students according to this press conference. the age of these kids does that impact the ability to conduct the investigation? these are the eyewitnesses presumptively of what happened here. >> well, it does. you as a prosecutor know we probably will not have a prosecutable case here. we have a deceased killer. he probably acted alone. so, could possibly the parents be charged? we don't know any of that if that will happen. i don't think it is that critical. and enough evidence at the scene to have to interview kids. it goes through 12th grade. ervw kids. it goes through 12th grade. as always, sharing your insight in this tragedy.gh i appreciate it. and that does it for me. the reedout with joy reid is up next.

tonight on "the reid out". >> what do you know about these manned suv drones flying over new fljersey, is it an alien invasion. >> i think it's very inlike that an alien invasion would begin -- >> watch your mouth. we live there. >> i know. >> secretary igieg having fun with the wild drone conspiracy theories. but conspiracies are deeply engrained in the american bloodstream and the incoming president is surrounded by conspiracy theorists. also tonight, the right's glorification of daniel penny and atpeople like him.m. putting a homeless man into a choke anhold until he was dead. school shooting survivor and anti-ivgun activist, david hogg dlaunches his bid for dnc vice chair. on the same day that there was yet another school mass shooting in america.

david hogg joins me tonight. and we begin tonight with the drone mystery on the eastern sea board. now, for those of you who do not live on the east coast, i'm talking about the nearly daily drone sightings over the past ng month. first spotted in new jersey on november 18th.in they appear to show up in the ealate hours of the night, rsalthough there's still a lot don't know about them, like if they're present every single night. and it is precisely the what we don't know that is driving interest in them and demands that the federal government provide answers.t new york governor kathy hochul announced that the federal government is sending high-tech drone detection resources. new jersey governor phil murphy has also asked the white house for more alfederal resources to investigate the sightings. former maryland governor larry hogan posted what about he saw over his house. although students of astronomy were quick to point out most of what t he filmed is the

constellation o'ryan. the biden administration provided some insight. sthe government agencies investigating the sighting, fbi and department of homeland security say they have no ndevidence at that time that th reported drone sightings pose a national security or public safety threat or have a foreign nexus. but since fothey've been unableo say where these objects came from or what they're doing, the people who decided they know exactly what's happening have filled the void. like noted conspiracy theorist marjorie taylor greene, who flat out said the government is in control of the drones and refuses to tell the american people what's going on. of course there's no evidence to suggest that whatsoever, but she has plenty of company in maga world believing that all the way up to atthe highest levels. trump ally steve bannon suggested the same thing at a new york young republican's club oempbt the weekend.oe last week donald trump called for the drones to be shot down and suggested the government knows more than it's telling. a claim he made again today at a

press conference. >> the government knows what is happening. look, our military knows where they took off from. our military knows and our president knows. and for some reason they want to keep people in suspense. i can't imagine it's the enemy because if it was the enemy tham blasted -- even if they were late, they would blast it. something strange is going on. for some reason they don't want to tell the people. they should. >> turns out tonight the government believes the sightings rnto include a combination of lawful commercial drones, hobbyist drones and law enforcement drones. as well as manned aircraft, helicopters and stars mistakenly reported as drones. but, now is the perfect time to remind you that america is one of the most conspiracy theory prone countries in the world. it's sort of in our dna.r it's been part of our culture all the way back to the salem

witch trials and only intensified with modern technology. like on the eve of aloe wean in 1938 when orson wells went on the radio and inadvertently started a panic. >> special bulletin from president of new jersey. it is reported that the 8:50 p.m.po a huge flaming object believed to be a meteor unite fell on a farm in grover's mill new jersey, 22 miles from trenton. >> that was orson wells radio edition of the war of the worlde those who didn't hear the beginning thought martians really had invaded new jersey.nv but that event spawned a cottage industry of alien invasion, movies and television shows and isthe propensity toward mass hysteria tyonly intensified wit the threat of boog byman of communism and the red scare after american cities began putting fluoride in amthe drinkg water in the 1940s, the far right john birch society opposed on the ground it was a mass

