were down. power was out in the area. we had multiple vehicles that were turned, both in both parking lots, both at safe way and target, in both centers across the street, and we even had a cal fire vehicle that was flipped in the center of the road. so we had a lot of -- it was pretty much chaos at the moment when i arrived here. >> reporter: a lot of chaos. and five people have been injured, one critically with a punk toured lung. one person has died in omaha, nebraska, near omaha, nebraska, after her car was involved in some icy conditions, slid off the road and hit another car head on. alex. >> oh, my goodness. all this news. thank you, dana. stay safe. that's going to do it for me on this edition of "alex witt reports." "prime weekend" is next.

just days before donald trump's nominee to lead the department of health and human services. robert f. kennedy jr. heads to capitol hill to kick start his confirmation process. brand-new reporting shows one of his aides has been wagging war against one of the miracles of modern medicine. the polio vaccine. the lawyer helping rfk jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine. that campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, aaron seary, is wagging against vaccines of all kinds. in fact, aaron seary is a critical player in the anti-vax movement or what rfk calls the

medical freedom movement. "new york times" adds seary is representing a group in, quote, petitioning the fda to pause distribution of 13 other vaccines including combination products that cover tetanus, diptheria, polio, and patitis a until they reveal the information about aluminum. before we go any further, we should be crystal clear in stating the established facts and science. seary is fighting to revoke use of vaccines that save lives, that's it. full stop. on the polio vaccine, the cdc says that just since 1988, quote, an estimated 20 million people who would have been paralyzed by the disease are walking and more than 1.5 million lives have been saved. prior to the vaccine the world health organization says that half a million people were killed or paralyzed by polio

every single year. but since we're doing this, the second trump administration, for them, those facts, that history, that established science around vaccines appears to be going by the way side already. "new york times" reporting this, quote, kennedy has privately expressed interest in having seary serve in the health and human services department in the top legal job as the general counsel. katie miller, a spokeswoman for kennedy, said mr. iri has been advising mr. kennedy. should rfk be confirmed by the united states senate, all signs point be to an hhs that is a dramatic departure from every previous administration, be it republican or democratic. an op ed in the wall street journal points out the contradiction in a republican president appointing someone like rfk saying this, quote, prior to kennedy's endorsement of donald trump, the gop

universe was clear eyed about the radical environmentalist who spent decades on a mission to destroy the trump base. an online search finds pages of stories of kennedy's efforts to cripple farmers, ranchers, loggers and oil workers. others outline his disdain for markets, core freedoms and limited government. "the wall street journal" op ed goes on to urge that republican senators, quote, save the president, as if that's their job now, as if the dynamic in the republican party during the entire trump era of politics hasn't been complete sub s erviance to trump and the truth is trump appears to like rfk and share his thoughts about vaccines. he told "time magazine" he could get rid of certain vaccines saying this, quote, if i think it's dangerous, if i think they

are not beneficial. you should know, all vaccines administered in the united states go through an extensive approval process with multiple rounds of trials. trump adding this, quote, the autism rate is at a level that nobody ever believed possible. if you look at things that are happening, there's something causing it. peddling amplifying platforming a now widely debunked conspiracy theory linking vaccines to autism. it's simply not true. but what rfk and the company he keeps says about the future of public health in this country is perhaps the biggest storm heading our way, and it's where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. critical care physician, professor of pediatrics and pediatric disaster response expert dr. michael anderson is back. with me at the table, nbc news

correspondent vaughn hilliard. elise yeah menendez and host of politics nation right here on msnbc, dr. reverend al sharpton is here. dr. anderson, what is polio? >> it's a viral disease that causes massive paralysis. by paralysis, not only your extremities, your ability to breathe. how many people dune had polio? my grandmother, god rest her soul, had polio. we have eradicated this disease from the united states and from most of the world. it is a devastating, life taking, life threatening disease. i love that cdc information that shows how many lives have been saved by this safe, very effective vaccine. also in "the new york times" i think yesterday was almost a primmer for physicians reminding them of these vaccine preventible diseases, how deadly they are, and how horrible it would be, specifically for kids

