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services, robert f. kennedy jr. heads to capitol hill to kickstart his confirmation process. brand-new reporting reveals that one of his aides has been waging war against one of the miracles of modern medicine, the polio vaccine. "new york times" is reporting this today. "the lawyer helping rfk jr. pick federal health officials for the incoming trump administration has petitioned the government to revoke its approval of the polio vaccine." that campaign is just one front in the war that the lawyer, aaron siri, is waging against vaccines of all kinds. in fact, aaron siri is a critical player in the antivax movement or what rfk calls the medical freedom movement. "the new york times" adds siri is representing a group "petitioning the fda to pause distribution of 13 other vaccines, including combination products that cover tetanus,

diptheria, polio, and hepatitis a until their makers disclose details about aluminum, an ingredient researchers associated with a small increase in asthma cases." before we go any further, we should be crystal clear in stating the established facts and science. siri is fighting to revoke use of vaccines that save lives. that's it, full stop. on the polio vaccine the cdc says just since 2019 an estimated 20 million people who would have been paralyzed by the disease are working and more than 1.5 million lives have been saved. prior to the vaccine the world health organization said a half million people were killed or paralyzed by polio every single year, but since we're doing this, the second trump administration for them those facts, that history that established science around vaccines, appears to be going

by the wayside already. "new york times" is reporting this, "kennedy has privately expressed interest in having siri serve in the health and human services department in the top legal job as general counsel." katie miller, spokeswoman for kennedy, said mr. siri has been advising kennedy. should rfk be confirmed by the united states senate? all signs point to an hhs that is a dramatic departure from every previous administration, be it republican or democratic. an op ed in the "wall street journal" points out the contradiction in a republican president appointing someone like rfk saying this, "prior to kennedy's endorsement of donald trump the gop universe was clear-eyed about the radical environmentalist who spent decades on a mission to destroy the trump base." an online search finds pages of stories of kennedy's efforts to

cripple farmers, ranchers, loggers, and oil workers. others outline his disdain for markets, core freedoms, and limited government. the "wall street journal" op ed goes on to urge that republican senators "save the president" as if that's their job now, as if the dynamic in the republican party during the entire trump era of politics hasn't been complete subservience to donald trump and the truth is trump appears to like rfk and share his skepticism about vaccines. while he defended the polio vaccine in an interview with our colleague kristen welker, he told "time magazine" he could get rid of certain vaccines saying this. "if i think it's dangerous, if i think they are not beneficial." you should note all vaccines administered in the united states go through an extensive approval process with multiple

rounds of trials. trump writing this, "the autism rate is at a level nobody ever believed possible. if you look at things that are happening, there's something causing it," peddling, amplifying platforming a new widely debunked conspiracy theory linking vaccines to autism. it's simply not true, but what rfk and the company he keeps says about the future of public health in this country is perhaps the biggest storm heading our way and it's where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. critical care physician, professor of pediatrics, and pediatric disaster response expert dr. michael anderson is back with me at the table. nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, alicia menendez is back and president of the national action network host of "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton is here. dr. anderson, just start by

telling us what polio is and how and when it was eradicated. >> it's a viral disease that causes massive paralysis, not only your extremities, but your ability to breathe. i start off these conversations by saying how many people do you know that had polio? my grandmother, god rest her soul, had polio. we have eradicated this disease from the united states and most of the world. it is a devastating life taking, life threatening disease and i love that cdc information that shows how many lives have been saved by this safe, very effective vaccine. also in the "new york times" i think yesterday was almost a primer for physicians reminding them of these vaccine preventible diseases, how deadly they are, and how horrible it would be specifically for kids, but really for everybody if these diseases came back. so polio is one example of a horrible disease that we have eradicated because of vaccines. >> does the vaccine need to go away?

we should be clear. they're petitioning to get rid of it. it seems that simply nonadherence to a vaccine schedule could expose some kids to risk. can you talk about what the vaccine protocol is like and what the risks are if it isn't adhered to? >> the risks are very, very high. you look when we have measles outbreaks where communities some reason have marked decrease in the mmr vaccine uptake and you get an outbreak of measles. so if we have large numbers of kids that aren't vaccinated, there is a very high probability that yes, indeed, polio will come back and potentially spread. it's almost just insane that we're having debates about safe, effective therapies that have eradicated life threatening diseases at a time when we really need to protect our kids and it's a very, very safe vaccine. as i say, just one example of vaccines that save lives.