medical astreatment, part of a communist plot. of course the granddaddy of them all from modern america, the assassination of president john f. kennedy. the only assassination captured on film followed by a slew. years later, watergate came along and brought with it the end t of american snens, a taci admission that american politicians sometimes really were liars and crooks.ia in the 1990s, one of my favorite ever tv shows the "x files" became a cultural touch stone telling america simply the truth is icout there. add the rise of right wing media and particularly right wing talk radio where rush limbaugh pushed political conspiraciries and led to glen beck and alex jones who also happen to be key purveyors of some of the most rampant conspiracy theories about president barack obama. it was glen beck who wondered aloud whether fema under president obama was setting up

concentration camps for conservatives, you know, just asking questions. in 2015, alex jones turned fear mongering about martial law claiming that it was a plan to eradicate local militants. jones helped stir up enough fear about it that texas governor greg abbott actually had the texas state guard monitor the military training.th and then, of course, there was the president obama conspiracy to end all conspiracies, birtherism, the racist idea that obama was not born in the united states.un pushed by nonother than, donald trump. >> why doesn't he show his birth certificate? you know what, i wish he would. i think it's a terrible pail hanging over him. he may have one -- maybe religion, maybe it says he's a muslim, i don't know.do >> that's not on birth certificates. since trump took his apprentice

brand on politics by pedaling conspiracy theories it's no surprise we're back it to. after all, trump's idea that he won the 2020 election is its own elaborate conspiracy theory. but this time around, the incoming administration has a slew of conspiracy theorists on the team. why have a government that tries to keep people rational when you can have a secretary of health and human services that thinks the chemicals in the water can turn kids gay or director of national intelligence orwho this there are secret u.s. bio labs in ukraine developing weapons or fbi director who said supportive things about qanon. but that's where we are. the question now is how we confront a world where america ldis run by them. joining me now is msnbc political analyst and former congressman david jolly.re and president and ceo of media matters. thank you both for being here.or anglo, i want to start with you. our wonderful producers looked this up. which conspiracy theories think did not act alone, barack obama

not born in the united states.a a third the same number that's essentially the republican party. a third.y voting machines were programmed to change the votes in 2020. look at this. definitely true 29%. probably true 20. so a third of americans believe that. t vaccines have been shown to cause autism. t a quarter of americans believe that. the u.s. government is using ovcovid vaccine to micro chip t population a fifth believe that. and the 1969 moon landing didn't happen, 18% believe that. that is the kind of society we're in, anglo., what does it mean, particularly from a media point of view, that's what you follow and w study, the people now who are going to run the government believe conspiracy theories and push them as well? >> it's like getting gasoline to the fire.ti one of the things that trump did in '16, again in '20 and really just became fully operationalized in 2024 and now it's part and parcel with the entire republican party is that they built caan organized powern

what used to be considered the african nls. one of the ways you do that is you pluck ideas and narratives from the fringes. turn them into a story -- validate by giving them air time and oxygen and legitimacy. a national figure campaigning and organizing around it.ai once you're in positions of power, you start to then take actions or use official mechanisms to then stamp those as legitimate. that's how you get something -- there's whacky things like birds on wheel and that kind of stuff that are rising. but then you get examples playing out in realtime.g you go from the great replacement theory, a really racist, fringe idea deb kads ago, jews were importing people o,to delute the white populatio and entrench themselves with political power. that was relegated to the fringes. when you get people now in positions of power on their rise ofup taking it, value dagt it, organizing it, talking eighty, now it's just -- now that's

standard republican party ca orthodoxy. what does it mean? everything gets worse because their no longer using an r alternative reality to win th news cycle day to day. you're taking that alternative reality and many cases the nightmare scenario and using your power and positions of power in government to make owia reality even though it's totally disconnected from fact. that's the part that's so disturbing about this. it's about to get worse.ut >> and they're going to operationalize and they'll be able ioto because they have all three branchs of government completely under retheir contro. to the point anglo just made, this idea of great replacement theory reis literally refuted b the fact that 55% of hispanic men voted for trump. biden, who bri the way, trump was president for the four years leading up to en2020. so who was letting in the 3 million supposed undocumented immigrants who secretly voted grfor biden? because biden wasn't president. trump was. like, merest fact pattern breaks these conspiracy theories. now because so many republicans believe it and so many people in