but really for everybody, if these diseases came back. so polio is one example of a horrible disease that we have eradicated because of vaccines. >> and does the vaccine need to go away? we should be clear, they're petitioning to get rid of it, but it seems that simply not adherence to a vaccine schedule could expose some kids to risk. can you talk about what the vaccine protocol is like and what the risks are if it isn't adhered to. >> the risks are very, very high. look when we have measles outbreaks, communities have marked decrease in the mmr vaccine and we have an outbreak of measles. when we have large numbers of kids not vaccinated, there's a very high probability that, yes, indeed, polio will come back and potentially spread. it's almost just insane that we're having debates about safe,

effective therapies that eradicated life threatening diseases at a time when we really need to protect our kids. it's a very, very safe vaccine. as i say, just one example of vaccines that save lives. >> this individual, dr. aaron siri, did some podcasts, as just about all of the trump picks have done. let me play a little bit of that for you. >> so much to talk about, but really i just want to look forward. i want to look at the cases that we have going right now. because we could sit here and do, you know, happy dances over all that's been achieved, but it's not over. let me ask you this question just to start out with. i think a lot of people are going, well, it looks like, you know, the government, you know, bobby kennedy's taking the government, why are legal cases going to be even important? >> oh, absolutely. well, to the extent that robert f. concern did i jr. is able to

really rein in these federal health authorities, and we're talking within hhs you've got 85,000 employees, $1.7 trillion department, 13 operating divisions, cdc, fda, numerous offices of the secretariat. it's a sprawling massive behemoth, and i think if anybody can do it, i hope that mr. kennedy, we hope to soon call him secretary kennedy. >> for the plan to take over the cdc and the fda was the plan all along, trump has gone along with it and amplified some of that debunked conspiracy theories tying vaccines to autism. what's happening right now in the medical community? are physicians being retrained in how to spot cases of polio and measles if this goes into place quickly? >> i'm sure we will get to that point. once again, that "new york times" article was almost a slap

in the face, i have to remember what measles look like. i have to remember how to diagnose polio? these diseases have been eradicated. one other side bar. i have wonderful pediatric physicians that work at the fda, work at nih and cdc, they wake up every morning trying to make this a safer world for children, and it is offensive to think that some sort of massive cuts are going to make kids healthier again. we have so many flams have improved children's lives, including vaccines, that we need to keep moving forward and address a number of different health care issues. >> vaughn, let me play some of your interview with rfk on these issues. >> you have been a crusader on questioning vaccines. are there specific vaccines that you would seek to take off the market? >> oh, i'm not going to -- i'm not going to take away anybody's vaccines. i've never been an anti-vaccine --

>> you will not take any vaccine that is currently on the market? >> i'm not -- if somebody -- if vaccines are working for somebody, i'm not going to take them away. people ought to have choice and that choice ought to be informed by the best information. so i'm going to make sure the scientific safety studies and he have if i ka sis are out there and people can make individual assessments about whether that product is going to be good for them. >> i mean, mr. siri has turned that into a lie. mr. siri is petitioning the government to take the polio vaccine off the market, so are mr. siri and plr mr. kennedy cl? >> yes. this is where i think the confirmation process comes into play. robert f. kennedy jr. before he can take over the fda and cdc must get confirmed. it's not just democrats who are concerned about his position on vaccines. republicans too still by and large in the united states, people trust vaccines and in order to get confirmed, he needs the support of u.s. senators.

at the same time, what i think is so interesting about robert f. kennedy jr. as a political figure and a soon to be government official, it contrasts to other nominees of donald trump is that he is somebody who is not ship shaped and molded himself over the years. he for decades has been fighting vaccines and been openly discussing writing books questioning the science that has been peer reviewed consistently time and again that has said vaccines on the market today are safe. and that is where donald trump's deference to robert f. kennedy jr. is also unique. donald trump claims to really be the smartest guy on most subject matters, and if you listen to his interview with kristin welker, he reiterated to "time," he was going to listen to bobby kennedy and bobby kennedy would come to him to what should

happen to vaccines on the market. that is what's so interesting about bobby kennedy. he's been so staunchly against vaccines. there is little reason to believe donald trump would not take his advice. >> eliseia, we have little kids, sort of regular -- >> you have littlest. you have the littlest ones under 5 which has to be particularly scary. >> the thing about vaccines, you don't have to eliminate them to endanger kids, right? you have to cast enough doubts that you forget the 6-month booster, the 1-year booster. our kids are going to know kids that die. that's the reality. >> i am as alarmed as dr. anderson. one thing i've learned in the process of getting ready to talk about this story is that very often polio is asymptomatic. you don't know that someone has it until either they have been paralyzed or they spread it to someone else who is paralyzed.