>> this individual, dr. aaron, doctor, aaron siri, did some podcasts. let me play a little for you. >> so much to talk about, but i want to look forward at the cases we have going right now because we could sit here and do, you know, happy dances over all that's been achieved, about the it's not over. let me ask you this to start. i think a lot of people are going well, it looks like the government, bobby kennedy has taken the government. why are legal cases going to even be important? why not just say we did it, it's over? >> absolutely. to the extent robert f. kennedy jr. is able to really rein in these federal health authorities and we're talking within hhs you've got 85,000 employees, $1.7 trillion department, 13 operating divisions, cdc being one of them, fda being another, numerous offices of the

secretariat, it's a sprawling, massive behemoth and i think if anybody could do it, i hope that mr. kennedy, we hope to soon call him secretary kennedy. >> the plan to take over this the cdc and the fda was the plan all along. trump has gone along with it and amplified some of that debunked conspiracy theories tying vaccines to autism. what's happening right now in the medical community? are physicians being retrained in how to spot cases of polio and measles if this goes into place quickly? >> i'm sure we will get to that pint. once again, that "new york times" article was almost the slap in the face. i have to remember what measles look like? i have to remember how to diagnosis polio? these diseases have been eradicated. i have wonderful pediatric

friends and colleagues that work at the fda, that work at nih, that work at cdc and they wake up each and every morning trying to make this a safer world for children and it is offensive to think that some sort of massive cuts are going to make kids healthier again. we have so many programs that have improved children's lives, including vaccines that we need to keep moving forward and address a number of different healthcare issues. >> let me play some of your interview, vaughn, with rfk on these issues. >> you have been a crusader on questioning vaccines. are there specific vaccines you would seek to take off the market? >> i'm not going to take away anybody's vaccines. i've never been antivaccine. >> you will not take any vaccine that is currently on the market? >> if vaccines are working for somebody, i'm not going to take them away. people ought to have a choice and that choice ought to be informed by the best

information. so i'm going to make sure the scientific safety studies and efficacies are out there and people can make individual assessments about whether that product is going to be good for them. >> mr. siri has turned that into a lie. mr. siri is petitioning the government to take the polio vaccine off the market. so are mr. siri and mr. kennedy close? >> yes. but i think that this is where i think with the confirmation process comes into play. robert f. kennedy jr., before he can take over the fda and cdc must get confirmed and it's not just democrats concerned about his position on vaccines. republicans, too, still by and large in the united states people trust vaccines. in order to get confirmed, he needs the support of u.s. senators. at the same time what i think is so interesting about robert f. kennedy jr. as a political figure and soon to be government official, in contrast to other nominees of donald trump is that he is

somebody who has not shaped and molded himself over the years. he for decades has been fighting vaccines and been openly discussing, writing books, questioning the science that has been peer reviewed consistently time and again that has said vaccines on the market today are safe and that is where donald trump's deference to robert f. kennedy jr. is also unique. donald trump claims to really be the smartest guy on most subject matters and if you listened to his interview with kristen welker over the weekend, he reiterated this to "time," to listen to bobby kennedy and then bobby kennedy would then come to him with what he thinks should happen to vaccines on the market. i think that's what's so interesting about bobby kennedy, he's been so staunchly against vaccines historically and once you were to get him in that government position i think there's little reason to believe that donald trump would not take his advice, using his

own words. >> alicia, we have little kids of the sort of regular vaccine -- >> you have the ones who are still under 5 which has got to be particularly scary. >> i mean the thing about vaccines is you don't have to eliminate them to endanger kids, right? you just have to cast enough doubt that maybe you missed the four month or you forget the six-month booster, you forget the one-year booster. our goods are -- our kids are going to know kids that die. that's the atrocity. >> very often polio is asymptomatic. you don't know that someone has it until either they have been paralyzed or they spread it to someone else who is then paralyzed. that is part of the danger of this highly infectious disease and to vaughn's point about the role that republicans in the u.s. senate will now play is it's not enough to broadly ask rfk jr. about his positions on vaccines because just like we saw in that interview with you,