the base of the republican party believe it, we'll have mass deportations so those people can feel better about things. right? the idea that people think that there's a conspiracy to turn boys into girls, all of these things people generally -- policy attached to it. to me, that seems frightening. to say nothing of the anti-vaxers who have a white house on their side, which could mean the rest of us, rest of our kids, you have little kids, could lose access to mandatory vaccines uland have to go to ki with schools who might have measles. ig>> yeah, joy. conspiracy is often the currency of the modern ofrepublican partr and i think this is where the danger erlies kind of in where are culturally. if you take some of the big ones you mentioned in the read out and take the jfk assassination and 9/11 attacks, there was a warren commission to investigate the jfk assassination that the government commissioned. there was a 9/11 commission and in each of those cases you had the segovernment acting in good

faith to kind of dispel many of the conspiracies and rumors and whether or not they were accepted or otnot, government leaders stood on a message regardless onof party to make se that the facts were represented. for history's sake but also in the con temporary times. that all changed with the rise of the modern republican party. you can go to -- from birtherism to accusations of socialism, to vaccine denialism, to j6, donald trump and republican leaders use conspiracy to foment the vision and tto kind of fuel their ris to l power.r and i think that's where the real danger lies. and i think we also have to lean in to how are they platforming this? yes, it's glen beck. yes, it's conservative media.t' yes, it's podcasts, whatever. it is fox news. the evolution of fox news in the utlast 20 years that stokes the conspiracy theories and gives platforms to these conspiracy theories, that's the real , danger. i said last week ati think the greatest challenge for democrats is not their own candidates and

not republican candidates. it's fox news. i don't say that to just take hits at fox news. it seems gratuitous.it as we do the autopsy report on the last election, examine these conspiracy theories that fuel the rise of thed republican party, fox news bears so much responsibility for this. >> and it's so lucrative. they do it because it makes money. they had to pay out $787 million to dominion voting because they fuelled the conspiracy theory that the election was stolen and that ctled in part to an insurrection in rtour capitol.on people literally broke the law and smashed into the capitol because they deeply believe that the election was being stolen, anglo. there are real world consequences here, including to fox, but their shareholders paid that. it didn't hurt them personally, right? alex jones became an multimillionaire pushing things like the sandy hook conspiracy and 9/1 conspiracies. those things couldn't exist if people had a fundamental trust in the government. sometimes the government does lie. george w. bush administration did lie to get us into a

government. look at trusting government. you can see the dips. look how it's declined, anglo. it has really declined. iraq war did it. the vietnam war, the lies there. there are reasons to sometimes distrust the government, right? but now we're going to have a government where the incoming represident was found by "the washington post" to have lied, three, 4,000 times. now he's in charge of the whole apparatus. >> yeah. i e mean, this is the part that find threally disturbing. one, it's really profitable. two, they have taken down the safeguards. david noted this before. this has always been a part of america. we had these conspiracies. what was different in the past they wweren't connected. you sthad all these disconnecte conspiracyists that had small t audiences. technology and social media has connected otherwise disconnected audiences. it's supercharged these ideas. s

it's found individuals likely to be freseptember i have to it a pushed esit directly to those. and the affect of that is not oonly to spread it but make it extremely profitable. when that chinese spy balloon went across america a while ago, the a right wing media was sellg kits like crazy after that. not only did they have an dincentive to push it for political reasons but really intense financial reasons to do it. now we're living in an environment over the last year and you have seen this play out in the lead-up to trump coming into office you attack the social media platforms and neuter them. not only are they not only enforcing the existing rules they had, but they're enabling the proliferation of these conspiracies by eliminating a whole bunch of safeguards that were there in the first place to sort of slow down the spread of these lies in the first place.li >> and indeed. also, david, essentially calling fact checking defamation. and saying that you can't fact a check. that was one of the yobig fight during the debates, the presidential and vice presidential debates. no one must fact check us.