that is part of the danger of this highly infectious disease. to vaughn's point about the role republicans in the u.s. senate will now play, it's not enough to broadly ask rfk jr. about his positions on vaccines because just like we saw in that interview with you, vaughn, he is now bobbing and weaving. he needs to be asked about the fact that he founded, drew a salary from an organization that is validly anti-vaccines. he needs to be asked about his association with someone like this attorney who let me underline a few of those things you said in that script. they are sitting down and doing the vetting of other health officials who would come into health and human services if he were to be appointed health and human secretary. one of the questions is what do you think about vaccines? they are using that as a filter as they build their workforce. there's the reality that if rfk jr. were to take over hhs, he would have -- fda would come under his purview. all those petitions you

referenced from siri, who do they go to? they go to the fda. one of the questions that i would ask if i were a u.s. senator, republican or democrat, is if you are in charge of hhs, are you going to commit to not intervening in these petitions to the fda over these vaccines? >> well, they seem to be making abundantly clear that the answer to that question is no. >> correct. but i believe they have to be on the record and they have to be pressed on it and they have to be pressed on it in a way that says exactly what you underscored, right, which is there are these vaccinations, there's the fact that they're trying to put this pause in place, but there's also this question of i think what they are trying to do is say, if you want it, you can get it. that is not how vaccinations work. >> right. >> they need to really get at that piece. >> if they outlaw or if they cut down on the distribution of vaccines, by definition you can't get it if you want it.

for him to say during his interview, which i thought you handled well, that if people -- if it's working for them, they can keep getting it. how do you keep getting something that they're asking the fda to bar it? i mean, it's imbicilic to even suggest that. i think the decades of record of robert kennedy in this area, and in other areas, i remember in the height of covid when we had many black churches, including my organization, taking care of getting people tested and covid shots, they literally marched on black churches in harlem saying, stop distributing these kinds of medical attentions and these kinds of vaccines to people in our communities. so no one has a confusion at all about robert kennedy, where he stands here. if you going to take a stand, many of us have that are controversial, stand by it, but you can't have it both ways. up next, we'll turn to donald trump's plan for day one

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and i think this -- this issue of using the military to go after american citizens is one of those things i think is a very, very bad thing, even to say it for political purposes to get elected. i think it's a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it. >> we're crossing that line. looks like we're actually doing it. it is the nightmare scenario, one in which the honorable men and women of the military of our armed forces at the direction of their commander in chief start

doing this, what trump has threatend to do, start going door to door, seeking out the so-called trump described, quote, enemy within, training their sights on the very people they swore to protect. perhaps more likely though is a scenario in which donald trump uses a combination, a mish-mash, of any number of his powers. the insurrection act, the alien enemies act to deploy the military to round up noncitizens, or at least folks he believes to be noncitizens. is that really so much more acceptable or permissible? beyond questions of practicality associated with the military becoming a domestic policing force on american soil, i think the fact that they're not trained to do that. there are questions of principle, ones laid out by general randy menner this week on capitol hill. >> involving military in a politically charged issue like mass deportation would erode public trust in the military.

americans trust our military because it protects all of us regardless of our politics from the possibility of foreign aggression. when the military is tasked with carrying out domestic policies that may be controversial to some, it undermines the foundation of that trust. that, in turn, will increase risks in morale, recruitment, retention and readiness. all of these impacts carry serious consequences for our national security. gentlemen, for these reasons, and ladies, for these reasons i strongly encourage any future presidential administration to keep immigration enforcement and our military separate. >> joining our conversation is retired major general for the national guard randy manner. general, thank you so much for being here. trump has indicated that this is very much on the table and going to happen. your thoughts on what that will look like and feel like for the