vaughn, he is now bobbing and weaving. he needs to be asked about the fact that he founded, drew a salary from an organization that is antivaccines. they are now sitting down vetting other health officials who would come into health and human services if he were to be appointed sex and one of the questions they are asking them is what do you think about vaccines, right? they are using that as a filter as they build their workforce. there's also the reality that if rfk jr. were to take over hhs, he also would have -- fda would come under his purview. all those petitions you referenced from siri, who do those petitions go to? they go to the fda. one of the questions i would ask if i were a u.s. republican or democrat, if you are in

charge of hhs, are you going to commit to not intervening in these petitions to the fda over these vaccines? >> well, they seem to be making it abundantly clear the answer to that question is no. >> correct, but i believe they have to be on the record and they have to be pressed on it and they have to be pressed on it in a way that says exactly what you underscored, right, which is there are these vaccinations. there's the fact they are trying to put this pause in place, but there's also this question of i think what they are trying to do is say if you want it, you can get it. that is not how vaccinations work. they need to really get at that piece. >> if they outlaw or cut down on the distribution of vaccines, by definition you can't get it if you want it. for him to say during his interview, which i thought you handled well, that if he's working for them, he can keep getting it. how do you keep getting something that they're asking the fda to bar it?

it's imbecilic to even suggest that and i think the decades of robert kennedy in this era and other eras and in the height of covid when we had churches and other organizations taking care of people getting tested, they literally marched on black churches in harlem saying stop distributing these kind of medical attentions and these kinds of vaccines to people in our community. so no one has a confusion at all about robert kennedy, where he stands here. if you're going to take a stand -- many of us have that are controversial -- stand by it, but you can't have it both ways. up next, we'll turn to donald trump's plan for day one mass deportations and his vow to go as fares he can to make it happen, including using the united states military on american soil to help him. reaction from a retired u.s. major general right after a quick break.

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and i think this issue of using the military to go after american citizens is one of those things i think is a very, very bad thing. even to say it for political purposes to get elected i think is a very, very bad thing, let alone actually doing it. >> we're crossing that line, looks like we're actually doing it. it is the nightmare scenario, one in which the honorable men and women of the military, of our armed forces at the direction of their commander and chief start doing this, what trump has threatened to do, start going door to door seeking out the so-called trump- described "enemy within," training their sights on the very people they swore to protect. perhaps more likely, though, is a scenario in which donald trump uses a combination, a mishmash of any number of his

powers, the insurrection act, the alien enemies act, to deploy the military to round up noncitizens or at least folks he believes to be noncitizens. is that really so much more acceptable or permissible? beyond questions of practicality associated with the military becoming a domestic policing force on american soil like the fact that they're not trained to do that, there are questions of principle laid out by general randy manner this week on capitol hill. >> involving the military in a politically charged issue like mass deportation will erode public trust in the military. americans trust our military because it protects all of us regardless of our politics from the possibility of foreign aggression. when the military is tasked with carrying out domestic policies that may be controversial to some, it undermines the foundation of

that trust. that in turn will increase risk in morale, recruitment, retention, and readiness and all of these impacts carry serious consequences for our national security. gentlemen, for these reasons and ladies, for these reasons, i strongly encourage any future presidential administration to keep immigration enforcement and our military separate. >> joining our conversation is retired major general for the national guard randy manner. general, thank you so much for being here. trump has indicated that this is very much on the table and going to happen. your thoughts on what that will look like and feel like for the men and women of the military? >> well, as i said at the senate judiciary hearing on tuesday morning, this is really going to have a negative impact on our national security relative to their readiness of both our regular military units if they would be used as well

as the national guard. those people who have not served in the military may not understand that the national guard only has 39 total days per year to train for their combat missions and then secondarily and equally as important, of course, is to respond to homeland emergencies such as hurricane relief or forest fires or earthquakes and so on. so 39 days to do all of that, anything you take away from that will absolutely degrade their readiness of our national security. >> in the first trump presidency, there were men like general john kelly and secretary maddox around trump and his most aggressive immigration policy folks, people like stephen miller who pushed back. it's clear that trump plans to assemble a very different cast of people. where inside the military would

