here and we love babies around here. and we have some exciting news to begin the week. we have a new member of our family. director josh haskins and his wife katie welcomed a new baby girl this week. her name is eddie and she is beautiful as you can see there. we hope the family has a wonderful holiday together this holiday season. that's all their kids. that does it for me today. we'll see you back here tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern. for now, stay right where you are because there's a lot more news coming up for you. on this new hour, he loves to win but many of his picks have losing record and that may all by design. >> we'll talk to a whistle blower about the reaction that followed the murder of the ceo of united health care. >> and a talk with the film makers behind a new benjamin

netanyahu documentary. the israeli government does not want the public to see. i'm ayman, let's do it. one way donald trump is consistent well for years he has been branding his enemies or critics losers and those who kiss the ring as winners. and yet for someone who's all about winning, there is a striking pattern emerging in many of trump's picks for positions in his cabinet and administration. we're seeing a whole lot of political losers. people who were defeated in elections in just about every way imaginable. let's start with republican senator marco rubio of florida or little marco which trump called him as he wiped the floor with him back in 2016. rubio may not enjoy a second act as trump's new secretary of state. then there's trump's pick for

director of national intelligence gabbert. the one time surrogate for bernie sanders who won the presidential nomination in 2020. don't forget rfk jr. who ran against trump in this year's election for an independent candidate but dropped out prior to the election. the vaccine activist is now trump's pick for the head of health and human services. trump has welcomed figures into the fold who have lost key races for the republican party. dr. oz to top the health care. mcmann the secretary of education. she lost two bids in 2010 and 2012. lori chavez dorimer she had already lost two times to bynum prior to that loss. it might seem a little odd for trump to be choosing so many

political losers until we remember who we're actually dealing with here. trump has repeatedly said that the biggest mistake of his first term was choosing the wrong people. in other words, people who would at times push back against his policies. aids would try to put up guardrail, outmaneuver trump. other times they would mount 11th hour campaigns to reverse them. let's remember in 2020 when trump wanted to send active duty troops to repond to mass protests. now some of the current aids and allies tell the associated press that trump is choosing people he believes are fully committed to his america first agenda and those he thinks can best execute it. with these picks for his new administration, trump is giving new political life to people who would not be able to get

into a presidential nomination or cabinet in many cases a complete lack of experience. he's seeking out people who need him. and as a result, will be entirely malleable and dependent to his will. all of this allows him to take everyone more control during his second time in the white house and an attempt to reshape the presidency as we know it. joining me now to discuss this are donna edwards of maryland and david jolly of florida. they are both msnbc political activists. donna i want to start with your overarching theme. filling up the ranks of his administration. what do you make of the profile of these people? >> what i see are a group of people who are first and foremost absolutely loyal to donald trump. some of them like marco rubio may have started out as critics and competitors. but have quickly fallen into

line. the other common thread that i see among these are almost to a one people who denied the 2020 election was won by joe biden. and who continue to ferment that lie and perception over the last four years. it really is for donald trump those were tests of loyalty and it's what he's commanding in his upcoming administration. and they are not going to be people who have too many other options. and so, serving at the pleasure of the president is what they're going to do. i think they're just going to fall in line with whatever it is that he chooses. >> david, let's hear in on marco raoub rubio for a second. a man who trump has dragged and

humiliated. now he's going to be a trump pick. and one of the most sane picks. >> we saw him have to publicly humiliate himself. and we saw donald trump the ever publicly humiliate him. so to serve as the head of state is something that marco rubio. he is a capstone for his career. i think it also reflects kind of what donna was referring to in the lead in. all of these people who donald trump have selected have either before tamed. publicly tamed by donald trump. marco rubio, rfk jr. all of

those people he public tamed and people who though they lost, they lost in doing his bidding already. they were out front in his own campaigns and service, actually trying to be a leader in the maga movement. which suggests this loyalty above all else. because we know donald trump does not like losers, or he doesn't like losing. but if you're a loser that is loyal, loyalty takes precedence. >> there's manipulation and control all in the name of loyalty. what does the end result actually look like? >> i think donald trump learned a lot in his first four years. he wants to make sure he does not have a cabinet of people who might defy him or challenge him. sort of do anything that, would

