and hope that no one will

notice that you have a weak hand is really going to try to push through so many of them, so much of what we are about to see. nothing backing, all paper empty threats. the hope is that the threats are enough for people to realize and think, he is trying to punch me even though he has nothing behind that swing. >> you envision a scenario in which republicans, they may not, they may not be able to prosecute do you see them being vindictive to hold up federal funding to blue states and blue cities that don't comply with them? >> did we not experience that during the first trump regime? >> will more targeted and specific, issue of mass deportation. >> 100%. >> any governor that tries to create sanctuaries, anyone that tries to create safe spaces, which new york has done, california has done and others, they are going to withhold funding. we sought with covid and aid for fema. people died because of that.

donald trump was saying, he did it again in north carolina during a hurricane during his first administration, withholding funds. this is their game, they will threaten, they will fully until people bended knee. >> time to weigh an worst of the week, and coming the public and state senator downey hunter guy, david gregory or border czar tom homan, or texas lieutenant buttercup? >> i go with david gregory because that piece of legislation will do nothing other than cause extreme violence and harm and he will be responsible for that. >> i will say tom homan because he is believing his own supply right now and i'm very curious to see what happens when he runs up against other parts of the federal government who want to take him down a peg. >> i think the uglier one is definitely the state senator,

it is ugly what he is calling for, it could be dangerous and violent. let's hope it does not pass, there's a chance it will pass and become law. tom homan i think is the worst of the week because he is drunk on power, starting to speak like he is drunk on power, he has the president's ear and he is vindictive. danielle, hayes moody, appreciate you guys, the whole hour every saturday. i'm enjoying this. >> are you? >> i don't think you are but i am. i know you have something better to do. thank you guys so much, really appreciate it. thank you for making time for us at home, come back the same time tomorrow night. congresswoman dalia ramirez will join us to discuss trump's deportation plant and the push for president biden to take action. you can listen to every episode of "ayman" as a podcast, scan the qr code . and for ad-free listening for this

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