any resistance either from a readiness standpoint or a moral standpoint or cultural standpoint come from? >> the chairman of the joint chiefs is the adviser to the president on all matters of national security from the military perspective. so it would fall back to him to ride that advice and counsel. the president is the commander in chief of the military. so in the end, the president can make whatever call that he desires within the limits of law. unfortunately, we've already seen the supreme court say that there are fewer guardrails on the office of the president than existed in years past. so this is something where there is a chain of command and the principal person that would receive those directions and had, quite frankly, very pointed conversations would be chairman of the joint chiefs.

>> former chairman mark milley did something extraordinary in the first trump presidency. after being in lafayette square with donald trump he made a video for apologizing for being dragged into domestic politics and being seen at that event. it you just help us understand why it is such a line for the men and women of the military to cross, something that general kelly spoke about it as well in an interview a few days ahead of the november, why it is such a big deal and why it is so important to keep the men and women of the military out of domestic operations. >> again, people from every state and every community, every city, every town, every rural area have to understand that the united states military represents all of us. they come from all 50 states, the other territories and district of columbia. they come from liberal families. they come from conservative

families. they're male. they're female. they come from all religions from different parts of the country and come together in many cases not even having met people that are different from them in terms of where they may have been raised in their hometown or city or neighborhood. when they come together -- and this is very, very important -- the military takes them and replaces some of those ideas that they might have had that might have been biases for or against different people or peoples or ethnic groups or races and instead replaces them with concept of honor and respect of others and this is something that is fundamental to the military. the military supports all of us, not one particular political party or political viewpoint. the dilemma is that if indeed the military or national guard or military is used for

domestic operations other than disaster recovery or for assisting on the border quite, frankly, for security at the border -- that is a legitimate operation -- other than those kinds of things, it could obviously divide not only the military among those people who would support actively and privately, but the idea is that it would divide the military into those that think it's a great idea and those who, quite frankly, don't, let alone those people in the community who may feel likewise. when we come back, there is news today about the findings of a justice department watchdog report on the january 6th capitol riot. that report today undercuts a debunked conspiracy repeated millions of times by trump allies who continue to push the lie that january 6th was instigated by federal agents.

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a second long awaited report in less than a week from the justice department's inspector general found no evidence that the fbi deployed undercover agents to the u.s. capitol on january 6th. yet again this undercuts a many times repeated far right conspiracy theory that the january 6th insurrection was fueled by law enforcement. the inspector general determined there were 26 fbi informants, confidential human sources, in the crowd that day, but only three have been specifically tasked by the fbi to report on potential domestic terrorism activity. the rest decided to attend the riot on their own and no fbi informants were authorized by the bureau to enter the u.s. capitol. the report further corroborates fbi director christopher wray's past testimony. >> can you confirm that the fbi had that sort of engagement

with your own agents embedded went into the crowd on january 6th? >> if you are asking whether the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources and/or agents, the answer is emphatically not. >> is that no? >> no. >> no. not violence orchestrated by fbi sources or agents. >> joining our conversation, democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. he sits on the oversight and accountability committee and was the lead counsel on the first trump impeachment. i started the show yesterday saying i wish chris wray would stick around when i watched that clip. that's why i think if he could be there as long as humanly possible to knock down the nonsense, it would certainly aid the men and women of the fbi. your thoughts on that news first? >> i agree with you. i understand why chris wray, who is a dedicated nonpartisan law enforcement official and

has led the fbi exactly that way, would think that his political future, his future as a director, is a political football and is a distraction. so i understand why from his vantage point -- and i spent ten years in the doj -- he thinks that this is not good for the fbi. the problem is we're in donald trump world. it's a different world. we saw that with bob mueller who did the same thing and got completely political secured skewered by bill barr. so what we need by even for those who believe in our rule of law, believe in nonpartisanship, we need people to hold the guardrails of the rule of law and that's why i'm disappointed that he resigned is that he is somebody who would uphold the finest traditions of the fbi and the rule of law in the face of donald trump and if donald trump wants to fire him given that he hired him and already fired another fbi director,