go against what he perceives as his personal interest. so, i think you have a group of people and it's shocking. it's not that presidents haven't chosen people who have lost elections before. look, hillary clinton, john kerry, others. pwaod buttigieg in the biden administration. donald trump's cabinet is going to be peppered, his administration peppered with people who are losers and loyalists. if any of them steps out of line, i think they know what the response will be from donald trump. and they're not going to step out of line. they are in lock step with the president-elect. >> david, let's look at trump's first term here for a moment. he had very little experience in washington. took him much longer for him to find his footing. now he's finding loyalty with these picks. do you think that will backfire and find unexpected resistance from some of these people. i mean, is there anyone, i

think of somebody like a marco rubio yes he's been tamed by donald trump. but the fact that he's more of an institutionist, came from the senate. if asked to do something illegal or break the law or something against the conviction of the u.s. and norms stand up to him. or are you not putting any weight to it. >> rubio has already had that test and he failed it. you can look at a pat bondi she had that test but failed it when she went to pennsylvania and said the 2020 election was stolen. what if she is asked if the j6 pardons deserve a pardon. what if she's asked if donald trump should have control who the department prosecutes. the seasoned nominee is a public rationalizing if donald trump is right.

maybe they will put them in a kavanaugh hearings show angst but fall in line. i think donald trump his second administration reflects his true ethos of trump. the one opportunity to stand up to donald trump is with the united states senators during these confirmation hearings. i think we're seeing the trend among republicans to once again fall in line. >> speaking of the confirmation process. coming out with something like a pete hegseth and some coming out like elon musk. do you have any confidence that the senate will do the right thing. that even if they end up confirming them. that a few of them will stand up and have some backbone and speak up to these positions? or no. >> i don't know. this is a cross your fingers moment. i don't have a lot of hope. what i did see though, i think that if donald trump and his

allies continue to bully senators, i could see how that might actually backfire against somebody like a merkowsky or collins in there. but they appear to be figuring out a way that they can say yes to donald trump on some of these nominees. not really sure about gabbert. not really sure about rfk jr., but i think hegseth and some others are probably going to go through because i think that republicans will believe that they have to give donald trump something. >> sorry, let me get your final thoughts on this david. your biggest concerns about this administration. these cabinet picks and the fact that these are not people who have proven to have public support. >> yeah, that it's kind of a social media cabinet of really unqualified inexperienced people. that starts with j.d. vance.

that starts with the pick for vice president. if you look at the department of defense, treasury and state perhaps, you know a couple of those we know are seasoned and steady hands but it's defense that's really worrisome. i think the national security posture of this administration is something that should worry the nation given how irrational and unpredictable donald trump is as a man and as a leader. >> we now have grenel for the special missions. i don't know what exactly that means. one can only take a guess. thank you to the both of you. greatly appreciate it. next up, congresswoman ramirez on the push for biden to act now on the temporary protection for migrants. everyone customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. customize and sa— (balloon doug pops & deflates) and then i wake up. and you have this dream every night? yeah, every night! hmm... i see.

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with just weeks until donald trump takes office, democratic lawmakers are urging

president biden to protect immigrants while he can. and expedite renewals for daca recipients. more than 1 million migrants are able to stay and work in this country legally due to tps since their countries of origin are deemed unsafe. they were first signed by president george w. bush. but trump has vowed to revoke those programs and send immigrants back to their countries. we have senator ramirez on the show. have you heard of any any movement. we know the biden administration may permanent a rule for asylum seekers. >> yeah, thank you for having me on. no we have not heard any concrete specific decisions on some of what we're asking for.