men and women of the military? >> well, as i said at the senate judiciary hearing on tuesday morning, this is really going to have a negative impact on our national security relative to the readiness of both our regular military units if they were to be used as well as the national guard. those people who have not served in the military may not understand that the national guard only has 39 total days per year to train for their combat missions and then secondarily, and equally as important, of course, is to respond to homeland emergencies, such as hurricane relief, forest fires, earthquakes, so on. so 39 days to do all of that. anything you take away from that will absolutely degrade the readiness of our national security. >> in the first trump presidency there were men like general john

kelly and secretary mattis around trump and his most aggressive immigration policy posts. folks like stephen miller who pushed back. it's clear trump plans to assemble a very different cast of people. wherein side the military would any resistance, either from a readiness standpoint or a moral standpoint or cultural standpoint come from? >> chairman of the joint chiefs is the adviser to the president on all matters of national security from the military perspective, so it would fall back to him to provide that advice and counsel. the president is the commander in chief of the military, so in the end, the president can make whatever call that he desires within the limits of law. unfortunately, we've already seen the supreme court say there are fewer guardrails on the office of the president than

existed years and years past. so this is something where there is a chain of command and the principle person that would receive those directions and have, quite frankly very pointed conversations, would be the chairman of the joint chiefs. >> former chairman of the joint chiefs, mark milli, did something extraordinary in the first trump presidency. after being in lafayette square with president donald trump, he made a video apologizing for being dragged in and being seen at that event. can you help us understand why it is such a line for the men and women of the military to cross? general kelly spoke about it as well in an interview a few days ahead of the november election, why it is such a big deal and why it is so important to keep the men and women of the military out of domestic operations. >> again, people from every state, every community, every

city, every town, every rural area have to understand that the united states military represents all of us. they come from all 50 states, the other territories and the district of columbia. they come from liberal families. they come from conservative families. they come -- they're male and they're female. they come in all religions. they come from different parts of the country and they come together in many cases not even having met people that are different from them in terms of where they may have been raised in their hometown or their city or their neighborhood. when they come together, and this is very, very important, the military takes them and replaces some -- some of those ideas that they might have had that might have been biases for or against different people or peoples or ethnic groups or races and instead replaces them with concepts of honor and respect of others. and this is something that is fundamental to the military.

the military supports all of us, not one particular political party or political viewpoint. the dilemma is that if, indeed, the military or national guard or military is used for domestic operations other than disaster recovery or for assisting on the border, quite frankly for security at the border, that is a legitimate operation, other than those kinds of things, it could obviously divide not only the military among those people who would support actively and privately, private -- when i say actively, i mean individually not in communicating, was prohibited for communicating anything while on active duty, in the reserve or the guard, the idea is it would divide those between those who think it is a great idea and those who don't let alone those in the community who may feel likewise. when we come back, there is news today about the findings of

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terrorism activity. the rest decided to attend the riot on their own. and no fbi inform ants were authorized by the bureau to enter the capitol. that corroborated christopher wray's past testimony. >> can you confirm that the fbi had that sort of engagements with your own agents embedded went into the crowd on january 6th. >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources and/or agents, the answer is emphatically no. >> you're saying no? >> no. not violence orchestrated by fbi sources or agents. >> turning our conversation, democratic congressman dan goldman of new york sitting on the oversight and accountability committee. i started the show yesterday saying that i wish chris wray would stick around.

when i watch that clip, that's why i think if he could be there as long as humanly possible to knock down the nonsense, it would certainly aid the men and women of the fbi. your thoughts on that news first? >> i agree with you. i understand why chris wray who is a dedicated nonpartisan law enforcement official and has led the fbi exactly that way would think that he -- his political future, his future as a director is a political football and is a distraction. i understand why from his vantage point, i spent ten years in the doj, he thinks that this is not good for the fbi. the problem is, we're in donald trump world. it's a different world. we saw that with bob mueller who did the same thing and then got completely politically, you know, secured by bill barr. and so what we need now, even for those who believe in our rule of law, believe in nonpartisanship, we need people