then make him do that because then it is clear that donald trump is trying to sabotage the rule of law. by doing this now he is allowing donald trump the runway to execute his worst instincts and kash patel is the worst instinct of donald trump. >> say more. >> well, kash patel's only qualification for this job is retribution and revenge. you see these interviews where donald trump is asked are you going to direct your doj, your attorney general, are you going to direct your fbi director to do this or that and he said no. he already has. so kash patel goes in there with very openly supporting retribution and revenge and weaponizing the fbi. the one thing i will say about

that is it's dangerous just to politicize and use it as a weapon, but it will undermine the entire criminal justice system, not just those cases, but every other case will now be considered in the realm of is this political? is it not? is this to help donald trump's friends? is this to hurt his enemies? that undermines the fabric of our system of law and that is really what is so dangerous. >> as you're talking, i'm thinking democrats pick republicans to run the fbi and trump fires those republicans. what mueller and comey and wray have in common is they're all republicans that worked for republicans. i don't know who they voted for, but they're all at the seat of republican politicians, and the rampage trump has been on for nine years starting with the recusal of jeff sessions from the russia investigation or russia question has been all

about wanting loyalty. so i wonder to what degree you think there's a public appetite to understanding what a real assault on the rule of law in this country looks like after trump has so normalized it. >> i think that's a huge problem and it's clear as much as i and others tried to make this point before the election that the american people felt like that threat was too remote or more remote than the issues that are affecting them day to day and i understand that, but when we are now seeing the beginning of the implementation of project 2025, of donald trump's political weaponization of the entire federal government and it really started after january 6th, right? i mean yes, he undermined the russia investigation as he wanted, but it is no so personal for him that he's so upset mar-a-lago was searched,

a judge signed off on that search warrant with probable cause. for him to make these accusations it's unjustified, no probable cause, it's bogus, but it's all what he's trying to do to undermine these institutions of accountability. that's why he wants to go after journalists and the media. that's why he wants to go after law enforcement. that's why he wants to go after our intelligence and make sure that that could be used for his political benefit. that's why he's undermining our allies and sizing up toker sucking dictators. this is all about ways he can undermine accountability which is an early step -- i'm not sure it's the first step -- of authoritarian 101 because if we don't have a rule of law, if we don't have a system that people can depend on and trust and has credibility, then the ruler is

able to do whatever he wants and use whatever propaganda to make it seem like what he's doing is better than what our system of government would otherwise offer. >> trump was reluctantly held to account by a reluctant merrick garland. he at least outwardly facing seemed reluctant to open up any of the cases that ensnared michael cohen or look at volume two of the mueller investigation. those were dead for bill barr. they were dead when merrick garland gets in. it takes the appointment of jack smith to seemingly accelerate what was public facing the examination of trump's role in the inciting and insurrection and trump ran on his freedom. he ran on evading the rule of law anyone else in this country would be held to and he ran as someone who went on camera and said i hate flippers. i hate informants and went

ahead and pardoned manafort, flynn, roger stone. what is the tool available to us available to us as a country to make the rule of law a nonpartisan issue, to make not just his half of the country care about the rule of law again? >> well, that's our challenge and part of it is we have to recognize we are in a different era where the traditional department of justice philosophy, we don't comment. we don't speak but through indictments and through court filings, i think we need to have much more aggressive officials who will respond in the public sphere because donald trump owns the public sphere and he owns the microphone and if you don't have those people trying to hold him accountable and that is in part the media as well -- and i know you do it very well -- but it's a difficult situation, but if you don't have people who are pointing out everything that is wrong about what he's doing and the