of course, we are calling the administration on a regular basis and making sure that they understand how urgent and important this is. and so, i am hopeful that those calls are being heard and they're assessing. but you know, people have been waiting months and years for decisions on their adjustment status. that backlog in some cases can be as far as seven years. this is a moment when the biden administration can extend many decisions on people's lives. this could mean a family gets to stay together or not before donald trump comes into office. so, we are working really closely, a number of us are going to do some follow up, some are back in dc this week. we expect to hear some positive news in extending the most protections as possible to as many people. >> how many people are we roughly talking about here and specifically, what does that do in terms of actual security for them staying in this country that, are they, are they

ironclad these measures that president-elect trump when he assumes office can't just simply redo them or undo them with the stroke of a pen. >> look, this man is a man that doesn't play by the rules. he's talking about on day one he will take people's citizenships from them. of course he can't do that. but he's stroking fear. i think the point we're making is, we can't make it easy for donald trump to come into the white house and begin these mass deportations of individuals who have been here with temporary protective status. daca recipients like my husband was or my brother-in-law is. we have to make sure we extend as many of those renewals because then it's on him to undo those renewals. versus something that's really easy. the renewal isn't up until february and all of a sudden, it is the program has stopped and you don't get a renewal. the point we're making is, if we go ahead and extend these productions now it is harder to

take them away. even if that means it's just a couple of months or two years. the point is that, people are in fear that the following day after the inauguration, they may not be able to go to work. they may be up for an order of deportation. and we know, these are people that have been here since the age of two, since the age of four. some like my uncle 35 years here. so we have to extend as much as we can. the president can do that, president biden can do a lot of those extensions now and make it hard for donald trump to do the things he wants to do with all his anti immigrant rhetoric. >> what kind of legacy do you think president biden you know will leave if he does not act on this issue. he ran it on his own, he ran his own campaign on the promise of a more humane immigration policy. do you think he has done so so far? >> look, he's tried to issue in a number of executive order -rs s that you have seen. the courts that trump stacked

up. we saw what happened in louisiana. we see what's happening with daca in texas. with that said, the president, president biden is going to be in that office for a few more weeks. i think it's really important for the american people to know that he is doing everything he can. every moment that he is awake, trying to make sure that he's extending these protections. despite the outcome of the election, he is still going to do everything he can while he has power to protect them. and that is going to be, dependent on what happens in the next few weeks. his legacy will be, he did everything he could for every moment he was in that white house to ensure that the most children, the most families are protected from a donald trump who doesn't respect u.s. citizens. he certainly doesn't believe that u.s. citizen children should be able stay with their parents. >> the man who is going to

serve as trump's border czar, is threatening the new york mayer if he doesn't cooperate. if donald trump doesn't do nothing, how are you and people in your district getting ready for these threats. >> it's one of those things, donald trump talks so much. i am not saying i want to take rights from women, i'm saying leave it to states. every single state in this moment should be doing everything they can to extend the most protections during their lame duck session. illinois has extended a number of protections for immigrants in the last seven years actually from the first time he was president. and so, i think that what we're going to have to be doing is having a coordinated approach between the state, the city, the counties in order to ensure that, the laws we have in place where we have jurisdiction, over what the federal government can do are in fact, enforced. know your rights to the many

immigrant families who right now are just concerned what's going to happen on january 20th. should i send my children to school on january 21st. how do we make sure if they're going to the white house for an appointment that they are not in fact, getting arrested. so, there will be a lot to be done. but i think one of those things we're asking ourselves is if saves own act, kind of legislation where you protect certain communities, certain spaces that are public, a service sector. if we're in fact, able to enforce those protections from deportation. since tom holman has decided to come to my district and talk about chicago being ground zero. >> all right congresswoman ramirez, thank you so much for your time. greatly appreciate it and we look forward to continuing to cover this story and follow it in the remaining years of the biden administration. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, absolutely. >> an executive turned whistle blower explains the anger many have against the health care system in this country. you do not want to miss it. wa