to hold the guardrails of the rule of law, and that's why i'm disappointed that he resigned, is that he is somebody who would uphold the finest traditions of the fbi and the rule of law in the face of donald trump, and if donald trump wants to fire him, given that he hired him and already fired another fbi director, then make him do that because then it is clear that donald trump is trying to sabotage the rule of law. by doing this now, he is allowing donald trump the runway to execute his worst instincts, and kash patel is the worst instinct of donald trump. >> say more. >> well, kash patel's only qualification for this job is retribution and revenge. and so you see these interviews where donald trump is asked, are you going to direct your doj, your attorney general or your fbi director to do this or do that. he says, no, i'm not going to

direct them. he already has. and he's chosen people who know exactly what he wants and he's chosen people who have repeated publicly that retribution and revenge. kash patel goes in there with very openly supporting retribution and revenge and weaponizing the fbi. and the one thing i will say about that is it's dangerous, just to politicize and use it as a weapon, but it will undermine the entire criminal justice system, not just those cases but every other case will now be considered in the realm of is this political? is it not? is this to help donald trump's friends? is this to hurt his enemies? that undermines the fabric of our system of law, and that is really what is so dangerous. >> you know, as you're talking i'm thinking, democrats, republicans, people who work for republicans in the fbi, trump fires those republicans. what mueller and comey and wray

have in common is they're all republicans who worked for republicans. i don't know who they all voted for, but they're all associated with republican politics. the rampage trump has been on for nine years starting with the recusal, i guess, of jeff sessions from the russia investigation or the russia question has been all about wanting loyalty. so i wonder to what degree you think there's a public appetite to understanding what a real assault on the rule of law in this country looks like after trump has so normalized it. >> i think theis at's a huge problem, and it's clear as i and others tried to make this point before the election, that the american people felt like that threat was too remote or more remote than the issues that are affecting them day to day. and i understand that. but we are now seeing the beginning of the implementation of project 2025, of donald trump's political weaponization

of the entire federal government, and it really started after january 6th, right? i mean, that's -- yes, he undermined the russia investigation as he wanted, but it is now so personal for him that he is so upset that mar-a-lago was searched. a judge signed off on that search warrant based on probable cause. this was not chris wray going rogue, this was a judge -- >> the opposite, yeah. >> no, of course. for him to, you know, make these accusations that it's unjustified, no cause, no probable cause, it's bogus, but it's all what he's trying to do to undermine these institutions of accountability. that's why he wants to go after journalists in the media. that's why he wants to go after law enforcement. that's why he wants to go after our intelligence and make sure that that can be used for his political benefit. that's why he's undermining our allies and sizing up to or sucking up to dictators is this

is all about ways that he can undermine accountability, which is an early step, i'm not sure it's the first step, of authoritarian 101 because if we don't have a rule of law, if we don't have a system that people can depend on and trust and has credibility, then the ruler is able to do whatever he wants and use whatever propaganda to make it seem like what he's doing is better than what our system of government would otherwise offer. >> i mean, trump was reluctantly held to account by a reluctant merrick garland. he at least outwardly facing seemed reluctant to open up any of the cases that ensnared michael cohen or look at volume two of the mueller investigation. those were dead for bill barr. they were dead when merrick garland got in. the it takes the appointment of

jack smith to accelerate what was going. to your point, trump ran on his freedom. he ran on evading a rule of law that anyone else in this country would be with. he went in and -- >> roger stone. >> roger stone. what is the tool available to us as a country to make the rule of law a nonpartisan issue, to make not just his half the country care about the rule of law again? >> well, that's our challenge. and part of it is that we have to recognize that we are in m a different era where the traditional department of justice philosophy, we don't comment, we don't speak but for -- through indictments and through court filings. i think we need to have much more aggressive officials who will respond in the public sphere because donald trump owns the public sphere and he owns

the microphone and if you don't have those people trying to hold him accountable, and that is in part the media as well, and i know you do it very well, nicole, but it's a difficult situation, but if you don't have people who are pointing out everything that is wrong about what he's doing and the dangers in the media, in our institutions of accountability, then he will continue to get away with this. and so i think we have to change our frame of reference, even those of us who believe in nonpartisan apolitical rule of law. if you are responding to lies of donald trump to complete misinformation, that is not partisan. >> right. >> that is just factual. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ woah, limu! we're in a parade. everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. customize and sa—