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and i won on groceries, very simple word, groceries, like almost -- who uses the word? i started using the word the groceries. a vote for trump means your groceries will be cheaper. it will also bring your grocery bill way down. i have more complaints on groceries. when you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, the price of bacon, the price of lettuce, the price of

tomatoes, bacon, lettuce, tomatoes, oh, everything is so much higher than it ever was. we're going to bring those prices way down. because people can't afford their groceries and they're going to be affording their groceries very soon. >> on the topic of groceries which we should note includes items outside of the three ingredients of a blt, donald trump made promises you heard right there that he'd bring the price of groceries down. as you saw, he made the promise at the new york stock exchange, ironic that he did so in front of his "time magazine" cover because in those pages is a startling admission. "already the president-elect is moving the goalpost on some of his pledges like lowering the price of groceries." "it's hard to bring things down once they're up," trump says," you know, it's very hard." joining our conversation, special correspondent for bbc studios and msnbc contributor, this is this thing that everybody has said for five weeks, the price of eggs.

i believe and i understand the economic rage is the sentiment of the american voter, economic despair, but trump tacked into it without offering to solve it and now is admitting that he won't solve it at all. >> he tapped into it because it's out there and he won't solve it because he can't necessarily solve it. ask all of the other world leaders and political parties who have been swept out of office in elections around the world this year because of the prices of eggs. who knew people ate so many eggs? that sentiment is not just in the united states. it's everywhere. inflation has been everywhere since covid. it is the supply chain shock. it's actually come down a little bit more. it was worse in europe. it's come down a little bit more in europe because perhaps less money was pumped in europe than in the united states, but no, inflation has come down. that's not the same as prices and that was the riddle for the harris administration and for

the democrats. they kept going out there and saying inflation has come down. they were right, but that didn't mean prices have come down and people still remember what their grocery bills in supermarkets use to be and they're not that now. added to this problem is actually the fact that under a trump administration if he's to do some of the things he's proposing to do -- and we'll talk about those -- then actually it's possible inflation goes back up again rather than coming down further. >> katty, we're talking about tariffs as well. let me play that for you. here he is with kristen welker. >> you are now proposing tariffs against the united states' three biggest trading partners. economists of all stripes say that ultimately consumers pay the price of tariffs. >> i don't believe that. >> can you guarantee american families won't pay more? >> i can't guarantee anything. i can't guarantee tomorrow, but i can say that if you look at my just precovid, we had the greatest economy in the history of our country and i had a lot

of tariffs on a lot of different countries, but in particular china. i think tariffs are the most beautiful word. i think they're beautiful. it's going to make us rich. >> katty? >> the problem with protectionism is two can play the game, right? america can impose tariffs on canada, mexico, and china and a whole host of other countries. donald trump once suggested there will be blanket 10% tariffs on imports from every country in the world, higher from china even, but then those countries retaliated. they don't like having tariffs imposed on their goods and the only weapon they have is to impose tariffs on american goods, but not only do imports to the united states become more expensive, american exports become more expensive, so levi's, pork, beef, cars, things that america builds are more expensive to sell abroad and that makes it harder for people to sell them abroad which makes people poorer in this country at the same time

that the imports they may depend on are getting more expensive. america at the moment is a net importer of food for many, many years. most of its history america has been a net exporter of food. at the moment america is it a net importer of food. having tariffs on a country like mexico will really hurt people's grocery bills as well. >> say good-bye to your last bowl of guac from "the new york times." hours after trump's late november truth social posts threatening a new round of tariffs, mexico's president claudia sheinbaum responded, "for every tariff there will be a response in kind. just as a reminder to the incoming administration, two- thirds of vegetables and almost half of fruit and nut imports to the united states come from mexico and how many avocados? 90%. >> this is a real problem for trump's whole i'm going to bring prices down thesis, right? because deportation makes labor

more expensive, makes prices for farming for things that are farmed in america more expensive and then tariffs, if they enact -- if they ignite a trade war, which is certainly what president sheinbaum was saying there, will make everything more expensive, too. so he did enact some tariffs that did well and that the biden world actually kept going, but then he had some that really did crush armorers and he had to pay them. he had to give them tax incentives. i do think tariffs are really dangerous. also i think trump is, remember, on some level he wants to please people and he cares so much -- i mean again, he doesn't want to please that many people. he cares a lot about the dow and so if he starts doing things that are really inflationary and starts driving the dow down, that is going to be a sort of interesting moment for his presidency. this has been prime time

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