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the arrest of mangioni and charged with the murder of the death of bryan thompson. the murder and the man who allegedly committed it continue to spark a national conversation. for the first time in a very long time the deep seeded anger in america's for profit health care system is front and center. americans are taking to social media to share their health care horror stories. stories about being denied care or having their claims rejected. and media outlets are not only telling their stories but also highlighting some of their predatory practices of someover these industries. they lead the nation in denying claims at a rate of nearly double of the national average.

how united health care is strategically limiting access to critical treatment for kids with autism. united health initially declined to comment and then said they couldn't decline because they were in mourning and did not have time to deal with a nonurgent matter. it's not just united. there are new stories out about how insurancers gave bonuses to board members while they deny your claims. annual profits have jumped 230%. millions of americans have had their lives and livelihoods ruined by an industry that treat patients not like humans but profit. it's also leading to another phenomenon. just as a big part of this conversation, either the total indifference to the fact that a man was murdered or in some cases outright glee and celebration of the man alleged to have committed it like this

scene from a boston concert this weekend where a dj put mangioni's screen to the sounds of big cheers. it's important to put this all into perspective. the legitimate rage that people are sharing about the health insurance industry should not come as a surprise. the cold and inhuman reactions to the death of this ceo is a reflection of the cold and inhuman economic system that this ceo represents. at the same time, vigilantism and murder will not fix it. as a of fact it might just lead us to more acceptance of the disposability of human life. an individual taking matters into his own hands is also a reflection of the helplessness people feel to enact any meaningful change. we just had a multimillion dollars presidential campaign where neither candidate addressed that we have a sick health care system where profits increase as more coverage gets denied.

donald trump spent years trying to get rid of the affordable care act and now is surrounded by billionaires and multimillionaires who may not achieve the goal of privatizing medicare. the type of system that would take profit out of the equation and center it around patient care. so if someone is angry at the legalized corruption of the health care industry, where can they channel their anger? who is fighting on their behalf. what movement can they join. if any positive can come from this murder it is that one, this horrendous and sick system must be fixed and two, we must have legitimate outlets or movements or places to channel our anger at these cruel systems. and actually have them respond to us. we must have the ability to do something about it in a legal, nonviolent and democratic manner. we can be sure that the insurance industry will do everything in its power to

fight this. when we come back we're going to be joined by a man who knows their play book as well as anyone. a former health care insurance executive turned whistle blower. stay with us.

c1 before the break i spoke about the public outrage at the health insurance industry sparked by the murder of bryan

thompson. health insurance companies are all in all out crisis mode dealing with security concerns and the public relations relate fall out from the outcry over their business practices. joining me now someone who is very familiar with that pr play book. brandon potter, he has turned whistle blower and now the president of the center for health and democracy. it's great to have you on the show. this week, the new ceo of united health group andrew wittey released a piece titled, the health care is flawed, let's fix it. we understand people's frustrations with it. no one would design the system like the one we have and no one did. it's a patch work over the districts. what do you make of this moisture, they're taking acknowledging the anger of americans. and acknowledging the system doesn't work properly and making us believe that we want to make it better. >> it's a spin that i used to

write, yes you acknowledged there's a problem. what is obscure with that and these companies are masters at securing important truths. yes, no one would have designed this expect people like andrew wittey and other executives who profit so much and make much money and they spend massive, massive amounts of money every single year in campaign contributions and lobbying and their propaganda campaigns to protect this very profitable status quo. the murder took place just hours, well, just as this company was starting its investor day in new york. that is a day that is the most important day for these companies. because that's a day that executives like andrew wittey and bryan thompson who sadly was murdered that day, that's the day that they get to tell shareholders that wall street

financial analysts how they plan to make more money in the coming months. it's true, they did not design this system but they spent an extraordinary amounts of money to keep it there. they perpetrated violence every single day. an untold number of people die every year in this country. >> let's talk about the investor day and something you wrote which i thought was very interesting. this backlash to the insurance companies and that with the focus on the insurance companies may be overlooking the role of wall street in all of this. expand on that for us. what role does wall street have in the corruption if you will or maybe if for a lack of a better word, the malfunctioning of our health care system. >> if in 10 years my name was in earnings reports. every three months these companies put out their earnings reports. how much money they made during