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outside of the three ingredients of the blt, donald trump made promises, you heard him right there, that he'd bring the price of groceries down. as you saw, he made the promise at the new york stock exchange, ironic that he did so in front of his "time magazine" cover, because contained in those pages is a startling admission, quote, already the president-elect is moving the goalposts on some of his pledges, like lowering the price of groceries. it's hard to bring things down once they're up. trump says, quote, you know, it's very hard, end quote. joining our conversation, u.s. special correspondent for bbc studios, caddy kay. this is this thing that everybody has said for five weeks. you know, the price of eggs. i believe and i understand that economic rage is the sentiment of the american voter, economic despair, but trump tapped into

it without having to solve it and now is admitting he won't solve it at all. >> reporter: he tapped into it because it's out there and he won't solve it because he can't solve it. the ask all the other world leaders and political parties that have been swept out of office in elections around the world this year because of the price of eggs. who knew people ate so many eggs, but that sentiment is not just here in the united states, it's everywhere. inflation has been everywhere since covid. it is the supply chain shock. it's actually come down a little bit more. it was worse in europe. it's come down a little bit more in europe because perhaps less money was pumped into the system in europe than was pumped into the united states. no, inflation has come down. that's not the same as prices, and that was the riddle for the harris administration and for the democrats. they kept going out there and saying, inflation has come down. they were right, but that didn't mean the prices have come down and people still remember what their grocery bills in supermarkets used to be, and

they're not that now. added to this problem is actually the fact that under a trump administration, if he's to do some of the things he's proposing to do, we're going to talk about those, then it's actually possible inflation goes back up again rather than coming down further. >> katty, we're talking about tariffs as well. let me play that for you. here he is with kristin welker. >> reporter: you are now proposing tariffs against the united states' three biggest trading partners. economists of all stripes say that ultimately consumers pay the price of tariffs. >> yeah. >> reporter: can you guarantee american families won't pay more? >> i can't guarantee anything. i can't guarantee tomorrow, but i can say that if you look at my just pre-covid, we had the greatest economy in the history of our country, and i had a lot of tariffs on a lot of different countries, but in particular china. i think tariffs are the most beautiful word. i think they're beautiful. it's going to make us rich. >> katty. >> the problem with

protectionism, two can play the game, right? america can impose tariffs on canada and mexico and china and a whole host of other countries, and donald trump at one point has suggested that there's going to be blanket 10% tariffs across countries -- imports from every country in the world, higher from china even, but then those countries retaliate. they don't like having tariffs imposed on their goods and the only weapon they have at their disposal is to impose tariffs on american goods. not only do imports into the united states become more expensive, american exports become more expensive. levis, coke, beef, cars, things that america builds are more expensive to sell abroad and that makes it harder for people to sell them abroad which makes people poorer in this country at the same time that the imports that they may depend on are getting more expensive. america at the moment is a net importer of food for many, many years.

most of its history america has been a net exporter. at the moment america is a net importer of food. having tariffs on a country like mexico is really going to hurt grocery bills. >> say good-bye to your last bowl of guac. hours after the latest truth social post, mexico's president responded, quote, for every tariff there will be a response in kind. just as a reminder, 2/3 of vegetables and half of fruit and nut imports to the united states come from mexico and how many avocados, molly? 90%. >> so this is a real problem for trump's whole, i'm going to bring prices down thesis, right? because deportation makes labor more expensive, makes prices for farming, you know, for things that are farmed in america more expensive, an then tariffs, if they enact -- if they ignite a trade war, which is certainly what the president is saying

there, will make everything more expensive too. again, he had -- you know, he did -- he did enact some tariffs that did well and that the biden world actually kept going, but then he had some that really did crush farmers, remember that? he had to pay them -- he had to give them, right, tax incentives. so i do think tariffs are really dangerous. also, i think trump is, remember, on some level he wants to please people and he cares so much -- i mean, again, he doesn't want to please that many people, but he cares a lot about the dow and so if he starts doing things that are really inflationary and starts driving the dow down, that is going to be a sort of interesting moment for his presidency. this has been "primetime week end." i'm nicole wallace. please tune in to "deadline white house" and all of our primetime shows weekends on msnbc. cool drops? it's sore throat relief with a rush of vicks vapors.

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