ex-twitter allowing funnels of disinformation, the waves and well, readers can fact check it. there don't need to be any fact checks. it wasn't 3 or 4,000 times, david. it was 30,000 plus times that trump lied during his four years first time in office. we now are going to have this coming in. halet me give you a brief list things that some brhis people believe. rfk jr. claimed that covid was engineered to spare jews and chinese people according to "the new york times." per cnn, rfk jr. chemicals in the water are making our children gay. kash patel previously expressed admiration for followers of qanon. vivek ramaswamy proveeted january 6th conspiracy theories suggesting it was a inside job. truth about 9/11 is still unknown. elon musk pedalled debunked 2020 election ebconspiracies while oncampaigning for trump and jus

today donald trump questioned whether the vaccines we give our kids to make sure that they don't die of rubella and mumps ndand measles may be causing autism. that's our incoming administration, david. and their blue ribbon commissioners. >> yeah.h. joy, look, trump and republicans k,are pedaling this toxic combination of bad faith and ignorance. to your point throughout history, there are times government has lied, misrepresented the truth.mi george w. bush sending colin powell to the u.n. to say there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq is a good example.q there are times when the government acted in good faith to protect the people. the 9/11 commission remained classified for a very long time because the government got things cawrong in the report an just declassified that report, there would have been false information on the streets.ls so it's not that the government is always trying to mislead the american people. sometimes politicians lie. sometimes the government gets it wrong. a lot gomeof times they get it right. what we have seen with trumpism

is it's mirrored testify lugs of the republican party, a party that used to be for less government than with the rise of the sstea party turned into a party of no government. and with trumpism it turned into government is the enemy.th what donald trump knows as long as there's an enemy, he can be the safe yor. he positions government as a predator, as a liar, as somebody iato distrust, then whether it' vaccines, whether it's questions of war, whether it's questions of policy or the biden crime family, if he can convince republicans that the government has lied to them, and they have a reason to see the government tas an enemy, and the governme as a predator, then donald trump is the savior. and he's pulled it off. he's pulled it off. he's going back to the white house on that type of platform and this is a moment where i think a the fatigue of those wh resisted trumpism is real and people saying do i just throw in aythe towel, you can't because history is written by the y winners. but only if the truth tellers fall silent. and i think this is the moment where those who d know the trut and see the truth remain

vigilant and say to donald trump and his movement, no, you're wrong and you're lying to the american people.am >> amen. donald trump won 49% of the 63% of the eligible voters who bothered to tvote. that is not even half the country, which is a common media meme. no, ma'am and no, sir.no half the country doesn't vote. four out of ten americans don't even participate. but of the o6 3% who bothered down from 2020, trump won just under half of them. that is not a mandate to turn america into a one-man autocracy. but he's going to act like it is. and that idea is also a conspiracy theory one should not believe in and we should fight to keep america as a democracy for all of us, not just for donald utrump's amusement. that's my free advice to those of you who still care about democracy. lldavid jolly, anglo, two men w clearly do care about democracy. thank you both very much. coming up, maga's embrace of

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the army/navy football game is one of the highlights of the college football season. saturday's game was 125th meeting of the military rivals that dates back to 1890. you had two diverse teams on the field representing two branchs of our military. with the most diversity among active duty personnel.

defense secretary lloyd austin, retired army four star general and the first african-american secretary of defense in u.s. history was in attendance and participated on the field with the customary coin toss. and up in a suite, looking down on all of them, was donald trump. and his more homogeneous team of advisers and allies, including his embattled pick to take over the d.o.d., pete hegseth. army national guard veteran who is more widely known as one of the fox weekend anchors who spent the last seven years sitting on a couch. perhaps this pic should not be all that surprising given that trump himself never served in the military. but once claimed he felt like a very brave soldier for surviving what he called his personal vietnam, which was avoiding contracting stds during his single years in the late 1990s. also not surprising is who else was in that suite, the latest celeb on the right, daniel penny, he was acquitted last week in new york in the subway choke hold death of jordan