the preceding three months. so i happen to know where these companies spent money and where it went. most of it goes into the pockets of these big shareholders. people don't understand the role wall street plays in our health care system. it plays an enormous role. these companies are, they bend their knees at wall street. because if these companies do not meet wall street's profit expectations, these shareholders will start selling their shares. in fact, over the past 10 days there's been a big sell off of united shares as well as the other companies because investors are beginning to see that this, this backlash may have some big consequences, so they see that they are vulnerable. but, the executives of these companies make sure that they deal with everything they can to meet wall street's profit expectations. they expect these investors for

these companies to spend less and less on patients care every single quarter. if they see there's evidence that they're not doing that. they'll punish them by selling shares of staff. they're paid primarily in stock. >> there are a lot of people who took notice when anthem blue cross blue shield announced it was not going ahead with a policy change that would limit reimbursements for anesthesia during surgery and medical procedures. when they first announced this policy it was met with outrage. i believe it was almost on the same day that bryan thompson or maybe the day after when he was killed. then around the time of that murder, do you think that insurance companies will be announcing more customer friendly policies as long as the public anger and attention is on them and how significant are these changes? are they just kind of cosmetic changes not addressing the

underlying issues. >> there will be things like this where other backs off of restricted policies like that which was just outrageous. and i think it's, thank goodness a lot of doctors started to speak up about. they certainly would have rolled it out to the rest of the health plans around the country if they could have. but i suspect that yeah we will see some public relations initiatives. some things they will be announcing they do because they want to try to send a message so they can self-regulate. they don't want policymakers to propose any kind of reforms that might hinder they profits. you will be hearing a lot. one of the jobs i had in my career was working with my peers across the agency like ahep and the blue shield blue

cross that we are the good guys. no need to take any actions because we've got this worked out. all these years prior to this they've been implementing policies and business practices that make it more and more difficult for people to get the care they need. and that they can afford. that includes refusing to pay for medically necessarily care increasingly. and to make us pay more and more out of our pockets through high deductibles and coinsurance and copayments that we've ever had before. so they are refusing to pay for medically necessarily care. and charging us more for premiums every single year paying out of our pockets until that insurance kicks in. >> is there a way to reform it to something that puts health and patients first. and b can that be done without

any kind of legislation or political action by congress? it's not just going to happen by the good will if you will of these corporations. >> it's possible. because keep in mind until the mid-90s most of the health insurance companys in this country operate on a nonprofit basis. most of us got our coverage through nonprofit blue cross plans. many of those beginning in 1996 began to convert to for profit status and big companies like the ones that i work for humana and sigma. united health care came in and began gobbling up dozens and dozens of health insurance companies many that were regional to become the biggest health insurance company in the country. not only is it the biggest health insurance company it's the fourth biggest company in america. only amazon, wal-mart, and apple are bigger than united. it's grown that much that

rapidly. yes, we can go back. i think we can go back to a time but, and it will require our employers also speaking up and forcing changes. and wall street may play a role because i think wall street may decide this is not a good place to make money. maybe these insurance companies could spend their health insurance operations off into nonprofit operations. >> all right, wendell potter. good to see you. thanks so much for your insights and look forward to having many more conversations about this. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. the new documentary the israeli government does not want its people to see. i'll be speaking to the film makers behind the bebe files. t♪ ♪♪ ♪ yeah... i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin yeah that's all me. ♪ ♪♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪