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last night the new york young republican club held its annual gala which included remarks from a number of trump maga speakers like steve bannon, dan scavino and cory lewandowski. newly elected texas congressman brandon gill also spoke and he had this to say about the choking death of jordan neely, a homeless black man with mental illness. >> it's great to be here all the way from north texas. there we go in the home in new york of the great patriot daniel

penny. i don't know about y'all, but i think we need a lot more daniel pennies in this country. because we have far too many jordan neely's. >> did you notice him smirking after making those comments? joining me now the reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network and host of politics nation and max rose, army veteran and senior advisers to vote vets. bernie gates love for me. this man was duly acquitted. daniel penny. and so he had his day in court. he was acquitted. i think that is fair to say. but the idea of celebrating a tragedy that resulted in a man being dead, choked his last moments being on the floor of a subway, that's someone's son. that's someone's family member. that's someone's beloved family member. the idea that the right is now

turning this into the greatest thing -- the greatest act of heroism they've ever seen and want to give him the congressional gold medal and this guy, who apparently is susa's sonl, maybe says a lot, lauding him and smirking at the death. your thoughts. >> it is amazing to me that you would have someone that choked to death an unarmed man who had mental problems and act as though he's some kind of hero. the clear message is that you are now giving legitimacy to vigilanteism, and it could make others feel that they can take the law into their own hand. the jury spoke. you have to accept the verdict of the jury. but to make a folk hero or a political star out of someone that killed an unarmed man, who

didn't physically assault anybody, who didn't threaten anybody. he was acting unruly. he might have been something that made people uncomfortable. but to kill him and then to honor this person that did this choke hold, that caused the death and bring him to the president-elect's box at the army/navy game, a president that was president when george floyd happened, breonna taylor happened, aubry happened. he never said a word of comfort to the families of the victims there. but he'll make this guy, whose only claim to fame is that he choked to death an unarmed man with mental issues. it ought to be insult to all americans. if the race was the other way around, would the reaction be the same? i think donald trump is clearly sending a racial signal here. and i think a lot of those that have fell in line are

comfortable with that. that's frightening. >> and how do you feel about that, max rose, as a military veteran yourself, the idea of him being celebrated at this historic football game that goes back to 1890, this tradition. and the republicans in that box making this day about him and to rev's point, the only reason anyone knows who he is that he choked out a homeless man. and they are now saying he was the star of that day. >> sure. sure. well, look, rev is completely right. you know, politicians at all levels, but particularly the president of the united states or the president-elect, have a unique power to shine a light on movements, theories and, of course, people. and when president-elect trump was at the army/navy game in the center of attention, he had truly an unprecedented moment, at least in the context of the year, to honor living veterans, to honor so many heroes amongst

us who have shown incredible bravery and courage in iraq, afghanistan, and conflicts throughout the world. and instead of that, he chose to honor this vigilante who didn't call the police when he was feeling in danger, but instead decided to choke out and kill an unarmed mentally ill man. that is the last person that we should be establishing as a hero. it is a total disgrace and it's a wasted moment for the president-elect to actually honor our men and women in uniform, which should be uniting us rather than dividing us. >> and what do you think of the fact that in that box, i mean, are a man, donald trump, who according to his former chief of staff, general kelly, disparaged military veterans as losers and suckers, despite general kelly's own son having fallen in battle.

didn't understand why anyone would serve in the military, according to his former chief of staff, general kelly. and did not respect military service, according to his former chief of staff, according to his former joint chiefs of staff chair is a fascist, according to mark milley. and someone who also beside him is the person that he would like to replace lloyd austin a four-star general, but who himself said it's a marxist plot having gay troops in the military that women shouldn't serve in combat. he tried to roll back those comments. >> sure. >> what do you make of the people in that box? >> yeah. let's just look at hegseth, right who i think is uniquely offensive to men and women in uniform, to those who he is attempting to lead as the secretary defense because his entire claim is that diversity is what is threatening the military. when, in fact, it's exactly the opposite. all you have in combat is the man and woman to the left of

you, the man and woman to the right of you and your sense of unity and cohesiveness and trust amongst each other and any effort to embolden diversity, only strengths that fighting capability. you know, hegseth says that the president are culture warriors that don't care about war fighting, but in fact, that's who he is because we have never seen a candidate or nominee for the secretary of defense who has ignored traditional military affairs more than him. he wants to talk about women in combat. he wants to talk about diversity. he wants to talk about everything except actually strengthening our military and uniting our nation and that is why every senator should be opposing him as a nominee for secretary of defense. >> yeah, rev, i look at that box and see a very uniform set of men, including jd vance who i will never forget as long as i lived called our sitting vice president the trash. who called women who don't bear children essentially useless to

society and they should have no rights. and men who have shown no respect for women, including pete hegseth, no respect for people of color, who just don't -- and the people on the field are what is one of our most diverse entities, the military. where anyone can make rank and become someone like lloyd austin. it's the opposite of the values. and they are now going to take over and this is a right-wing, rev, that is essentially said that the value of your life depends on how rich you are. they're appalled and should be, that this ceo of unitedhealthcare was killed on the streets in cold blood but they think that daniel penny is batman the guy they worship, donald trump -- donald trump is like bruce wayne's dad, you know. he's not a champion of the little man. he's not a champion of little guy. he's thomas wayne. >> and he showed it in this outing yesterday at the

army/navy game. he showed that he has no shame at all in trying to stand up for a homeless man with mental problems who's black. having some kind of breakdown on the train. no one is saying let's get the police. look at the tape. no one said let's get the cops. they are sitting there while this man is being choked to death. and you have to ask yourself, is that not a purposeful signal -- this is the same donald trump that claimed black men were going to vote for him. but look at what he did to a homeless black man, what penny did to a homeless black man with mental problems. we also have a problem of mental illness in this country. is this how we're going to deal with them? we're going to demonize them and make heroes out of those that would clearly try and take their lives and ultimately did. so, there's one thing in the

courtroom. it's another thing in the whole public opinion of this country in terms of the populous. is this how we're going to deal with the mentally ill. is this how we're going to deal with homeless blacks. i think it's a signal that we need to be clear on. when you look at, as you said, this man that he has nominated or proposing to be the secretary of defense, who has clearly shown a real hostility toward diversity, when he himself, if he is confirmed, is the biggest example of white affirmative action, not qualified, never ran anything, and he's going to be over 3 million people and jd vance is the one that invites him to be honored at this -- in this box? jd vance, who aside from what you said, joy, jd vance accused black haitians of eating the pets of people in the city in ohio when he was a senator.

>> i won't forget that either. >> he sees us as animals and less than human. >> what a world we're in. and it is probably the most frightening and chilling thing i ever a politician say that we need more daniel pennies. what are you suggesting, sir? what are you suggesting ordinary people do in public when they see somebody who is poor and black, what are you suggesting? reverend al sharpton and former congressman and veteran max rose. thank you both very much. and max, thank you for your service. coming up next, after this year's election losses, there's an argument to made that the democratic party is in need of new leadership. david hogg is aiming to do just that by running for dnc vice chair. and he joins me next. for dnc vie chair. and he joins me next may i? (laughs) laser measured floorliners protect carpet in the front and second row. cargo liner protects the rear. the side window deflector offers more protection.