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walk away from controversy. in fact, he won an award for a corruption scandal. died in american custody. the signtology and the prison of belief complete with full page advertisements against it in the new york times and the los angeles times. then last year, he was approached with over 1,000 hours of leaked interrogation footage of benjamin netanyahu and his family as well as his associates and benefactors. that became the basis of his new film the bb files. director alexis bloom says streaming platforms found the documentary too controversial to broadcast. the israeli government blocked the film from being shown in the country siting privacy laws but israelis are finding ways

around it by sending clips on social media or watching pirated portions of the film. it's great to have both of you with us. i will start with you. source contacted you and handed over all this damming footage of benjamin netanyahu and his associates. when you received this footage did you knoll know exactly what you wanted to do with it. how did the investigator reporter you worked with this react when you approached him with this? >> well, i needed to know i get these calls a lot where someone approaches me on signal and says i have some secret stuff you should really be interested. when i heard about this from the source. i took a look at the material and it sounded explosive but i don't speak hebrew. so i got in touch with a well respected investigative journalist. he confirmed this stuff was

extremely important and explosive and shed a new light on netanyahu and the way he was conducting both domestic and foreign policies. so once i understood that how important it was and i'm something of a student of corruption and this is a corruption case, i thought i really need to make a film about this. the first person i turned to was alexis bloom who has been a colleague of mine over the years and is a very talented documentarian and said please alexis take this on board and let's move forward. >> did you ever anticipate how controversially and heavily censored a film like this would be. what was your reaction as well when alex reached out to you and said this is a movie about the current prime minister of israel and taking him on or taking that subject matter on would pose a set of challenges that are some what unprecedented given we think of

israel as a democracy with an open society and open presidency, now they're censoring this movie. >> it's a very sensitive subject. it shows benjamin netanyahu in a very frank and candid light and it's better than any sit down interview you will get with him. so there was no hesitation on my part. the film hasn't been censored in israel to be clear. there is a preexisting privacy law that applies to all police interrogations not just this. that you can't show them without the permission of the people in the spweur tkpwaeugss. so i n terrogations. it's not just our film it's all police investigation material. that said, obviously, sarah, benjamin and yaya netanyahu were never going to give permission for us to broadcast this in israel. and so, it seems, inevitable that all of this piracy has

gone on. because there seems to be a real desire to see it in israel. >> what is the take away from the film alex for the people who haven't seen this and will soon. when you look at the through line and as you said you've worked on a lot of corruption cases. what is the take away that these files reveal to you and would reveal to the ordinary viewer. >> i think first of all it pierces the perception of netanyahu and his wife and son. who by the way all exerted a tremendous amount of influence on governance in israel. and reveals corruption that in itself is potent. but then netanyahu attempt to elude any legal reckoning from this corruption is what leads us to the situation we're in now. where, gaza has become kind of

a killing field because netanyahu wants to perpetuate a war endlessly so that he can stay out of prison. and remain in power which in its own way is the ultimate form of corruption. so it starts with bribes and ends up with a devastating corruption that has a tremendous human cost. >> of course we've been talking about the opening front in syria as well. alexis you suggested leaning to other platforms for distribution which lended you guys at jolt. talk to us a little bit about the challenges that you have had in getting this film distributed. what i have previous distribution companies. >> there's very few places that would lean too it the way alex

and jigsaw did. people tend to center. there's no one at the door saying, it's the police. you can't say this. or you can't say that, because of the political climate people choose not to say things. and we found that many streamers didn't everyone want to watch the film. there was a streaming system that said, let me talk about it. maybe, we can put it on maybe next year. which is as good as saying no. because clearly this is a film that's timely and it's got to go out as soon as possible. so, i would say there's self- censorship and i don't think it's going to get better. >> >> alex as i said you worked with many documentaries. what's particularly startling about the push back regarding this film. do you think this film might help with holding netanyahu

accountable. >> i hope that this film helps with holding netanyahu accountable. he should be held to account. i think for a long time he's wrapped himself in the mantle of state hood. as long as there's a war going on, you dare not criticize me. and i think, people need to separate between the man who is deeply corrupt and the state of israel. because unless we do that, we're all on the road to pre predicion. >> i encourage everybody to watch this very important film the bb files. thank you so much for making it. thank you so much. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you for watching us. make sure to catch ayman back here on saturday and sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. listen to every episode of ayman as a podcast. just scan the qr code there you see on your screen to get the

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