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noom. the smart way to lose weight. this morning, parents in madison, wisconsin, received the notification that all parents fear, that their child's school was under attack by an active shooter. tonight three people are dead, including the shooter and seven more are injured after the shooting at a private christian school. police say the shooter was a teenager and attended the school. in america, gun violence an epidemic with approximately 3 million of our children exposed it to every year. firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens in the united states. david hogg survived the 2018

shooting in parkland, florida, which left 17 people dead. hogg and his classmates founded the gun safety group march for our lives which helped pass more than 250 gun safety laws. hogg went on to found leaders we deserve a group focussed on elect t young people to local and public office and today he announced he is running for vice chair of the democratic national committee. he says he's frustrated that the democratic party has become increasingly a party of sycophants who lost focus on issues that matter to the majority of americans. and david hogg joins me now. always good to see you, david. i want to give you an opportunity to comment on this shooting today. >> yeah. unfortunately this is not unfamiliar to our country, but i think it speaks to the need for us to get our act together as a country, to elect morally just leaders that do take action on gun violence. what i would remind people watching of is the fact that after parkland m people said to us that change was not going to be possible.

that this is florida. nothing changes here. this is a republican state. and we went out there as young people and did change it. not just for ourselves but with our teachers, with parents from our school. we raised the age to buy a gun to 21 and passed a red flag law that's been used over 19,000 times to disarm people that are at risk to themselves and others. but that doesn't matter when this still happens every single day. and these parents and these students will know this pain for the rest of their life. and what i would say to them is to make sure you are just around each other in community and know that unfortunately you're not alone. >> yeah. unfortunately. and probably there will be more and more and more of this going forward. i want to talk about your race to be dnc vice chair. i think you and i agree, i suspect that one of the biggest problems with the democratic party and you saw it play out in this campaign, there are a small set of consultants who get very rich off campaigns, do very well for themselves financially but they don't actually necessarily win. and they aren't really penalized for it. they get to do another election

and another election and another election and they keep coming back, making money, and they don't actually change things. your thoughts. >> absolutely. i think that is a huge part of the problem that we have is we have developed a system within our party where oftentimes it's the same consultants getting hired over and over again with the right type of messages to voters concerned about rising crime or what they perceive to be rising crime or rising costs is to talk about statistics and show them grass instead of actually addressing the feelings head on. joy, i know the stats as somebody who advocates against gun violence. we know that gun violence has gone down by double digits. that's great. but obviously today shows how we have not made nearly enough progress on that and possible to hold both at the same time and acknowledge people's feeling and not say to them, you should feel safe because gun violence has gone down x percent. we need to meet people where they're at and have a conversation with tlem in the first place and make sure we're

not just surrounding ourselves and our party with a group of consultants who only tell us what we want to hear instead of what we need to hear. when ever i interact with young people who are not always a completely united group, especially after this election in the past, even if there are disagreements, i work to engage with them and ask them, what can we do to make sure as a generation, we are not repeating the same divisions that came before us to build a stronger democratic party and that's part of the reason i'm running to be vice chair, build up that experience and make sure we're not just surrounding ourselves with those who tell us what we want to hear and tell us when we have a problem with young men, the answer is not to tell young people, hey, we don't. it's fine. so they can keep their consulting job. it's so say, well wlarks can we do about that and get to work. >> there's also a thing in the democratic party, very hierarchical. it's so and so's term. we just saw aoc lose a race inside the democratic party hierarchy to gary conley, a fine congressman. but she would have been a different voice on oversight, a

younger voice a voice that has more connections to social media and to younger people. what is it about the democratic party they don't want to pass the torch, it seems. >> you know, i think the fact of the matter is that people get caught up in their own ways. i think a lot of people frankly we need generational diversity in our party. we talk about racial diversity and that's super important, gender diversity, but we need age diversity as well in our party especially when we cannot win without our young people. joy, when i talked publicly about my fears about young voter, i got messages from consultants within the party, people over the age of 45 telling me, here you go saying this dumb stuff again. you don't need to worry about this. this is not a problem. then we saw 21 point shift to the right when i was at the national institute for the biden harris campaign at the dnc, i said what are we doing about young men? the amount of comments i got

back about why would you ask this question, such a dumb thing to be asking and see what happened, told me that the only other option i have is to run for this. and because i'm not here just to criticize. i'm here to build. >> there you go. amen. david hogg, i hope you win. i will openly root for you in this race. good luck, my friend. much appreciated. >> thank you. go to davidfordnc.com. justice ketanji brown jackson's historic debut. do not go anywhere. this is pretty great. not go ane this is pretty great

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